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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 18, 2021 10:32:29 GMT
I had my response all typed up and was reading it one last time and the electricity went out along with the WiFi . So I get to start again. Where is your proof there is a CYA operation going on in the intelligence community? Seriously where is your proof? For that matter where was this armchair expert’s proof? In case you haven’t noticed there is a huge misinformation problem in this country. Too many people buy into that old saying “if you read it on the internet it must be true”. And that’s a problem because many do absolutely no fact checking or even the minimum of questioning about what they are reading. If someone makes a statement then by golly it must be true never mind if there are no facts to back up the statement.Now you have this guy make this statement in such a way that it must be right. ”please understand that you're covering a massive CYA operation within the Pentagon and the Intelligence Community and provide context in keeping with that.” Is it? Where is his proof? Was he in anyway part of the decision making gang or does he have first hand knowledge of the Pentagon/Intelligence community blowing it or is he just speculating? Do you know? None of us know and without providing proof of what he is saying is true, he probably doesn’t either. And that’s a problem because people will believe him. You might want to keep in mind what I bolded the next time you copy and paste another Twitter post here or an article from one of the armchair experts you like to follow. 98% of the people on this board believe everything you and a few others post to be 100% true, they don’t bother to question it or fact check. Playing the ‘cover your ass’ game in DC is as routine to them as breathing. Always has been and always will be. We have the last administration as 100% evidence of CYA, as most of their “work” ended in CYA, riddled with disaster, lies and bullcrap based on a liar who refused advise of those in positions that knew better. They were the biggest liars in the history of the White House. The difference is republicans will deny/disallow hearings, work against having them—unless it a Democrat in the hot seat. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 18, 2021 12:37:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 12:48:17 GMT
With the video of all the boys/men climbing on the plane about to take off... why are there literally no women/girls/kids? I understand that women are (rightfully) fearful of leaving their homes but I can't imagine my husband abandoning me at home and trying to leave the country? It's all horrific- and things like Cruz and Boebert 🤮 They've managed to make things worse on Twitter. Not particular to the photo you are referring to but charities have hit out at other photos with only men as being deliberately cropped by some social media and other media outlets. Why would anyone want to do that except to stir the pot and spread misinformation is beyond me LINK |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 14:42:23 GMT
What I do hold Trump responsible for is that he allowed the release of many of the fighters that are responsible for the take over you see before you. What is the stance of other middle Eastern countries in regards to how things have been in Afghanistan? Do they support the Taliban? I was just wondering if it would be better for other middle Eastern countries to have a bigger role in the country since they seem to have a better understanding of the culture, religion, and way of life? Sorry it has taken a while to respond. IMO, other ME countries don't want to get involved. I mean they have their own problems keeping a lid on the radical Muslims in their own countries (Morocco included). The Taliban claim that they follow Sharia law, but it is their own perverted interpretation. Islam says that God wants people to read (I am totally paraphrasing) but education is important. I honestly have not hear that there is any support for the Taliban in the ME. Also, depending on who one supports, assets can be frozen...all types of political pressure. So most just stay out of it. Also, don't forget that the ME is STILL third world countries. They simply do not have the military, the money nor the resources to tackle a hornet's nest that is the Taliban. I mean KSA is already dealing with the Houthis in Yemen. Libya continues to have problems. Even Morocco has ongoing issues with the whole Western Sahara thing. Algeria and Morocco have a closed border between them. Not to mention, if you get a bunch of Arabs together to try and work together, you are going to have five different game plans. I would not say they are the best at working together cohesively! I would imagine at the base of it all, most countries would step back and say if the U.S. could not defeat them...then how could we? |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 18, 2021 14:43:03 GMT
