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Post by bc2ca on Aug 21, 2021 20:06:50 GMT
And all industries are going to have to get over the idea that recreational pot use is a reason to exclude an applicant from the pool. The younger generation sees it as no different than alcohol. Get with the times or lose those kids to other industries. DD(24) recently quit a job after 5 days because of a supervisor being a dick over scheduling after she was told in the interview that it was fine to just be available on limited days (she was hired in a group of 9 and they were all being dicked around). She is trying to coordinate two part time jobs, was told she needed to be available at their whim and so gave notice at the beginning of her shift that it was her last day. They said she couldn't just quit and needed to give two weeks notice. Her other job has her scheduled for the same 3 days/8 hours every week. This is a true unicorn of a job. When I worked entry level, part-time jobs I always was hired for specific shifts. My kids and their friends have never experienced this. Their normal is to find out on a Thursday night what they are scheduled to work for the next week.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 20:59:04 GMT
When I worked entry level, part-time jobs I always was hired for specific shifts. My kids and their friends have never experienced this. This is a HUGE part of what has changed in the US workforce - esp. for part-time and/or retail. It's now "we need you when we need you, keep your schedule clear to work for us when we need you even if it's just part-time and for peanuts". Yeah, ok. That seems totally fair. Assh#($*es.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 21:02:42 GMT
www.epi.org/publication/irregular-work-scheduling-and-its-consequences/ Irregular scheduling and outcomes
Employees who work irregular shift times, in contrast with those with more standard, regular shift times, experience greater work-family conflict, and sometimes experience greater work stress. Less than 11 percent of workers on “regular” work schedules report “often” experiencing work-family conflict in contrast with as many as 26 percent of irregular/on-call shift employees, and 19 percent of rotating/split shift workers. Similar differences appear for reporting that they “never” experience work-family interference. Overtime work that is required by the employer increases the likelihood of having an irregular schedule and particularly of working on rotating/split shifts. Overtime work that is mandatory is greatest among those who earn at least $22,500 but below $40,000 per year; who work longer weekly hours; who work inflexible daily schedules (they can’t take time off or change their starting and ending times); or who report that there are often too few workers on staff to get all the work done. Public policy measuresThe documented associations with work-family conflict and work stress not only reinforce the existing “business case” for limiting work hours fluctuation at the behest of employers only, but also underscore the need to adopt preventative public policy measures, such as recent reforms taking place in states and municipalities across the United States. Specifically, community action groups and labor unions that have witnessed the deleterious effects of irregular work schedules on people and their families have spearheaded efforts to propose and adopt legislation at local and federal levels. A legally protected “right to request” changes in work hours, schedules, or location, with protection from retaliation—modeled on the laws in the U.K., Australia, New Zealand, the Netherlands, and Germany—has been implemented in the state of Vermont and in San Francisco and Berkeley, California. These measures provide employees with caregiving responsibilities a right to request flexible work schedules or part-time work. Adopting recommendations from the Retail Workers Bill of Rights, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors has enacted new protections for hourly workers in retail chain stores, to require employers to provide more advance notice in setting and changing work schedules to make them more predictable. The protections include providing priority access to extra hours of work—if and when available—to those employees who explicitly request such hours, which could be a model way to help alleviate the chronic underemployment in the U.S. labor market. San Francisco requires paying workers who have not received sufficient advance notice of last-minute schedule changes for a portion of their hours lost, for “on-call” hours, for being scheduled on split shifts, and for instances in which they are sent home before completing their assigned shifts. Some employers have adopted various voluntary arrangements that might constitute model practices or minimum standards, including some large companies in the highly competitive retail sector. The experiences in cities could inform elements of reforms of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) at the national level, such as the proposed The Schedules that Work Act (H.R. 5159).
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Post by ntsf on Aug 21, 2021 21:23:15 GMT
another reason we have few chain retail outlets in san francisco... strong worker protection, high minimum wage, required health benefits.
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Post by Sharon on Aug 21, 2021 23:15:40 GMT
I’ve been listening to The Four Winds by Kristin Hannah while I walk. Has anyone else read this? It starts out in northern Texas before/during the dust bowl, and ends up in California where the dust bowl refugees are trying to make a living picking crops for the big farmers. All based on history, of course. There are so many parallels to modern life - not only the plight of refugees coming from awful conditions, but most especially the way lower-wage workers are treated today, with the system set up to make sure they stay poor so they have to continue producing for the rich corporations, and can never break out of that cycle. It’s sickening then and now. I've read it. I didn't like it though. it wasn't my kind of book. I had to force myself to finish it.
