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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 10, 2021 21:11:43 GMT
I am in agreement with extending the unemployment in certain situations. But, like the eviction moratorium and other types of assistance, I wish there was a better way to assess who truly needs it. IMO, if they have been offered their jobs back, the unemployment stops. That is what I thought was happening but it apparently is not. I don't have faith in our government to figure out what those "certain Situations" are. I agree with you though. OK, if you don't want to do your job anymore, then you need to be finding another one. And people home after having a baby shouldn't be getting paid unemployment! they would be home anyway, like you said. I don't think it would be that hard for the employer to just let the unemployment agency know that the person was offered their job back and if they don't take it, they lose their unemployment. When unemployment numbers are not that high right now, I don't know why this can't happen. I could see if it was way higher and there weren't enough employees to cover this, but it could just be a simple check mark on a website that the employer fills out. My understanding from the podcast was that they weren't doing this because people were given the option of "not feeling safe" because of the pandemic, which I think is BS in most circumstances.
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Post by fuji on Aug 10, 2021 21:14:03 GMT
I must not understand how unemployment benefits work. I thought they ended as soon as your employer called you back to work or after you proved you couldn't find a job?? How are people still getting the extra money?
DS did receive the $300/wk when his employer had to close during COVID. However, that ended the week he went back to work. It was immediate, which kind of sucked because his hours had been greatly reduced and there were very few tips. But he was grateful to be called to work and never considered not going back.
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Post by Merge on Aug 10, 2021 21:23:10 GMT
how do you explain the help wanted signs in ever single place of business? before covid you could barely find a job. now a business can barely find an employee. so, yes, i think some people are staying home until benefits stop. The extra benefits have gone away here in Texas, right? So the extended benefits aren't there any more, there are still too many crappy low-wage jobs going unfilled. How do you think people are staying home until the benefits stop? Haven't they stopped now? To answer the OP: One factor in Texas and a lot of other places is the loss of immigrant workers, some undocumented, some with undocumented friends and families, who went back to their home countries during the Trump administration's reign of terror. Many restaurant jobs were filled by people like them. That's been an issue since 2017. More have chosen to go back home due to Covid. Another factor is that lots of parents didn't let their kids go out and work retail/restaurant as they normally might in the summer. I didn't let either of mine work in a public place like that and won't until this is better under control. Lots of people have chosen to try out gig economy jobs. More and more, we're seeing a mismatch between the workers looking for work and the types of jobs available. If you're a single mom who previously made 40,000 as an AR clerk, but that job is gone and all you can find is $12/hr part time restaurant work, you're wasting your time. You'll still be homeless and have no food on the table in a couple of months because you can't pay your bills on that. And finally, employers themselves have to bear some of the blame for why they have trouble filling jobs. If you're offering $15/hr but you expect the employee to be fine with unpredictable schedule and hours, you're making it impossible for many people to work for you. Childcare expects set hours and a set payment every week. If you the employer want to protect your bottom line by giving your employees 40 hours a week during up times, but cutting shifts back to 15-20 hours per week when things are slow, people are going to look for another job because their bills and responsibilities don't change like that from week to week. The retail and fast food sectors are terrible about this, BTW - and look who's struggling for employees right now. Are there people sitting at home right now who could be working if they really wanted to? Sure. There always are. But we as a society have to look at how we've made it impossible for people to work and have any kind of life (I'm not talking about social life - I'm talking about being able to take care of your kids, your elderly mother, whatever). Our society loves to say, "If you don't like the work conditions, find a better job." But we don't mean it. What we mean is, "If you don't like the work conditions, that sucks, but we expect you to keep working at it anyway because the economy needs you and your corporate employer needs you to make money for them, and dangit I don't want to wait more than two minutes for my Big Mac."
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Post by ntsf on Aug 10, 2021 21:24:22 GMT
here, many relied on school based childcare. there was an article this week about most childcare school centers are not coming back or are greatly reduced. parents are in a panic about going to work as there is no where to get care for their kid. school schedules have changed, and there is not the pre school care needed. many childcare places for younger kids have closed and are not reopening.
it is all very worrying.
