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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 17, 2022 20:59:08 GMT
I seriously need to get off Twitter. I’m on my phone and no idea if this will work. If it doesn’t show. It’s a train of cars with Russian flags in Russia in support of the war. Reminds me of local trump trains when those were popular lol. Wonder how many of them will go to the front and really fight.... Betting none nor their kids... |
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 17, 2022 21:01:05 GMT
I just listened to todays episode of The Daily. They talked about four paths forward in Ukraine. They talked about the difficulties with a no fly zone and One thing that I found interesting was that they said it not only means that we/nato would need to be willing to shoot planes down, but also destroy anti-aircraft machinery, which are currently in Russia. The last part was something I hadn’t heard before. I did! Does nobody read my posts here? 🤪😂 |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 17, 2022 21:01:11 GMT
On another note, they have bombed two more food storage warehouses including World Central Kitchens'
Putin's goal now is headed for starving them all ..
They are hitting more and more civilian targets..
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 17, 2022 21:47:51 GMT
I seriously need to get off Twitter. I’m on my phone and no idea if this will work. If it doesn’t show. It’s a train of cars with Russian flags in Russia in support of the war. Reminds me of local trump trains when those were popular lol. Ugh. But for every one of those, there is one of these. |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 17, 2022 21:49:33 GMT
I just listened to todays episode of The Daily. They talked about four paths forward in Ukraine. They talked about the difficulties with a no fly zone and One thing that I found interesting was that they said it not only means that we/nato would need to be willing to shoot planes down, but also destroy anti-aircraft machinery, which are currently in Russia. The last part was something I hadn’t heard before. I have been hearing that to which is why I wish they would say this more. Shooting at stuff in Russia wouldn’t end well. I’ve only seen that mentioned once or twice but not in the big media sites. That’s very important to note. Glad it’s finally making it there. |
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Post by gar on Mar 17, 2022 22:03:11 GMT
I just listened to todays episode of The Daily. They talked about four paths forward in Ukraine. They talked about the difficulties with a no fly zone and One thing that I found interesting was that they said it not only means that we/nato would need to be willing to shoot planes down, but also destroy anti-aircraft machinery, which are currently in Russia. The last part was something I hadn’t heard before. I have been hearing that to which is why I wish they would say this more. Shooting at stuff in Russia wouldn’t end well. I’ve only seen that mentioned once or twice but not in the big media sites. That’s very important to note. Glad it’s finally making it there. You need to do some more reading here for a start. It’s been mentioned in several threads including the one by onelastime called To be a world leader…. or something like that. Page 2 by now probably. It’s been discussed many times here (UK) maybe because we are so much closer and would be more immediately affected. |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 18, 2022 0:06:55 GMT
I have been hearing that to which is why I wish they would say this more. Shooting at stuff in Russia wouldn’t end well. I’ve only seen that mentioned once or twice but not in the big media sites. That’s very important to note. Glad it’s finally making it there. You need to do some more reading here for a start. It’s been mentioned in several threads including the one by onelastime called To be a world leader…. or something like that. Page 2 by now probably. It’s been discussed many times here (UK) maybe because we are so much closer and would be more immediately affected. Then it was probably on this thread I saw it. It’s not really being mentioned on the news here which it obviously should be. There is a lot more to it than many make it seem. People just spout off that we should do it. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 18, 2022 0:14:33 GMT
Yes, I have read it and seen it, that with no-fly they have to follow back to where the 'shooting' is coming from. That would be beyond the borders of Ukraine.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 18, 2022 0:47:38 GMT
I just listened to todays episode of The Daily. They talked about four paths forward in Ukraine. They talked about the difficulties with a no fly zone and One thing that I found interesting was that they said it not only means that we/nato would need to be willing to shoot planes down, but also destroy anti-aircraft machinery, which are currently in Russia. The last part was something I hadn’t heard before. I did! Does nobody read my posts here? 🤪😂 I do, but I must have missed or skimmed over that part.  |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 18, 2022 0:55:02 GMT
I have been hearing that to which is why I wish they would say this more. Shooting at stuff in Russia wouldn’t end well. I’ve only seen that mentioned once or twice but not in the big media sites. That’s very important to note. Glad it’s finally making it there. You need to do some more reading here for a start. It’s been mentioned in several threads including the one by onelastime called To be a world leader…. or something like that. Page 2 by now probably. It’s been discussed many times here (UK) maybe because we are so much closer and would be more immediately affected. Most of what I hear on TV here in the US is that a no fly zone would mean being willing to shoot down Russian planes. The part about the other artillery being in Russia was the part that was new. As I just said in another post, I do work, have kids, etc so sorry if I missed a post here and there. I am sure others are the same. No need to be rude. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 18, 2022 0:57:14 GMT
