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Post by snickle on Aug 13, 2021 19:06:32 GMT
DD is working at a convenience store and making $13/hr summer pay. i think it is supposed to go back to $12 something in the fall. Anyway, Starbucks called her for an interview and they only offered $7.25. She was like NOPE! They do also pay 100% of your college tuition, which is a substantial bump in salary if you’re in college. Those are difficult jobs to get here. I don't think they are going to pay 100% of her college to work a few hours a week. I am sure there is some fine print there somewhere! I mean if that is the case, they certainly did not even mention that or tell her that.
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Post by snickle on Aug 13, 2021 19:09:47 GMT
I just looked that up. That appears to only be if you enroll in Arizona State.
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Post by Zee on Aug 13, 2021 19:41:49 GMT
Hubby is in same boat... Collision Repair shop, but small scale. We are down to a single bodyman who's in his 60's and my Husband that does everything else (paints, repairs, bookkeeper, estimates) ect. The other thing crushing us right now is all the cheapo insurance compaines or those insurance companies that tell customer you MUST go to their preferred shop or you won't get an estimate or a rental... or whatever else they tell them. Labor rates for auto repair (In Texas) have not been raised in years and years. We are set to get out of this business soon. It's all my husband and his family has ever done. His parents and brother have passed and now we just want to sell the property and be done. This is exactly what my DH is experiencing. If the insurance companies didn’t tell customers where they have to take their cars for repairs then a lot of these problems would never exist. If the insurance company gets pissy with one shop they cut them off & tell customers not to take their cars there. That is how much control insurance companies have over the collision business now. Just my experience but when I take my car where my insurance prefers, things go smoothly and quickly. When I moved here there was no Progressive place so I chose the local collision shop, wanting to support local business. They basically kept my car hostage for the entire length of time I was allowed a loaner, fighting with insurance, telling me they couldn't get parts, delay tactic after delay tactic trying to squeeze every last dime from my insurance for what was a minor fender bender. It turned into a huge ordeal and I'd never go back, and I'm now wary of trying to support local. They did good work, but in no way should I have had to go through that. To top it off the manager found it necessary to talk down to me in a "now see here little lady" fashion. I normally don't ever feel the need to go get my husband as that feels weak to me, but I did have to with this guy. But now they're under new management, so ...
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Post by MichyM on Aug 13, 2021 20:05:37 GMT
DD is working at a convenience store and making $13/hr summer pay. i think it is supposed to go back to $12 something in the fall. Anyway, Starbucks called her for an interview and they only offered $7.25. She was like NOPE! They do also pay 100% of your college tuition, which is a substantial bump in salary if you’re in college. Those are difficult jobs to get here. Oh I wish. DS worked at Starbucks his freshman year of college (UMich). Tuition for OOS students is ridiculously high. If they offered paid tuition, he would have continued to work there for sure! Upon googling, it appears to be a thing for Starbucks employees who attend ASU, and you still have to work 20 hours a week on top of your studies.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 13, 2021 21:38:08 GMT
DD is working at a convenience store and making $13/hr summer pay. i think it is supposed to go back to $12 something in the fall. Anyway, Starbucks called her for an interview and they only offered $7.25. She was like NOPE! That's way below average for Starbucks - you must live in a very low cost of living area. I think the middle 50% is $10-$12.75 starting wage nationwide. My daughter is making $13 - and frankly there's grumbling as you can start pretty much any retail or food service around here at $15. Her summer counseling job paid $18 - so didn't pick up many shifts at Starbucks. It's worth it for her for their very generous food and drink policy. When you only work 10-15 hours a week, but get $10-15 of free food and drink every day, the hourly wage works out pretty well. ETA - it's a bit more with tips, but frankly their mobile app sucks for the employees as tipping isn't easy and more and more people are ordering through the app.
