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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 10, 2021 22:37:29 GMT
And I know places are short staffed, I believe that, so where are the people? did they just get better jobs? move? what happened? haven't read the thread yet, but this puzzles me, too. A week or so ago, one of our local grocery stores didn't have enough employees to keep more than two 'regulars' checkout lines open, and I've seen fast food restaurants that had to close their lobbies due to a lack of workers. They USED to have more checkers, and the fast food restaurants USED to have an open lobby (even after the covid lockdowns ended) so what happened?? Off to read...
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Post by scrapbookwriter on Aug 10, 2021 22:42:20 GMT
Re childcare:
A dear friend has been running a successful home daycare for 15 years. Her roster was always full, with a waiting list of families who wanted to use her.
The requirements for childcare have changed as a result of the pandemic. The state sent her notice of the required changes. She had to cut the number of children she cares for in half (which of course cut her income in half). Had to replace all her carpeting with hard flooring. Had to install a temperature regulator on every sink so that no matter which handle was turned on, the water came out at the perfect temperature to kill virus/germs/disease. And some other stuff. Altogether the changes to her home would cost nearly $40,000, paid for while earning half her previous income. She decided this would be a good time to retire.
So yes, I can understand why childcare would be an issue in our pandemic world.
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Post by Jamie on Aug 10, 2021 22:56:44 GMT
In my case my nieces dad brings home more on UI. He refuses to work a real job and worked only 3 hrs a day. Be interesting to see what he’ll do when the UI is gone. Oh wait, that’s right. He’ll just go back to expecting FIL to support his family
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2021 23:03:18 GMT
I thought they had to physically be looking for a job to qualify. I know in the beginning you didn’t but thought that changed in June. I really hate when people take advantage of stuff like this. Would much rather see people that really need it get more and not people doing stuff like this even if she technically qualifies. Of course I keep thinking my grandkids are going to be paying for this. That's why employers are getting 100 people applying for a job, and 5 showing up. All they have to show is they they applied. Doesn't mean they showed up, and who's checking?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 10, 2021 23:06:50 GMT
Do you know how sick I am of hearing this? "why should people work? they are getting 300$ more a wk, they make more on unemployment and the bonus then working". First...I don't know anyone that isn't working and collecting unemployment? do you guys? and why? and 2- are people that arn't working and getting paid under minimum wage, oR minimum wage really making money getting that 300$? because I don't think that's true.
Thoughts? are you guys of sick of this as I am? am I unrealistic? out of touch?
And I know places are short staffed, I believe that, so where are the people? did they just get better jobs? move? what happened?
Just unintelligent, republican rhetoric. Funny thing is, many, many republicans are getting unemployment. They are hypocrites.
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Post by johnnysmom on Aug 10, 2021 23:13:09 GMT
If you were making $20/hr (which is really good money in my neck of the woods…..not career money, but far higher than any restaurant, store, hospitality place pays) then you’re better off by $28/wk. Thats before you factor in childcare, gas, lunch money, etc not to mention stress and other emotional factors.
I don’t know how common it is but I can see some people milking it for as long as possible. If I had to guess I’d say lack of childcare options is the biggest factor, but that’s totally a guess.