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Post by peasapie on Aug 10, 2021 21:24:23 GMT
People don’t want to pay childcare, have refinanced lower rates, got money from PPP, free rent. etc. I think many are taking stock of what they want to do next. It has changed lives.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2021 21:25:47 GMT
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2021 21:27:59 GMT
I know in my area childcare places lowered their capacity and hiked up rates. Even if parents could afford it there was often not space. I'm sure for many minimum wage workers it no longer made financial sense to work and pay for childcare. Yes, I get that one. If you make minimum wage, and then get 2/3rds of that, plus the 300$, plus NOT have to pay for daycare, that makes sense in not going back to work.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 10, 2021 21:29:41 GMT
As others have said, I think it's a number of factors. Some states didn't accept the bonus or ended it early, but those states still have labor shortages. Definitely more complicated and involved than people just being lazy and collecting unemployment. 1. Since there is a labor shortage, people can be choosier about their jobs. Not just wages but also benefits, hours, how they're treated etc. I think many people have considered their options and found a different job or different career. I think this is a big reason why the retail, hotel and restaurant industry appears to suffer the worst labor shortages. 2. There are about 1 million moms who have not returned to work - childcare reasons, change in lifestyle, maybe they're waiting for school to return in person in the fall or they decided to keep kids home and homeschool. 3. For many of the available jobs, it's not that the jobs can't be filled. The jobs can't be filled at the wages the company is paying. Offer a bonus, increase wages and some of these help wanted signs will go away. Not all, but some. 4. Because of Covid, many seasonal workers from other countries are not here. time.com/6076710/restaurants-labor-shortage/A recent survey by One Fair Wage, which advocates to end subminimum wages for tipped workers, found that 53% of all restaurant workers are considering leaving their job, with 76% citing low wages and tips as the reason. What’s more, the survey found that harassment increased and tips decreased during the pandemic—and that the decline was exacerbated when workers enforced COVID-19 safety protocols on customers. Top five reasons restaurant workers are considering leaving the industry The chart shows why restaurant workers are considering leaving the industry. 76% say it's due to low wages and tips. 55% say it's due to concerns about COVID-19 safety. 39% cite hostility and harassment from customers. 31% say they are transitioning to a different industry. And 26% cite hostility and harassment from coworkers and/or managers. Based on responses from 2,838 food service workers employed at the time of the survey, which was conducted from October 20, 2020 to May 1, 2021. 53% of respondents reported considering leaving the industry. Chart: Emily Barone Source: One Fair Wage One thing is for certain: the hiring dynamic has switched to favoring employees, allowing many workers to reassess their worth, ambitions and personal priorities. “After a long time of declining labor power, and now because of the additional payments and rapid rise in hiring, the labor force actually has more options,” says Tayur. “People are getting more careful about how they treat their labor. It’s now a precious commodity.”
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Post by pilcas on Aug 10, 2021 21:30:38 GMT
Parents with school aged kids suddenly had them at home doing virtual school. Or maybe grandma took them after school and couldn't risk it. Some parents are choosing to keep kid in virtual school or maybe they don't have the choice. But it's summer? and what did they do with their kids before? during the summer? I totally get it about the Grandma not wanting to watch them though! In summer, at least in my area there were tons of day camps where working parents sent their kids. Those disappeared too during the worst of COVID.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2021 21:30:39 GMT
I don't think it would be that hard for the employer to just let the unemployment agency know that the person was offered their job back and if they don't take it, they lose their unemployment. When unemployment numbers are not that high right now, I don't know why this can't happen. I could see if it was way higher and there weren't enough employees to cover this, but it could just be a simple check mark on a website that the employer fills out. My understanding from the podcast was that they weren't doing this because people were given the option of "not feeling safe" because of the pandemic, which I think is BS in most circumstances. HAAAAAAAAAA. There is no way they have the staff or time to do that. That is why people are signing up for 100s of jobs, and no showing. Do you think they are checking on those?
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 10, 2021 21:32:15 GMT
how do you explain the help wanted signs in ever single place of business? before covid you could barely find a job. now a business can barely find an employee. so, yes, i think some people are staying home until benefits stop. I only know what's going on at my job, anecdotally, but yes, there are people who have not returned because they are making more by staying home. One said she'd come back if we paid her under the table so she could keep collecting. so, while I don't think that's every case - it is where I work. Wow just wow. Yes let’s help you commit fraud snd also be guilty if it.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2021 21:34:45 GMT
I think I would be making more or about the same if I was getting unemployment with the $300 extra right now. At least when considering the salary from my primary job. We might also qualify for other assistance like food stamps and insurance. You make minimum wage? I would think with your dh and you working you would not qulify for food stamps or insurance. We have a friend who barely makes more then minimum wage, and she doesn't qualify for them. Nor did she make more on unemploymnet plus the 300$
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2021 21:37:20 GMT
3. For many of the available jobs, it's not that the jobs can't be filled. The jobs can't be filled at the wages the company is paying. Offer a bonus, increase wages and some of these help wanted signs will go away. Not all, but some. Yes! You know exactly what restaurants in our town pay well, and who don't by the help wanted postings.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2021 21:39:52 GMT
In summer, at least in my area there were tons of day camps where working parents sent their kids. Those disappeared too during the worst of COVID. I'm not talking about last yr. I'm talking about right now. All the camps in our area are open.