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Post by Merge on Aug 13, 2021 21:57:03 GMT
They do also pay 100% of your college tuition, which is a substantial bump in salary if you’re in college. Those are difficult jobs to get here. Oh I wish. DS worked at Starbucks his freshman year of college (UMich). Tuition for OOS students is ridiculously high. If they offered paid tuition, he would have continued to work there for sure! Upon googling, it appears to be a thing for Starbucks employees who attend ASU, and you still have to work 20 hours a week on top of your studies. Yes, it’s a well-organized program online through ASU. It’s equivalent to a significant bump in pay for an employee who takes advantage of it - and the student doesn’t have to major in something that benefits Starbucks. Certainly not for everyone, but a free undergraduate degree is not an insignificant perk in these days of six-figure student loan burdens. (Baristas in my area tend to make $15/hr or so regardless, so it’s a decent student job here. I’ve also read that they offer that elusive thing - a fairly regular schedule - though I have no personal confirmation if that.)
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 14, 2021 0:10:51 GMT
DD is working at a convenience store and making $13/hr summer pay. i think it is supposed to go back to $12 something in the fall. Anyway, Starbucks called her for an interview and they only offered $7.25. She was like NOPE! Holy hell. Our state minimum wage is 12.00 an hour and that is not enough to support yourself. I can’t imagine anywhere having such a low cost of living that they could pay anyone 7.25 an hour.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2021 0:55:37 GMT
I think it's another disgusting talking point for the right to whine about. I doubt highly that people are choosing to (try to) collect unemployment and enjoying life gleefully. What bullshit. There are various reasons for people truly collecting unemployment and the past 18 mos has shown many reasons why they'd need it.
How these people think that living on unemployment is the answer to not working, is just nuts. I didn't hear these same people complain when the top % of billionaires got enormous tax breaks, or when those corporations DID NOT pass it on to their employees or employ more people, etc. For the most part they kept it and it never trickled down. No word about that though.........
Covid has been a very trying time for the world. We should be helping those in need and not worrying about people "not wanting to work anymore".
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 14, 2021 3:55:39 GMT
That extra $300 a week was not accepted by every state. Our dickhead Governor refused it in Oklahoma, so the extra $300 that the unemployed received here ended in May. Also, unemployment is never equal to what a person made while on the job. When I was laid off last year, my unemployment was just below HALF of my salary. Without that "bonus" money I wouldn't have been able to pay all my bills every month. So the people that are saying that the unemployed are milking it and just want to lay on the couch can suck it. Because even with the bonus it's still not a livable wage. ❤❤❤❤❤❤
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 14, 2021 3:58:03 GMT
Parents with school aged kids suddenly had them at home doing virtual school. Or maybe grandma took them after school and couldn't risk it. Some parents are choosing to keep kid in virtual school or maybe they don't have the choice. But it's summer? and what did they do with their kids before? during the summer? I totally get it about the Grandma not wanting to watch them though! A lot of camps and summer programs were closed due to lack of staff.
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Post by snickle on Aug 14, 2021 16:13:22 GMT
DD is working at a convenience store and making $13/hr summer pay. i think it is supposed to go back to $12 something in the fall. Anyway, Starbucks called her for an interview and they only offered $7.25. She was like NOPE! That's way below average for Starbucks - you must live in a very low cost of living area. I think the middle 50% is $10-$12.75 starting wage nationwide. My daughter is making $13 - and frankly there's grumbling as you can start pretty much any retail or food service around here at $15. Her summer counseling job paid $18 - so didn't pick up many shifts at Starbucks. It's worth it for her for their very generous food and drink policy. When you only work 10-15 hours a week, but get $10-15 of free food and drink every day, the hourly wage works out pretty well. ETA - it's a bit more with tips, but frankly their mobile app sucks for the employees as tipping isn't easy and more and more people are ordering through the app. The Starbucks is on campus, so I dont' know if that has anything to do with their pay.
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Post by gardengoddess on Aug 14, 2021 17:05:27 GMT
I'm sure it's been mentioned in the previous posts on this thread, I admit to not reading the entire six pages, but boomers are leaving the workforce in droves. That's 18 years of people ages 75 to 57 either already retired or getting ready to in the next five to ten years. Younger generations will need to step up to the plate to cover those jobs and most of the jobs that need filled aren't You Tube channel personalities, Instagram "influencers" or pro athletes.
