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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Sept 7, 2021 23:02:54 GMT
Wow! I agree that violence against the teacher is not the answer, but if what she described on video happened to my child, I’m honestly not sure I wouldn’t do the same. It’s horrible what that child endured. If I saw a video of a teacher abusing my child, I'm pretty sure I'd be in a blind, uncontrollable rage.
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Post by inkedup on Sept 7, 2021 23:15:52 GMT
If that child was truly abused in the manner the mother is describing, I can't say I blame her for her actions.
I'm not saying the mother is right, but I don't know how I'd respond to videos of my child being abused in such a manner. The child's disability makes this worse somehow.
Unfortunately, the focus will now be on the mother and not the teacher.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 7, 2021 23:18:04 GMT
Look, as a mom, I get it. I'd want to punch the teacher, too. If she did what is described, it's indefensible and illegal. Teacher should absolutely be prosecuted. But if the mom walks free, parents get the message that when you're mad at a teacher for some reason, assault is an acceptable option. We don't do vigilante justice in this country for a reason. But more and more it feels like we are heading there. I can’t imagine the rage I would have felt watching that video, assuming her description is accurate. And if she had taken off in the heat of the moment to hit the teacher and then showed remorse I might be inclined to give her a lesser sentence. But as @zee said, this was premeditated, she made an appointment to beat her up. I do wonder if her child went back to school before the appointment. And also, did the teacher bite the child? She said she wanted the teacher to feel what her child did.
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Post by arielsmom on Sept 7, 2021 23:30:30 GMT
Immediate grounds for dismissal of a preschool teacher. I wonder how things would have gone if the Principal had done her job and fired the teacher. This is also a reportable offence to DHs,vin WI. (Before retirement I was as a center director for head start.)
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Post by jenjie on Sept 7, 2021 23:38:04 GMT
twinks I’m so sorry for the long term suffering your dd went through.😔 so glad she is succeeding in life, with the support of a strong mama.
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Post by cade387 on Sept 7, 2021 23:58:31 GMT
Why on earth would the Director think it would be a good idea to put them face to face in that moment? What good could possibly have come of that.
Violence between adults like this is not going to solve the problem. What if she was in a state where she could bring a gun into the school with her? Maybe a jury wouldn’t throw the book at her but I don’t think she should walk free either.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 8, 2021 0:25:29 GMT
The second the director saw the abuse, the teacher should have been fired and the police contacted. Had that happened, the parent would not have come in swinging.
I do not agree with or condone what the parent did. I could see myself swinging if I saw the abuse in real time, but she went in with intent to injure. She will have a record (if she doesn't already) and may have to pay the teachers medical bills.
Now, instead of the discussion being around the answers that took place, people are debating tactions. actions.
The daycare/preschool needs to be shut down
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Post by SockMonkey on Sept 8, 2021 0:54:53 GMT
Look, as a mom, I get it. I'd want to punch the teacher, too. If she did what is described, it's indefensible and illegal. Teacher should absolutely be prosecuted. But if the mom walks free, parents get the message that when you're mad at a teacher for some reason, assault is an acceptable option. We don't do vigilante justice in this country for a reason. The fact that someone on this thread mentioned the teacher should be grateful they weren't shot is terrifying. That preschool employee needs to be fired and face legal consequences based on the description of the video. But there is also due process and the rule of law. Assault is not justice. Vengeance and justice are not the same thing.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 8, 2021 1:17:48 GMT
She’s got a GFM going!
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 8, 2021 1:34:59 GMT
I'm not a violent person, but I can't say that I would have kept my hands to myself if that had happened to my child or my grandkids. Yeah, as someone who also has a non-verbal kid, it would be tempting. Not a beat down, but damn there was footage and she was told the teacher was keeping her job. Of course it's not right, but it doesn't get any easier dealing with administration. Hopefully the mom isn't always like this, because if her child is special needs there will be lots of meetings.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 8, 2021 2:41:11 GMT
Look, as a mom, I get it. I'd want to punch the teacher, too. If she did what is described, it's indefensible and illegal. Teacher should absolutely be prosecuted. But if the mom walks free, parents get the message that when you're mad at a teacher for some reason, assault is an acceptable option. We don't do vigilante justice in this country for a reason. Yeah, your right, but I ‘get’ her rage. I understand it. It’s not one of those inexplicable things. I know she did wrong, logically, but I can understand it. Maybe that makes me a bad person, I don’t know. Seems like everyone but the child was in the wrong here.
