pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Sept 4, 2021 0:08:47 GMT
Please please please vote NO
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 4, 2021 0:37:56 GMT
But if you vote no but the majority of people vote yes then you aren’t voting for anyone? I guess the argument could go both ways though. Thinking if you don’t vote then it just helps Elder. IMHO, the list of candidates is so weak and/or horrifying that if Newsom is recalled, I can't support any of them. Whoever gets in will only be a placeholder in the lead up to the 2022 election. I'm not sure anyone other the Elder would go about doing much damage as they would immediately be in a fight for the primary unless their goal is to be a one year governor. I'm putting my energy into getting everyone I know to vote no on the recall. I dropped off the 3 ballots from our household today and we all just answered the first question. I think katlady could be right and many that have been apathetic about the recall are looking at Texas and pulling out their ballots.
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Post by silverlining on Sept 4, 2021 1:21:12 GMT
I'm definitely voting NO and thinking about voting for the leading Democrat in the polls, Paffrath.
Maybe somebody can help me understand why the Democrats didn't try to get all their voters to vote NO and then also all vote for the same Democratic candidate? If the YES votes win by a very close margin, but their votes are split among various Republicans and Libertarians, couldn't a Democrat win if we all agreed on one Democratic candidate? What is the strategy behind not voting for any candidate?
I keep thinking that we have an 88-year-old senator, as well as an older Supreme Court Justice right now. Can you imagine what could happen if we have a Republican governor appoint a new senator?
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Post by flanz on Sept 4, 2021 1:32:51 GMT
Yes! It's to the Republicans advantage to give Dems a false sense of security. PLEASE talk to your friends and neighbors about the importance of voting! Republicans are going to show up en masse at the polls on election day. They want the impression to be that Newsome is a slam dunk to stay in office. Danger! Danger! Please get everyone you know out to vote. THIS!!!!
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Post by flanz on Sept 4, 2021 1:34:28 GMT
But if you vote no but the majority of people vote yes then you aren’t voting for anyone? I guess the argument could go both ways though. Thinking if you don’t vote then it just helps Elder. IMHO, the list of candidates is so weak and/or horrifying that if Newsom is recalled, I can't support any of them. Whoever gets in will only be a placeholder in the lead up to the 2022 election. I'm not sure anyone other the Elder would go about doing much damage as they would immediately be in a fight for the primary unless their goal is to be a one year governor. I'm putting my energy into getting everyone I know to vote no on the recall. I dropped off the 3 ballots from our household today and we all just answered the first question. I think katlady could be right and many that have been apathetic about the recall are looking at Texas and pulling out their ballots. I think he could do an awful lot of damage in his time in office! We MUST NOT allow the recall of Newsom!!! I feel like we should have been writing postcards and really getting Dems mobilized to get the voters out and defeat this recall attempt!
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Post by flanz on Sept 4, 2021 1:36:46 GMT
I'm definitely voting NO and thinking about voting for the leading Democrat in the polls, Paffrath. Maybe somebody can help me understand why the Democrats didn't try to get all their voters to vote NO and then also all vote for the same Democratic candidate? If the YES votes win by a very close margin, but their votes are split among various Republicans and Libertarians, couldn't a Democrat win if we all agreed on one Democratic candidate? What is the strategy behind not voting for any candidate? I keep thinking that we have an 88-year-old senator, as well as an older Supreme Court Justice right now. Can you imagine what could happen if we have a Republican governor appoint a new senator? It happened here in California in the 90s, I think it was, that the current Dem Governor was recalled. Dems had asked people to vote NO and to support candidate X in case the recall was successful. Apparently a lot of Californians were very eager to have different governor and voted YES to recall and I think to elect Bustamante? (if I've got his name right). We ended up with Schwartzenegger, one of the 200 or 300 or so vying for the office. You can become governor in this circumstance with just 1, 3 5% of the vote!!!
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Post by katlady on Sept 4, 2021 1:38:40 GMT
silverlining When Grey Davis was recalled there was a strong democrat running as a replacement. That probably caused Davis to lose because people preferred his replacement. The party doesn’t want that to happen again which is probably why the party hasn’t been pushing a replacement this time. It is too late to rally the Democrats around one person running. Plus, don’t forget that some Democrats do want Newsom recalled.