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Post by Merge on Aug 14, 2021 17:10:28 GMT
I'm sure it's been mentioned in the previous posts on this thread, I admit to not reading the entire six pages, but boomers are leaving the workforce in droves. That's 18 years of people ages 75 to 57 either already retired or getting ready to in the next five to ten years. Younger generations will need to step up to the plate to cover those jobs and most of the jobs that need filled aren't You Tube channel personalities, Instagram "influencers" or pro athletes. I'm not sure what you're implying here, but if the younger generations are able to make a living doing a job other than the crappy one some boomer tolerated and then left behind, good for the younger generation. No one needs to "step up" to be treated like crap for low pay.
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Post by gardengoddess on Aug 14, 2021 17:16:31 GMT
I'm sure it's been mentioned in the previous posts on this thread, I admit to not reading the entire six pages, but boomers are leaving the workforce in droves. That's 18 years of people ages 75 to 57 either already retired or getting ready to in the next five to ten years. Younger generations will need to step up to the plate to cover those jobs and most of the jobs that need filled aren't You Tube channel personalities, Instagram "influencers" or pro athletes. I'm not sure what you're implying here, but if the younger generations are able to make a living doing a job other than the crappy one some boomer tolerated and then left behind, good for the younger generation. No one needs to "step up" to be treated like crap for low pay. I don't believe I said anything about crappy pay or being treated like crap. I also don't believe that a boomer "tolerated" a crappy job to leave behind.
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 14, 2021 17:32:13 GMT
I'm sure it's been mentioned in the previous posts on this thread, I admit to not reading the entire six pages, but boomers are leaving the workforce in droves. That's 18 years of people ages 75 to 57 either already retired or getting ready to in the next five to ten years. Younger generations will need to step up to the plate to cover those jobs and most of the jobs that need filled aren't You Tube channel personalities, Instagram "influencers" or pro athletes. They are not necessarily stepping out and leaving behind a job that will be filled. In universities, eg, when someone retires from a tenure-track job, they generally aren’t being replaced by an entry-level tenure-track person — their workload simply gets dropped onto the people already teaching and-or universities hire adjuncts and contract professors who lack job security and are paid very little.
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Post by Merge on Aug 14, 2021 17:32:26 GMT
I'm not sure what you're implying here, but if the younger generations are able to make a living doing a job other than the crappy one some boomer tolerated and then left behind, good for the younger generation. No one needs to "step up" to be treated like crap for low pay. I don't believe I said anything about crappy pay or being treated like crap. I also don't believe that a boomer "tolerated" a crappy job to leave behind. So what did you mean when you said that younger people were going to have to “step up” to fill boomer jobs rather than pursuing what they find interesting and worthwhile?
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Post by gardengoddess on Aug 14, 2021 20:48:39 GMT
I don't believe I said anything about crappy pay or being treated like crap. I also don't believe that a boomer "tolerated" a crappy job to leave behind. So what did you mean when you said that younger people were going to have to “step up” to fill boomer jobs rather than pursuing what they find interesting and worthwhile? Someone is going to have to build our tires and cars, fill the manufacturing plants that are left in this country, build our homes, roads, and bridges that include plumbing and electricity, carpentry, concrete workers. The trades are screaming for applicants and not everyone can make a living from YouTube, Tik Tok and IG. I am sure there are other positions within other industries in this country that are desperate to replace the older workers that are leaving. Who's going to fill those positions other than people who are younger? I'm at the very tail end of the boomer generation and I wish I could have pursued and made a living off of what I found "interesting and worthwhile" while still being able to pay my rent, food and insurance, but I can assure you every job I had wasn't something I just tolerated or that I thought was crappy. I had to do the "interesting and worthwhile" stuff in my spare time.
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Post by gardengoddess on Aug 14, 2021 20:53:16 GMT
Just thought of another industry hurting for people to fill positions....transportation. CDL drivers. They can make great money but I'm sure it's not easy work.
