paget
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Post by paget on Aug 13, 2021 23:36:09 GMT
It doesn’t bother me and I use it - but only in encouraging ways at appropriate times. I’ve never heard it or been the recipient of it in a dismissive or toxic fashion but I see how that could be the case (as with any comments, really).
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 13, 2021 23:56:16 GMT
“You’ve got this, mama!” And “hang in there!” Are two phrases I would love to never hear again. I’m not your mama, I didn’t give birth to you so don’t call me that. I've never had someone call me mama in that fashion
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Post by scrapmaven on Aug 14, 2021 0:02:49 GMT
I never thought of it as anything but encouraging. Now I'm re-thinking it.
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Post by Merge on Aug 14, 2021 0:07:03 GMT
“You’ve got this, mama!” And “hang in there!” Are two phrases I would love to never hear again. I’m not your mama, I didn’t give birth to you so don’t call me that. I've never had someone call me mama in that fashion It’s worse when they spell it momma. Makes me want to gag. My bipolar anorexic child is a lot to deal with these days …. “You’ve got this, momma!” Good thing you’re not right in front of me because I’d probably throat punch you.
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The Great Carpezio
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Aug 14, 2021 0:07:13 GMT
Context matters. If it is something light/fun/normal day to day—like my son, a hockey goalie, heading into net for a game, I don’t think it is “toxic”—-it is more of a parting shot of “go get ‘em” after other affirmations/discussions.
Someone is going through some really bad and hard stuff and/or given an impossible situation to navigate? It is dismissive and possibly toxic/condescending.
I don’t say it much, and if I do, I only use it for lighter life moments.
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Post by Merge on Aug 14, 2021 0:10:48 GMT
I think it’s a fine line - with someone you know well, grumbling or struggling a bit with everyday stuff, random words of encouragement are perfectly fine.
To someone - particularly an internet stranger - dealing with, say, a child’s illness, or imminent homelessness, or unrealistic expectations they didn’t sign up for, or having worked their third shift in three days where an unvaccinated Covid patient died, it’s pretty rude.
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Post by melanell on Aug 14, 2021 2:06:41 GMT
I just remembered where I heard this phrase used quite often recently. My youngest was virtually schooled most of last year, and had 2 teachers who taught the core subjects, and one of them said this a lot. It was almost always when they were prepping for a quiz/test, and it was a lot like the gymnastics example given earlier. She would remind the kids that they had been doing these kind of math problems every day, both in class and at home and that they had reviewed the unit the day before the test, and that she really felt that they all had a good grasp of how to do the problems simply because they had practiced them so often. Likewise when they had a science or history quiz, she'd remind them how they all gave presentations or how they played games with all the facts and concepts. And she'd end with "You got this, guys! I know you do!" But she also always invited them to contact her if they did feel that they needed more help. So she wasn't dismissing the possibility that someone might still feel nervous or overwhelmed. So I heard it a LOT over the course of the year, and it always sounded very positive and very sincere. And that definitely makes the difference, I think, in my current gut reaction to the phrase being primarily a good one. But, I think that's the way with any phrase or saying. Take "Bless your heart!". There are times when people absolutely say that with kindness, affection, concern. And there are times when it is said in place of "Well aren't you a complete moron??" Same with the old "Boys will be boys." When my 95 year old aunt says that because her nephews just tracked mud across her living room and their moms are freaking out, she's just trying to say that she understands that these things happen sometimes, and she's just so glad people come to visit her, even if there needs to be a clean-up mid-visit. But if someone uses it to try to excuse terrible behavior, or to make it seem that some behaviors are fine for boys but not girls, then those are completely different situations, and it's totally unacceptable as far as I'm concerned. Basically, anyone can take something that was meant to have a positive meaning, and make it feel negative---either on purpose or just by not thinking things through before saying it. And I think we all have some phrases that we have a harder time seeing positive in than others, as well as having phrases that we like to use, despite other people disliking them.
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Post by Legacy Girl on Aug 14, 2021 3:44:44 GMT
I’m on several breast cancer support groups and see survivors saying this to newly-diagnosed people all the time. I take it to mean, “I’ve been in the same position and remember how overwhelming it was.” That doesn’t strike me as toxic. I think most people mean it in a supportive way. I don't in any way doubt the sincerity or encouragement these people have expressed. For me, however, an illness situation is the one situation where I try NOT to use this phrase. I have struggled through very serious illness myself and also supported family members through a variety of major health crises. The reality is that we can't really know how well people are coping emotionally, and therefore, I wouldn't want to come off as dismissive. And realistically, we can't know that they will be successful in making it through what they're facing physically, either. In any case, for me, it's best to avoid the phrase. But to each his/her own, to be sure.