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Post by bianca42 on Aug 10, 2021 23:13:38 GMT
It's a lot of things. Lack if childcare. Moved on to other jobs after they were laid off. 600K have died and many have long haul covid and can't work. But really, it's not just one thing. Has child care changed? I mean, if you had child care before, don't you have it now? Out of those 600,000 that died, how many were actually working? A lot of COVID deaths were elderly, I would bet over 50%? You used to be able to send a hid to daycare with a runny nose or a cough and now you can't. If you were laid off and pulled your kid from daycare, you've lost your spot and need to find a new one. Maybe your parents/elderly relative watched your kids and they died of covid or decided it's not worth the risk to be around young unvaxxed kids.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Aug 10, 2021 23:14:20 GMT
how do you explain the help wanted signs in ever single place of business? before covid you could barely find a job. now a business can barely find an employee. so, yes, i think some people are staying home until benefits stop. Just because a place of business advertises that it is hiring, doesn't mean it is offering a liveable wage. Or sustainable hours. Many retailers are offering *up to* $15 an hour here. You go through online application, maybe get a call for an interview (if the store is actually looking for employees, and not just collecting possible future employee data to call back when needed)... ...Let's say you did get the interview, are hired, but are only offered $9 instead of that $15 an hour. Okay, well, not great, but you're trying. Then you're given a schedule. A joke of a schedule. They will keep you under full time if it kills them, to avoid letting you stray into benefits territory. And heck, you might only get ten hours one week, twenty the next, you never really know with retail shift work. And they expect open availability. Days, nights, weekends, holidays. Need to make doctor appointments or just have a life? Well, too bad, because you will not have a reliable schedule to plan around. And if you do get a day off, you will be called and asked to come in due to short staffing. (So don't answer your phone if you value your sanity) But then the boss will dog you to other employees for not being part of the family, part of the team, and coming in to help. But when you are working, you will always be overworked, because while the employer is keeping everyone part time to avoid benefits, they still want the same results and therefore profits as if they had a full time crew. So, I don't think the majority of people are just rolling in that sweet, sweet unemployment $300+. I think people are just trying to find a sustainable way to live. Maybe bouncing around from job to job. Maybe going to school. Maybe taking some time off and living with family to try to figure it all out.
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 10, 2021 23:57:33 GMT
So, I was unemployed for over a year and I did make about 40.00 more a week on unemployment , but I was incredibly fortunate I didn’t have to pay for my health insurance. If I had not had health insurance I would have had to find a job that offered that, but I honestly can’t imagine what that would have been and it sure of hell would have been something that paid less then my UE. I went back to work the second we were allowed to reopen, happily.
I work in a pre-K that is classified as a child care and let me tell you our new restrictions are crazy. We have to cut the number of kids we can serve in half and as others have said there are all sorts of expensive mods we have to make. Because most of our employees are part time I am sure they make a lot more with 300 bonus. It is impossible to find staff right now and we have had to shut down 2 weeks of of the 7 we have been open. It is a nightmare for parents. I am sure some parents aren’t going to work because of the uncertainty and unpredictability of having child care.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 11, 2021 0:29:21 GMT
It's a lot of things. Lack if childcare. Moved on to other jobs after they were laid off. 600K have died and many have long haul covid and can't work. But really, it's not just one thing. Has child care changed? I mean, if you had child care before, don't you have it now? Out of those 600,000 that died, how many were actually working? A lot of COVID deaths were elderly, I would bet over 50%? during the school year, many parents rely on the schools for daycare. If they have a school aged kid, the hybrid or at home learning lowered availability
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Post by magellen on Aug 11, 2021 0:34:36 GMT
Most of the jobs posted are for part time work and a lot of the places schedule so you can’t take another job. Why apply for a part time job when you make more on unemployment?
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Post by natscraps on Aug 11, 2021 0:40:50 GMT
I run a preschool that’s considered a child care. In my area there is a labor shortage in teachers and child care. It took me five months to find a new teacher for the upcoming school year. I talked with quite a few other directors in the area and they were having a really hard time finding staff as well. If you don’t have staff to meet ratios then you can’t enroll as many kids. Our child cares were able to go back to mostly pre-pandemic rules. Luckily our state opened up a lot of the federal money they received to provide grants for child cares.
Our fast food restaurants have yet to open lobbies and the drive thrus are very limited hours because there just aren’t enough employees. We drove out of state to visit bil and sil and it’s the first time i stepped foot in a fast food joint 1.5 years. DS 6 was all confused because we could go in to use the bathroom and order our food instead of waiting in the really long drive thru line.
Stores that used to be open 9am- 10pm are now only open 12pm-7pm. In our town alone we had 4 - 24hr grocery stores/superstores. All 4 of them are now 8am-10pm. We warned bil and sil about how different things are here and when they came home to visit the following month they were shocked.