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Post by melanell on Aug 10, 2021 21:44:47 GMT
I think it's everything tincin mentioned, plus (at least in my area), a real downturn in the number of teens working. During COVID I knew parents who had their kids stop working. And this summer, I know a lot of families who, after not doing much of anything last year, decided to take bigger or more frequent family trips this year, and their older teens of working ages went with them. Some of them were gone off and on all summer, while others went for a few weeks at a clip. So here we're seeing a lot of seasonal spots open that used to be held by teens & early 20s. For instance, lifeguards have been a problem. Several local pools have been open on a much reduced schedule or are not open at all due to a lack of lifeguards. Likewise, local amusement parks, ice cream shops, etc. have been running reduced hours, having less attractions available, etc. And at the opposite end of the story, I know some nearly retirement age people who were out of work during part of the COVID situation, and decided not to go back. People who were sure they couldn't possibly retire for 5 more years, or 3 more years, etc., who suddenly found themselves feeling differently. In our state, there was a lot of delay in getting people their unemployment payments. We have friends who went the entire lock-down period without a single check. They were back to work and still fighting to get the back checks owed to them. For some people in similar situations, they realized that they didn't need to continue working for as long as they thought that they did after all. And so they didn't go back.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 10, 2021 21:52:31 GMT
Economists are definitely mixed on if the unemployment bonus is contributing to the labor shortage. We may not know for a few more months. www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/07/17/will-cutting-unemployment-benefits-in-america-ease-labour-shortagesWill cutting unemployment benefits in America ease labour shortages? The evidence so far is muddy, and points to at most a small effect As america reopens for business, labour shortages continue to worsen. Firms are advertising over 9m vacancies, the highest on record. Bosses complain they are unable to find people to serve drinks, staff tills or drive trucks. So in an attempt to eliminate the shortages, half of states are ending a $300 weekly top-up to unemployment insurance (ui), in place since January, as well as other pandemic-related ui programmes. Is this change having the desired effect? It depends whom you ask. On June 27th the Wall Street Journal ran an article on Missouri, a state that abolished the supplement on June 12th, claiming that people were flying off the unemployment rolls. The very same day the New York Times ran an article also on Missouri, which drew almost exactly the opposite conclusion. The reality is somewhere in between these polarised extremes.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 10, 2021 21:54:31 GMT
When grandma died they lost their babysitter. So a death was a contributing factor to a mom not going back to work. People are having to help and/or take care of long Covid family members, young and old. Another factor where death or illness contributed to unemployed.. Lots to consider..
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 10, 2021 21:57:09 GMT
I think it's everything tincin mentioned, plus (at least in my area), a real downturn in the number of teens working. During COVID I knew parents who had their kids stop working. And this summer, I know a lot of families who, after not doing much of anything last year, decided to take bigger or more frequent family trips this year, and their older teens of working ages went with them. Some of them were gone off and on all summer, while others went for a few weeks at a clip. So here we're seeing a lot of seasonal spots open that used to be held by teens & early 20s. For instance, lifeguards have been a problem. Several local pools have been open on a much reduced schedule or are not open at all due to a lack of lifeguards. Likewise, local amusement parks, ice cream shops, etc. have been running reduced hours, having less attractions available, etc. And at the opposite end of the story, I know some nearly retirement age people who were out of work during part of the COVID situation, and decided not to go back. People who were sure they couldn't possibly retire for 5 more years, or 3 more years, etc., who suddenly found themselves feeling differently. In our state, there was a lot of delay in getting people their unemployment payments. We have friends who went the entire lock-down period without a single check. They were back to work and still fighting to get the back checks owed to them. For some people in similar situations, they realized that they didn't need to continue working for as long as they thought that they did after all. And so they didn't go back. Also in resort areas many would come to the US from assorted foreign countries. For a summer of work and fun! Thousands came every years..
