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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 10:32:35 GMT
I have been watching the news here the last few hours and have watched it escalate. Bombings all over Ukraine.
Hard to even know what Putin's end game is now.
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Post by gillyp on Feb 24, 2022 10:54:42 GMT
I was just scrolling through the thread and THIS in sassyangel's signature line jumped out at me : “Remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi something to hang onto, imho.
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Post by gar on Feb 24, 2022 11:10:46 GMT
I was just scrolling through the thread and THIS in sassyangel 's signature line jumped out at me : “Remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi something to hang onto, imho. Trying...
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Feb 24, 2022 11:16:16 GMT
Well, I guess his statement isn’t actually wrong since the rigged election of 2016 did help get us here.
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Post by lisapea on Feb 24, 2022 11:25:24 GMT
My SIL deployed a few weeks ago. We are with our daughter and their 4 month old, helping however we can.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 11:58:54 GMT
Things that are happening minute by minute are very frightening. Putin has nothing to loose, he's been planning this for years, and executing his vison bit by bit he wants the power at all cost, even to himself.
NATO member states Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania have triggered NATO Article 4 to launch consultations within the alliance. Consultation under Article 4 can lead to collective action among the 30 member states. There are a number of NATO troops in these countries already, no doubt more will be sent now.
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Post by pyccku on Feb 24, 2022 12:15:59 GMT
Those who support Putin over Biden just because they think he's on their side can go to hell. Shame on them.
If autocracy comes to the US, these are the people who will happily be turning in their neighbors for an extra $10. These are the people who will happily run the camps to get rid of the undesirables.
These people are always with us - weak people who have no moral sense of right and wrong. They pretend to be Christian, many times. But the message of Christ has never been the reason for their faith. No, they plan to use it as a cudgel to control and destroy those who are different from them - they look, act, speak or believe differently. Nazis under any other name are still Nazis - just with a slightly different flag.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 12:35:19 GMT
The Arabic news channels are showing Russian helicopters flying low about 20 km (10 miles) from Kyiv. Very frightening.
I don't forsee Putin coming in for a looksee and turning around going home.
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Post by Linda on Feb 24, 2022 12:38:16 GMT
Shit...and my YDS is Navy. Hopefully his orders have him on shore duty now. Im worried too. DS2 is up for a deployment. Because of where he is based, China misbehaving is a bigger worry for me though. Youngest DGS is Army Ft Campbell My son is navy too and I have no ability to contact him now. I'll be thinking of you and all our military My SIL deployed a few weeks ago. We are with our daughter and their 4 month old, helping however we can. praying for members of our military. My DS is in a deployable command so worried also." Praying also for the Ukraine and for peace
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 24, 2022 12:43:56 GMT
It feels like the world has time-traveled to 1939.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 24, 2022 12:48:49 GMT
And there’s this. Putin is cracking down on anyone who might oppose him in Russia.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 24, 2022 12:54:42 GMT
And these Americans support Putin. Guess why? Guess which party they belong to. 😡 This stuff sounds fringe to clear-thinking people. But this show has an audience. And that audience is listening to this propaganda.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 24, 2022 12:55:17 GMT
I was just scrolling through the thread and THIS in sassyangel 's signature line jumped out at me : “Remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi something to hang onto, imho. Trying... Same.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 24, 2022 12:56:19 GMT
Those who support Putin over Biden just because they think he's on their side can go to hell. Shame on them. If autocracy comes to the US, these are the people who will happily be turning in their neighbors for an extra $10. These are the people who will happily run the camps to get rid of the undesirables. These people are always with us - weak people who have no moral sense of right and wrong. They pretend to be Christian, many times. But the message of Christ has never been the reason for their faith. No, they plan to use it as a cudgel to control and destroy those who are different from them - they look, act, speak or believe differently. Nazis under any other name are still Nazis - just with a slightly different flag. Bears repeating.
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Post by gar on Feb 24, 2022 12:58:38 GMT
It feels like the world has time-traveled to 1939. Thats how I feel.
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Post by gar on Feb 24, 2022 12:59:26 GMT
And there’s this. Putin is cracking down on anyone who might oppose him in Russia. His megalomania knows no bounds...
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Post by pyccku on Feb 24, 2022 13:01:14 GMT
The problem with these sorts of things is that while yes, eventually they die or get overthrown - that doesn't change the outcome for the millions who lose their lives in the meantime, or have their lives upended. We got through WW2 - but millions of people didn't. For them, the regime never ended. We are getting through COVID - but millions of people haven't. For millions more, they are fighting with the long-term effects of the disease and we don't know how long it will last or how bad those will be. There are many countries that have always been authoritarian and show no signs of changing, ever. People live their entire lives under these conditions. While it's nice to believe that someday things will get better, it is also a bit naive to think that it's all going to be fine someday - it may be, but you and your loved ones may or may not be around to enjoy those days.
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Post by paulao on Feb 24, 2022 13:07:48 GMT
The son of a friend of a friend has been deployed to Ukraine.