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Post by merry27 on Aug 11, 2021 0:41:39 GMT
That extra $300 a week was not accepted by every state. Our dickhead Governor refused it in Oklahoma, so the extra $300 that the unemployed received here ended in May. Also, unemployment is never equal to what a person made while on the job. When I was laid off last year, my unemployment was just below HALF of my salary. Without that "bonus" money I wouldn't have been able to pay all my bills every month. So the people that are saying that the unemployed are milking it and just want to lay on the couch can suck it. Because even with the bonus it's still not a livable wage. Exactly!! I have people here telling me that they made MORE then minimum wage..like 25$ an hr, were laid off, so they got paid 2/3's of their reg paycheck, plus the 300$ bonus, and were making MORE money then working. And I'm stupid if I don't believe that. In my state, you can get up to $325 per week in unemployment plus the extra $600 a week they were doing for awhile (it was cut to $300 at the beginning of summer). I know lots of people who were making $900 per week which is more than they were making before the pandemic. So, it’s possible.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 11, 2021 1:41:44 GMT
In my state, you can get up to $325 per week in unemployment plus the extra $600 a week they were doing for awhile (it was cut to $300 at the beginning of summer). I know lots of people who were making $900 per week which is more than they were making before the pandemic. So, it’s possible. Yea, but that was way back in the beginning. It's not now. I sort of feel that the employers are to blame. NOT the people who are sick and tired of getting paid low wages, and shitty benefits, and getting taken advantage of.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 11, 2021 2:12:01 GMT
Here are a few quotes from an article on the nursing shortage www.npr.org/2021/08/10/1026577164/hospitals-face-a-shortage-of-nurses-as-covid-cases-soarFlorida, Louisiana, Arkansas and Oregon all have more people hospitalized with COVID-19 than at any other point in the pandemic, and nursing staffs are badly strained.Miami's Jackson Memorial Health System, Florida's largest medical provider, has been losing nurses to staffing agencies, other hospitals and pandemic burnout, Executive Vice President Julie Staub said. The hospital's CEO says nurses are being lured away to jobs in other states at double and triple the salary.Staub said system hospitals have started paying retention bonuses to nurses who agree to stay for a set period. To cover shortages, nurses who agree to work extra are getting the typical time-and-a-half for overtime plus $500 per additional 12-hour shift. Even with that, the hospital sometimes still has to turn to agencies to fill openings. The U.S. is averaging more than 116,000 new coronavirus infections a day along with about 50,000 hospitalizations, levels not experienced since the winter surge. Unlike other points in the pandemic, hospitals now have more non-COVID patients for everything from car accidents to surgeries that were postponed during the outbreak. That has put even more burden on nurses who were already fatigued after dealing with constant death among patients and illnesses in their ranks. Parts of Europe have so far avoided a similar hospital crisis, despite wide circulation of the delta variant, with help from vaccines. In a Honolulu hospital's emergency department, patients have had to wait for beds for more than 24 hours on gurneys in a curtained-off section because there's not enough staff to open more beds, nurse Patrick Switzer said. "Somebody who's been sitting in the emergency room for 30 hours is miserable," he said. He described being "in this constant state of anxiety, knowing that you don't have the tools that you need to take care of your patients because we're stretched so thin." COVID-19 hospitalizations have now surpassed the pandemic's worst previous surge in Florida, with no signs of letting up, setting a record of 13,600 on Monday, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. More than 2,800 required intensive care. At the height of last year's summer surge, there were more than 10,170 COVID-19 hospitalizations.
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Post by tincin on Aug 11, 2021 2:14:04 GMT
I don't have faith in our government to figure out what those "certain Situations" are. I agree with you though. OK, if you don't want to do your job anymore, then you need to be finding another one. And people home after having a baby shouldn't be getting paid unemployment! they would be home anyway, like you said. I don't think it would be that hard for the employer to just let the unemployment agency know that the person was offered their job back and if they don't take it, they lose their unemployment. When unemployment numbers are not that high right now, I don't know why this can't happen. I could see if it was way higher and there weren't enough employees to cover this, but it could just be a simple check mark on a website that the employer fills out. My understanding from the podcast was that they weren't doing this because people were given the option of "not feeling safe" because of the pandemic, which I think is BS in most circumstances. It’s already that way in many states. They ended the stipulation that if you were afraid of getting COVID you didn’t have to take a job and could still collect unemployment. Now if you’re offered a job and don’t take it you lose your benefits. I will say this, I would not risk my life for minimum wage. F that. And why should people? If companies can’t pay a decent wage then F them too. Why should people work for wages that won’t even enable them to afford an apartment? No where in the US can a person working full time earn enough to afford an apartment. If I was in that situation I’d stay home and collect the extra money too. I’d be a damned fool not to.