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Post by silverlining on Sept 4, 2021 1:41:14 GMT
Thank you! I should have googled it, but I was lazy and knew you all could set me straight.
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scrapngranny
Pearl Clutcher
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Post by scrapngranny on Sept 4, 2021 1:41:33 GMT
Yes. I’m not huge fan of Newsom, but he is lessor of a whole lot of evils.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 4, 2021 1:45:24 GMT
Maybe somebody can help me understand why the Democrats didn't try to get all their voters to vote NO and then also all vote for the same Democratic candidate? If the YES votes win by a very close margin, but their votes are split among various Republicans and Libertarians, couldn't a Democrat win if we all agreed on one Democratic candidate? What is the strategy behind not voting for any candidate? IMHO, you can't be halfhearted about the no campaign. Adding a "just in case", vote for XXX message completely dilutes the No on Recall message. With no primary process and most candidates having no platform or prior experience, how does the Democratic party pick which candidate to support? The Youtube personality? The lawyer that previously ran as a student in the Gray Davis recall? The current college student? No high profile, experience politician is running because they are all fully supporting the No on Recall campaign.
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seaexplore
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Post by seaexplore on Sept 4, 2021 1:47:46 GMT
But who are you voting for? Our ballots are sitting here and haven’t voted yet as I have no clue who to vote for just in case he is recalled? Same.
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seaexplore
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Post by seaexplore on Sept 4, 2021 1:54:29 GMT
Yes. I’m not huge fan of Newsom, but he is lessor of a whole lot of evils. Yep. I don’t love him. I think he’s done some shady shit during the pandemic. However, he’s up for office in another year and a half anyway.
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boymama
Shy Member
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Post by boymama on Sept 4, 2021 2:56:39 GMT
I'm definitely voting NO and thinking about voting for the leading Democrat in the polls, Paffrath. Maybe somebody can help me understand why the Democrats didn't try to get all their voters to vote NO and then also all vote for the same Democratic candidate? If the YES votes win by a very close margin, but their votes are split among various Republicans and Libertarians, couldn't a Democrat win if we all agreed on one Democratic candidate? What is the strategy behind not voting for any candidate? I keep thinking that we have an 88-year-old senator, as well as an older Supreme Court Justice right now. Can you imagine what could happen if we have a Republican governor appoint a new senator? It happened here in California in the 90s, I think it was, that the current Dem Governor was recalled. Dems had asked people to vote NO and to support candidate X in case the recall was successful. Apparently a lot of Californians were very eager to have different governor and voted YES to recall and I think to elect Bustamante? (if I've got his name right). We ended up with Schwartzenegger, one of the 200 or 300 or so vying for the office. You can become governor in this circumstance with just 1, 3 5% of the vote!!! It’s definitely true that someone could win the election with a small percentage of the vote, but that’s not at all what happened in 2003. In that election, Arnold received 49% of the vote, and McClintock, another Republican, received 13%, so a majority of voters voted for a republican. Bustamente received 35% of the vote. I don’t know why the Democratic Party still seems so convinced that Bustamente cost them the recall, because that idea isn’t borne out by the numbers. I understand why Newsom didn’t want a strong Democratic candidate- he has a much better chance in 2022 running against a Republican or any of the Democrats on this ballot, whereas he’d have a much more difficult time running against, say, Eleni Kounalakis. I really don’t agree with the party going along with it, though. I’ll be voting No on the recall, and for Kevin Paffrath, as he seems to be the only Democrat with any chance against Elder. Hopefully, the recall doesn’t pass, but if it does, and Feinstein dies or is otherwise unable to serve, and has her replacement chosen by Elder, I’ll be really pissed off at the California Democratic Party.
