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Post by circusjohnson on Feb 24, 2022 14:08:53 GMT
For republicans saying that we shouldn't be involved, they need to be reminded Of the Budapest Memorandum from 1994. We, Russia, and the Uk convinced Ukraine to get rid of their Nuclear Weapons in the 90's, recognizing their boarders and sovereignty as well offering support within the UN, should those boarders be invaded. We have a moral obligation to Ukraine.
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Post by Really Red on Feb 24, 2022 14:16:18 GMT
I don't feel like everyone (read the US) understands the ramifications of this action.
I cannot believe that anyone supports someone who call this action "genius."
I hope everyone's children and spouses who are in the service stay safe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 14:30:05 GMT
I am watching both CNN and the Arabic news. Coverage is somewhat different. The Arabic channel is showing actual shelling and bombing of what might be some civilian areas. Looks like full on conflict from both sides. It is just frightening to watch.
First, let me say that my heart goes out to all of the Peas who have loved ones serving in the military and might be or have been deployed. Having served in the Air Force myself, it's what we do...go where we are needed. But we leave those behind that carry the worry. My thoughts will be with you and your families and hope that this calms quickly and your loved ones are out of harms way.
Second, the sick f£%&s that are praising Putin or giving him support...they talk like they have big balls and all, but I guarantee you that when war comes knocking on their door...they will be the first to shit their pants. I see them as nothing but weak "keyboard warriors" who don't have an ounce of courage in their little finger!
Lastly, I understand the measured response from the world leaders. Once other countries and especially the big ones like the US and the UK step boots on the ground, this becomes WWIII. This MUST be avoided at ALL costs. And it is that which I think Putin knows. I am only guessing, but I do think Putin figures he can push it all the way to the edge because he KNOWS that a full on conflict is the last thing his adversaries want.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 14:39:04 GMT
Feb. 23, 2020 - RUSSIA tells ISRAEL to stop the land grabs.Things you can't make up: "DMITRY A. POLYANSKIY (Russian Federation) said the stagnation and de facto deadlock in resolving the issue have led to a spike in violence in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, citing the settlement activities, forced evictions, home demolitions, confiscation of land and changing of the status quo of the Aqsa Mosque compound. He expressed concern about the sharp rise in attacks on civilians, noting that the high-profile eviction in Sheikh Jarrah in January led to a wave of protests. He also expressed concern about Tel Aviv’s plan to expand settlement activities in the Golan Heights, adding that the Russian Federation does not recognize Israel’s sovereignty over that area, which forms an integral part of Syria. He called on all parties to refrain from provocation and unilateral steps, and for direct negotiations between the sides to pave the way towards a new political horizon on a widely accepted international basis. " www.un.org/press/en/2022/sc14802.doc.htm
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Post by pyccku on Feb 24, 2022 14:44:13 GMT
It is about white Christian Nationalism. Country be damned. It's about setting up patriarchal, misogynist, white, cis-het society where white men RULE ALL again. The crazy thing is that they all fall for the BS that the leaders are Christian, just like them. Trump and Putin aren't actually believers - they just see the church as something to be used for their own purposes. How many of the American white Christian nationalists know much about Russia, other than "they don't like LGBTQ people"? How many of them know anything at all about the Russian Orthodox church? How many of them know about the massive number of non-white people who live in Russia? Very, very few...I'd love to see one of these Evangelical Christians attend a Russian Orthodox church - their heads would explode at all of the things they would consider non-Christian. They don't like the Catholic church - the saints, the icons, the crossing one's self, the fast days, confession, etc - Put that on steroids and you'll have the Orthodox church. I know they have been talking like they are going to fight back, but so far haven’t seen it. I’m wondering why they didn’t have their own troops by the border to keep Russians from coming in? I’m still not hearing about Ukraine is doing in response. Ukrainians all over Europe (Poland in particular) are returning to Ukraine to fight. Civilians are armed and have been undergoing training on the weekends. Their military is fighting back. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not happening. Keep in mind that anything shared on the media can be traced and used against them, so it's also a security issue.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 24, 2022 14:45:36 GMT