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cycworker
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Post by cycworker on Aug 14, 2021 5:43:57 GMT
It is all situational. In some cases, yes, it's horribly dismissive - for example, when used to minimize what people are going through with this pandemic. As Merge noted, too many people are saying it to our frontline workers instead of actually taking steps to make things better for them. It can be a platitude to avoid providing real support.
The issue of children & resilience is similar. There is very good research to show that some children, quite frankly, ARE resilient. Those children have enough of a combination of protective factors in their lives to quite often outweigh the stressors in their lives. My niece & nephew are very resilient kids. The children of a couple of folks I follow on Instagram are very resilient (these are 3=5 year old children; they can't fake it.
Other kids, who don't have the advantages these children do (ie economic security, strong attachment to caregivers, two parent homes - and no I'm not saying that in & of it self not being in a 2 parent home dooms a kid to not being resilient) aren't as able to roll with the proverbial punches.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 14, 2021 9:46:43 GMT
If something happens or there’s a shift in work at work, we as a team will assure one another that “we’ve got this!”.
I’ve never heard that’s it’s a negative thing or toxic!
ETA: I don’t think I’d ever use it to say it to someone going through a health issue! I cannot imagine telling a person who has cancer, an illness, or depression “you’ve got this”! 😳
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luckyjune
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Post by luckyjune on Aug 14, 2021 15:47:30 GMT
People have become more aware of potentially toxic positivity through the pandemic, as so many were tasked with the ridiculous and impossible to keep society going. When people would mention that they were stressed, overwhelmed, depressed, etc. to someone who was working or staying comfortably at home, the response “You got this” is incredibly tone deaf. Healthcare and education get/got those kinds of toxic encouragements a lot. Working the equivalent if two jobs with no budget? “You got this!” Dealing with angry patients/parents? Tired of working long hours for low pay? “You’re not in it for the money, right? You all make such a difference!” Tired of putting yourself at risk while half the country acts like there is no pandemic? “You all are heroes!” So a lot of it is simply time and place. “You got this” is appropriate for a friend or child needing a little encouragement in a normal situation. To someone articulating real problems and expressing anger and frustration about them, it’s dismissive and rude. We need to start validating each other’s concerns instead of dismissing them. Spot on. The culture of toxic positivity that developed over the last three years (coordinating with the arrival of the current principal) is one of the reasons I left the school and teaching. It's amazing how many people are willing to step up and pretend there are no concerns for a few pats on the head. It was gross.
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luckyjune
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Post by luckyjune on Aug 14, 2021 15:49:46 GMT
I just sent a text to DS's girlfriend that said, "You've got this!" She was going into her second interview at an art museum for her dream job. I always see/use the statement as encouragement.
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Post by Merge on Aug 14, 2021 16:06:53 GMT
People have become more aware of potentially toxic positivity through the pandemic, as so many were tasked with the ridiculous and impossible to keep society going. When people would mention that they were stressed, overwhelmed, depressed, etc. to someone who was working or staying comfortably at home, the response “You got this” is incredibly tone deaf. Healthcare and education get/got those kinds of toxic encouragements a lot. Working the equivalent if two jobs with no budget? “You got this!” Dealing with angry patients/parents? Tired of working long hours for low pay? “You’re not in it for the money, right? You all make such a difference!” Tired of putting yourself at risk while half the country acts like there is no pandemic? “You all are heroes!” So a lot of it is simply time and place. “You got this” is appropriate for a friend or child needing a little encouragement in a normal situation. To someone articulating real problems and expressing anger and frustration about them, it’s dismissive and rude. We need to start validating each other’s concerns instead of dismissing them. Spot on. The culture of toxic positivity that developed over the last three years (coordinating with the arrival of the current principal) is one of the reasons I left the school and teaching. It's amazing how many people are willing to step up and pretend there are no concerns for a few pats on the head. It was gross. Absolutely the worst when it comes from inside the school. "Whatever it takes" is not a reasonable job requirement. Another ridiculous requirement followed by "do it for the kids" should be banned entirely.
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kibblesandbits
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Post by kibblesandbits on Aug 14, 2021 16:07:40 GMT
It's dismissive and vague, and is a conversation ender. I hate the phrase, and never use it.
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Post by Merge on Aug 14, 2021 16:15:21 GMT
It's dismissive and vague, and is a conversation ender. I hate the phrase, and never use it. That's a good way of putting it - it's basically the other person saying they don't want to hear about it any more, conversation over.
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kibblesandbits
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Post by kibblesandbits on Aug 14, 2021 16:20:14 GMT
It's dismissive and vague, and is a conversation ender. I hate the phrase, and never use it. That's a good way of putting it - it's basically the other person saying they don't want to hear about it any more, conversation over. Exactly.
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