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Post by melanell on Aug 10, 2021 22:02:25 GMT
I think it's everything tincin mentioned, plus (at least in my area), a real downturn in the number of teens working. During COVID I knew parents who had their kids stop working. And this summer, I know a lot of families who, after not doing much of anything last year, decided to take bigger or more frequent family trips this year, and their older teens of working ages went with them. Some of them were gone off and on all summer, while others went for a few weeks at a clip. So here we're seeing a lot of seasonal spots open that used to be held by teens & early 20s. For instance, lifeguards have been a problem. Several local pools have been open on a much reduced schedule or are not open at all due to a lack of lifeguards. Likewise, local amusement parks, ice cream shops, etc. have been running reduced hours, having less attractions available, etc. And at the opposite end of the story, I know some nearly retirement age people who were out of work during part of the COVID situation, and decided not to go back. People who were sure they couldn't possibly retire for 5 more years, or 3 more years, etc., who suddenly found themselves feeling differently. In our state, there was a lot of delay in getting people their unemployment payments. We have friends who went the entire lock-down period without a single check. They were back to work and still fighting to get the back checks owed to them. For some people in similar situations, they realized that they didn't need to continue working for as long as they thought that they did after all. And so they didn't go back. Also in resort areas many would come to the US from assorted foreign countries. For a summer of work and fun! Thousands came every years.. So true! Places like Disney bring in many employees from other countries, and as a kid we always noted how many young people came from European countries to work in the beach towns where we vacationed each summer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 22:08:40 GMT
They mention Ann Arbor Public Schools and closing their child care program. I work in Ann Arbor and know of a few coworkers who are really struggling to figure out affordable child care.
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Post by peabay on Aug 10, 2021 22:15:39 GMT
I only know what's going on at my job, anecdotally, but yes, there are people who have not returned because they are making more by staying home. One said she'd come back if we paid her under the table so she could keep collecting. so, while I don't think that's every case - it is where I work. lordy!! but do you guys get paid higher then minimum wage? pay her under the table, plus the 300$, yea, she's a real joy! it's way higher than minimum wage. They make 50.00 an hour.
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Post by papersilly on Aug 10, 2021 22:16:17 GMT
i know someone whose last job was part time. she left because her mom got ill and yet somehow qualified for unemployment. her unemployment is $57.00 but she gets that extra $300 per week. she just moved into a $2 million house where they did a 100k remodel before moving in. she's very open about her life and that's why we know these specific numbers.
we recently had dinner with this person. you could tell two of the women in our group were visibly uneasy hearing about how much she gets in unemployment while they were busting their butts at work. this person uses her unemployment to pay for a personal trainer and misc items. her husband earns more than enough money.
is it fair? probably not. is she eligible? technically, yes. so why does she collect it? because she can. is she going to suffer when the unemployment ends? not one bit. is she going back to work? no.
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Post by melissa on Aug 10, 2021 22:18:06 GMT
This is a question I have. My friend was telling me that a major hospital here where his wife works is losing nurses left and right because they are overworked. But where are they going? Wouldn't they be over-worked wherever they go given the current situation? I guess unless they leave the hospital setting altogether. I also read articles about people leaving their jobs because they are burned out. Did they just make that much money that they no longer need to work? How are they paying their bills? I just don't get it. Nurses who aren’t leaving the hospital setting are going to per diem jobs and travel nursing where they take limited length contracts.
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 10, 2021 22:18:06 GMT
It's a lot of things. Lack if childcare. Moved on to other jobs after they were laid off. 600K have died and many have long haul covid and can't work. But really, it's not just one thing. Has child care changed? I mean, if you had child care before, don't you have it now? Out of those 600,000 that died, how many were actually working? A lot of COVID deaths were elderly, I would bet over 50%? My nanny quit when COVID started. The schools went online and stopped having after-school childcare. The college students who often did after-school care no longer were on campus. Campus daycares closed. And people who relied on au pair services had trouble securing au pairs. So, yeah. Childcare has been a complete cluster. I have not had child care in almost 18 months.
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Post by maryland on Aug 10, 2021 22:18:46 GMT
Has child care changed? I mean, if you had child care before, don't you have it now? Out of those 600,000 that died, how many were actually working? A lot of COVID deaths were elderly, I would bet over 50%? Parents with school aged kids suddenly had them at home doing virtual school. Or maybe grandma took them after school and couldn't risk it. Some parents are choosing to keep kid in virtual school or maybe they don't have the choice. That's a good point. We know of a few families where the grandfather watched their kids while they worked (after being vaccinated).