I am watching both CNN and the Arabic news. Coverage is somewhat different. The Arabic channel is showing actual shelling and bombing of what might be some civilian areas. Looks like full on conflict from both sides. It is just frightening to watch. First, let me say that my heart goes out to all of the Peas who have loved ones serving in the military and might be or have been deployed. Having served in the Air Force myself, it's what we do...go where we are needed. But we leave those behind that carry the worry. My thoughts will be with you and your families and hope that this calms quickly and your loved ones are out of harms way. Second, the sick f£%&s that are praising Putin or giving him support...they talk like they have big balls and all, but I guarantee you that when war comes knocking on their door...they will be the first to shit their pants. I see them as nothing but weak "keyboard warriors" who don't have an ounce of courage in their little finger! Lastly, I understand the measured response from the world leaders. Once other countries and especially the big ones like the US and the UK step boots on the ground, this becomes WWIII. This MUST be avoided at ALL costs. And it is that which I think Putin knows. I am only guessing, but I do think Putin figures he can push it all the way to the edge because he KNOWS that a full on conflict is the last thing his adversaries want. I think that you are exactly right. There has been speculation that Putin seems unhinged in a way that he never has been seen before. It seems plausible.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 24, 2022 14:46:56 GMT
As a European, I was ready to jump in here and get active but reading these first four pages, I'm just going to nope out of here. I'm getting flashbacks of Americans "teaching" me about the world wars and it's not helping. I'm pissed right now. And the German leadership can fuck right off for yet again not wanting to untangle their little tech hand from Russian's energy hand. It's time for them to understand the implications of the current climate crisis, reverse the extremely negative press and reputation of nuclear power for a few decades until we find a better solution instead of playing dangerous games for Russian gas. This is a Trojan horse they keep letting back into the fort over and over again. There won't be peace even when eventually Putin backs down, period. This is a strategic management game but you can't keep thinking about that one energy source as your end goal 'cause it fucks everything up and you lose again, and again, and again.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 24, 2022 14:47:42 GMT
I am watching both CNN and the Arabic news. Coverage is somewhat different. The Arabic channel is showing actual shelling and bombing of what might be some civilian areas. Looks like full on conflict from both sides. It is just frightening to watch. First, let me say that my heart goes out to all of the Peas who have loved ones serving in the military and might be or have been deployed. Having served in the Air Force myself, it's what we do...go where we are needed. But we leave those behind that carry the worry. My thoughts will be with you and your families and hope that this calms quickly and your loved ones are out of harms way. Second, the sick f£%&s that are praising Putin or giving him support...they talk like they have big balls and all, but I guarantee you that when war comes knocking on their door...they will be the first to shit their pants. I see them as nothing but weak "keyboard warriors" who don't have an ounce of courage in their little finger! Lastly, I understand the measured response from the world leaders. Once other countries and especially the big ones like the US and the UK step boots on the ground, this becomes WWIII. This MUST be avoided at ALL costs. And it is that which I think Putin knows. I am only guessing, but I do think Putin figures he can push it all the way to the edge because he KNOWS that a full on conflict is the last thing his adversaries want. I agree with all of this. You last paragraph is important. It seems that other countries are in a lose-lose situation. It seems inevitable that Ukraine on it's own would fall to Russia, which seems unthinkable that people wouldn't get involved to stop that. But on the other hand, if we do get involved with troops, it could end up even worse all around. Who knows what Russia and China would do. I just not sure what the answer is at this point. I don't think Putin will stop with Ukraine.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 14:49:59 GMT
Here's the video of what he said in full. Fortunately both sides of the political fence here are in agreement and the condemnation is the same from all politician whatever their political leaning.
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Post by sideways on Feb 24, 2022 15:01:47 GMT
As a European, I was ready to jump in here and get active but reading these first four pages, I'm just going to nope out of here. I'm getting flashbacks of Americans "teaching" me about the world wars and it's not helping. I'm pissed right now. And the German leadership can fuck right off for yet again not wanting to untangle their little tech hand from Russian's energy hand. It's time for them to understand the implications of the current climate crisis, reverse the extremely negative press and reputation of nuclear power for a few decades until we find a better solution instead of playing dangerous games for Russian gas. This is a Trojan horse they keep letting back into the fort over and over again. There won't be peace even when eventually Putin backs down, period. This is a strategic management game but you can't keep thinking about that one energy source as your end goal 'cause it fucks everything up and you lose again, and again, and again. I’d like to hear more from your perspective, but I understand why you’d rather not.