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Post by artbabe on Sept 8, 2021 10:58:09 GMT
Second, if the child is truly non-verbal at 2 (plus however many months), he needs to be evaluated for public school special education. And I wonder if that has happened and if not, why not. Even if their public school system doesn’t start special Ed until 3 years, the county/state should have a team that assesses young children for developmental disorders. My nephew didn't talk until he was 3. Even when he was 3 we would get reports from the preschool that said "he spoke 7 words today!" We did get him into a special education preschool at 3. By the time he was 6 he was a neurotypical kid who talked nonstop. They dropped his iep when he went to kindergarten- I wish we would have kept it a little longer, though. He is 12 now, does okay in school (B student) but I wish he was still getting some extra support. I am grateful that we were able to get him into special ed when we did- I'm convinced that he would have turned out to be a totally different kid if we didn't have that support in the beginning. And on the main topic- what the parent did was totally wrong but if I were in her shoes I'd be tempted to do the same thing. I wouldn't do it, but I understand why she felt that way.
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Post by peasapie on Sept 8, 2021 11:35:54 GMT
I’m left with all sorts of questions. First, the child was/is 2. Aside from special education in some parts of the country (for others it isn’t until 3), I am not sure about pre-SCHOOL at 2. It really seems like this is a daycare setting, not a classroom setting. So, I’m not sure if the “teacher” was truly a teacher and had any teacher qualifications. Regardless, whatever she was/is, she shouldn’t be abusing children in her care. Second, if the child is truly non-verbal at 2 (plus however many months), he needs to be evaluated for public school special education. And I wonder if that has happened and if not, why not. Even if their public school system doesn’t start special Ed until 3 years, the county/state should have a team that assesses young children for developmental disorders. If the child does have special needs, a Catholic Daycare is not the place for him. The mother had no business assaulting anyone, although I understand her rage. I hope she uses her energy to have her son assessed and placed in an environment that will help him overcome his language delays and other developmental issues if he has them. What does any of this have to do with the teacher abusing the child?
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Post by peasapie on Sept 8, 2021 11:39:12 GMT
Personally, I would have removed my child immediately and then sued the teacher, director and daycare. They were way out of line - but further violence solved nothing.
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Post by mikklynn on Sept 8, 2021 11:42:53 GMT
Look, as a mom, I get it. I'd want to punch the teacher, too. If she did what is described, it's indefensible and illegal. Teacher should absolutely be prosecuted. But if the mom walks free, parents get the message that when you're mad at a teacher for some reason, assault is an acceptable option. We don't do vigilante justice in this country for a reason. My first instinct was I'll contribute to the mother's bail fund. Your response is MUCH better.
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Post by ellen on Sept 8, 2021 12:24:55 GMT
The mother sounds nuts and I'd wait for the investigation to be completed before I'd call for the firing of the teacher. If what she says is on the surveillance video, the teacher will lose her job and likely face charges.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 12:31:11 GMT
If what she says is on the surveillance video, the teacher will lose her job and likely face charges. NOW, hopefully. But w/o all the media around this, would she have? It sounds like the director's claim that the teacher was fine and wouldn't be fired, played a big part in the mother's rage at what was happening to her child.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 12:51:44 GMT
I don't condone violence in any form but I can understand why this mother lost her cool when confronted by that video. There is a lot of info missing and more questions to ask to make total sense of what exactly went on before the violence occurred. I'm guessing that this is a kind of "play group for toddlers"/Day care that the church is offering to the community rather than an official " Pre-school" attached to a larger school.
This is what I think happened:
Child comes home the previous day with bruises or such like and because of his age he was unable to articulate to his mother how or where he received them. I don't think the description of being non-verbal made by the mother necessarily means he has special educational needs or that he is on the spectrum. Many two year olds are unable to accurately articulate things, some speak much earlier than others. Doesn't mean to say they have anything wrong with them. The Mum attends the school and confronts the administrator with her concerns, the administrator denies that it could happen and tells the mum that she is not taking the matter further based only on her accusations. The mum asks to see the surveillance video. and the truth comes out.
The mistake the mum did was to ask to see the teacher. She should have asked for a copy of the video and gone straight to the police or even called the police from the administrators office. In fact having seen that video the administrator should have called the police herself. By not doing so she was covering up a crime committed by one of the employee's. If she had done her job properly then the opportunity wouldn't have been there for the mother to lose her sh** at this teacher.
