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Post by dewryce on Aug 12, 2021 21:29:05 GMT
The son (biological) of a friend of mine told her she is transitioning to a woman and they are interested in counseling to help her out. Can you offer some guidance as to how to find someone who specializes in this? Both individually for her daughter and also the family so they know how to best support her, and for any support they might need? I understand from reading here and what I’ve seen of my friend that it is a difficult time for parents as well. And could you also please share if you’ve found an online community that was helpful to you?
And a stupid question for myself. When referring to her (now) daughter in the past tense before she made this decision, do I use the pronoun she was living as at the point/time of the discussion’s subject/event, or basically grandfather-in her new pronoun? In other words, if I was talking about her birth would I use her or him? Right now I am using she, but I really want to get this right.
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Post by finsup on Aug 12, 2021 21:44:48 GMT
I don’t have any resources to share, but I can answer the pronoun question. According to my non-binary kid you use their current pronoun even when speaking of them in the past.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Aug 12, 2021 21:53:14 GMT
Are there any LGBTQ+/Equality groups or centers in her area. They will have plenty of connections to get them started as well as probably some groups meeting themselves. . And yes, even in past tense, you should refer to her as she/her if that is her chosen pronoun.
Is she in Texas?
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Post by peabay on Aug 12, 2021 21:57:28 GMT
I don’t have any resources to share, but I can answer the pronoun question. According to my non-binary kid you use their current pronoun even when speaking of them in the past. Absolutely agree - really don't ever use their "dead" name or pronoun.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 12, 2021 21:58:51 GMT
Are there any LGBTQ+/Equality groups or centers in her area. They will have plenty of connections to get them started as well as probably some groups meeting themselves. . And yes, even in past tense, you should refer to her as she/her if that is her chosen pronoun. Is she in Texas? Yes, near Austin, so even if her town doesn’t have a group I am sure she can find one there. Thanks!
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Aug 12, 2021 22:00:13 GMT
Are there any LGBTQ+/Equality groups or centers in her area. They will have plenty of connections to get them started as well as probably some groups meeting themselves. . And yes, even in past tense, you should refer to her as she/her if that is her chosen pronoun. Is she in Texas? Yes, near Austin, so even if her town doesn’t have a group I am sure she can find one there. Thanks! This one is located in Austin but they have info for all of Texas. www.equalitytexas.org/Here’s another good source. www.transtexas.org/
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Post by dewryce on Aug 12, 2021 22:01:28 GMT
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Post by deekaye on Aug 12, 2021 22:31:33 GMT
My knowledge is limited, however I had a Girl Scout who transitioned. Maybe it was because he transitioned as a minor (started at 17) but he had to go through lots of counseling before he started. This counseling was set up for him by his medical staff, he didn't have to search for it.
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Post by stittsygirl on Aug 12, 2021 22:36:48 GMT
Our transgender son had already been in counseling for about a year before he came out as transgender (prior to that he only identified as gay). We started with our pediatrician who gave us a list of names of those in our area who specialized in adolescent counseling, and from there we found a psychologist who primarily works with LGBTQ teens. We were just very fortunate to find her. Our son has been going to her for about three years, and part of his endocrinologist’s requirements for continued hormone therapy is that he stay in counseling. If we were still in Texas I would likely first inquire about counseling with my child’s pediatrician, but I would also reach out to any local LGBTQ groups and see if they have recommendations for therapists in the area. We, now, use male pronouns whenever we we talk to or about our son, past or present. But that can be a difficult transition for family and friends at first. He also once asked me to get rid of all the photos I had of him before he came out, but I told him I wouldn’t do that. I don’t display them but they are memories I and his father choose to keep. I think he understands that better now. Thank you for being such a good, supportive friend! ETA: I’m part of the Serendipitydodah group on Facebook and they have lots of support and resources for moms and families of LGBTQ kids.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 12, 2021 22:37:52 GMT
My knowledge is limited, however I had a Girl Scout who transitioned. Maybe it was because he transitioned as a minor (started at 17) but he had to go through lots of counseling before he started. This counseling was set up for him by his medical staff, he didn't have to search for it. She’s young as well and not to that point, so maybe her counseling now will count towards the required counseling when she gets there. I will definitely pass that along. Thank you.