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 24, 2022 15:02:17 GMT
I am watching both CNN and the Arabic news. Coverage is somewhat different. The Arabic channel is showing actual shelling and bombing of what might be some civilian areas. Looks like full on conflict from both sides. It is just frightening to watch. First, let me say that my heart goes out to all of the Peas who have loved ones serving in the military and might be or have been deployed. Having served in the Air Force myself, it's what we do...go where we are needed. But we leave those behind that carry the worry. My thoughts will be with you and your families and hope that this calms quickly and your loved ones are out of harms way. Second, the sick f£%&s that are praising Putin or giving him support...they talk like they have big balls and all, but I guarantee you that when war comes knocking on their door...they will be the first to shit their pants. I see them as nothing but weak "keyboard warriors" who don't have an ounce of courage in their little finger! Lastly, I understand the measured response from the world leaders. Once other countries and especially the big ones like the US and the UK step boots on the ground, this becomes WWIII. This MUST be avoided at ALL costs. And it is that which I think Putin knows. I am only guessing, but I do think Putin figures he can push it all the way to the edge because he KNOWS that a full on conflict is the last thing his adversaries want. I agree with all of this. You last paragraph is important. It seems that other countries are in a lose-lose situation. It seems inevitable that Ukraine on it's own would fall to Russia, which seems unthinkable that people wouldn't get involved to stop that. But on the other hand, if we do get involved with troops, it could end up even worse all around. Who knows what Russia and China would do. I just not sure what the answer is at this point. I don't think Putin will stop with Ukraine. Biden’s already been clear on this. Apart from sanctions against Russia and sending economic aid and missiles, etc to Ukraine, he is not deploying troops and the US is not going to war with Russia.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 15:06:28 GMT
The son of a friend of a friend has been deployed to Ukraine. From where, which country? Only a couple of hours ago NATO confirmed that there were no NATO troops in Ukraine itself but only in surrounding NATO countries. LINK
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 15:22:31 GMT
As a European, I was ready to jump in here and get active but reading these first four pages, I'm just going to nope out of here. I'm getting flashbacks of Americans "teaching" me about the world wars and it's not helping. I'm pissed right now. And the German leadership can fuck right off for yet again not wanting to untangle their little tech hand from Russian's energy hand. It's time for them to understand the implications of the current climate crisis, reverse the extremely negative press and reputation of nuclear power for a few decades until we find a better solution instead of playing dangerous games for Russian gas. This is a Trojan horse they keep letting back into the fort over and over again. There won't be peace even when eventually Putin backs down, period. This is a strategic management game but you can't keep thinking about that one energy source as your end goal 'cause it fucks everything up and you lose again, and again, and again. I for one, DO NOT want you to back out of these discussions. I value your insight and experiences. Even though I live abroad as well, I want to hear about what is going on in your region. I am sure that you will agree with me that living in a foreign city is WAY different than visiting. I would also dare to say that what you see on the local media is not always what the rest of us may see and that in itself can be very insightful! Jump right in!!!! You are welcome as anyone else here!
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 24, 2022 15:28:25 GMT
As a European, I was ready to jump in here and get active but reading these first four pages, I'm just going to nope out of here. I'm getting flashbacks of Americans "teaching" me about the world wars and it's not helping. I'm pissed right now. And the German leadership can fuck right off for yet again not wanting to untangle their little tech hand from Russian's energy hand. It's time for them to understand the implications of the current climate crisis, reverse the extremely negative press and reputation of nuclear power for a few decades until we find a better solution instead of playing dangerous games for Russian gas. This is a Trojan horse they keep letting back into the fort over and over again. There won't be peace even when eventually Putin backs down, period. This is a strategic management game but you can't keep thinking about that one energy source as your end goal 'cause it fucks everything up and you lose again, and again, and again. I’d like to hear more from your perspective, but I understand why you’d rather not. I appreciated that many of the responses on the first few pages of this thread were from Brits, Europeans and some of our Aussie/NZ peas. We can be very much in our echo chamber here in the US so I very much appreciate the other perspectives. FWIW, I agree with Rick Wilson. And I hope there has been a lot of work done behind the scenes to protect our grid and water systems.
