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Post by Sharon on Sept 29, 2021 12:56:47 GMT
None.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 29, 2021 13:00:29 GMT
I’m totally ok disagreeing with someone.
But if their core values are racist, homophobic, or to take away my body choices as a woman, hateful toward other because of skin color, or because of who they are, then they can just fuck if.
No room in my life for that.
If you’re anti-vaxx, then fine—don’t get it. Stay away from others. But stop attacking—verbally and physically those who are pro mask and who are vaccinated and want to get back to some sense of normalcy. The majority of those who I’ve heard talk about not getting the vaccine are nothing short of making it a political—not medical/based in science—decisions. Their reality is not based on fact or science.
For those who continue to vote for the hateful, racists politicians, ones who are right now tearing down our democracy with their repeated lies about elections, their unconstitutional laws over women’s bodies, their gerrymandering districts, their lie upon lie, upon lie, no room for them in my house either. You reap what you dow, you are what you eat, you stand (approve) of who you vote for.
It’s one thing to disagree because of a personal opinion. It’s another to actively force someone into submission by creating hypocritical, hateful laws because of your religious or political beliefs that are not fact based, truthful, or should be laws at all.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 29, 2021 13:08:28 GMT
I live in a bubble so not really. I anticipate trouble when I meet my son's new inlaws.. they are big trumpers.. but they live across the country so I won't see them often Ditto everything - but replace "son" with "daughter." That being said, they are vaccinated - so they're not entirely stupid. This is where I am too. I have a few family members that appear to have not only drunk the Kool aid but are swimming in an Olympic sized pool of it. I still love them but let’s just say we have a lot fewer conversations these days because they all seem to end up with them spouting some oddball, easily refuted conspiracy theory that leaves me all . It really blows me away how people I used to think were completely rational could have gotten sucked in by all this total, utter nonsense. And thankfully, they have gotten the vaccine so at least they won’t die when they get Covid (and yes, I’m saying when because of all the non-social distancing without masks I see them posting on Facebook). I just pray that none of their five young grandkids get it, one of whom is a two month old baby that I keep seeing getting passed around to dozens of people in those same photos like Covid isn’t a thing.
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Post by Fairlyoddparent on Sept 29, 2021 13:11:22 GMT
I have lost none, and I will lose none. I live in a very red area of New York and at least half (probably more) of the area is anti-vaxxers. I believe in the vaccine. I wear a mask. I believe in--and follow--all the protocols. Many, MANY of my friends do not. Because I love them, I have taken the time to actually listen to their reasoning and study the other side of the equation. I do not find them idiots. In fact, most of them are well educated. We find that we each have eminent scientists who support our respective sides. I disagree with them. They disagree with me. But I believe they are more important than our disagreements. They have brought joy, friendship and caring into our relationships for more years than I can say. I do not disregard this. They are my friends. They will remain my friends. My love for them is large enough to allow for disagreements. Best post ever!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 29, 2021 13:21:26 GMT
I’m totally ok disagreeing with someone. But if their core values are racist, homophobic, or to take away my body choices as a woman, hateful toward other because of skin color, or because of who they are, then they can just fuck if. No room in my life for that. If you’re anti-vaxx, then fine—don’t get it. Stay away from others. But stop attacking—verbally and physically those who are pro mask and who are vaccinated and want to get back to some sense of normalcy. The majority of those who I’ve heard talk about not getting the vaccine are nothing short of making it a political—not medical/based in science—decisions. Their reality is not based on fact or science. For those who continue to vote for the hateful, racists politicians, ones who are right now tearing down our democracy with their repeated lies about elections, their unconstitutional laws over women’s bodies, their gerrymandering districts, their lie upon lie, upon lie, no room for them in my house either. You reap what you dow, you are what you eat, you stand (approve) of who you vote for. It’s one thing to disagree because of a personal opinion. It’s another to actively force someone into submission by creating hypocritical, hateful laws because of your religious or political beliefs that are not fact based, truthful, or should be laws at all. DH has some friends that I have completely lost all respect for because of this. These aren’t really people I socialize with so I never knew them all that well personally before, but since Trump and now Covid they have let their freak flags fly so anybody can see who they really are and what they really believe. Since I can’t choose who my husband chooses to be friends with, all I can do is voice my disapproval with those kinds of beliefs and attitudes. He is willing to agree to disagree with them on things I wouldn’t be able to look past.
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Post by Sarah*H on Sept 29, 2021 13:21:29 GMT
Two but they both unfriended me. Both fell deep in the Q madness last year. One organized an anti-masking rally at the state capitol. I think she's moving to the desert somewhere in Nevada and our kids graduated and stopped being friends as well so our friendship had likely run its course anyway. The other I felt a bit more sad about and she actually sent an olive branch last week but I haven't decided whether to renew the friendship.
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 29, 2021 13:21:29 GMT
Probably only truly lost one friend. She lost a lot of friends. Total conspiracy theory believer, started attacking us on Facebook, calling us Sheep. It was ugly. This was right around a year ago. She died of Covid in May. It was actually heartbreaking that it ended that way. It didn't have to. She made bad decisions and paid a huge price for it.