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Post by mikewozowski on Aug 10, 2021 22:21:54 GMT
some info on nursing.
my daughter works at a top hospital in my area. they have more patients than they have EVER had, a lot are RSV patients. they do not have enough nurses to care for this many people. they are offering an extra 30 dollars per hour for those who can take extra shifts. extra shifts also put you into overtime.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 10, 2021 22:22:14 GMT
i know someone whose last job was part time. she left because her mom got ill and yet somehow qualified for unemployment. her unemployment is $57.00 but she gets that extra $300 per week. she just moved into a $2 million house where they did a 100k remodel before moving in. she's very open about her life and that's why we know these specific numbers. we recently had dinner with this person. you could tell two of the women in our group were visibly uneasy hearing about how much she gets in unemployment while they were busting their butts at work. this person uses her unemployment to pay for a personal trainer and misc items. her husband earns more than enough money. is it fair? probably not. is she eligible? technically, yes. so why does she collect it? because she can. is she going to suffer when the unemployment ends? not one bit. is she going back to work? no. I thought they had to physically be looking for a job to qualify. I know in the beginning you didn’t but thought that changed in June. I really hate when people take advantage of stuff like this. Would much rather see people that really need it get more and not people doing stuff like this even if she technically qualifies. Of course I keep thinking my grandkids are going to be paying for this.
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Post by DEX on Aug 10, 2021 22:29:53 GMT
I think it's everything tincin mentioned, plus (at least in my area), a real downturn in the number of teens working. During COVID I knew parents who had their kids stop working. And this summer, I know a lot of families who, after not doing much of anything last year, decided to take bigger or more frequent family trips this year, and their older teens of working ages went with them. Some of them were gone off and on all summer, while others went for a few weeks at a clip. So here we're seeing a lot of seasonal spots open that used to be held by teens & early 20s. For instance, lifeguards have been a problem. Several local pools have been open on a much reduced schedule or are not open at all due to a lack of lifeguards. Likewise, local amusement parks, ice cream shops, etc. have been running reduced hours, having less attractions available, etc. And at the opposite end of the story, I know some nearly retirement age people who were out of work during part of the COVID situation, and decided not to go back. People who were sure they couldn't possibly retire for 5 more years, or 3 more years, etc., who suddenly found themselves feeling differently. In our state, there was a lot of delay in getting people their unemployment payments. We have friends who went the entire lock-down period without a single check. They were back to work and still fighting to get the back checks owed to them. For some people in similar situations, they realized that they didn't need to continue working for as long as they thought that they did after all. And so they didn't go back. Also in resort areas many would come to the US from assorted foreign countries. For a summer of work and fun! Thousands came every years.. Some of that is due to Covid restrictions but also our twice impeached former president made it much harder for people to come to the US for work.
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Post by sabrinae on Aug 10, 2021 22:32:41 GMT
It's a lot of things. Lack if childcare. Moved on to other jobs after they were laid off. 600K have died and many have long haul covid and can't work. But really, it's not just one thing. Has child care changed? I mean, if you had child care before, don't you have it now? Out of those 600,000 that died, how many were actually working? A lot of COVID deaths were elderly, I would bet over 50%? Lots of child care has reduced capacity in an effort to implement some distancing and safety measures. Many of the people who provided child care were mothers themselves or provided it on their homes and have decided not to take that risk with a pandemic.
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Post by papersilly on Aug 10, 2021 22:35:49 GMT
i know someone whose last job was part time. she left because her mom got ill and yet somehow qualified for unemployment. her unemployment is $57.00 but she gets that extra $300 per week. she just moved into a $2 million house where they did a 100k remodel before moving in. she's very open about her life and that's why we know these specific numbers. we recently had dinner with this person. you could tell two of the women in our group were visibly uneasy hearing about how much she gets in unemployment while they were busting their butts at work. this person uses her unemployment to pay for a personal trainer and misc items. her husband earns more than enough money. is it fair? probably not. is she eligible? technically, yes. so why does she collect it? because she can. is she going to suffer when the unemployment ends? not one bit. is she going back to work? no. I thought they had to physically be looking for a job to qualify. I know in the beginning you didn’t but thought that changed in June. I really hate when people take advantage of stuff like this. Would much rather see people that really need it get more and not people doing stuff like this even if she technically qualifies. Of course I keep thinking my grandkids are going to be paying for this. she said if you just scan the want ads online, that qualifies as "looking" for a job. one of the women disturbed by this said that the extra $300 should be going to working people who earn minimum wage. this would help bump up their income. i agree with that. i'd rather incentivize working than not working.
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