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Post by gar on Feb 24, 2022 15:32:32 GMT
As a European, I was ready to jump in here and get active but reading these first four pages, I'm just going to nope out of here. I'm getting flashbacks of Americans "teaching" me about the world wars and it's not helping. I'm pissed right now. And the German leadership can fuck right off for yet again not wanting to untangle their little tech hand from Russian's energy hand. It's time for them to understand the implications of the current climate crisis, reverse the extremely negative press and reputation of nuclear power for a few decades until we find a better solution instead of playing dangerous games for Russian gas. This is a Trojan horse they keep letting back into the fort over and over again. There won't be peace even when eventually Putin backs down, period. This is a strategic management game but you can't keep thinking about that one energy source as your end goal 'cause it fucks everything up and you lose again, and again, and again. I for one, DO NOT want you to back out of these discussions. I value your insight and experiences. Even though I live abroad as well, I want to hear about what is going on in your region. I am sure that you will agree with me that living in a foreign city is WAY different than visiting. I would also dare to say that what you see on the local media is not always what the rest of us may see and that in itself can be very insightful! Jump right in!!!! You are welcome as anyone else here! As a European, I was ready to jump in here and get active but reading these first four pages, I'm just going to nope out of here. I'm getting flashbacks of Americans "teaching" me about the world wars and it's not helping. I'm pissed right now. And the German leadership can fuck right off for yet again not wanting to untangle their little tech hand from Russian's energy hand. It's time for them to understand the implications of the current climate crisis, reverse the extremely negative press and reputation of nuclear power for a few decades until we find a better solution instead of playing dangerous games for Russian gas. This is a Trojan horse they keep letting back into the fort over and over again. There won't be peace even when eventually Putin backs down, period. This is a strategic management game but you can't keep thinking about that one energy source as your end goal 'cause it fucks everything up and you lose again, and again, and again. I for one, DO NOT want you to back out of these discussions. I value your insight and experiences. Even though I live abroad as well, I want to hear about what is going on in your region. I am sure that you will agree with me that living in a foreign city is WAY different than visiting. I would also dare to say that what you see on the local media is not always what the rest of us may see and that in itself can be very insightful! Jump right in!!!! You are welcome as anyone else here! I definitely want you're input sleepingbooty , I get a lot from your observations!
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 24, 2022 15:32:55 GMT
As a European, I was ready to jump in here and get active but reading these first four pages, I'm just going to nope out of here. I'm getting flashbacks of Americans "teaching" me about the world wars and it's not helping. I'm pissed right now. And the German leadership can fuck right off for yet again not wanting to untangle their little tech hand from Russian's energy hand. It's time for them to understand the implications of the current climate crisis, reverse the extremely negative press and reputation of nuclear power for a few decades until we find a better solution instead of playing dangerous games for Russian gas. This is a Trojan horse they keep letting back into the fort over and over again. There won't be peace even when eventually Putin backs down, period. This is a strategic management game but you can't keep thinking about that one energy source as your end goal 'cause it fucks everything up and you lose again, and again, and again. I’d like to hear more from your perspective, but I understand why you’d rather not. I would too. And I’ve never understood the Russian/German alliance either. I mean, I understand the economic whys, but geopolitically, making yourself that dependent on a country such as Russia with their capricious government, for a third of your natural gas, seems like a deal with the devil and gives you far less leverage, if needed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 15:44:18 GMT
Why is Russia trying to seize Chernobyl? Any strategic musings on this, I guess the airport(s) I understand.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 24, 2022 15:46:30 GMT
It is about white Christian Nationalism. Country be damned. It's about setting up patriarchal, misogynist, white, cis-het society where white men RULE ALL again. The crazy thing is that they all fall for the BS that the leaders are Christian, just like them. Trump and Putin aren't actually believers - they just see the church as something to be used for their own purposes. How many of the American white Christian nationalists know much about Russia, other than "they don't like LGBTQ people"? How many of them know anything at all about the Russian Orthodox church? How many of them know about the massive number of non-white people who live in Russia? Very, very few...I'd love to see one of these Evangelical Christians attend a Russian Orthodox church - their heads would explode at all of the things they would consider non-Christian. They don't like the Catholic church - the saints, the icons, the crossing one's self, the fast days, confession, etc - Put that on steroids and you'll have the Orthodox church. I know they have been talking like they are going to fight back, but so far haven’t seen it. I’m wondering why they didn’t have their own troops by the border to keep Russians from coming in? I’m still not hearing about Ukraine is doing in response. Ukrainians all over Europe (Poland in particular) are returning to Ukraine to fight. Civilians are armed and have been undergoing training on the weekends. Their military is fighting back. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not happening. Keep in mind that anything shared on the media can be traced and used against them, so it's also a security issue. I vaguely remember Ukraine having a period of compulsory military service from when I was reading a year or so ago. It’s 12-18 months between the ages of 20-27 and was supposed to end in 2024. So they do have strong military and a lot of civilians with at least a year of military training.