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Post by candleangie on Aug 14, 2021 21:43:29 GMT
The trades are screaming for applicants and not everyone can make a living from YouTube, Tik Tok and IG. This is so dismissive and unnecessary. My kids are 21, 22 and 23 years old (I know, omg) All three work retail jobs, two are in school (one studying para-education, one studying computer programming.) Employees in their 20s at my workplace are all in school. One just completed her degree in HR management, one just started her masters to become a teacher. They aren’t the exception, they’re pretty much the rule amongst the people I know their age. Dh is a welder/fabricator. He builds fleet/service trucks for a living. HUGE complicated things with cranes, spent oil tanks, etc on them. The “trades” have created their own problem over the years. They’re “desperate” for employees….but in most industries they’ve spent the last ten years trying to be picky and only willing to hire people with experience. No one has been willing to take a chance on the new guys for a very long time. The few places that will hire straight from school still require them to provide their own tools (I won’t tell you what my husbands work tools are insured at, but it’s five figures.) or they want them to work on commission, but absolutely refuse to reign in their sales people who use “I’ll give you a deal on the labor” as a selling tool. So they’re supposed to absorb that cut, with no voice in the matter, and are not allowed to refuse jobs. (There’s a reason dh is no longer a mechanic.) Young people aren’t stupid. They’re doing the same things WE did as young people. They’re looking at the financial viability of their many options and making a judgement call. The sad reality is that the economy isn’t situated to allow for someone to “pinch pennies” for a few years until their chosen field pays off. Schooling requires more money than they can make while in school, which means student loans, which means loan payments directly after graduation. They have to start with a living wage.
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Post by Merge on Aug 14, 2021 21:50:30 GMT
This is so dismissive and unnecessary. My kids are 21, 22 and 23 years old (I know, omg) All three work retail jobs, two are in school (one studying para-education, one studying computer programming.) Employees in their 20s at my workplace are all in school. One just completed her degree in HR management, one just started her masters to become a teacher. They aren’t the exception, they’re pretty much the rule amongst the people I know their age. Dh is a welder/fabricator. He builds fleet/service trucks for a living. HUGE complicated things with cranes, spent oil tanks, etc on them. The “trades” have created their own problem over the years. They’re “desperate” for employees….but in most industries they’ve spent the last ten years trying to be picky and only willing to hire people with experience. No one has been willing to take a chance on the new guys for a very long time. The few places that will hire straight from school still require them to provide their own tools (I won’t tell you what my husbands work tools are insured at, but it’s five figures.) or they want them to work on commission, but absolutely refuse to reign in their sales people who use “I’ll give you a deal on the labor” as a selling tool. So they’re supposed to absorb that cut, with no voice in the matter, and are not allowed to refuse jobs. (There’s a reason dh is no longer a mechanic.) Young people aren’t stupid. They’re doing the same things WE did as young people. They’re looking at the financial viability of their many options and making a judgement call. The sad reality is that the economy isn’t situated to allow for someone to “pinch pennies” for a few years until their chosen field pays off. Schooling requires more money than they can make while in school, which means student loans, which means loan payments directly after graduation. They have to start with a living wage. I think you meant to quote gardengoddess here and not me. I agree with you. I’m all in favor of people going into trades if they want to. Many people do find working with their hands interesting and worthwhile, or if they don’t, they at least find it more interesting and worthwhile than sitting in an office. As you point out, those jobs can be hard for a young person to break into and make a living. And as I think we both agree, it’s pretty dismissive to suggest that a young person who doesn’t think trades are for them is planning a life as a dilettante. Employers are really going to have to start looking hard at how to attract workers and keep them. This attitude that they’re all just sitting on their lazy butts somewhere is simply not true. And I’ll also just point out that in these parts, those necessary jobs mentioned above are mostly filled by immigrants - many of them undocumented. You hard up for laborers? Look at where all the immigrants went who were willing to do those jobs.
