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Post by pjaye on Feb 24, 2022 4:18:06 GMT
This was one of the interviews I was talking about:
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Post by auntiepeas on Feb 24, 2022 4:18:41 GMT
Our (admittedly useless) Prime Minister has spoken this morning, before this official declaration. Mainly about economic sanctions against Russia affecting banking/trade/travel etc. No doubt Australia will back up any military actions the USA takes. Our Foreign Affairs Minister instructed Government officials to “call in” the Russian Ambassador yesterday for a dressing down. Russia’s annual exports to NZ only amount to $250m so any sanctions we could realistically impose are more likely to be symbolic, rather than hugely consequential, but we’re likely to be working closely with our allies even so. Some in the media here are calling for us to try to co-ordinate a coherent response from our Asia Pacific partner forums (ASEAN etc).
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Post by mom on Feb 24, 2022 4:22:41 GMT
This was one of the interviews I was talking about: When I lived in Russia, I became friends with a girl that lives in the apartment next to us. I still follow/keep in touch with her. On her instagram tonight she is praising Putin and saying the west is blowing this out of context. That its not 'really a war' and they are only taking back what is theirs. Makes me sick. She is normally a pretty level headed woman but in the last month or so I have seen a real shift in her thinking and what she believes is happening. Its scary.
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Post by SAHM wannabe on Feb 24, 2022 4:23:47 GMT
In his speech Putin warned western leaders that they should not interfere, along with a reminder that they are a nuclear power.
Reported by MSNBC.
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Post by hopemax on Feb 24, 2022 4:26:32 GMT
He wants to put the USSR back together. If he’s not stopped, the baltics will be next. Yep. Putin has always made it clear that putting the USSR back together is his goal. This is scary as hell. Who is going to try to stop him? Will the world let him run roughshod over the Balkins like Hitler did in Europe? I've seen some postulate that Putin likens himself to the Romanovs and this is not just about the USSR, but the whole Russian Empire. Given his speech on Monday, including Finland as part of the Russian family in his rant against Lenin, and these actions we have to consider that his grand vision goes beyond the USSR, but into Eastern Europe. If he is willing to risk WWIII, which is what involvement in NATO countries (the Baltics, Poland, Romania) risks, he's essentially putting his chips "all-in" which if he has misplayed this, it will lead to the end of him. I had wrongly assumed that he was more tactical and pragmatic than he appears to be now. He would go for smaller incursions in more pro-Russian areas, that he thought the West would let him get away with, as economics and cost/benefit analysis would triumph over idealistic ideas over sovereignty. A more systematic test of Western resolve. We'll learn over the next few days how far the West will turn the economic screws on the Russian oligarchs who have gotten accustomed to the comforts of Western society that Putin believes is destroying the Russian way of life. Putin can't fund his grand vision on his own.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 24, 2022 4:30:36 GMT
Yep. Putin has always made it clear that putting the USSR back together is his goal. This is scary as hell. Who is going to try to stop him? Will the world let him run roughshod over the Balkins like Hitler did in Europe? I've seen some postulate that Putin likens himself to the Romanovs and this is not just about the USSR, but the whole Russian Empire. Given his speech on Monday, including Finland as part of the Russian family in his rant against Lenin, and these actions we have to consider that his grand vision goes beyond the USSR, but into Eastern Europe. If he is willing to risk WWIII, which is what involvement in NATO countries (the Baltics, Poland, Romania) risks, he's essentially putting his chips "all-in" which if he has misplayed this, it will lead to the end of him. I had wrongly assumed that he was more tactical and pragmatic than he appears to be now. He would go for smaller incursions in more pro-Russian areas, that he thought the West would let him get away with, as economics and cost/benefit analysis would triumph over idealistic ideas over sovereignty. A more systematic test of Western resolve. We'll learn over the next few days how far the West will turn the economic screws on the Russian oligarchs who have gotten accustomed to the comforts of Western society that Putin believes is destroying the Russian way of life. Putin can't fund his grand vision on his own. He’s 70 nearly, maybe he has nothing to lose?
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Post by mom on Feb 24, 2022 4:32:03 GMT
I've seen some postulate that Putin likens himself to the Romanovs and this is not just about the USSR, but the whole Russian Empire. Given his speech on Monday, including Finland as part of the Russian family in his rant against Lenin, and these actions we have to consider that his grand vision goes beyond the USSR, but into Eastern Europe. If he is willing to risk WWIII, which is what involvement in NATO countries (the Baltics, Poland, Romania) risks, he's essentially putting his chips "all-in" which if he has misplayed this, it will lead to the end of him. I had wrongly assumed that he was more tactical and pragmatic than he appears to be now. He would go for smaller incursions in more pro-Russian areas, that he thought the West would let him get away with, as economics and cost/benefit analysis would triumph over idealistic ideas over sovereignty. A more systematic test of Western resolve. We'll learn over the next few days how far the West will turn the economic screws on the Russian oligarchs who have gotten accustomed to the comforts of Western society that Putin believes is destroying the Russian way of life. Putin can't fund his grand vision on his own. He’s 70 nearly, maybe he has nothing to lose? Which scares the shit out of me.