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Post by thundergal on Feb 24, 2022 15:55:38 GMT
Those who support Putin over Biden just because they think he's on their side can go to hell. Shame on them. If autocracy comes to the US, these are the people who will happily be turning in their neighbors for an extra $10. These are the people who will happily run the camps to get rid of the undesirables. These people are always with us - weak people who have no moral sense of right and wrong. They pretend to be Christian, many times. But the message of Christ has never been the reason for their faith. No, they plan to use it as a cudgel to control and destroy those who are different from them - they look, act, speak or believe differently. Nazis under any other name are still Nazis - just with a slightly different flag. This made me cry.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 24, 2022 15:58:43 GMT
You don't want me in here. Too many US military Peas. I'm going to start bitching about the US needing to never have made a longstanding military stronghold in Europe and let Europe deal with its issues. You don't want me saying it was opportunism first and foremost. You don't want me drawing an immediate parallel between the line the US were looking to create with undisclosed nuclear weapons on military bases from the Netherlands to Italy (unfortunately, De Gaulle kicked them out of France and that created a breach) and how Putin is forming his own line from Russia to the Balkans through Ukraine. You don't want me to go there. You'll be pissed. I'm already pissed. Everybody's going to be pissed. I mean, it's very European but I am not engaging in this discussion here. It's a way too US-biased environment. The US have contributed significantly to the current situation. Not only that, but I'm the dissenting French voice who looks at all of this with a lot of cynicism. Germany's dependence on the US and Russia is causing major problems for the EU to move along. And guess who doesn't want this to change? The US (yes!) and Russia. It's no freakin' random act of German-ness that Germany is n°1 of Europe despite ya know, the two world wars less than a century away. *deep breath* And I actually like Germans as a whole, Americans too. But in terms of geopolitical opportunism and fuck-the-rest-of-Europe-over-ism, I'm not happy at all and kind of tired of being dependent of these nations' own interests to know what the fuck kind of situation I'm going to wake up to tomorrow. I do NOT want anyone trying to play lil teacher at me and telling me ALL the great things the US have done. I really fuckin' don't. Not in the mood for another moralising I-helped-you-ungrateful-Frenchie lesson. JUST NOT AT ALL. Pas du tout.In many ways, the Ukraine situation today is kind of the US and Germany's problem. But I don't trust either to give it a happy resolution. So, now what? People in Ukraine suffer. Yet again. You want to read a decent coverage of the situation? Read politico.eu, not.com. I disagree at times with their analyses or opinion pieces but it's at least a good central hub for what's going on in Europe. Whatever happens over the next few weeks and months, the "resolution" to the war conflict at hand will never be one that is good. It'll be a temporary bandage on a way deeper and heavily infected wound. Whatever the outcome, Ukraine's coming out of this even weaker and less supported, period. They lose immediately. We continue losing long term. It's not good. How we got there, we'll not actually really get out of this situation. We'll just slap some okay-okay-okaaay on top of it and Putin will come out of stronger and greater. We're just puppets in the US/Russia/China game without actual independence or sovereignty. But who's willing to change the balance and let Europe build up its own defenses properly?... Without them, we have no room to move actively as a block, period. If you're not a European, you won't fully grasp this or how frustrating it is to be in the puppet position. Trust me, you don't.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 24, 2022 16:05:15 GMT
I was just scrolling through the thread and THIS in sassyangel's signature line jumped out at me : “Remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi something to hang onto, imho. I forgot I had that in there. I don’t see it on Tapatalk anymore (no signatures) show. But it helped me with processing Trump a bit.
