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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 5:16:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 5:19:46 GMT
Thanks for the link. I hope to find time to read it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 5:34:42 GMT
Volume 18 page 27 - 32 has the testimony of an eyewitness...in a vehicle on the street is interesting. Says that Wilson told Brown numerous times to stop...Brown charged him. Wilson shot...Brown paused...as did Wilson...Brown charged again...more shooting.
He even testifies that Wilson actually was moving backwards away from Brown who was moving towards him.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 25, 2014 5:36:45 GMT
Have you read all the way to that? Or have you been led thwre by something.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 5:37:51 GMT
Have you read all the way to that? Or have you been led thwre by something. Just randomly poking around...true. LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 5:51:18 GMT
Volume 10 pages 23 - 31 Another witness who doesn't describe Brown as "charging" but repeatedly asks her husband (whose testimony was taken at an earlier time) "why won't he (Brown) stop"?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 5:52:41 GMT
Volume 10 testimony also says she never saw Brown fall to his knees.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 14:39:14 GMT
Well...I've read through Volume 1 and 2. Volume 1 was the Medical Legal Investigator and there was nothing remarkable there.
Volume 2 was the Crime Scene Detective who testified a few things of interest
p. 71 it's not unusual to have a body at scene almost 4 hrs. It's "fairly common, almost routine". (there was talk about how long Brown's body lay in the street...and 4 hrs does seem crazy to me...and while it may be "fairly common, almost routine" it certainly seems like an area that needs improvement, IMO.
p. 111 the driver side mirror on Wilson's vehicle was pushed forward...to the front of the vehicle.
p. 115 Bullet hole from inside the vehicle
p. 145 153' 9" from vehicle to body.
p. 157 blood spatter patterns farther east of Brown's body. (I didn't see a measurement in this witness testimony...but heard last night it was 25 ft away from the body...further from vehicle)
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Post by ginacivey on Nov 25, 2014 14:46:52 GMT
did the national news carry the entire interview with the prosecuting attorney?
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Nov 25, 2014 14:48:52 GMT
did the national news carry the entire interview with the prosecuting attorney? CNN, Fox and MSNBC carried live coverage. |
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Nov 25, 2014 14:52:17 GMT
I've randomly read some eyewitness accounts, they are all over the place.
Does anyone else find it hard to believe that 60+ people witnessed this 90 second event?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 15:45:03 GMT
I've randomly read some eyewitness accounts, they are all over the place. Does anyone else find it hard to believe that 60+ people witnessed this 90 second event? The prosecutor addressed this.... many of the "eyewitnesses" in the end recanted or changed their testimony. It was my understanding from what he stated that all got to give their accounts to the grand jury prior to the results of autopsies and forensic/physical reports, but were also followed up with on second interviews when it didn't match the forensic/physical evidence. He definitely drew a line between credible and no-credible witnesses....
Some just testified based on what they read on social media but originally claimed to be eyewitnesses.....ugh....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 15:47:45 GMT
Volume 3 highlights of interest
Testimony from another crime scene detective...board certified Senior Crime Scene analyst who interviewed Wilson at hospital
p.22 He observed no open wounds or cuts...Darren Wilson was not and had not bled. Wilson confirmed this to be true.
p. 26 blood stain on left thigh of Wilson's pants
p.42 Can't dust gun for prints AND swab for DNA...the decision was made to swab for DNA
p. 49 Wilson's DNA taken at hospital
p. 52 The Forensic Pathologist who did initial autopsy on Aug 10
p. 95 Brown was 6'5".
Wounds on the body were analyzed.
p. 151 Wounds on arm and chest could have Brown still upright and ability to be mobile for a while.
p. 159 Even being shot in the eye could have Brown still upright and ability to be mobile.
p. 170 fatal wound to top of head.
p. 188 No evidence of injury to Brown's neck (I think it was Dorian Johnson that said Wilson had MB by the neck in the window of Wilson's vehicle) |
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 25, 2014 15:49:04 GMT
They are going over the testimony with a fine tooth comb on CNN today. It appears, from what I am hearing at least, that the grand jury was pretty thorough with the questions that they asked to clarify information.