Some acquaintances, but those are really peripheral anyway.
My core friend group is split down the middle - half vaxxed, half not. I haven't spent time with them as a group in 18-19 months. They started the monthly get-togethers again about a year ago now, and I just could never justify it (high risk). They know how I feel, and for the most part, we don't talk about it. It's not worth me losing my friend group over it, especially considering we already think differently in regards to politics and religion and we've always just agreed to disagree there and never talk about it.
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Post by floridagirl on Sept 29, 2021 13:50:38 GMT
One, but she chose to end the friendship. During the height of the pandemic in our area she chose to attend a function indoors with people who flew in to attend from red zones. We asked her to please quarantine for two weeks after attending and then resume our get togethers. She decided she would rather end our friendship.
On the plus side those in our "bubble group" have continued weekly outdoor get togethers (we are all vaccinated) even in the cold months socially distancing, etc. and it has brought us closer together.
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Post by breetheflea on Sept 29, 2021 14:59:55 GMT
I don't know if I've lost any friends but I definitely see people differently...
The elementary school secretary (who lives on the next street over from me so we're neighbors)... well I'm not allowed into the school building because of COVID and have to do all my PTA-ing from home (which is annoying because I need a photocopier...) but when I drop stuff off at the school, she's either got her mask on so loose it falls off her nose when she talks or she isn't wearing it. In a school, during school hours, in the office where parents and kids walk through to get to the rest of the building. And the principal is right there, the same one who won't let me past the front desk because I could spread COVID while wearing a mask, if I make a photocopy...
Anyway, it's definitely narrowed my list of people I respect and want to socialize with.
ETA: yes our state has a mask mandate, especially indoors in a school full of unvaccinated 5-11 year olds!
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Post by workingclassdog on Sept 29, 2021 15:16:43 GMT
It's been hard. My bff and I are fine but we both have our own dividing lines. We just choose not to really discuss it, along with politics. She has gotten her shot and works from home.. so she is doing good there. She doesn't really follow anything else.. her group of friends and family never really social distance at all though. Still did their float trips, vacations and Friday night get togethers. I would say at least 1/2 of them have gotten Covid over the year - year 1/2.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 29, 2021 15:28:03 GMT
None yet. Hoping it stays that way. If I had friends like this, I'd be miserable. OMG, huuuuuge eye roll!! I don't think it was 'smart' dust that this woman got sprayed with... more like the ANTI-smart dust, considering what she's saying. I have lost a few friendships- one with my sister, who has gotten more and more crazy-pants than I ever realized she couldpossibly be, and a couple more casual 'scrapbooking friends' who are anti-vaxx conspiracy theorists. One of them I feel kind of bad about; her husband (a doctor, but he was also anti-vaxx and a conspiracy theorist) passed away - FROM COVID - but I don't know if I can be properly sympathetic to her situation without also being judgey of the fact that he was a DOCTOR and didn't get vaccinated.
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Post by scrapmaven on Sept 29, 2021 15:29:33 GMT
I stopped posting on FB and only go there once in a while to check in on things. I didn't lose friends, but I had to step back and refuse to see anyone in person who is not vaccinated. I didn't make any proclamations. I'm not going to talk you into the importance of the vaccine and you're not going to scare me away from it. So, why aggravate eachother?
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Post by busy on Sept 29, 2021 15:30:17 GMT
I haven't lost any friends for political covid reasons, but there are some casual friendships that haven't been maintained very well during covid because the things that brought us together (kids' sports, school activities, etc) haven't been happening. Some of those will probably not come back, because by the time we're back to normal, our kids will be in high school and they were in elementary when we last regularly connected.
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Post by padresfan619 on Sept 29, 2021 15:48:50 GMT
We have largely distanced ourselves from my husband’s family after their refusal to get the vaccine or wear a mask and quarantine as our bare minimum requirement to meet our son. We may revisit how we feel once there is a vaccine for my son’s age group but I’ll be honest I believe the relationships have been damaged beyond repair.
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 29, 2021 16:04:08 GMT
Just my cousin and aunt who think I’m a “jerk” (among other things) for not pulling my kids out of their schools, and spending thousands to fly to Hawaii during a pandemic for the cousin’s wedding amongst a group of many unvaccinated and unmasked attendees last week. When the gov was asking people not to travel to HI.
The rest of my circles of family and friends seem to be grown adults.
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Post by jenna on Sept 29, 2021 16:26:47 GMT
Not so much for vaccine reasons.. but I think that's more because those in my (albeit small) circle who would be antivax have already been dropped for being racist and bigoted assholes. The height of BLM into the election was the moment those few in my circle really showed themselves and took the trash out for me.
I don't have the time, energy, or care in the world to coddle someone and ~agree to disagree~ when their views on someone's reproductive rights, skin color, or who they marry is so so incredibly misaligned with their rights as a person.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 16:30:12 GMT
I have one friend that I've let the friendship just wither away.