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Post by pjaye on Feb 24, 2022 4:32:26 GMT
This was one of the interviews I was talking about: When I lived in Russia, I became friends with a girl that lives in the apartment next to us. I still follow/keep in touch with her. On her instagram tonight she is praising Putin and saying the west is blowing this out of context. That its not 'really a war' and they are only taking back what is theirs. Makes me sick. She is normally a pretty level headed woman but in the last month or so I have seen a real shift in her thinking and what she believes is happening. Its scary. I work with a Russian lady so I'll have to ask her - but do they have unrestricted access to the web? Can they access foreign (non Russian) news sources? I'm wondering if they get redirected to Russian friendly sites? I guess even with the ability to access other news if you are constantly bombarded with the Russian version of events, you start to believe it...look at how many people in our countries that believe the all covid misinformation. It really hits home when you see these ordinary people talking about staying to defend their country, and they are going to to be bombed etc because of one tyrant.
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Post by mom2kbs on Feb 24, 2022 4:35:10 GMT
Shit...and my YDS is Navy. Hopefully his orders have him on shore duty now. My son is navy too and I have no ability to contact him now. I'll be thinking of you and all our military
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Post by mom on Feb 24, 2022 4:38:24 GMT
When I lived in Russia, I became friends with a girl that lives in the apartment next to us. I still follow/keep in touch with her. On her instagram tonight she is praising Putin and saying the west is blowing this out of context. That its not 'really a war' and they are only taking back what is theirs. Makes me sick. She is normally a pretty level headed woman but in the last month or so I have seen a real shift in her thinking and what she believes is happening. Its scary. I work with a Russian lady so I'll have to ask her - but do they have unrestricted access to the web? Can they access foreign (non Russian) news sources? I'm wondering if they get redirected to Russian friendly sites? I guess even with the ability to access other news if you are constantly bombarded with the Russian version of events, you start to believe it...look at how many people in our countries that believe the all covid misinformation. It really hits home when you see these ordinary people talking about staying to defend their country, and they are going to to be bombed etc because of one tyrant. I know Ksenia (my friend) has access to instagram + Facebook as of about an hour ago. Not sure about access to news sites. I m quite certain, though, she is only hearing one side of things.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 24, 2022 4:42:59 GMT
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Post by cmpeter on Feb 24, 2022 4:49:51 GMT
I work with a team of folks in Kyiv. I’m so scared for them. We haven’t been able to get an update from them yet tonight.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 24, 2022 4:51:34 GMT
Shit...and my YDS is Navy. Hopefully his orders have him on shore duty now. My son is navy too and I have no ability to contact him now. I'll be thinking of you and all our military Thinking of you and your boys!! Actually young men!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 24, 2022 4:54:45 GMT
Shit...and my YDS is Navy. Hopefully his orders have him on shore duty now. Im worried too. DS2 is up for a deployment. Because of where he is based, China misbehaving is a bigger worry for me though. thinking of you and your DS!
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Post by mom on Feb 24, 2022 5:00:07 GMT
I work with a team of folks in Kyiv. I’m so scared for them. We haven’t been able to get an update from them yet tonight. Oh that is horrible. I hope they are ok. So many innocent people are stuck in the middle of this.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Feb 24, 2022 5:28:46 GMT
I work with a team of folks in Kyiv. I’m so scared for them. We haven’t been able to get an update from them yet tonight. praying for them
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Post by ntsf on Feb 24, 2022 5:32:44 GMT
I think of the men and women in the armed forces and all those in the ukrainian military and those civilian forces who are called up to fight.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Feb 24, 2022 5:33:29 GMT
Totally disgusting and trying to once again bring it back to him and his false narrative. This isn’t about him well he was encouraging it by fawning all over him. But still … So sad to see this happening snd praying for all the innocent people
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Post by KiwiJo on Feb 24, 2022 5:43:29 GMT
When I lived in Russia, I became friends with a girl that lives in the apartment next to us. I still follow/keep in touch with her. On her instagram tonight she is praising Putin and saying the west is blowing this out of context. That its not 'really a war' and they are only taking back what is theirs. Makes me sick. She is normally a pretty level headed woman but in the last month or so I have seen a real shift in her thinking and what she believes is happening. Its scary. I work with a Russian lady so I'll have to ask her - but do they have unrestricted access to the web? Can they access foreign (non Russian) news sources? I'm wondering if they get redirected to Russian friendly sites? I guess even with the ability to access other news if you are constantly bombarded with the Russian version of events, you start to believe it...look at how many people in our countries that believe the all covid misinformation. It really hits home when you see these ordinary people talking about staying to defend their country, and they are going to to be bombed etc because of one tyrant. I think that Russian people have unrestricted access to the internet and foreign news. DH and I spent almost 3 weeks in Russia in 2019 and we certainly didn’t see anything to suggest otherwise. We spent time in Moscow, St Petersburg, and also a river cruise between the 2 cities, which included time every day in small towns where we often met and chatted with locals (well, those who spoke English of course!). While we were mostly with the cruise people for the length of the cruise, we were by ourselves in Moscow and St Petersburg with no restrictions at all, and didn’t see any sign of the locals having any sort of restrictions either. ETA: I’ve just done a bit of googling and it seems the Russian government does indeed censor some URLs but (so far) it seems to focus on social media rather than news sites. Here’s a couple of websites: Russia is escalating it campaign to control the internet (April 2021] Wikipedia
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 24, 2022 5:52:40 GMT
Reports that Russian troops have crossed into Ukraine. So does Ukraine have a plan to protect their country? So far I haven’t seen any reports that they are responding to the invasion in any way.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 24, 2022 6:10:13 GMT
He’s 70 nearly, maybe he has nothing to lose? Which scares the shit out of me. Yep. As for your friend, Russian propaganda is pretty effective, as we’ve seen with Covid - they’re absolute masters at it. Ukraine is a sovereign nation. It’s no more theirs, than Latvia or Lithuania are. I follow one Russian YouTuber, I’m really interested in her take on this, if she has one. She seems to have unfettered access to Vlog, but she rarely talks about the current government. Personally they need to sanction Belarus too, they’ve clearly made their choice, and thrown their lot in. How long did you live in Russia and where?