I had my response all typed up and was reading it one last time and the electricity went out along with the WiFi . So I get to start again. Where is your proof there is a CYA operation going on in the intelligence community? Seriously where is your proof? For that matter where was this armchair expert’s proof? In case you haven’t noticed there is a huge misinformation problem in this country. Too many people buy into that old saying “if you read it on the internet it must be true”. And that’s a problem because many do absolutely no fact checking or even the minimum of questioning about what they are reading. If someone makes a statement then by golly it must be true never mind if there are no facts to back up the statement.Now you have this guy make this statement in such a way that it must be right. ”please understand that you're covering a massive CYA operation within the Pentagon and the Intelligence Community and provide context in keeping with that.” Is it? Where is his proof? Was he in anyway part of the decision making gang or does he have first hand knowledge of the Pentagon/Intelligence community blowing it or is he just speculating? Do you know? None of us know and without providing proof of what he is saying is true, he probably doesn’t either. And that’s a problem because people will believe him. You might want to keep in mind what I bolded the next time you copy and paste another Twitter post here or an article from one of the armchair experts you like to follow. 98% of the people on this board believe everything you and a few others post to be 100% true, they don’t bother to question it or fact check.Playing the ‘cover your ass’ game in DC is as routine to them as breathing. Always has been and always will be. I strongly disagree with this statement. Some of the posters here are well read and up to date on the news. Many of us get our news from multiple sources. Personally, I come here for a discussion, not to get news. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 14:44:18 GMT
They need to do ALL they can to get as many people out. Because the Taliban WILL KILL anyone that gave aid to the opposition. I hate them so much.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 14:44:24 GMT
What I think is this, we don’t know the whole story about what and why it happened and the Biden Administration may not even know why it played out the way it did either. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 14:46:43 GMT
You might want to keep in mind what I bolded the next time you copy and paste another Twitter post here or an article from one of the armchair experts you like to follow. 98% of the people on this board believe everything you and a few others post to be 100% true, they don’t bother to question it or fact check.Playing the ‘cover your ass’ game in DC is as routine to them as breathing. Always has been and always will be. Lord have mercy Jeezus!!!!!! If THAT bolded statement is NOT the pot calling the kettle black...then I do not know what is! |
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Post by used2scrap on Aug 18, 2021 14:52:38 GMT
What I think is this, we don’t know the whole story about what and why it happened and the Biden Administration may not even know why it played out the way it did either. All the more reason for the free press and congress to be doing their jobs to try and sort it all out. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 18, 2021 14:56:31 GMT
Lord have mercy Jeezus!!!!!! If THAT bolded statement is NOT the pot calling the kettle black...then I do not know what is! She probably gets her news from one source, Fox News. So, that statement doesn’t include her, because she gets her news from a “real” news source. And what they present is always factual, right?  All of the other media outlets (with the exception of OAN and NewsMax) can just be dismissed outright because they’re “fake news” or left wing media. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 18, 2021 15:38:01 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 18, 2021 15:41:06 GMT
I had my response all typed up and was reading it one last time and the electricity went out along with the WiFi . So I get to start again. Where is your proof there is a CYA operation going on in the intelligence community? Seriously where is your proof? For that matter where was this armchair expert’s proof? In case you haven’t noticed there is a huge misinformation problem in this country. Too many people buy into that old saying “if you read it on the internet it must be true”. And that’s a problem because many do absolutely no fact checking or even the minimum of questioning about what they are reading. If someone makes a statement then by golly it must be true never mind if there are no facts to back up the statement.Now you have this guy make this statement in such a way that it must be right. ”please understand that you're covering a massive CYA operation within the Pentagon and the Intelligence Community and provide context in keeping with that.” Is it? Where is his proof? Was he in anyway part of the decision making gang or does he have first hand knowledge of the Pentagon/Intelligence community blowing it or is he just speculating? Do you know? None of us know and without providing proof of what he is saying is true, he probably doesn’t either. And that’s a problem because people will believe him. You might want to keep in mind what I bolded the next time you copy and paste another Twitter post here or an article from one of the armchair experts you like to follow. 98% of the people on this board believe everything you and a few others post to be 100% true, they don’t bother to question it or fact check. Playing the ‘cover your ass’ game in DC is as routine to them as breathing. Always has been and always will be. I highly doubt that 98% of the people on this board believe “everything that I and few others post to be 100% true”. Congratulations I think you just insulted 98% of the people on this board to try and make a point. As to my bolded part. That is your opinion. My opinion is that I’m going to wait and see what develops. I find it refreshing that the Democrats are calling for hearings to get to the bottom of what happened in Afghanistan. And what part if any that agreement trump signed with the Taliban had on what happened in Afghanistan. @zingermack posted an interesting tweet and if any of it is true that certainly makes things even more interesting. |
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Post by Megan on Aug 18, 2021 16:21:50 GMT
Just wanted to say I have now seen some snippets of video of people passing babies and kids toward the front of lines for planes.