I'm just surprised, if the police have seen that video that they haven't arrested the teacher too. Surely it wasn't up to the Mum to have to file a report for any action to be taken by the sheriff.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 13:05:29 GMT
if the police have seen that video I doubt they have seen it yet. I hope it doesn't get "erased accidentally" before it can be subpoenaed or ordered to be preserved.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 13:08:49 GMT
if the police have seen that video I doubt they have seen it yet. I hope it doesn't get "erased accidentally" before it can be subpoenaed or ordered to be preserved.Was thinking exactly the same thing.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 8, 2021 13:55:02 GMT
I’m left with all sorts of questions. First, the child was/is 2. Aside from special education in some parts of the country (for others it isn’t until 3), I am not sure about pre-SCHOOL at 2. It really seems like this is a daycare setting, not a classroom setting. So, I’m not sure if the “teacher” was truly a teacher and had any teacher qualifications. Regardless, whatever she was/is, she shouldn’t be abusing children in her care. Second, if the child is truly non-verbal at 2 (plus however many months), he needs to be evaluated for public school special education. And I wonder if that has happened and if not, why not. Even if their public school system doesn’t start special Ed until 3 years, the county/state should have a team that assesses young children for developmental disorders. If the child does have special needs, a Catholic Daycare is not the place for him. The mother had no business assaulting anyone, although I understand her rage. I hope she uses her energy to have her son assessed and placed in an environment that will help him overcome his language delays and other developmental issues if he has them. What does any of this have to do with the teacher abusing the child? Not Elaine, obviously, but I did spend a significant chunk of my professional life assessing the language of preschoolers and especially those who are turning 3. In my state, that is the magic age for school intervention, and any child suspected of having special needs must be assessed by their third birthday. I spent quite a bit of time observing children who were attending daycares that had no provisions for children with special needs. It is quite common, and really, many parents are unaware at that point that intervention can make a big difference. I have observed that Catholic-based programs often did not have teachers with training in special Ed. To be fair, I noticed it a LOT at our Headstarts as well. And that intervention at a young age can make a profound difference. Of course this in no way excuses that teacher if she was mistreating a vulnerable child. That does not excuse the parent either. I agree with whoever said that the best course of action is to place the teacher on leave, investigate the incident, and go from there. We had a case of a public school teacher who slapped a student. It was investigated, she lost her teaching license, and did some jail time.
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Post by peasapie on Sept 8, 2021 14:33:00 GMT
What does any of this have to do with the teacher abusing the child? Not Elaine, obviously, but I did spend a significant chunk of my professional life assessing the language of preschoolers and especially those who are turning 3. In my state, that is the magic age for school intervention, and any child suspected of having special needs must be assessed by their third birthday. I spent quite a bit of time observing children who were attending daycares that had no provisions for children with special needs. It is quite common, and really, many parents are unaware at that point that intervention can make a big difference. I have observed that Catholic-based programs often did not have teachers with training in special Ed. To be fair, I noticed it a LOT at our Headstarts as well. And that intervention at a young age can make a profound difference. Of course this in no way excuses that teacher if she was mistreating a vulnerable child. That does not excuse the parent either. I agree with whoever said that the best course of action is to place the teacher on leave, investigate the incident, and go from there. We had a case of a public school teacher who slapped a student. It was investigated, she lost her teaching license, and did some jail time. I'm degreed in special education and well versed in the fact that early intervention is essential. Just don't understand what this has to do with the teacher abusing the child; thought perhaps I missed something.
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Post by missmcd on Sept 8, 2021 14:34:45 GMT
Get physical with my two year, all bets are off, you can catch these hands!
Don't dish what you can't take old lady, sorry not sorry!