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Post by PLurker on Aug 11, 2021 2:18:02 GMT
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Post by tincin on Aug 11, 2021 2:21:00 GMT
i know someone whose last job was part time. she left because her mom got ill and yet somehow qualified for unemployment. her unemployment is $57.00 but she gets that extra $300 per week. she just moved into a $2 million house where they did a 100k remodel before moving in. she's very open about her life and that's why we know these specific numbers. we recently had dinner with this person. you could tell two of the women in our group were visibly uneasy hearing about how much she gets in unemployment while they were busting their butts at work. this person uses her unemployment to pay for a personal trainer and misc items. her husband earns more than enough money. is it fair? probably not. is she eligible? technically, yes. so why does she collect it? because she can. is she going to suffer when the unemployment ends? not one bit. is she going back to work? no. I thought they had to physically be looking for a job to qualify. I know in the beginning you didn’t but thought that changed in June. I really hate when people take advantage of stuff like this. Would much rather see people that really need it get more and not people doing stuff like this even if she technically qualifies. Of course I keep thinking my grandkids are going to be paying for this. No one physically looks for a job anymore. Almost everyone has gone to online applications or texting/calling for an interview.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 11, 2021 3:08:10 GMT
I don't think it would be that hard for the employer to just let the unemployment agency know that the person was offered their job back and if they don't take it, they lose their unemployment. When unemployment numbers are not that high right now, I don't know why this can't happen. I could see if it was way higher and there weren't enough employees to cover this, but it could just be a simple check mark on a website that the employer fills out. My understanding from the podcast was that they weren't doing this because people were given the option of "not feeling safe" because of the pandemic, which I think is BS in most circumstances. HAAAAAAAAAA. There is no way they have the staff or time to do that. That is why people are signing up for 100s of jobs, and no showing. Do you think they are checking on those? Do they check on those things in non-Covid times? From what I read and stated earlier, the unemployment numbers here aren’t much higher now than in February 2020. So if they checked on things like they were supposed to them, they could do it now as well.
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Post by pridemom on Aug 11, 2021 3:46:06 GMT
Some who received UI were not out of work, but qualified under the Shared Work Program because their employers cut their hours. I was one who had my work week reduced from May through September of last year. I received UI during that time, but it ended when my hours returned to normal.
Those people aren’t looking for jobs because their jobs didn’t go anywhere.
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Post by whitehat on Aug 11, 2021 3:55:15 GMT
Well, here in my town in Michigan, where recreational marijuana is LEGAL, employers are automatically disqualifying potential employees by drug testing for marijuana. Alcohol users are free to apply, though. No testing for what they do on their free time.