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Post by Linda on Feb 24, 2022 16:08:23 GMT
sleepingbooty - I understand why you don't want to be involved but I think you bring a very important perspective. And I say that as a military mum/veteran's wife. I definitely lean more isolationist and think the US needs to focus on their domestic issues and not police the world. I really feel for the people of the Ukraine - and am keeping them in my prayers. They are victims here for sure. And I don't see a good way forward regardless of what the US, UK, Germany, NATO etc...decide. And I worry that China will take the world's focus on Russia/Ukraine as a good opportunity to take back Taiwan.
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Post by Lexica on Feb 24, 2022 16:09:10 GMT
I have been dreading this happening. I think I have relatives still living there. My grandparents on my father's side were both born there, although they didn't meet each other until both families had settled in Canada. My father had never been and his parents never returned for a visit. One of my uncles was writing to a couple of cousins that lived in the house my grandfather was born in. I guess the house was quite old by this time and needed repairs that the cousins couldn't afford so my dad and his brothers were sending money to them to either fix up the farm or just to live on. I do remember them asking my uncle to send them a car so they could drive into town.
I did meet one young girl that we were related to, but I can't recall exactly how. She and her husband and young daughter came to California to visit us before moving to Washington to work and live in a house that my cousin had waiting for them. Her name was Oxana and her story of how she got here and escaped from the people keeping her was amazing. She made her way across the states to my uncle, the one that was writing to his cousins, and he ultimately arranged for the house and jobs for she and her husband. The uncle that was writing to them has passed on now and I don't know how many other relatives we have still living there.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 24, 2022 16:13:01 GMT
You don't want me in here. Too many US military Peas. I'm going to start bitching about the US needing to never have made a longstanding military stronghold in Europe and let Europe deal with its issues. You don't want me saying it was opportunism first and foremost. You don't want me drawing an immediate parallel between the line the US were looking to create with undisclosed nuclear weapons on military basis from the Netherlands to Italy (unfortunately, De Gaulle kicked them out of France and that created a breach) and how Putin is forming his own line from Russia to the Balkans through Ukraine. You don't want me to go there. You'll be pissed. I'm already pissed. Everybody's going to be pissed. I mean, it's very European but I am not engaging in this discussion here. It's a way too US-biased environment. The US have contributed significantly to the current situation. Not only that, but I'm the dissenting French voice who looks at all of this with a lot of cynicism. Germany's dependence on the US and Russia is causing major problems for the EU to move along. And guess who doesn't want this to change? The US (yes!) and Russia. It's no freakin' random act of German-ness that Germany is n°1 of Europe despite ya know, the two world wars less than a century away. *deep breath* And I actually like Germans as a whole, Americans too. But in terms of geopolitical opportunism and fuck-the-rest-over-Europe-over-ism, I'm not happy at all and kind of tired of being dependent of these nations' own interests to know what the fuck kind of situation I'm going to wake up to tomorrow. I do NOT want anyone trying to play lil teacher at me and telling me ALL the great things the US have done. I really fuckin' don't. Not in the mood for another moralising I-helped-you-ungrateful-Frenchie lesson. JUST NOT AT ALL. Pas du tout.In many ways, the Ukraine situation today is kind of the US and Germany's problem. But I don't trust either to give it a happy resolution. So, now what? People in Ukraine suffer. Yet again. You want to read a decent coverage of the situation? Read politico.eu, not.com. I disagree at times with their analyses or opinion pieces but it's at least a good central hub for what's going on in Europe. Whatever happens over the next few weeks and months, the "resolution" to the war conflict at hand will never be one that is good. It'll be a temporary bandage on a way deper and heavily infected wound. Whatever the outcome, Ukraine's coming out of this even weaker and less supported, period. They lose immediately. We continue losing long term. It's not good. How we got there, we'll not actually really get out of this situation. We'll just slap some okay-okay-okaaay on top of it and Putin will come out of stronger and greater. We're just puppets in the US/Russia/China game without actual independence or sovereignty. But who's willing to change the balance and let Europe build up its own defenses properly?... Without them, we have no room to move actively as a block, period. If you're not a European, you won't fully grasp this or how frustrating it is to be in the puppet position. Trust me, you don't. I’m ok with criticisms of the US even historical ones, I have my own - *but* my background is Australian living in the US so there’s that- but I do get where you’re coming from. ETA, I don’t see a good resolution here either.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 24, 2022 16:14:20 GMT
Those who support Putin over Biden just because they think he's on their side can go to hell. Shame on them. If autocracy comes to the US, these are the people who will happily be turning in their neighbors for an extra $10. These are the people who will happily run the camps to get rid of the undesirables. These people are always with us - weak people who have no moral sense of right and wrong. They pretend to be Christian, many times. But the message of Christ has never been the reason for their faith. No, they plan to use it as a cudgel to control and destroy those who are different from them - they look, act, speak or believe differently. Nazis under any other name are still Nazis - just with a slightly different flag. As book educated as they seem/claim to be, they are stupid. They forget that they will be some of the first who will be eliminated, they know too much to be trusted long term!!