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Post by deekaye on Aug 12, 2021 22:53:55 GMT
We, now, use male pronouns whenever we we talk to or about our son, past or present. But that can be a difficult transition for family and friends at first. He also once asked me to get rid of all the photos I had of him before he came out, ... I have often wondered about this. He was in my Girl Scout troop from grade school through high school. I have scrapbooks of all of our troop activities, hikes, camping, etc. and occasionally (1-2 times a year) will post a "remember when" photo on Facebook (these "kids" are all in their mid-late 20's) which are always met with laughs and fun comments. I've been careful not to post anything with him in it but it makes me feel weird though because I don't know if I'm being sensitive to him to not want his old life posted or am I being insensitive by not including him in the picture? Hmmm.....
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Post by stittsygirl on Aug 12, 2021 23:03:10 GMT
We, now, use male pronouns whenever we we talk to or about our son, past or present. But that can be a difficult transition for family and friends at first. He also once asked me to get rid of all the photos I had of him before he came out, ... I have often wondered about this. He was in my Girl Scout troop from grade school through high school. I have scrapbooks of all of our troop activities, hikes, camping, etc. and occasionally (1-2 times a year) will post a "remember when" photo on Facebook (these "kids" are all in their mid-late 20's) which are always met with laughs and fun comments. I've been careful not to post anything with him in it but it makes me feel weird though because I don't know if I'm being sensitive to him to not want his old life posted or am I being insensitive by not including him in the picture? Hmmm..... Maybe you could just reach out to him privately and ask him how he feels about it. I’m sure he would appreciate you being concerned about his feelings on the subject .
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 12, 2021 23:03:55 GMT
My son now daughter received a referral from the mental hospital after a suicide attempt. So that's how we found a therapist who specializes in gender dysphoria.
My DD is transitioning now. She has been taking hormones for about 6 months. She is still wanting us to call her he/him and by birth name. She isn't ready to tell the rest of the family yet but her body is starting to change. I just don't quite know what to do. I know from everything I've read and my own therapist that using correct pronouns and name is supposed to lower suicide risk. I want to be supportive but I'm not quite sure what to do because I don't want to push.
I know she has chosen the name Esther. I know that all during her hospital stays she asked the doctors and nurses and other health professionals to refer to her by that name and as she. So I know she's convicted that that's who she is.
I don't mean to hijack this thread but has anyone else experienced this?
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Post by deekaye on Aug 12, 2021 23:05:55 GMT
I have often wondered about this. He was in my Girl Scout troop from grade school through high school. I have scrapbooks of all of our troop activities, hikes, camping, etc. and occasionally (1-2 times a year) will post a "remember when" photo on Facebook (these "kids" are all in their mid-late 20's) which are always met with laughs and fun comments. I've been careful not to post anything with him in it but it makes me feel weird though because I don't know if I'm being sensitive to him to not want his old life posted or am I being insensitive by not including him in the picture? Hmmm..... Maybe you could just reach out to him privately and ask him how he feels about it. I’m sure he would appreciate you being concerned about his feelings on the subject . Thank you. As I was typing the above, I was thinking that very thing....
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Post by dewryce on Aug 12, 2021 23:37:47 GMT
stittsygirl Eeesh, get rid of photos? What a tough decision! On one hand, you want to respect their wishes; on the other, you should be able to have photos of your child as they grew up. I think I would have made the same decision and I’m glad they understand now. Thanks for the FB referral! jeremysgirl and anyone else please hijack away! Seriously, the more y’all share the more we can learn from you. And this is such an important thing to get right, ya know? I hate for your daughter, you and the rest of your family that it came to that, and it makes me sad that it’s so common. I so hope she is doing better now. eta: She’s 18 so it took a little while to get used to the name and pronoun switch, but not nearly as long as I expected…though I occasionally slip (not in her presence because I’m not in anyone’s presence these days!). DH switched almost immediately and has been great at pointing out when I slip. We have purposefully been over using her chosen name at home so that when we get to spend time with her it is automatic and natural. I’ve actually found that the hardest thing to switch has been the term ‘your boys” or ‘the boys’ when talking to my friend.