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 24, 2022 6:16:02 GMT
Reports that Russian troops have crossed into Ukraine. So does Ukraine have a plan to protect their country? So far I haven’t seen any reports that they are responding to the invasion in any way. They do have a strong military, certainly not numbers wise Russia sized though. And they do have compulsory military service at some point, I think?
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Post by cmpeter on Feb 24, 2022 6:22:51 GMT
I was able to IM with a Ukrainian team member in Kyiv. They are OK. No sleep for the past two days, very stressed. I can’t imagine how scared they are. Its just unbelievable that they have to deal with this.
I feel for all of you with enlisted family members and hope they remain safe.
My grandparents fled Ukraine during WWII. Like many their story was horrific. We always thought my grandmother was being a bit dramatic when she swore to never return for a visit, even though she really wanted to see her childhood town and family who stayed behind. She’s totally saying “I told you so now”.
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Post by mom on Feb 24, 2022 6:36:46 GMT
Which scares the shit out of me. Yep. As for your friend, Russian propaganda is pretty effective, as we’ve seen with Covid - they’re absolute masters at it. Ukraine is a sovereign nation. It’s no more theirs, than Latvia or Lithuania are. I follow one Russian YouTuber, I’m really interested in her take on this, if she has one. She seems to have unfettered access to Vlog, but she rarely talks about the current government. Personally they need to sanction Belarus too, they’ve clearly made their choice, and thrown their lot in. How long did you live in Russia and where? I was an exchange student, so I was there for just under a year. I lived in Kaliningrad.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 24, 2022 6:43:29 GMT
Wow, ceased trading on the Moscow stock market? He had to know something like that was coming, right?
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 24, 2022 6:49:47 GMT
Yep. As for your friend, Russian propaganda is pretty effective, as we’ve seen with Covid - they’re absolute masters at it. Ukraine is a sovereign nation. It’s no more theirs, than Latvia or Lithuania are. I follow one Russian YouTuber, I’m really interested in her take on this, if she has one. She seems to have unfettered access to Vlog, but she rarely talks about the current government. Personally they need to sanction Belarus too, they’ve clearly made their choice, and thrown their lot in. How long did you live in Russia and where? I was an exchange student, so I was there for just under a year. I lived in Kaliningrad. Oh that would’ve been a super interesting experience! I’m fascinated just watching this YouTube family I watch.
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Post by snowsilver on Feb 24, 2022 7:07:27 GMT
Reports that Russian troops have crossed into Ukraine. So does Ukraine have a plan to protect their country? So far I haven’t seen any reports that they are responding to the invasion in any way. I've just been listening to BBC news. Most assuredly Ukraine has a plan. The former ambassador was on and he said they are prepared to fight to the death. The only problem is that as strong as the Ukraine military is (and it is MUCH stronger than it was in 2014 when Russia tried this before) they simply cannot compete in numbers or in military equipment. These people don't have a chance if the world doesn't help. It will be interesting in the next few days to see how many hawks and how many doves we have in this country now. Very interesting. Another thing that was said in the news broadcast is that we Americans will most definitely be affected in major ways. We can expect cyber warfare if nothing else. Apparently our banks and other financial institutions have quietly been preparing. This is going to be very ugly unless of course the world sits back and lets Putin do as he pleases.
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Post by sueg on Feb 24, 2022 7:11:32 GMT
DH's main HR person here is Ukrainian. Just a couple of weeks ago, her parents came here as her dad needed medical tests that were easier and quicker to get here in Germany. After the tests, they had planned to go home to Ukraine and come back to Germany for the treatment, whenever that happened. Thankfully, the doctor came back and said they could do the surgery this week, so they stayed. Of course, they now have no idea when they will be able to return home, but Anna (HR person) says they will manage here until it is safe.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 24, 2022 7:28:13 GMT
It’s a trip watching the Russians on Twitter.
It is however an equally ugly trip watching Americans on there justify this.
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Post by gar on Feb 24, 2022 9:28:06 GMT
Devastated that this is actually happening one of those moments in history...
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