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 22, 2021 0:39:44 GMT
I listened to This American Life “Essential” today ( I think it was last week’s episode). It was saying a lot of what is being said here. It is well worth listening to, I think.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 22, 2021 1:11:50 GMT
Plus they closed their plant in Fairlawn NJ laying off all their workers
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Post by cakediva on Aug 22, 2021 1:49:06 GMT
Hubby is in same boat... Collision Repair shop, but small scale. We are down to a single bodyman who's in his 60's and my Husband that does everything else (paints, repairs, bookkeeper, estimates) ect. The other thing crushing us right now is all the cheapo insurance compaines or those insurance companies that tell customer you MUST go to their preferred shop or you won't get an estimate or a rental... or whatever else they tell them. Labor rates for auto repair (In Texas) have not been raised in years and years. We are set to get out of this business soon. It's all my husband and his family has ever done. His parents and brother have passed and now we just want to sell the property and be done. This is exactly what my DH is experiencing. If the insurance companies didn’t tell customers where they have to take their cars for repairs then a lot of these problems would never exist. If the insurance company gets pissy with one shop they cut them off & tell customers not to take their cars there. That is how much control insurance companies have over the collision business now. It must be different in the US than it is in Canada. I used to be the receptionist at a collision shop. And we would always tell clients that their insurance would tell them if they didn’t go to one of their preferred shops the work would not be guaranteed. But it is YOUR car, YOUR choice where to take it. And the company umbrella we were under (CSN) guaranteed the work anyway. It absolutely sucks that insurance has so much power over all this stuff. My DH is a Quality Control Manager at an automotive stamping plant. They pay well, yet are also struggling to get staff back/get new hires. They would rather make a bit less and stay home on unemployment doing no work at all.
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Post by busy on Aug 22, 2021 2:35:09 GMT
They would rather make a bit less and stay home on unemployment doing no work at all. Or they feel like there are not adequate safety measures in place in the workplace to go back. Or they don't have childcare available. Or any of many many many other things that have been mentioned in this thread beyond being lazy 🙄
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Post by ~summer~ on Aug 22, 2021 2:37:07 GMT
I’ve been listening to The Four Winds by Kristin Hannah while I walk. Has anyone else read this? It starts out in northern Texas before/during the dust bowl, and ends up in California where the dust bowl refugees are trying to make a living picking crops for the big farmers. All based on history, of course. There are so many parallels to modern life - not only the plight of refugees coming from awful conditions, but most especially the way lower-wage workers are treated today, with the system set up to make sure they stay poor so they have to continue producing for the rich corporations, and can never break out of that cycle. It’s sickening then and now. no but my book club just picked it - looking forward to it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 3:42:57 GMT
Plus they closed their plant in Fairlawn NJ laying off all their workers Oh,yeah. When the employer-employee relationship is no longer working for the employer, it's "f-you workers." When the employer-employee relationship is no longer working for the employee it's "Oh my god, they're so lazy, they're so shiftless, they're so spoiled!"
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Post by its me mg on Aug 22, 2021 6:36:14 GMT
I forgot. I have heard that many can’t find childcare so maybe that’s an issue. Weren’t a majority of jobs lost women and I thought it was thought that they needed to take care of children doing remote schooling? I know there are signs here everywhere but people keep posting online that they aren’t even hearing back after they apply. Then you hear the other side that says they try snd interview people snd more than half never even show or if they do and you hire that many don’t bother to show up. So who knows. I get burned by the applicant that never shows up alllll the time. I had 17 applicants set up for interviews last week. Of those 17, 3 showed up, of those 3 one was qualified and took the job. She quit before she did her new hire paperwork. It's awful. Most people who aren't showing it are doing it fulfill unemployment requirements - they state that you have to be actively looking for a job .... so they'll say "Yeah, I applied at all these places but just didn't get hired" and the states don't have the time or resource to confirm this so they just take your word for it. Technically, they *did* apply they just leave about the part where they didn't bother to show up.
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Post by its me mg on Aug 22, 2021 6:38:43 GMT
I don't have faith in our government to figure out what those "certain Situations" are. I agree with you though. OK, if you don't want to do your job anymore, then you need to be finding another one. And people home after having a baby shouldn't be getting paid unemployment! they would be home anyway, like you said. I don't think it would be that hard for the employer to just let the unemployment agency know that the person was offered their job back and if they don't take it, they lose their unemployment. When unemployment numbers are not that high right now, I don't know why this can't happen. I could see if it was way higher and there weren't enough employees to cover this, but it could just be a simple check mark on a website that the employer fills out. My understanding from the podcast was that they weren't doing this because people were given the option of "not feeling safe" because of the pandemic, which I think is BS in most circumstances. As a restaurant manager, I faced this struggle. A lot of my servers were not comfortable returning to work when they opened restaurants back up. At the time, it was understandable so we let them stay on unemployment. They took advantage of this as restrictions lightened and hours became available but we couldn't really question someone's comfort level even if we suspected it was bogus. As the pandemic went on, we reached the point where if the work environment made you uncomfortable maybe it's time to part ways - not because we were insensitive but because the reality is the work environment won't change for the foreseeable future, so maybe restaurant's aren't "for them" anymore so to speak. When it came down it, I lost 4 or 5 people who refused to come to work and we eventually reported them to the state.
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Post by imkat on Aug 22, 2021 11:58:45 GMT
Maybe this has been mentioned already, but do you think there will be an increase in vaccinations once unemployment and other benefits are reduced or phased out? Will there be people returning to the workplace who will want to get vaccinated if they are working with other people 8h/d? Or required to?