Cracks with relationship of China and Russia... Russia has been largely isolated by the international community following Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, but China has offered key support amid the global condemnation. But cracks may now be emerging in partnership between Putin and China's Xi Jinping."According to German newspaper Bild, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was on a flight to Beijing, China today, but the plane turned around midway and flew back to Moscow. The White House announced a call between Xi and Biden today, set for tomorrow," MSNBC's Jesse Rodriguez reported. "There appears to be a shift in tone from the Chinese towards the Russians. Chinese State TV aired footage of the Russian attack on bread line in Cherniv. They are sounding more critical of Putin. Tomorrow's Xi-Biden call will be crucial," he explained. CNN's Bianna Golodryga also noted a shift. "Chinese state media running this video on the eve of Biden’s conversation with Xi. Putin’s indiscriminate brutality is making China’s public 'neutrality' stance much more difficult to sustain. Could this be Beijing’s message to Moscow?" she wondered. www.rawstory.com/russia-china-ukraine/ |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 18, 2022 6:26:39 GMT
CNN
Update on one little boy. The 11 yr old who traveled all the way across Ukraine by himself with a bag and a phone number written on his hand.
He is safe, his name is Hassan. He is with his older siblings two brothers and two sisters in Slovakia(?). And their mother has joined them all. Mom had sent the older siblings earlier. She had stayed behind with her 84 yr old mother. I did not hear about what happened or where she was.
He had a phone with him all the way. He was in contact with the siblings during his trip.
When he was an infant the family escaped Syria and settled in Ukraine.
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Post by gar on Mar 18, 2022 8:27:52 GMT
I apologise. I answered quickly and didn't mean to be rude. People do throw around the idea of this no fly zone without taking into account the fact that Russia would obviously retaliate and that it would, without doubt, escalate the war beyond Ukraine. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 18, 2022 11:54:55 GMT
I apologise. I answered quickly and didn't mean to be rude. People do throw around the idea of this no fly zone without taking into account the fact that Russia would obviously retaliate and that it would, without doubt, escalate the war beyond Ukraine. I think at this point people should know that the reason there isn’t a no fly zone is because Russia may retaliate. It is hard to hear Ukrainian officials beg for a NFZ day in and day out while watching what is going on and thinking there is more that could be done to help stop this. I know that my thoughts on what should be done can vary, and I assume others also have mixed feelings, even if some of the thoughts are fleeting and more based on emotion than the rational explanations of why there isn’t a no fly zone. |
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Post by gar on Mar 18, 2022 12:26:09 GMT
I apologise. I answered quickly and didn't mean to be rude. People do throw around the idea of this no fly zone without taking into account the fact that Russia would obviously retaliate and that it would, without doubt, escalate the war beyond Ukraine. I think at this point people should know that the reason there isn’t a no fly zone is because Russia may retaliate. It is hard to hear Ukrainian officials beg for a NFZ day in and day out while watching what is going on and thinking there is more that could be done to help stop this. I know that my thoughts on what should be done can vary, and I assume others also have mixed feelings, even if some of the thoughts are fleeting and more based on emotion than the rational explanations of why there isn’t a no fly zone. Of course, I agree. We all wish that we could just ‘take him out’ ‘make it stop!’ but the realities are much more complex than any of us wish they were sadly. |
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Post by gar on Mar 18, 2022 13:47:26 GMT
Sorry if this has already been covered - I may have missed it. Apparently Putin has laid out his demands for the end of the war in a phone call to the Turkish President. BBC
Snippets... "The Russian demands fall into two categories. The first four demands are, according to Mr Kalin, not too difficult for Ukraine to meet. Chief among them is an acceptance by Ukraine that it should be neutral and should not apply to join Nato. Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has already conceded this." "Although Mr Kalin didn't go into detail, the assumption is that Russia will demand that the Ukrainian government should give up territory in eastern Ukraine. That will be deeply contentious. The other assumption is that Russia will demand that Ukraine should formally accept that Crimea, which Russia illegally annexed in 2014, does indeed now belong to Russia. If this is the case, it will be a bitter pill for Ukraine to swallow." |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 18, 2022 15:14:47 GMT
Interesting.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 18, 2022 15:25:00 GMT
Then I guess this is acceptable.
