The Elephant in the room. Afghanistan

(I cut out my post for space)

I don't have to agree with people to see value in their arguments. And I don't think that being 98 years old precludes you from still being a highly intelligent person. I understand completely about his role in Vietnam and sympathize with you (my dad served at that time.)

But I also want to see analysis of what is happening, what already happened, and where we go from here. Without snarkiness, from a variety of opinions. I suspect we have similar political leanings, but what you call "armchair" I call facing history as it happens.

Sure it is an asshole comment!!

Don jr took a photo that had zero to do with his comment snd spread it all over the internet, he lied. Knowingly lied.

Pretty funny that you didn’t even notice, nor have a comment on the fact that it was trump jr circulating the photo with his caption of weakness and he was most definitely wrong and not even remotely close to truth or fact on the image.

Typical of you—support a liar. Anything to “own those Libs” right?


This photo was one of total exasperation during the response/question that President Biden was responding to Fox’s clown “reporter” Peter Doocey —the dude that Jen Psaki takes down with his inaccuracies on an almost daily basis. Doocey couldn’t even acknowledge a fact, when President Biden asked him directly.

This is the first article that popped up just now.
Although I did read one yesterday. I will try to find it.

Afghan All-Girls Robotics Team Tells Oklahoma Woman to Stop Taking Credit for Rescue
‘WHITE SAVIOR’ SYNDROME

Barbie Latza Nadeau
Correspondent-At-Large
Published Aug. 27, 2021 4:01AM ET

A lawyer for the Digital Citizen Fund, which supports the all-girls “Afghan Dreamers” robotics team who recently escaped from Afghanistan, has sent a formal cease-and-desist letter to an Oklahoma woman who claims she helped rescue the girls. Allyson Reneau has been told to stop bragging to media outlets that she “saved” the girls from the Taliban. “Continuingly recycling old pictures with the Afghan Girls Robotics Team, many of whom are minors, as validation that you had anything to do with their immensely stressful and dangerous escape not only impacts the safety of the girls but it also significantly affects the safety of the members of the team who still remain in Afghanistan,” lawyer Kim Motley wrote to Reneau, according to the Washington Post. “It is highly unfortunate that you would use such a tragically horrible situation … for what appears to be your own personal gain.”

The Qatari Foreign Ministry, which did help rescue the girls, additionally accused Reneau of playing “white savior” in the girls rescue. Reneau insists that she did help the girls. “‘I’m above board, and if you don’t tell the truth, then you have nothing else to show for it,” she told the Washington Post, adding that she confused by the “blowback” against her.

www.thedailybeast.com/afghan-all-girls-robotics-team-tells-oklahoma-woman-to-stop-taking-credit-for-rescue

angel97701
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Try this one
MEXICO CITY, Aug 24 (Reuters) - Five members of an all-girl Afghan robotics team and more than a hundred media workers have arrived in Mexico, fleeing an uncertain future at home after the recent collapse of the U.S.-backed government and takeover by the Taliban militant group.
www.reuters.com/world/afghan-all-girl-robotics-team-members-land-mexico-2021-08-25/
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For those who haven’t seen it, this is a fascinating rescue story.

abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-special-operations-vets-carry-daring-mission-save/story?id=79670236

Ahhh, it’s very clear to me now now why nobody in your life wants to celebrate you and your birthday. Maybe you should take the hint.

My mother actually has dementia.  Joe Biden clearly does not.  You are a vile person who maybe should do a little self reflection.  

The allies do not want to stay. What they wanted was an orderly and organised withdrawal and evacuation. The way you phrased it is very telling; clearly to you only America's opinion counts.

Unfortunately that seems to be your government's view too, and actually answers the second part of your question. The allies can't stay, or increase troop numbers or bring in air cover, because the US made promises on behalf of itself and its allies WITHOUT consulting its allies.

The figure of 300000 is disputed. A large chunk of the people were trained as a police force, not an army.

From the article above:
"The Pineapple Express' mission was underway Thursday when the attack occurred in Kabul. Two suicide bombers believed to have been ISIS fighters killed at least 13 U.S. service members -- 10 U.S. Marines, a Navy corpsman and an Army soldier and one to be determined -- and wounded 15 other service members, according to U.S. officials."

This is the kind of reporting that really pisses me off. You would think that these were the only casualties of the blast. Your ABC seems to believe that only American lives matter.

Contrast that to the Australian ABC reporting:
"At least 60 people including 13 US troops were killed in two bomb blasts orchestrated by Islamic State (IS) group off-shoot ISIS-K." from here www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100411880

Yeah.
And I don't know who kept calling Biden a "sick f@ck" on this thread, and I don't want to go back and read it all again, but what about the "sick f@ck" who let 5,000 TERRORISTS out of prison, one of whom is now ruling Afghanistan? And what about the two "sick fuck$" who negotiated a deal with the terrorists who are now ruling Afghanistan? Why are those facts continually glossed over by those who only want to talk about how inept Biden is? To my mind, it was ineptitude at it's finest that led us to this shitshow.

This seems bad:

“ On Thursday, suicide bombers killed scores of people outside the Kabul airport, including at least 12 American service members. Congressional Republicans snapped into action, demanding that President Joe Biden resign or be impeached. It’s the latest outburst in a string of political opportunism. For weeks, Republicans have been all over cable TV, lambasting Biden for withdrawing troops. They’ve professed dismay that thousands of jailed Taliban fighters were released from prison, that al-Qaida operatives are still in Afghanistan, and that the American president accepted a Taliban deadline to get out. All of these complaints are phony. Nearly everything the Republicans are decrying happened last year. But Republicans defended or ignored it, because the president who engineered those concessions was Donald Trump.

On Feb. 29, 2020, the Trump administration signed a deal with the Taliban to pull all American troops out of Afghanistan by May 1, 2021. The deal also required the Afghan government to release 5,000 imprisoned Taliban fighters. Hawks called the agreement weak and dangerous, but Kevin McCarthy, the House minority leader, advised them not to speak out against it. In March 2020, at hearings of the House Armed Services Committee, some lawmakers worried about the deal, but most, including Reps. Jim Banks and Matt Gaetz, said nothing about it. Another Republican member of the committee, Rep. Mo Brooks, expressed his impatience to pull out, noting that American forces had long ago “destroyed al-Qaida’s operational capability” in Afghanistan.”


There’s more:

Link: slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/08/republicans-phony-complaints-afghanistan-exit-trump.html

Three more Marine bases will be accepting and processing refugees

Evacuees will be flying out until the last flight.

First of all, I am not Joe Biden's biggest fan. He wasn't my first, second or even 3rd choice for president when he announced his candidacy. But if you think he is more inept than Trump, I don't even know what to say to you. 

He isn't exhibiting dementia. He has a stutter, that he works hard to overcome. He has said that it is worse when he is stressed, and he has to really stop and think before he speaks to not stutter. And I saw the putting his head down on the podium as someone overcome with emotion and frustration. When he did that, my first thought was "Oh NO! Fox News and the Trumpers are going to have a hey day with that!"  

Where were you when Trump was mocking a handicapped reporter? That was A OK for all you Trump lovers, but Biden putting his down on the podium in frustration and emotion, and thinking before he speaks, is a sign of dementia. SMDH I don't even know why I bother because I know that not one of you here will ever ever ever say one negative thing about Trump. Can even one of you admit that Trump should never have negotiated a deal with the Taliban and most definitely should never have let all those terrorists out of prison? Or are you really ok with that?