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twinsmomfla99
Pearl Clutcher
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Jun 26, 2014 13:42:47 GMT
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Feb 24, 2022 16:16:02 GMT
Well, I guess his statement isn’t actually wrong since the rigged election of 2016 did help get us here. Surely you can’t be serious. I’m not going to rehash the past 2 years but to say investigations have proven this to be false. I know it’s difficult to lose but he said the same lies about the 2016 election until he won. The intelligence community disagrees with you. Mueller found no evidence of collusion between trump and Russia regarding the election. However, there is overwhelming evidence that Russia interfered with the election with a widespread misinformation campaign. apnews.com/article/vladimir-putin-donald-trump-elections-hillary-clinton-politics-d094918c0421b872eac7dc4b16e613c7And from this Reuters article: “The Committee found that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian effort to hack computer networks and accounts affiliated with the Democratic Party and leak information damaging to Hillary Clinton...” “Moscow’s intent was to harm the Clinton Campaign, tarnish an expected Clinton presidential administration, help the Trump Campaign after Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee, and undermine the U.S. democratic process.”The leaked emails late in the campaign were especially harmful to the Clinton campaign.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 24, 2022 16:19:19 GMT
The son of a friend of a friend has been deployed to Ukraine. I can’t deal with the tRump propaganda. Is he saying that if he had been re elected this wouldn’t have happened because he opened foreign relations with Putin? No need, he would have invited Putin into Ukraine. Remember he dislikes, maybe hates, Ukraine because Zelensky would not do his bidding on Hunter and Joe Biden!!
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sassyangel
Drama Llama
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Jun 26, 2014 23:58:32 GMT
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 24, 2022 16:25:37 GMT
Well, I guess his statement isn’t actually wrong since the rigged election of 2016 did help get us here. Surely you can’t be serious. I’m not going to rehash the past 2 years but to say investigations have proven this to be false. I know it’s difficult to lose but he said the same lies about the 2016 election until he won. Influenced is different to rigged. Did they influence it (release Hilary’s emails etc.) yes. But I do absolutely believe enough of a majority of people voted for him in 2016. I don’t know how that thought could be unfathomable, after the last 6 years in this country, actually. Haven’t enough people shown who they really are during that time?
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Nov 23, 2024 14:46:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 16:26:07 GMT
Calls for kicking Russia out of SWIFT.
If the international community is serious, job one is to remove their access to international transfers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 16:27:59 GMT
sleepingbooty I feel much the same way about US involvement in the Middle East. I have taken A LOT of shit over the years about my opinions. Not defending in any way, shape or form, but I have come to understand that many that hold such a myopic view of foreign politics or events do so because a) they usually have never been to those places and b) gather most of their information from the media, which as we all know is biased one way or another. Even visiting a place is just not the same as living day in and day out there. We cannot be an echo chamber here. At least, I don't want us to be. There are layers of issues going on here that I am sure many of us do not understand. I want to understand, even if the information might be a hard pill to swallow.
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