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 12, 2021 23:46:58 GMT
Thank you for asking this, I have been wondering about that as well. The other day I was watching an old Bionic Woman and Kaitlyn Jenner was the guest star, my husband was passing through the room and asked who was on the tv and I wasn’t sure if I should say Bruce Jenner or Kaitlyn Jenner. Same with the star of Juno. I was wondering about what was correct. Thank you for answering that we shouldn’t use the “dead name “ or pronoun, finsup and @peababy
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Post by melanell on Aug 13, 2021 0:29:16 GMT
If a specific situation comes up---like putting together old photos from earlier years of scouts, school, etc. as mentioned above, I definitely suggest just asking the individual. Since I do still scrapbook sometimes, and I'm decades behind, when that sort of question came up I privately asked the person in my life and they were very happy to be asked.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 13, 2021 1:38:40 GMT
The son (biological) of a friend of mine told her she is transitioning to a woman and they are interested in counseling to help her out. Can you offer some guidance as to how to find someone who specializes in this? Both individually for her daughter and also the family so they know how to best support her, and for any support they might need? I understand from reading here and what I’ve seen of my friend that it is a difficult time for parents as well. And could you also please share if you’ve found an online community that was helpful to you? And a stupid question for myself. When referring to her (now) daughter in the past tense before she made this decision, do I use the pronoun she was living as at the point/time of the discussion’s subject/event, or basically grandfather-in her new pronoun? In other words, if I was talking about her birth would I use her or him? Right now I am using she, but I really want to get this right. Current pronoun unless they tell you something different.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 13, 2021 1:45:36 GMT
stittsygirl Eeesh, get rid of photos? What a tough decision! On one hand, you want to respect their wishes; on the other, you should be able to have photos of your child as they grew up. I think I would have made the same decision and I’m glad they understand now. Thanks for the FB referral! jeremysgirl and anyone else please hijack away! Seriously, the more y’all share the more we can learn from you. And this is such an important thing to get right, ya know? I hate for your daughter, you and the rest of your family that it came to that, and it makes me sad that it’s so common. I so hope she is doing better now. eta: She’s 18 so it took a little while to get used to the name and pronoun switch, but not nearly as long as I expected…though I occasionally slip (not in her presence because I’m not in anyone’s presence these days!). DH switched almost immediately and has been great at pointing out when I slip. We have purposefully been over using her chosen name at home so that when we get to spend time with her it is automatic and natural. I’ve actually found that the hardest thing to switch has been the term ‘your boys” or ‘the boys’ when talking to my friend. Re: photos. It’s a reminder to the person transitioning of a person they never were. I participate in a group (I’m an ally) and listen to so many stories of those who have/are transitioning seeing photos of themselves before physically changing, that they feels as though they are looking at a stranger. It’s not them and they do not see them as “memories” to many it’s a reminder of a life of struggles, angst, depression… My relative HATES (to the point of anger/tears/trauma) to see photos of himself before (as a girl) absolutely hates it.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 13, 2021 1:49:16 GMT
I’m glad y’all brought that up because I would never consider it, and I don’t think my friend has either. So thank you, because I was able to give her advance notice that it might come up so she has time to get her head around it. She’d be fabulous in her response anyway, but this way hopefully it helps her brace for that emotional shock.