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Post by Merge on Aug 11, 2021 4:09:19 GMT
HAAAAAAAAAA. There is no way they have the staff or time to do that. That is why people are signing up for 100s of jobs, and no showing. Do you think they are checking on those? Do they check on those things in non-Covid times? From what I read and stated earlier, the unemployment numbers here aren’t much higher now than in February 2020. So if they checked on things like they were supposed to them, they could do it now as well. They didn’t check anything back in 2002 when I was laid off and got unemployment for a period of time. You just certified that you had applied for a certain number of jobs each week and that was that. I’m not sure how checking like that would even work. How is an employer supposed to know which applicants are receiving unemployment to “turn them in?” How is it decided which jobs an applicant “must” take or lose benefits, and which ones are not suitable for that person? FWIW, way back in 2002, I got pregnant with my 2nd child while on unemployment and decided not to return to work because I would have paid more for two in childcare than I was earning. Sometimes pregnancy is not planned. 😂 Oh, and I went ahead and let my employment benefits carry on until they ran out because I wanted to stick it to the employer that had laid me off with no notice or severance after three years of excellent work. *shrug* Call me a slacker. Many people’s situations are more complicated than it may appear from the outside. ETA: I was laid off in the tech downturn after 9/11, so there were not jobs like my previous one available for me to apply to. But something else I discovered at that time is that if your previous job history shows you’ve been in jobs that typically require a college degree - even if you leave that degree off your application like I learned to do - the hiring algorithms for large employers like grocery stores and big box places will automatically exclude you from their applicant pool. Maybe that has changed, but at the time, those employers didn’t want to hire overqualified people because they perceived they’d leave the job more quickly.
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Post by katlady on Aug 11, 2021 5:05:48 GMT
There is even a huge shortage of truck drivers, which is why there is a shortage of some goods in stores. The article does state that some drivers did come back when their unemployment benefits expired, but many are finding they like working closer to home so they are opting for jobs in manufacturing or construction. www.yahoo.com/finance/news/us-xpress-ceo-driver-shortage-trucking-industry-202632404.htmlETA - I think this pandemic and the shutdowns have really changed a lot of people's perspective on work/life balance.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Aug 11, 2021 5:05:53 GMT
Parents with school aged kids suddenly had them at home doing virtual school. Or maybe grandma took them after school and couldn't risk it. Some parents are choosing to keep kid in virtual school or maybe they don't have the choice. But it's summer? and what did they do with their kids before? during the summer? I totally get it about the Grandma not wanting to watch them though! This isn't related to unemployment, but is related to your child care question. My employer decided to have people back in the office at least 50% of their hours starting June 1, when our county's most recent mandate expired. But we only had about 2 weeks notice. And all of my coworkers with young children were kind of caught off guard, because arrangments for summer camps and summer child care had to be made months earlier. It's understandable that they couldn't decide til last minute but no one even told us that they were considering bringing us back.
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Post by 50offscrapper on Aug 11, 2021 7:48:01 GMT
I think people made changes to their lifestyle during Covid such as eating out less, coloring their own hair, no manicures, no movies, less need fir a work wardrobe, less gas, less tolls. All this really adds up. Couples with 2 wage earners probably decided that it wasn’t worth going back.
College students went back home to their parents so incurred a lot less.
People basically figured out that they could live on a lot less.
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Post by MissBianca on Aug 11, 2021 13:04:07 GMT
I think there are several reasons for the labor shortage. 1- During the quarantine some people realized their time was worth more than they were being paid. 2- Some people have been so nasty to “essential employees” that those same employees have decided they are being paid enough to be assaulted, spit on, and verbally abused by the customers. 3- Around 3/4 of a million people died, some of them actually held jobs. 4- long term COVID side effects are keeping more than a few people out of work. 5- Some people are quitting their jobs because they’ve reassessed their priorities and have decided to stay home. 6- There is very little company loyalty that creates a tie between the employer and the employees anymore. People go to work for the person who offers the most money and best benefits and I don’t blame them one damned bit. All of this!! May I steal this please? I got into an argument with my DS20’s former boss over this. He’s all like no one wants to work! I’m like dude, it’s way more than that! I can tell you for a fact my kids are in number 2 all day. They work in food service and retail and the verbal abuse is unreal. We went out to Chili’s last night and our server was apologizing because they only had 3 waiters. I made damn sure we were extra nice and left a really good tip. I also wonder if number 5 also has a spin on daycare costs. I know even 25 years ago when our first was born I would have made just enough money to cover childcare. It made zero sense for me to work. So we just eliminated a few minor things from our budget and lived off one income.
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Post by anaterra on Aug 11, 2021 13:12:39 GMT
In our family my dil worked in retail (Walmart actually)... she worked days cuz son works nights... when covid hit and kids came home from school she quit her job.... my sons job pays the big bills and has their insurance... so she went on unemployment... in Texas they were giving food stamps to every family that had school age children...