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Post by Peamac on Aug 22, 2021 16:00:58 GMT
My niece was living in NYC when Covid hit. Her restaurant job shut down indefinitely and she was on unemployment. She eventually moved back home and instead of getting a job there (plenty of jobs available there), she stayed on unemployment for several more months b/c she'd make more by not working than she would by getting a job. Recently moved to CA with some friends, but I don't know if she's working or still collecting unemployment.
A friend of mine was a bar/restaurant manager- once restaurants here opened back up again, a lot of her workers didn't come back. Again, they were making more in unemployment than they would by going back to work.
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Post by Merge on Aug 22, 2021 16:43:06 GMT
My niece was living in NYC when Covid hit. Her restaurant job shut down indefinitely and she was on unemployment. She eventually moved back home and instead of getting a job there (plenty of jobs available there), she stayed on unemployment for several more months b/c she'd make more by not working than she would by getting a job. Recently moved to CA with some friends, but I don't know if she's working or still collecting unemployment. A friend of mine was a bar/restaurant manager- once restaurants here opened back up again, a lot of her workers didn't come back. Again, they were making more in unemployment than they would by going back to work. I think employers have to look at whether they’re paying a living wage and have reasonable expectations for scheduling, and if they’re treating employees like human beings and requiring customers to do the same. Unemployment is not making anyone rich or even comfortable. It doesn’t provide health care and there’s no ladder for growth. How bad was the job if people think living on unemployment is better?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 22, 2021 17:38:18 GMT
I'm sure this is incredibly regionally dependent. Neither of my teens had any issue getting hired this summer. My son is always in demand as a lifeguard and this year was crazy as it was so difficult to get certified as covid restrictions made the recertification/certification process a nightmare. He could literally pick his job and hours as they were begging for certified guards and a ton of pools had to reduce hours as they couldn't get enough guards. My daughter put out a couple applications and was hired at Starbucks, she didn't take a ton of shifts as she was also hired as a counselor at a day camp for $18 an hour - 40 hours a week. She found Starbucks to be incredibly accommodating with flexible hours and availability, but perhaps she just was lucky with her manager.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 22, 2021 18:14:37 GMT
When I worked entry level, part-time jobs I always was hired for specific shifts. My kids and their friends have never experienced this. Their normal is to find out on a Thursday night what they are scheduled to work for the next week. where I work, the full-time production minimum-wage workers typically work 12 hour shifts 4 days a week, with cleaning and finishing up production runs on Friday. And they didn't find out until Wednesday or sometimes even Thursday, whether they had to work OT on that very same weekend or not! I think they might be doing a LITTLE better with that now... but probably not much. How can you have a life, spend time with your family, kids, etc. with those hours? You can't!
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 22, 2021 18:33:11 GMT
Maybe this has been mentioned already, but do you think there will be an increase in vaccinations once unemployment and other benefits are reduced or phased out? Will there be people returning to the workplace who will want to get vaccinated if they are working with other people 8h/d? Or required to? No, not when the unemployment bonus ends. More than 30 states already stopped it. There’s been a slight uptick in employment in those places, but not significant. There has been an increase in vaccinations, too but for other reasons. Primarily, people are scared of the delta variant. Or, they were taking a wait and see approach. There might be some people waiting for the full FDA approval. Vaccinations might increase when more employers require it. Regrettably, most of the people still unvaccinated have dug in their heels and refuse to get it. The only way to convince them is a discussion with a primary health care provider or other trusted person in health care. Or, if they’re required to get one for work or if we make life really inconvenient for them.
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Post by Merge on Aug 22, 2021 18:36:43 GMT
I'm sure this is incredibly regionally dependent. Neither of my teens had any issue getting hired this summer. My son is always in demand as a lifeguard and this year was crazy as it was so difficult to get certified as covid restrictions made the recertification/certification process a nightmare. He could literally pick his job and hours as they were begging for certified guards and a ton of pools had to reduce hours as they couldn't get enough guards. My daughter put out a couple applications and was hired at Starbucks, she didn't take a ton of shifts as she was also hired as a counselor at a day camp for $18 an hour - 40 hours a week. She found Starbucks to be incredibly accommodating with flexible hours and availability, but perhaps she just was lucky with her manager. Starbucks is known for being one of the few big corporate employers to provide consistent and reasonable schedules.
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Post by angel97701 on Aug 22, 2021 20:57:58 GMT
Our local hospital had a job fair hoping to bring in up to 1000 people at all levels. Guess how many people showed up? Sixteen! The local TV station interviewed an attendee. She said they were laid off 5/2020, their unemployment is running out so they figured the better start working! The population of our area is close to 100,000. There are help wanted signs everywhere.
For myself I fall into the "I can't work as much as before" due to childcare issues. As a parent of a FASD (adopted son from Russia 12 years ago), and the really weird always changing school schedule last year, I needed to be available for his transport and supervision. I am a substitute teacher who usually worked at least 1/2 time every year. Couple of long-term jobs too. But last year, all I could handle was 1/2 day jobs, unless DS was in school all day (which only happened fore 6 weeks). A few of my teachers were very understanding and I finished the school year for an AP Calculus teacher doing only 1/2 days as she had another math teacher cover her first period. It was a gratifying way to end the school year.
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