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Post by candleangie on Aug 14, 2021 21:56:08 GMT
I think you meant to quote gardengoddess here and not me. I agree with you. You’re right, I did. Sorry about that! It’s fixed now. 🙂
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 14, 2021 22:23:41 GMT
candleangie said: The “trades” have created their own problem over the years. They’re “desperate” for employees….but in most industries they’ve spent the last ten years trying to be picky and only willing to hire people with experience. No one has been willing to take a chance on the new guys for a very long time. This. I have a DD with a trade school certificate in commercial electrician. She has an apprentice license and her own tools and can't get anybody to take a chance on her. And forget the union. They don't want you unless you're 40 and male. She was a high school honor student who didn't want to sit at a desk her whole life and now is regretting not going to college as she makes burritos at chipotle waiting for someone to hire her for a career in her trade.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 14, 2021 22:44:49 GMT
candleangie said: The “trades” have created their own problem over the years. They’re “desperate” for employees….but in most industries they’ve spent the last ten years trying to be picky and only willing to hire people with experience. No one has been willing to take a chance on the new guys for a very long time. This. I have a DD with a trade school certificate in commercial electrician. She has an apprentice license and her own tools and can't get anybody to take a chance on her. And forget the union. They don't want you unless you're 40 and male. She was a high school honor student who didn't want to sit at a desk her whole life and now is regretting not going to college as she makes burritos at chipotle waiting for someone to hire her for a career in her trade. I thought she had found a job I’m sorry she can’t get a job she wants snd has trained for. That has to be so frustrating. Hoping she will find something soon.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 14, 2021 23:07:27 GMT
candleangie said: The “trades” have created their own problem over the years. They’re “desperate” for employees….but in most industries they’ve spent the last ten years trying to be picky and only willing to hire people with experience. No one has been willing to take a chance on the new guys for a very long time. This. I have a DD with a trade school certificate in commercial electrician. She has an apprentice license and her own tools and can't get anybody to take a chance on her. And forget the union. They don't want you unless you're 40 and male. She was a high school honor student who didn't want to sit at a desk her whole life and now is regretting not going to college as she makes burritos at chipotle waiting for someone to hire her for a career in her trade. I thought she had found a job I’m sorry she can’t get a job she wants snd has trained for. That has to be so frustrating. Hoping she will find something soon. She finally got hired at chipotle. But hasn't found anything in her field. She keeps looking though. Something will break if she just keeps being persistent, I'm sure. I'm just tired of people saying trades are the way to go. I thought so too until I got to see up close and personal how they really don't want young people...
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 14, 2021 23:11:29 GMT
I thought she had found a job I’m sorry she can’t get a job she wants snd has trained for. That has to be so frustrating. Hoping she will find something soon. She finally got hired at chipotle. But hasn't found anything in her field. She keeps looking though. Something will break if she just keeps being persistent, I'm sure. I'm just tired of people saying trades are the way to go. I thought so too until I got to see up close and personal how they really don't want young people... Particularly female young people - I have an enormous family in many of the trades and while I'd like to say there isn't bias- but that would unfortunately be a lie. I would have thought electricians would be better quite frankly, hopefully she can break through.