It is a interesting glimpse into the grand jury system for those of us who haven't ever really been a part of it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 16:00:37 GMT
Do you think the report and all the evidence and testimony being released will change ANYONE's mind? Or are people so entrenched in the "hands up, don't shoot" mentality that they'll refuse to believe the facts?
I feel like Brown's family could do some real good here, if they can let go of their pride. Not to mention all the leaders who have perpetuated this untruth.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 16:16:45 GMT
Do you think the report and all the evidence and testimony being released will change ANYONE's mind? Or are people so entrenched in the "hands up, don't shoot" mentality that they'll refuse to believe the facts? I feel like Brown's family could do some real good here, if they can let go of their pride. Not to mention all the leaders who have perpetuated this untruth. I think people will still most certainly cling to the "hands up, don't shoot" mentality...facts be damned.
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Post by mzza111 on Nov 25, 2014 16:26:59 GMT
I feel like Brown's family could do some real good here, if they can let go of their pride. Not to mention all the leaders who have perpetuated this untruth. What? In your eyes, what exactly has the family NOT done? Let go of their pride?  WOW! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 16:31:43 GMT
I feel like Brown's family could do some real good here, if they can let go of their pride. Not to mention all the leaders who have perpetuated this untruth. What? In your eyes, what exactly has the family NOT done? Let go of their pride? WOW! From statements I read last night attributed to them, they do feel their son was wrongfully killed and the officer should be held accountable. I think they have already done some amazing things but I wish they'd do more to calm things down now that the facts are out. And there are leaders still making statements that act like the facts didn't happen, that he was wrongfully killed. Every human being has pride and hates to admit when they're wrong. It takes a big person to do that. That's all I meant. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 16:38:54 GMT
What? In your eyes, what exactly has the family NOT done? Let go of their pride? WOW! From statements I read last night attributed to them, they do feel their son was wrongfully killed and the officer should be held accountable. I think they have already done some amazing things but I wish they'd do more to calm things down now that the facts are out. And there are leaders still making statements that act like the facts didn't happen, that he was wrongfully killed. Every human being has pride and hates to admit when they're wrong. It takes a big person to do that. That's all I meant. They are not responsible for the actions of others. And they have the right to believe their child was wrongfully killed as well. They have called for peaceful protest that goes beyond their responsibilities. It has nothing to do with pride. That was their child. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 16:47:01 GMT
From statements I read last night attributed to them, they do feel their son was wrongfully killed and the officer should be held accountable. I think they have already done some amazing things but I wish they'd do more to calm things down now that the facts are out. And there are leaders still making statements that act like the facts didn't happen, that he was wrongfully killed. Every human being has pride and hates to admit when they're wrong. It takes a big person to do that. That's all I meant. They are not responsible for the actions of others. And they have the right to believe their child was wrongfully killed as well. They have called for peaceful protest that goes beyond their responsibilities. It has nothing to do with pride. That was their child. Got it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 16:49:14 GMT
Do you think the report and all the evidence and testimony being released will change ANYONE's mind? Or are people so entrenched in the "hands up, don't shoot" mentality that they'll refuse to believe the facts? I feel like Brown's family could do some real good here, if they can let go of their pride. Not to mention all the leaders who have perpetuated this untruth. I know my cousin is refusing to acknowledge the evidence. Her son is half black, half Korean (she is Korean) and many of her friends are black and are not acknowledging the whole truth. I remember seeing one of her friends comment on FB that he wanted to go there to join the protests. I don't know if he would be a part of the peaceful ones or the looting ones. |
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Post by Nink on Nov 25, 2014 17:12:42 GMT
Do you think the report and all the evidence and testimony being released will change ANYONE's mind? Or are people so entrenched in the "hands up, don't shoot" mentality that they'll refuse to believe the facts? I feel like Brown's family could do some real good here, if they can let go of their pride. Not to mention all the leaders who have perpetuated this untruth. If posts on FB are any indication, people are clinging on to the hands up, don't shoot, he was shot in cold blood theory for their lives. Facts be damned. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 17:22:13 GMT
Volume 4 - Dorian Johnson testimony starts on page 13.