So the unemployment and food benefits paid what she lost in wages...
Now they are using the child tax credit and son is putting in some overtime while dil has become a stay at home mom...
She wont be going back to work until the school situation is stable...
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 11, 2021 13:15:03 GMT
Has child care changed? I mean, if you had child care before, don't you have it now? Out of those 600,000 that died, how many were actually working? A lot of COVID deaths were elderly, I would bet over 50%? during the school year, many parents rely on the schools for daycare. If they have a school aged kid, the hybrid or at home learning lowered availability Definitely this. Where I am, last year the school based care programs were running on limited capacity and were only taking the kids of essential workers. That has eased up some now but I think they still aren’t operating at full capacity. Something else I haven’t seen mentioned is, with so many people laid off or working from home (or with kids at home due to hybrid or virtual learning) how many have decided to start up a home based small business or side hustle during the pandemic? I know of a few people who have done this and decided they would rather pursue continuing doing that vs. going back to a part time job they previously held.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 11, 2021 13:21:15 GMT
If you were making $20/hr (which is really good money in my neck of the woods…..not career money, but far higher than any restaurant, store, hospitality place pays) then you’re better off by $28/wk. Thats before you factor in childcare, gas, lunch money, etc not to mention stress and other emotional factors. Aren't you in Michigan? If so, our max unemployment compensation is $362 per week. With an additional $300 per week, that works out to $662 per week or $16 per hour. And you still have to pay taxes on unemployment. $28 per hour works out to a gross pay of over $1100 per week. My daughter was on unemployment for a little bit late spring/early summer. She was working 45 hours a week at $11 per hour in a fast food restaurant so around $525 gross a week. Her qualified unemployment benefit was $182 per week based on her work history. With an extra $300 per week, she made $482 per week on unemployment. So the extra $300 didn't even hit her gross pay at her old job. People who work low pay jobs, do not qualify for the maximum unemployment benefit for the state. I'm really tired of hearing this argument. If I was laid off right now, $362 + $300 extra wouldn't even come close to my gross wage. There are a lot of people on unemployment who aren't low income workers. The fact is, that after our last recession which devastated a lot of people and no jobs were to be had, they should have re-evaluated the unemployment system to make it more equitable. This extra $600 and the extra $300 was a band-aid on a broken system. If I lost my job, I would lose everything (just like I did in 2009) even with the extra $300. Unemployment should have been addressed after the last recession and made more fair to begin with. $362 per week is a joke for a professional. My ex and I both lost our jobs during the last recession. You think food service or retail would hire someone with my educational background? And then do you honestly think I would make enough money to support us? We lost our house, our cars, everything. And had to start completely over. I had to temp for 2 years before I found a permanent position and still I had to take a pay cut to what I was making pre-recession. I'm really tired of people beating people up over the extra $300 per week.
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Post by disneypal on Aug 11, 2021 14:23:50 GMT
I don't know anyone that isn't working and collecting unemployment? do you guys? Yes, my sister is...she lost her job last August due to COVID - she worked for the YMCA and the gyms were closed...that is their primary income source, everyone canceled their memberships starting in April 2020 so by August, they were pretty much out of money and had to let go about 70% of their staff (she was in the corporate office) She has looked for work for a similar position (administrative) and has applied for countless jobs but she either doesn't get called in for an interview, or she has interviewed and wasn't selected. I hate to say it but I believe her age is working against her - she was with the YMCA for 23 years and she is in her mid-50s. Even though companies are not supposed to age discriminate - I think they prefer to hiring younger staff. She is still applying for jobs...our governor stopped the extension of all unemployment benefits so she no longer has that income. She is STILL trying to find work. Yes, there are places like McD's hiring but they only want to hire part-time making $10 an hour and $200/week before taxes isn't much - she would prefer to spend those 20 hours looking for a position similar to what she had before. Plus, she has some medical issues and needs a job with insurance. It isn't that she doesn't want to work, she does, but it is difficult finding an administrative position for someone in her mid-50s.
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