I'm going to cuddle my kids for an after lunch movie.
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Post by stittsygirl on Aug 18, 2021 16:41:18 GMT
Just wanted to say I have now seen some snippets of video of people passing babies and kids toward the front of lines for planes. I'm going to cuddle my kids for an after lunch movie. My adopted Vietnamese sister was one of the babies airlifted out of Saigon. It’s just a heartbreaking situation all around, but I hope especially that the children are taken care of. I know they can’t all get out though  . |
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Post by Bridget in MD on Aug 18, 2021 17:13:03 GMT
This is from my friend who works for the UN. I believe she's stationed in Iraq.  This makes me angrier than almost anything else I have seen. 😡🤯 We are all despairing right now. But #humanitarians have promised to #stayanddeliver. If you feel moved to help and are able to do so, please consider donating to the UN Pooled Fund for #Afghanistan which will be given directly to organizations on the ground: crisisrelief.un.org/afghanistan-crisis |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 18, 2021 17:21:40 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 18, 2021 18:23:06 GMT
They are terrorist you idiot!!!
I made the mistake of listening to what the idiot had to say.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 18, 2021 18:23:37 GMT
Well after that video maybe former should go over and escort our citizens to the airport!!!! Since he thinks they(Taliban) are the good guys!!
CNN
State dept is now telling American citizens to make their way to the airport! The State Dept says there is no guarantee of safe passage to the airport!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 19:41:26 GMT
What I think is this, we don’t know the whole story about what and why it happened and the Biden Administration may not even know why it played out the way it did either. Dh and I were discussing this topic today and how all these "deals" were made when Trump was in office. Then he purposely held back intel during the transition. Could it be that all the intel they had pointed to the very thing that is happening now as the outcome? Could it be they purposely waited knowing this all would blow up in Biden's face...and possibly turn the tide back to the Republicans? There is not a doubt in my mind that Trump and ilk would use thousand upon thousands of Afghanis as pawns. Did they set him up? I mean there are just too many things that don't add up to me. I am definitely not a conspiracy person, but damn... |
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 18, 2021 20:01:26 GMT
Ah another armchair expert with his thoughts.
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Post by sunshine on Aug 18, 2021 20:42:22 GMT
Dh and I were discussing this topic today and how all these "deals" were made when Trump was in office. Then he purposely held back intel during the transition. Could it be that all the intel they had pointed to the very thing that is happening now as the outcome? Could it be they purposely waited knowing this all would blow up in Biden's face...and possibly turn the tide back to the Republicans? There is not a doubt in my mind that Trump and ilk would use thousand upon thousands of Afghanis as pawns. Did they set him up? I mean there are just too many things that don't add up to me. I am definitely not a conspiracy person, but damn... It doesn't add up because this is joe fucking biden's plan. This exit catastrophe makes no sense just like joe makes no sense. He went against his own advisors, numerous reports have stated that. People can spin it all they want-joe was sworn in on January 20-anything from that day forward was on him, and he chose this. He chose to announce mid-April to exit by 9/11. He chose to up the date to 8/31. He chose to close Bagram and leave our equipment. He chose to ignore the fact the Taliban was gaining ground and refused to add more troops to help evacuate until it was total chaos. He chose to blindside our allies. What we're watching play out on t.v. is joe's plan and it's as scrambled and messed up as what swirls around in his head.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 18, 2021 21:04:51 GMT
Wow, so angry.
Too bad no one in the Biden administration received much of any ongoing info from Nov 4th until Jan 20th. Remember next to no transition meetings!!
No smooth peaceful transition !! Think long and hard about that!!