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Post by silverlining on Sept 4, 2021 17:44:37 GMT
I can understand why the Democrats didn't want a strong candidate to run who might be more appealing to some Democrats. Another factor is money-it costs so much to campaign in the whole state, and a good candidate could waste a whole lot of millions and then need to do it again a few months later. The whole thing is ridiculous! I voted no and followed the advice I got here to not vote for any candidate. I just walked up to the library and dropped it off and am feeling very virtuous for getting good exercise and being a good citizen at the same time
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seaexplore
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Post by seaexplore on Sept 4, 2021 18:08:13 GMT
I got a call from S. California today labeled "political call"- I took it. The person on the other end asked if I had received my recall ballot yet. I said yes I had received it and I voted "no". The person then let me know that they were funded by Elder and some other people and wished me a good day and hung up before I could let them know that Elder is a piece of shit. LOL
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Post by hop2 on Sept 6, 2021 4:48:58 GMT
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Post by katlady on Sept 6, 2021 4:54:18 GMT
He is the front runner!
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seaexplore
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Post by seaexplore on Sept 6, 2021 5:37:00 GMT
Yes! I live in the land of red and elder love. Do not get it.
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Post by hookturnian on Sept 6, 2021 13:40:53 GMT
The British government borrowed a huge sum of money to "compensate" slave-owners when slavery was abolished. So huge that they only finished paying it off in 2015. It made news headlines in South Africa when it came to light in 2018. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3283908001Imagine paying the slave owners and their descendants but not compensating the slaves and their descendants.🤬
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pinklady
Drama Llama
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Nov 14, 2016 23:47:03 GMT
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Post by pinklady on Sept 7, 2021 21:12:33 GMT
Not good
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 7, 2021 21:19:56 GMT
Not good at all.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 7, 2021 22:15:40 GMT
we are dropping off our ballots and i know people who are planning to vote in person. i think a good number will come in under the wire.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 7, 2021 22:16:49 GMT
no, no we do not want him. NO on the recall.
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oh yvonne
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Post by oh yvonne on Sept 8, 2021 14:15:35 GMT
Voted by mail the day I got my ballot, drove straight to the Post Office to do it.
I too am worried about Republicans showing up en masse next week. I've asked everyone I know, get your vote in.
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Post by fotos4u2 on Sept 8, 2021 16:21:11 GMT
Myself and my entire family (well maybe not my Republican EX, but he probably won't vote) will or have voted NO. I'm personally waiting to vote in person. While mail-in ballots are convenient I'm still concerned about mail-in ballots getting thrown out if things get sticky (my more conservative friends have been circling a video of someone who shows that the mail-in ballots actually show how you voted through the holes in the envelope). Thankfully I have the time and feel comfortable enough voting in person (as will my oldest kid, younger college kids will have to mail theirs).
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Post by katlady on Sept 8, 2021 16:24:24 GMT
Myself and my entire family (well maybe not my Republican EX, but he probably won't vote) will or have voted NO. I'm personally waiting to vote in person. While mail-in ballots are convenient I'm still concerned about mail-in ballots getting thrown out if things get sticky (my more conservative friends have been circling a video of someone who shows that the mail-in ballots actually show how you voted through the holes in the envelope). Thankfully I have the time and feel comfortable enough voting in person (as will my oldest kid, younger college kids will have to mail theirs). It is funny, but I think the envelopes have always had those holes in them. I could be wrong about that, but I seem to recall having holes in the envelopes before. I Just put my ballot in so that you can’t see my vote through the holes.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 8, 2021 17:45:08 GMT
I mailed mine on Friday (well, it was after the pickup time, so Saturday really) but I haven’t gotten a text yet from the County Clerk that they received it. This is making me nervous. I guess I can still go vote in person if I never hear from them.
My mom, meanwhile, has lost both her own and stepdad’s ballots. She too can go vote in person, but stepdad is currently hospitalized and headed to rehab after. I should go search her office top to bottom and find those ballots for her. grrrrr
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Post by katlady on Sept 8, 2021 17:54:34 GMT
lucyg You can go online to check if they received your ballot. I never get a text.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 8, 2021 17:55:31 GMT
lucyg You can go online to check if they received your ballot. I never get a text. I will do that, thanks. But I’ll try to wait a couple of days before I start melting down.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 8, 2021 18:12:24 GMT
. I've asked everyone I know, get your vote in. me too. i sent out a PSA on the family group text yesterday. this is no time to be complacent. the GOP voters are too motivated right now.
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