A few other couples acquaintances that I had been thinking of inviting over for dinner etc as we had enjoyed getting to know them, but now that I've heard and seen more about their beliefs, no thank you.
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Post by Merge on Sept 29, 2021 16:58:06 GMT
An acquaintance I wasn’t fond of anyway. And some extended family members, also not my favorite people, so yeah. No loss there.
I would like to reconcile with my sister, but I can’t currently get past the “I’m not vaccinating my CF kids because spike proteins are more dangerous than the actual virus” stance she has. We have kept in touch with her oldest daughter to some degree. I’m hoping when she turns 18 in November she will make her own choices about the vaccine, but probably not.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 29, 2021 17:11:25 GMT
one. not so much lost but just distanced from. with politics and the pandemic being the dominant news, there was not much more meaningful stuff to talk about so our interactions just got fewer and far between.
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Post by marts on Sept 29, 2021 17:11:34 GMT
I haven't lost any friends, but I've found out which ones are idiots.
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 29, 2021 17:19:25 GMT
The only person with whom I severed ties was a woman who helped with my twins when they were newborns. I was close enough to her that I made a quilt for her, but in the past year or so she has gone full-on world-conspiracy Soros-Rothschilds control everything anti Semitic conspiracy theory about vaccinations, and no, there is no seeing past that difference.
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Post by MichyM on Sept 29, 2021 17:24:36 GMT
No. However, I don't FB, so I don't keep in touch with people from the dark depths of my past. The people I keep in touch with are those I spend time with, and they all believe in the vaccine, have followed the CDC recommedations, and are not covid-deniers, etc. I have no living family other than my (adult) son and his partner, so no worries about relatives either.
For anyone who has struggled with their friends/family to the point of severing ties with them, I am so sorry :/
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Post by janamke on Sept 29, 2021 17:29:05 GMT
None that I can think of. At least not close relationships.
My far bigger issue is with our siblings who will not get vaccinated. So far it's my brother and my husband's two siblings (and eligible children). We have visited with them outside in the last 18 months. I'm just not comfortable sharing a meal and spending 4-5+ hours indoors with them over the holidays. I fear tough choices are coming in November and December.
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Post by tamra on Sept 29, 2021 17:44:27 GMT
My husband’s Godfather disowned him. Such a vile and nasty Trumper. Good riddance in my opinion, but it really crushed my husband.
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Post by peabay on Sept 29, 2021 17:52:05 GMT
The only person with whom I severed ties was a woman who helped with my twins when they were newborns. I was close enough to her that I made a quilt for her, but in the past year or so she has gone full-on world-conspiracy Soros-Rothschilds control everything anti Semitic conspiracy theory about vaccinations, and no, there is no seeing past that difference. My daughter's boyfriend's mom is on the Soros-Rothschilds train. WTF? Guess she doesn't know my daughter is the descendant of German Jews.
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Post by msliz on Sept 29, 2021 18:28:54 GMT
The only person with whom I severed ties was a woman who helped with my twins when they were newborns. I was close enough to her that I made a quilt for her, but in the past year or so she has gone full-on world-conspiracy Soros-Rothschilds control everything anti Semitic conspiracy theory about vaccinations, and no, there is no seeing past that difference. My daughter's boyfriend's mom is on the Soros-Rothschilds train. WTF? Guess she doesn't know my daughter is the descendant of German Jews. Doesn't know or doesn't care. She probably doesn't give a rat's ass about your daughter and would be grateful if they broke up. I stepped away from one friend a few years back due to political, violent, homophobic and "snowflake" posts he made. I still check up on him occasionally, without engaging. He's been surprisingly sensible regarding masks and the vaccine. At least there's that. But we'll never be friends again.
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Post by jlynnbarth on Sept 29, 2021 18:43:03 GMT
None.
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Post by MaryMary on Sept 29, 2021 21:01:36 GMT
I haven't lost any real friendships, although I've given quite a few people the side-eye. Covid has changed how I feel about some extended family, unfortunately.
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Post by katiekaty on Sept 29, 2021 22:05:02 GMT
None. The pandemic wasn’t the reason for stepping back from certain people years ago so I don’t have to deal with them now! And it didn’t have to do with their politics, religion, etc. I can tolerate those differences. I just can’t do stupid as a whole!
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Post by Merge on Sept 30, 2021 1:23:48 GMT
I agree that the division in friends and family started before Covid. But these Trumper/anti-vax people who are literally willing to endanger your life and their own (and the lives of their children and other family members) are in a death cult. No matter how nice or loving they may have seemed, they're now willing to be complicit in killing others because of some "research" they did on the internet. That goes way beyond stupid.
Is that love? Is that friendship? Not the kind I'm interested in. Setting boundaries is healthy and good. Someone who has reckless disregard for the lives of others is outside of my personal boundaries. (And often, they also have no regard for the rights of women or marginalized communities, which also puts them outside of my boundaries.)
I say love yourself and your family enough to keep toxic and dangerous people at a distance.
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