By the way on the Zelensky speech thread I ran across and posted an article that spells out what a no fly zone entails as well as an option.
Based on a blurb I just saw on the tv that according to WHO Russia is stopping medical supplies from entering Ukraine and if true then maybe the West should consider the option of a no fly zone outlined in the article.
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 18, 2022 15:25:00 GMT
I did! Does nobody read my posts here? 🤪😂 I do, but I must have missed or skimmed over that part. I’m not bothered, just teasing. There is a *lot* posted here sometimes, I’m not at all surprised that anyone would miss it. 😆 I have myself. I agree people do need to know it’s not purely defensive. I understand 100% why zelenskyy is asking for it - missiles and bombs are raining down on his people. 🥺😭 I would if I was him too. But I also understand the reluctance, arming Ukraine and having their soldiers fight is (currently, because it could change) defensive help (although I get the slippery slope of that argument) than a third parties jets patrolling the sky, shooting things down. |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 18, 2022 15:33:07 GMT
Xi is a sly old devil so he may mean what he is saying or not.
And then there was this response…
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 18, 2022 15:40:08 GMT
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 18, 2022 15:41:08 GMT
Sorry if this has already been covered - I may have missed it. Apparently Putin has laid out his demands for the end of the war in a phone call to the Turkish President. BBC
Snippets... "The Russian demands fall into two categories. The first four demands are, according to Mr Kalin, not too difficult for Ukraine to meet. Chief among them is an acceptance by Ukraine that it should be neutral and should not apply to join Nato. Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has already conceded this." "Although Mr Kalin didn't go into detail, the assumption is that Russia will demand that the Ukrainian government should give up territory in eastern Ukraine. That will be deeply contentious. The other assumption is that Russia will demand that Ukraine should formally accept that Crimea, which Russia illegally annexed in 2014, does indeed now belong to Russia. If this is the case, it will be a bitter pill for Ukraine to swallow." I don’t see any real change or concessions there at all, from what was initially asked. 😐 ugh. I love how they keep comparing that neutrality request to the neutrality of Sweden or Austria. Austria *is* somewhat similar in that it was effectively forced into its neutrality by the Soviet Union, after WWII. Even Sweden is not *absolutely* neutral anymore in that it does have defensive pacts, as a result of being in the EU. And seriously what was that godawful Trump- like pro-war rally about yesterday? That *cannot* have been him there. I cannot in a million years imagine that ultra paranoid bastard leaving his bunker in the Urals, even for that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2022 16:04:55 GMT
As if these refugees don't have enough trauma right now. Hop on them when they're vulnerable to please your god (who created the world to have these types of conflicts in the first place). The organization is called Awakening Europe. According to those on the scene, they're completely unavoidable on the border, taking up space and getting in people's way. ETA: I find this disgusting: " The harvest is so ripe in Europe! Please keep praying for us! "
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2022 16:16:38 GMT
Sorry if this has already been covered - I may have missed it. Apparently Putin has laid out his demands for the end of the war in a phone call to the Turkish President. BBC
Snippets... "The Russian demands fall into two categories. The first four demands are, according to Mr Kalin, not too difficult for Ukraine to meet. Chief among them is an acceptance by Ukraine that it should be neutral and should not apply to join Nato. Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has already conceded this." "Although Mr Kalin didn't go into detail, the assumption is that Russia will demand that the Ukrainian government should give up territory in eastern Ukraine. That will be deeply contentious. The other assumption is that Russia will demand that Ukraine should formally accept that Crimea, which Russia illegally annexed in 2014, does indeed now belong to Russia. If this is the case, it will be a bitter pill for Ukraine to swallow." I don’t see any real change or concessions there at all, from what was initially asked. 😐 ugh. I agree. He's brought nothing new to the table. This is one of the points from that BBC article that gives me great cause for concern - Ukraine would have to undergo a disarmament process to ensure it wasn't a threat to Russia. - Ukraine has never been a threat to Russia yet Putin is requesting them to agree to be sitting ducks for the next time he or anyone in the future decides to try again! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2022 16:26:30 GMT