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Post by stittsygirl on Aug 13, 2021 2:09:21 GMT
stittsygirl Eeesh, get rid of photos? What a tough decision! On one hand, you want to respect their wishes; on the other, you should be able to have photos of your child as they grew up. I think I would have made the same decision and I’m glad they understand now. Thanks for the FB referral! jeremysgirl and anyone else please hijack away! Seriously, the more y’all share the more we can learn from you. And this is such an important thing to get right, ya know? I hate for your daughter, you and the rest of your family that it came to that, and it makes me sad that it’s so common. I so hope she is doing better now. eta: She’s 18 so it took a little while to get used to the name and pronoun switch, but not nearly as long as I expected…though I occasionally slip (not in her presence because I’m not in anyone’s presence these days!). DH switched almost immediately and has been great at pointing out when I slip. We have purposefully been over using her chosen name at home so that when we get to spend time with her it is automatic and natural. I’ve actually found that the hardest thing to switch has been the term ‘your boys” or ‘the boys’ when talking to my friend. Re: photos. It’s a reminder to the person transitioning of a person they never were. I participate in a group (I’m an ally) and listen to so many stories of those who have/are transitioning seeing photos of themselves before physically changing, that they feels as though they are looking at a stranger. It’s not them and they do not see them as “memories” to many it’s a reminder of a life of struggles, angst, depression… My relative HATES (to the point of anger/tears/trauma) to see photos of himself before (as a girl) absolutely hates it. Which is why I don’t have any pre-transition photos of my son displayed anywhere in our home or on social media. I don’t even have group family photos from years past on display. I do still keep all those photos and the memories that go with them for myself though. It’s not like my son as a human being and my child just magically appeared at 14, even though that was a form of rebirth for him. I have 14 years worth of photos (including many scrapbook pages) that are valuable to me, but I never show them to him. It’s difficult because he has three other siblings who are also in many of those photos I value and would like to display, but I try to respect his wishes I’ll admit it is bittersweet for me to look at those pre-transition photos when I knew him as my daughter, but keeping them for myself doesn’t mean I don’t fully support and love my son as my son.
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Post by littlemama on Aug 13, 2021 2:29:07 GMT
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Aug 13, 2021 8:40:14 GMT
Hijack from me. What happens with official (medical/tax/legal) references to names? Are they still required/allowed to use the new name/pronoun? Do they have to change their name/pronoun legally somewhere? (I've been known by a shortened version of my given name for my whole life. Even though there is an option on my GP's medical record for "chosen name", ALL my medical calls and letters address me by my full given name, even when I ask them "please call me R" twice every conversation. On the other hand, it helps me to feel that all this cancer stuff is happening to a different me from the normal me.)
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Post by mom2jnk on Aug 13, 2021 13:47:13 GMT
Thank you for this thread. It is very timely and valuable to me.
The twenty year old son of one of my best friends has struggled with gender identity for several years and they have revealed to their parents that they would like to be called by a different chosen name, consider themselves bisexual, and I learned last week, considering transitioning. The rest of their family (including my best friend) is deeply religious and have told them that they are mistaken and that they can't possibly be bisexual, and that "acting on homosexual impulses is a sin and an affront to Jesus." I am just sick at their treatment of this young person that I love as much as my own. They are one of my DD's best friends and they have a group of supporting and affirming friends and a safe space in our home with us but I worry so much. I do think this will be the end of a lifelong friendship as my friend is unwilling to acknowledge or speak of this with me. I welcome all ideas of how to be more affirming and supportive because I am deeply concerned for the mental health of this young person that we love.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 13:59:30 GMT
Thank you for this thread. It is very timely and valuable to me. The twenty year old son of one of my best friends has struggled with gender identity for several years and they have revealed to their parents that they would like to be called by a different chosen name, consider themselves bisexual, and I learned last week, considering transitioning. The rest of their family (including my best friend) is deeply religious and have told them that they are mistaken and that they can't possibly be bisexual, and that "acting on homosexual impulses is a sin and an affront to Jesus." I am just sick at their treatment of this young person that I love as much as my own. They are one of my DD's best friends and they have a group of supporting and affirming friends and a safe space in our home with us but I worry so much. I do think this will be the end of a lifelong friendship as my friend is unwilling to acknowledge or speak of this with me. I welcome all ideas of how to be more affirming and supportive because I am deeply concerned for the mental health of this young person that we love. That is everything I hate about religion in a nutshell. I doubt they have this reaction to the problems of poverty or other things Jesus railed about. But when it comes to genitalia or sexuality suddenly they all care very much what God thinks, or supposedly thinks.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 13, 2021 15:21:52 GMT