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Post by sunshine on Aug 18, 2021 21:15:00 GMT
Wow, so angry. Too bad no one in the Biden administration received much of any ongoing info from Nov 4th until Jan 20th. Remember next to no transition meetings!! No smooth peaceful transition !! Think long and hard about that!! Please...Milley alone could've/would've given intel. joe made his decisions after being in office for 3 months, plenty of time to get all the information and intel he needed. This is on joe. I hope our military can get each and every citizen out, but it's not looking good. If any are left behind, it will be because of joe's complete incompetence. YOU think long and hard about that. |
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Post by sunshine on Aug 18, 2021 21:26:59 GMT
And yet again, this piece of shit takes no questions.
I'm angry? Fucking right I am.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 18, 2021 21:36:15 GMT
What is the stance of other middle Eastern countries in regards to how things have been in Afghanistan? Do they support the Taliban? I was just wondering if it would be better for other middle Eastern countries to have a bigger role in the country since they seem to have a better understanding of the culture, religion, and way of life? Sorry it has taken a while to respond. IMO, other ME countries don't want to get involved. I mean they have their own problems keeping a lid on the radical Muslims in their own countries (Morocco included). The Taliban claim that they follow Sharia law, but it is their own perverted interpretation. Islam says that God wants people to read (I am totally paraphrasing) but education is important. I honestly have not hear that there is any support for the Taliban in the ME. Also, depending on who one supports, assets can be frozen...all types of political pressure. So most just stay out of it. Also, don't forget that the ME is STILL third world countries. They simply do not have the military, the money nor the resources to tackle a hornet's nest that is the Taliban. I mean KSA is already dealing with the Houthis in Yemen. Libya continues to have problems. Even Morocco has ongoing issues with the whole Western Sahara thing. Algeria and Morocco have a closed border between them. Not to mention, if you get a bunch of Arabs together to try and work together, you are going to have five different game plans. I would not say they are the best at working together cohesively! I would imagine at the base of it all, most countries would step back and say if the U.S. could not defeat them...then how could we? That makes sense. I was just thinking that it may be more effective for a country that is more familiar with the cultural expectations and way of life to be involved. It seems that defeating the Taliban wasn't the main issue--helping the Afghans to be able to retain their country was the hard part. Maybe that was because we expected them to do things the way we would do them, but that wasn't in line with how they do things? I am not sure. I would really like to know more about why the Afghan army just gave up and didn't fight for their country if they are all so scared of the Taliban. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 18, 2021 21:38:30 GMT
Very interesting, especially the bit about corruption. |
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 18, 2021 21:49:56 GMT
I guess she didn’t see these pictures. Never mind the Generals.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 18, 2021 22:08:04 GMT
Selective memories and alternative facts.
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Post by sideways on Aug 18, 2021 22:15:11 GMT
Dh and I were discussing this topic today and how all these "deals" were made when Trump was in office. Then he purposely held back intel during the transition. Could it be that all the intel they had pointed to the very thing that is happening now as the outcome? Could it be they purposely waited knowing this all would blow up in Biden's face...and possibly turn the tide back to the Republicans? There is not a doubt in my mind that Trump and ilk would use thousand upon thousands of Afghanis as pawns. Did they set him up? I mean there are just too many things that don't add up to me. I am definitely not a conspiracy person, but damn... It doesn't add up because this is joe fucking biden's plan. This exit catastrophe makes no sense just like joe makes no sense. He went against his own advisors, numerous reports have stated that. People can spin it all they want-joe was sworn in on January 20-anything from that day forward was on him, and he chose this. He chose to announce mid-April to exit by 9/11. He chose to up the date to 8/31. He chose to close Bagram and leave our equipment. He chose to ignore the fact the Taliban was gaining ground and refused to add more troops to help evacuate until it was total chaos. He chose to blindside our allies. What we're watching play out on t.v. is joe's plan and it's as scrambled and messed up as what swirls around in his head.
Thanks for the Fox/OAN/Newsmax talking points. 🙄 |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 18, 2021 22:25:18 GMT
Gen Milley just stated that there was no indication to him that there would be such a collapse.
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All of the other media outlets (with the exception of OAN and NewsMax) can just be dismissed outright because they’re “fake news” or left wing media.
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