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Post by lucyg on Nov 25, 2014 17:59:57 GMT
From statements I read last night attributed to them, they do feel their son was wrongfully killed and the officer should be held accountable. I think they have already done some amazing things but I wish they'd do more to calm things down now that the facts are out. And there are leaders still making statements that act like the facts didn't happen, that he was wrongfully killed. Every human being has pride and hates to admit when they're wrong. It takes a big person to do that. That's all I meant. They are not responsible for the actions of others. And they have the right to believe their child was wrongfully killed as well. They have called for peaceful protest that goes beyond their responsibilities. It has nothing to do with pride. That was their child. Like everything else, they have a right to their own opinions but not to their own facts. They may go to their graves believing their son was wrongfully killed, but if the evidence doesn't support that conclusion, they will be wrong. Hopefully, if that is the case (I only know what Jenny has posted here, I haven't read any of it myself), the parents will be able to overcome their desire for their son not to be responsible for his own death and continue to encourage the community to remain peaceful. I see a lot of wording from the community and commentators that this young man was murdered. If the evidence doesn't support that claim, and if the parents say they don't believe he was murdered, that would go a long way toward calming the violence. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 18:15:05 GMT
They are not responsible for the actions of others. And they have the right to believe their child was wrongfully killed as well. They have called for peaceful protest that goes beyond their responsibilities. It has nothing to do with pride. That was their child. Like everything else, they have a right to their own opinions but not to their own facts. They may go to their graves believing their son was wrongfully killed, but if the evidence doesn't support that conclusion, they will be wrong. Hopefully, if that is the case (I only know what Jenny has posted here, I haven't read any of it myself), the parents will be able to overcome their desire for their son not to be responsible for his own death and continue to encourage the community to remain peaceful. I see a lot of wording from the community and commentators that this young man was murdered. If the evidence doesn't support that claim, and if the parents say they don't believe he was murdered, that would go a long way toward calming the violence. Thanks, Lucy. You phrased it much better than I did. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 18:38:45 GMT
They are not responsible for the actions of others. And they have the right to believe their child was wrongfully killed as well. They have called for peaceful protest that goes beyond their responsibilities. It has nothing to do with pride. That was their child. Like everything else, they have a right to their own opinions but not to their own facts. They may go to their graves believing their son was wrongfully killed, but if the evidence doesn't support that conclusion, they will be wrong. Hopefully, if that is the case (I only know what Jenny has posted here, I haven't read any of it myself), the parents will be able to overcome their desire for their son not to be responsible for his own death and continue to encourage the community to remain peaceful. I see a lot of wording from the community and commentators that this young man was murdered. If the evidence doesn't support that claim, and if the parents say they don't believe he was murdered, that would go a long way toward calming the violence. And I still stand by my opinion that it is not their responsibility to tell others to behave. They already called for peaceful protests. That is enough. This does not lay on their shoulders in anyway shape or form. The only ones responsible are the ones looting and breaking the law. No one else. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 18:40:23 GMT
Scoot over, Lucy. I'm sitting next to you on this one.
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Post by jenn on Nov 25, 2014 18:42:17 GMT
I was just flipping around the channels and one person mentioned that Brown was a few days away from entering college. Is this true?
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Post by SnowWhite on Nov 25, 2014 20:06:18 GMT
people are clinging on to the hands up, don't shoot I know it's not entirely relevant in this situation, but as someone who teaches martial arts/self-defense, this posture is something we teach and train on a regular basis. Hands up, just in front of your shoulders, body angled, repeating the mantra 'look man, I don't want any problems'. It's one of the best stances to take from an offensive and defensive position and it has the bonus of appearing to onlookers as if you were surrendering. |
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Post by giatocj on Nov 25, 2014 20:33:58 GMT
Is Michael Brown's stepfather yelling "Burn this bitch down" calling for peaceful protests? I don't think so...I think it's inciting an already volatile crowd to behave like a bunch of lawless assholes. Stepfather's comments
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