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Post by elaine on Sept 8, 2021 14:43:12 GMT
I’m left with all sorts of questions. First, the child was/is 2. Aside from special education in some parts of the country (for others it isn’t until 3), I am not sure about pre-SCHOOL at 2. It really seems like this is a daycare setting, not a classroom setting. So, I’m not sure if the “teacher” was truly a teacher and had any teacher qualifications. Regardless, whatever she was/is, she shouldn’t be abusing children in her care. Second, if the child is truly non-verbal at 2 (plus however many months), he needs to be evaluated for public school special education. And I wonder if that has happened and if not, why not. Even if their public school system doesn’t start special Ed until 3 years, the county/state should have a team that assesses young children for developmental disorders. If the child does have special needs, a Catholic Daycare is not the place for him. The mother had no business assaulting anyone, although I understand her rage. I hope she uses her energy to have her son assessed and placed in an environment that will help him overcome his language delays and other developmental issues if he has them. What does any of this have to do with the teacher abusing the child? I didn’t realize that I wasn’t allowed to comment on all aspects of the situation. That part stood out to me (as a mother who went through this process with 2 children - one of whom I had to pull from a “Mom’s Morning Out” daycare run out of a church when he was also 2.) However, if you have a special needs child, it is even more crucial - as artbabe and mollycoddle have also talked about - to put the child in educational settings that have trained professionals, rather than daycare workers. What the daycare worker did was awful - I said that I understood the mom’s rage. I probably understand it on a more personal level than many here - having had issues with schools and school staff with my severely disabled son. A kindergarten special Ed teacher broke his collarbone when he was 5. I still rage internally when I think about it AND I didn’t go and assault the teacher Daycare worker should be fired, the mom shouldn’t have assaulted her AND (this part IS important to me) the child - if he is truly nonverbal at 2+x months - needs assessment and interventions. I can think and express all the thoughts at one time - it is wonderful, that. It really is okay to focus on the child and what he needs and what the impact of putting him in unsuitable settings is.
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Post by scorpeao on Sept 8, 2021 14:52:45 GMT
If the video is as described, put me on her jury I'll say not guilty. As for the three hours...I'm thinking it was after the fact. I assume, and I could be wrong, that the mom noticed marks on her child and questioned them.
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Post by myboysnme on Sept 8, 2021 15:07:32 GMT
If that happened in any degree to my child I would take my child straight to the ER followed by a call to police. I could never look at that teacher without fear of gross bodily harm to her.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 8, 2021 15:08:24 GMT
Not Elaine, obviously, but I did spend a significant chunk of my professional life assessing the language of preschoolers and especially those who are turning 3. In my state, that is the magic age for school intervention, and any child suspected of having special needs must be assessed by their third birthday. I spent quite a bit of time observing children who were attending daycares that had no provisions for children with special needs. It is quite common, and really, many parents are unaware at that point that intervention can make a big difference. I have observed that Catholic-based programs often did not have teachers with training in special Ed. To be fair, I noticed it a LOT at our Headstarts as well. And that intervention at a young age can make a profound difference. Of course this in no way excuses that teacher if she was mistreating a vulnerable child. That does not excuse the parent either. I agree with whoever said that the best course of action is to place the teacher on leave, investigate the incident, and go from there. We had a case of a public school teacher who slapped a student. It was investigated, she lost her teaching license, and did some jail time. I'm degreed in special education and well versed in the fact that early intervention is essential. Just don't understand what this has to do with the teacher abusing the child; thought perhaps I missed something. In my mind, it’s another aspect of the situation that unfolded. It’s something that many parents are unaware of. That’s all.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 8, 2021 16:15:56 GMT
Just because the mother’s rage is understandable doesn’t mean her actions should be without consequence…or, worse, serve as precedent for other angry parents. Also, we have a detailed account from the mother, who is free to reveal anything, but we won’t get one from the school/facility, who are constrained, until the trial(s). Most of all, I agree that this child may need evaluation and intervention. Does that excuse the teacher? Not in the least. Does that mean that awareness, support and interventions will likely result in a learning/daycare situation where the child’s risk of abuse is much lower? Yes. If the video is as described, put me on her jury I'll say not guilty. As for the three hours...I'm thinking it was after the fact. I assume, and I could be wrong, that the mom noticed marks on her child and questioned them. If you were on the jury, you would ignore the evidence and the instructions to the jury and vote that the mother did not assault and injure the teacher/day care worker?
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Post by ellen on Sept 8, 2021 23:42:03 GMT
If what she says is on the surveillance video, the teacher will lose her job and likely face charges. NOW, hopefully. But w/o all the media around this, would she have? It sounds like the director's claim that the teacher was fine and wouldn't be fired, played a big part in the mother's rage at what was happening to her child. This article just says what the parent told the media. As someone who works in an environment that has video surveillance, I'm wondering how the video was obtained. Did the supervisor actually watch and see what the parent said was on it? I didn't think it necessarily sounded like they had confirmed that what the parent said was on the video actually was. 30+ years of teaching have made me wait to see how things play out in an investigation. The school can't say anything, but the parent can say whatever they want. The teacher is on leave while they investigate. That is reasonable.
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Post by boys5times on Sept 9, 2021 2:06:57 GMT
The teacher should absolutely be charged if what the mom said is true. Moms go fund me has raised over $20K.
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