As if these refugees don't have enough trauma right now. Hop on them when they're vulnerable to please your god (who created the world to have these types of conflicts in the first place). The organization is called Awakening Europe. According to those on the scene, they're completely unavoidable on the border, taking up space and getting in people's way.
ETA: I find this disgusting: " The harvest is so ripe in Europe! Please keep praying for us! "
Then you have this - Former Washington state Rep. Matt Shea, the far-right Republican who was found by a House-commissioned investigation to have planned and participated in domestic terrorism, is in a small town in Poland with more than 60 Ukrainian children, trying to facilitate their adoption in America.
Shea has said his group helped rescue 62 children and their two adult caregivers from an orphanage in Mariupol, the city in southeastern Ukraine that has been bombarded by Russian forces.
But international agencies say, with the chaos and confusion of war, now is not an appropriate time for international adoptions from Ukraine. And Shea’s presence, and the lack of information surrounding the American group he’s with, has raised concerns among some residents of Kazimierz Dolny, the small Polish town where the children are staying at a hotel-guesthouse.
“I asked him many times, ‘What are you going to do with these children?’ and he told me that it’s not my business,'” Weronika Ziarnicka, an aide to the mayor of Kazimierz Dolny, said of Shea. “I got the feeling in my gut that something’s wrong with this guy; he didn’t want to tell me his last name.”
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 18, 2022 16:27:57 GMT
Yeah, I think they’d be mad to agree to that, personally.
Sitting ducks is what they would be.
There is no way having a 1000 year history of being constantly invaded, that they should be either. Every sovereign country has the right to protect itself. Russia is playing by the same tactics it always has.
Be interesting to see what comes out of Xi and Biden’s call today.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 18, 2022 16:36:35 GMT
So much for his big rally... A major pro-war rally was held today in the Russian capital of Moscow, but many people who attended told the BBC's Will Vernon that they were coerced into doing so. *** Many said they worked in the public sector (e.g. schoolteachers), and that they had been pressured into attending by their employers," writes Vernon. "One group of teachers, from a town near Moscow, were being told what to say to us by a woman who appeared to be from the local administration." Another man who said he worked for the Moscow Metro explicitly said he was forced against his will to attend. *** Vernon also talked with some students who were told they would get the day off from classes if they attended a "concert" that they later learned was actually a pro-war rally. www.rawstory.com/putin-war-rally/ |
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Post by gar on Mar 18, 2022 17:08:51 GMT
As if these refugees don't have enough trauma right now. Hop on them when they're vulnerable to please your god (who created the world to have these types of conflicts in the first place). The organization is called Awakening Europe. According to those on the scene, they're completely unavoidable on the border, taking up space and getting in people's way.
ETA: I find this disgusting: " The harvest is so ripe in Europe! Please keep praying for us! "
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 18, 2022 17:13:32 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 18, 2022 17:15:39 GMT
If I remember correctly the word “children” was on or in front of the building….
“Zelensky: 130 people have been rescued from bombed Mariupol theater, but hundreds still under the rubble “
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