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Post by gardengoddess on Aug 15, 2021 0:49:50 GMT
The trades are screaming for applicants and not everyone can make a living from YouTube, Tik Tok and IG. This is so dismissive and unnecessary. My kids are 21, 22 and 23 years old (I know, omg) All three work retail jobs, two are in school (one studying para-education, one studying computer programming.) Employees in their 20s at my workplace are all in school. One just completed her degree in HR management, one just started her masters to become a teacher. They aren’t the exception, they’re pretty much the rule amongst the people I know their age. Dh is a welder/fabricator. He builds fleet/service trucks for a living. HUGE complicated things with cranes, spent oil tanks, etc on them. The “trades” have created their own problem over the years. They’re “desperate” for employees….but in most industries they’ve spent the last ten years trying to be picky and only willing to hire people with experience. No one has been willing to take a chance on the new guys for a very long time. The few places that will hire straight from school still require them to provide their own tools (I won’t tell you what my husbands work tools are insured at, but it’s five figures.) or they want them to work on commission, but absolutely refuse to reign in their sales people who use “I’ll give you a deal on the labor” as a selling tool. So they’re supposed to absorb that cut, with no voice in the matter, and are not allowed to refuse jobs. (There’s a reason dh is no longer a mechanic.) Young people aren’t stupid. They’re doing the same things WE did as young people. They’re looking at the financial viability of their many options and making a judgement call. The sad reality is that the economy isn’t situated to allow for someone to “pinch pennies” for a few years until their chosen field pays off. Schooling requires more money than they can make while in school, which means student loans, which means loan payments directly after graduation. They have to start with a living wage. No, no it's not. All you have to do is go on to any of the social media platforms and see for yourself. I also have two millennials that chose careers in things other than the jobs I previously listed, but I come from a long line of union tradesmen in my family. How many of our young people are going into the military? That's another choice that has a sable paycheck and a future but you have to play by the rules. Enlistments have been down for many, many years. BTW, nowhere in my post did I say young people are stupid and not all young people go on to college either, so these are choices for those kids too.
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Post by gardengoddess on Aug 15, 2021 0:56:59 GMT
And whether or not the unions didn't play well with others for years and created their own issues, doesn't solve the issue of what is going to be a HUGE gap in the trades labor force in the next decade and it's going to take a long time for any type of construction to get done. One of my brothers is a union tradesman and his Snap On Tool boxes and tools are worth as much as the truck he drives and insured them accordingly also, but that still doesn't solve the problem of WHO is going to fill those positions in the next decade.
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Post by PLurker on Aug 15, 2021 1:15:45 GMT
This. I have a DD with a trade school certificate in commercial electrician. She has an apprentice license and her own tools and can't get anybody to take a chance on her. And forget the union. They don't want you unless you're 40 and male. this pisses me off. for her. and you. for me. and society. When the hell are we going to grow up and out of that BS.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 16, 2021 18:19:43 GMT
Just thought of another industry hurting for people to fill positions....transportation. CDL drivers. They can make great money but I'm sure it's not easy work. it is NOT easy work- they can legally drive 14 hours a day. And if they're stuck in traffic due to an accident, their time keeps ticking away- while their load is not moving forward to its destination. My DH did OTR driving for a year before he decided he just couldn't do it any longer- he was gone for almost 4 weeks at a time, and only home for 3-4 days at a stretch at the absolute longest. It's tough to have any sort of 'a life' and do these jobs, and the companies don't exactly compensate them above-and-beyond for sacrificing their home lives and the inconvenience of living in a sleeper cab of a truck for weeks at a time with only 34 whole hours for resting in between driving stints. The companies expect the trucks to be driven to the limit they can be legally, and the drivers are sacrificing their home lives for all that stuff to get to the stores, distribution centers, warehouses, etc. All for us to buy a $3 widget instead of complaining about it it being out of stock.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 16, 2021 19:54:10 GMT
Just thought of another industry hurting for people to fill positions....transportation. CDL drivers. They can make great money but I'm sure it's not easy work. it is NOT easy work- they can legally drive 14 hours a day. And if they're stuck in traffic due to an accident, their time keeps ticking away- while their load is not moving forward to its destination. My DH did OTR driving for a year before he decided he just couldn't do it any longer- he was gone for almost 4 weeks at a time, and only home for 3-4 days at a stretch at the absolute longest. It's tough to have any sort of 'a life' and do these jobs, and the companies don't exactly compensate them above-and-beyond for sacrificing their home lives and the inconvenience of living in a sleeper cab of a truck for weeks at a time with only 34 whole hours for resting in between driving stints. The companies expect the trucks to be driven to the limit they can be legally, and the drivers are sacrificing their home lives for all that stuff to get to the stores, distribution centers, warehouses, etc. All for us to buy a $3 widget instead of complaining about it it being out of stock. Jeremy did this for over a year. You know what finally brought him home? A blood clot in his leg. From sitting in a truck for 14 hours a day.
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