Thank you for this thread. It is very timely and valuable to me. The twenty year old son of one of my best friends has struggled with gender identity for several years and they have revealed to their parents that they would like to be called by a different chosen name, consider themselves bisexual, and I learned last week, considering transitioning. The rest of their family (including my best friend) is deeply religious and have told them that they are mistaken and that they can't possibly be bisexual, and that "acting on homosexual impulses is a sin and an affront to Jesus." I am just sick at their treatment of this young person that I love as much as my own. They are one of my DD's best friends and they have a group of supporting and affirming friends and a safe space in our home with us but I worry so much. I do think this will be the end of a lifelong friendship as my friend is unwilling to acknowledge or speak of this with me. I welcome all ideas of how to be more affirming and supportive because I am deeply concerned for the mental health of this young person that we love. I’d think the best thing you can do is talk to him, tell him that you disagree with his family’s stance on this subject (without attacking his family make it about their beliefs on it, not about the people), and reinforce that he has your family’s full love & support. Perhaps offer, or have your daughter offer resources such as the organizations linked above. Or maybe just do the research so you have it available if/when the topic comes up. Is it appropriate to ask what his preferred pronouns are, or is that something that we should wait to be brought up by them? I’m sorry about the loss of your friend, but I understand.
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Post by Ryann on Aug 13, 2021 17:43:46 GMT
My husband of almost 15 years has recently come out as being transgender. My husband is now my wife. She is 50 yo, so obviously in a very different phase of life as those with children/young adults going through this now. She is very much "out" to everyone we care about in our life - and has made the transition on social media for anyone else to see. I think a lot of people are confused by gender and sexuality as if they are one and the same; when they are most certainly NOT. We have both been asked questions like "does that mean you like men now?" "does that make you a lesbian?", etc. I think it's a very personal decision in regards to dead names and old photos, etc. My wife has no desire to "erase" her old name and photos - she feels it is still her history, even if she was not her correct gender at the time. Her son still calls her "dad". Our two cats are still being told "dad" for her and me as "mom", etc. She has a new name and new pronouns, even if her physical body doesn't currently reflect "her". It might someday. We were able to find several therapists specializing in gender issues through the local LGBTQ centers, so she is working with one to help her through this transition. I know I would benefit from it as well, but I'm not quite there yet. I don't view what my wife is doing as a transition, but more of an alignment. She's becoming more of who she's always been. If anyone wants to message me privately, please feel free to do so. I'm also happy to converse in "public", too.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 13, 2021 18:13:37 GMT
Ryann Thank you for sharing your story and for the offer to pea mail you. As this progresses if I have new questions I will take you up on that. I think it will be especially helpful as it is a new experience for you too. I really appreciate it. And I like your use of the term alignment, I’ll share that with her!
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Post by questioning on Aug 13, 2021 18:18:36 GMT
Ryann, alignment is a lovely term! I only know two people, an old high school friend and a not-super-close friend's child (now adult). I haven't had to grapple with this up close and personal. Because of that I appreciate threads like this for insight and education. Thank you for sharing, you're helping make the world a smarter and I hope kinder place.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 13, 2021 18:26:43 GMT
Ryann, alignment is a lovely term! I only know two people, an old high school friend and a not-super-close friend's child (now adult). I haven't had to grapple with this up close and personal. Because of that I appreciate threads like this for insight and education. Thank you for sharing, you're helping make the world a smarter and I hope kinder place. I haven’t dealt with it either and I realize as I read these threads that I am confused about some of it. I do learn things though, so I appreciate the responses.
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