I can’t deal with the tRump propaganda. Is he saying that if he had been re elected this wouldn’t have happened because he opened foreign relations with Putin?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 24, 2022 13:18:51 GMT
Trump and those like him just piss me off so much. I’m sure Obama and others previous presidents were outraged by what Trump said daily, but they stayed quiet for the most part and let him (try to) govern in his way. It would be so nice if he would just shut the hell up and go away. And take Steve Bannon, Tucker Carlson and others with him.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 24, 2022 13:20:35 GMT
Reports that Russian troops have crossed into Ukraine. So does Ukraine have a plan to protect their country? So far I haven’t seen any reports that they are responding to the invasion in any way. I've just been listening to BBC news. Most assuredly Ukraine has a plan. The former ambassador was on and he said they are prepared to fight to the death. The only problem is that as strong as the Ukraine military is (and it is MUCH stronger than it was in 2014 when Russia tried this before) they simply cannot compete in numbers or in military equipment. These people don't have a chance if the world doesn't help. It will be interesting in the next few days to see how many hawks and how many doves we have in this country now. Very interesting. Another thing that was said in the news broadcast is that we Americans will most definitely be affected in major ways. We can expect cyber warfare if nothing else. Apparently our banks and other financial institutions have quietly been preparing. This is going to be very ugly unless of course the world sits back and lets Putin do as he pleases. I know they have been talking like they are going to fight back, but so far haven’t seen it. I’m wondering why they didn’t have their own troops by the border to keep Russians from coming in? I’m still not hearing about Ukraine is doing in response.
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Post by pyccku on Feb 24, 2022 13:33:38 GMT
I’m wondering why they didn’t have their own troops by the border to keep Russians from coming in? I’m still not hearing about Ukraine is doing in response. Keep in mind that Ukraine was trying to avoid being caught "provoking" an attack by Russia. The plan was for a false flag operation, but Ukraine didn't bite. When that didn't work, Putin just said "screw it" and invaded on whatever pretext he thought sounded good.
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Post by Linda on Feb 24, 2022 13:35:46 GMT
The son of a friend of a friend has been deployed to Ukraine. prayers
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Post by gar on Feb 24, 2022 13:36:06 GMT
I’m wondering why they didn’t have their own troops by the border to keep Russians from coming in? I’m still not hearing about Ukraine is doing in response. They have mounted a robust response according to The BBC reporter in the area a moment ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 13:38:27 GMT
And these Americans support Putin. Guess why? Guess which party they belong to. 😡 This stuff sounds fringe to clear-thinking people. But this show has an audience. And that audience is listening to this propaganda. What have I been saying FOR YEARS.
It is about white Christian Nationalism. Country be damned. It's about setting up patriarchal, misogynist, white, cis-het society where white men RULE ALL again.
If they have to get into bed w/Hitler's ghost and Putin, they'll slide right in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 13:47:45 GMT
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Post by tincin on Feb 24, 2022 13:50:56 GMT
Well, I guess his statement isn’t actually wrong since the rigged election of 2016 did help get us here. Surely you can’t be serious. I’m not going to rehash the past 2 years but to say investigations have proven this to be false. I know it’s difficult to lose but he said the same lies about the 2016 election until he won.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 13:53:58 GMT
PS - Looks like the GOP is aiming to help ensure we have enough "law enforcement" when the time comes. TX allows their citizens to be bounty hunters against women having abortion. TN wants to ensure their gun-nuts can act be classed as "law enforcement" "Fury over ‘reckless’ Tennessee bill that would class some gun owners as police "Gun safety advocates condemn proposal introduced in state legislature as ‘blatant attempt to legalize armed vigilantism’" The proposed law, introduced in the Tennessee house and senate this month, “expands the definition of ‘law enforcement officer’” to include civilians who hold an enhanced handgun-carry permit – earned by taking an eight-hour handgun safety course and paying a $100 fee.... Scottie DeLashmit, the president of Tennessee State Lodge for the Fraternal Order of Police, told ABC that officers “spend countless hours” honing their skills, and must qualify annually with the same weapons. DeLashmit added that officers also spend hours training in “driving, criminal law, defensive tactics, etc.” “These vigorous standards are in place to ensure officers are familiar with their weapons,” DeLashmit said in the statement. “The enhanced handgun carry permit training is far less demanding than anything required from a cadet attending a basic law enforcement academy.” www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/24/tennessee-gun-owners-bill-police-legislationAre you woke yet?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 13:59:01 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 24, 2022 14:07:51 GMT
Reports that Russian troops have crossed into Ukraine. So does Ukraine have a plan to protect their country? So far I haven’t seen any reports that they are responding to the invasion in any way. I've just been listening to BBC news. Most assuredly Ukraine has a plan. The former ambassador was on and he said they are prepared to fight to the death. The only problem is that as strong as the Ukraine military is (and it is MUCH stronger than it was in 2014 when Russia tried this before) they simply cannot compete in numbers or in military equipment. These people don't have a chance if the world doesn't help. It will be interesting in the next few days to see how many hawks and how many doves we have in this country now. Very interesting. Another thing that was said in the news broadcast is that we Americans will most definitely be affected in major ways. We can expect cyber warfare if nothing else. Apparently our banks and other financial institutions have quietly been preparing. This is going to be very ugly unless of course the world sits back and lets Putin do as he pleases. We are arming Ukraine, but aside from that and sanctions, our options are very limited. At least, that is what I am reading.
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