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Post by cindyupnorth on Feb 25, 2022 1:52:21 GMT
Can someone explain this to me? I’ve seen comments online how half the US is supporting this invasion. I’ve seen trump say something stupid, but no one else? So how is it that republicans are supporting it then?
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Post by pyccku on Feb 25, 2022 1:56:07 GMT
the Trumpublicans believe that the priority is to oppose the Democrats and Biden, period. If Biden says we need to defend our country against an invasion from extraterrestrials, the Trump bunch will be doing everything they can to allow the aliens in. If Biden says we need to not stab ourselves repeatedly with 18" knives, the Trumpists will argue that it's our freedom to do so and anyone who doesn't stab themselves is obviously unamerican.
It's oppositional-defiant order + tribalism. They are hoping/thinking that the Ukraine situation will make Biden look bad, so they are fine with supporting Putin.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Feb 25, 2022 2:05:37 GMT
Yes, but who besides Trump has said or shown that? I’m not seeing it.
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Post by pinklady on Feb 25, 2022 2:08:15 GMT
Read this Twitter thread
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 25, 2022 2:10:36 GMT
Not all Republicans are supporting the invasion. What I’ve read is that most of them are against it, and the majority of congressional Republicans agree with Biden’s sanctions. Then there’s a minority (including some pundits) that think Biden is being weak and that Putin is justified (somewhat) in what he’s doing.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 25, 2022 2:12:57 GMT
People can say whatever they want on the Internet. Quick polls show 77% of Americans support sanctions and are concerned about the invasion. Now there is little support for US troops, 38% - but I've seen nothing justifying a statement that 50% of Americans support Putin.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 25, 2022 2:14:11 GMT
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Post by pinklady on Feb 25, 2022 2:15:31 GMT
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 25, 2022 2:20:07 GMT
Tulsi Gabbard, (Dinosaurus Extremis) is saying some insidious things too, just to be fair that it’s not just republicans. 😬
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Post by pinklady on Feb 25, 2022 2:20:56 GMT
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 25, 2022 2:21:31 GMT
I do wonder just how many of Tucker Carlson’s viewers are actually buying what he’s selling on this.
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Post by pinklady on Feb 25, 2022 2:21:41 GMT
Tulsi Gabbard, (Dinosaurus Extremis) is saying some insidious things too, just to be fair that it’s not just republicans. She’s never been a democrat, if that’s what you’re implying.
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Post by pinklady on Feb 25, 2022 2:22:40 GMT
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 25, 2022 2:25:18 GMT
Tulsi Gabbard, (Dinosaurus Extremis) is saying some insidious things too, just to be fair that it’s not just republicans. She’s never been a democrat, if that’s what you’re implying. Not implying anything at all. Outright saying she’s a democrat in name only.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2022 2:33:04 GMT
I think rather than Republican politicians supporting Putin, it's more Republican media personalities like Steve Bannon, Candace Owens & Tucker Carlson. Republican politicians have been relatively quiet regarding Putin, they're afraid of Trump and for the most part, don't want to publicly disagree with him about Putin. Republican politicians and media personalities are all unified in blaming Biden and accusing him of being weak. None of them have practical suggestions for what to do differently other than more sanctions. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/23/republicans-putin-biden-ukraine/Conservative commentator Candace Owens tweeted this week: “I suggest every American who wants to know what’s *actually* going on in Russia and Ukraine, read this transcript of Putin’s address. As I’ve said for month — NATO (under direction from the United States) is violating previous agreements and expanding eastward. WE are at fault.” Fox News host Tucker Carlson, like many others on the right, minimized Russia’s move to invade and overpower a neighboring country as a “border conflict” that should not concern Americans. “It may be worth asking yourself, since it is getting pretty serious: ‘What is this really about? Why do I hate Putin so much?’” Carlson said Tuesday. “‘Has Putin ever called me a racist? Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him?’”
Mike Pompeo, who served as secretary of state under Trump and recently called Putin “savvy” and “very talented.” “I have enormous respect for him,” Pompeo said in a Feb. 18 call with the Center for the National Interest. “I’ve been criticized for saying that.” And he told Fox News: “He’s a very talented statesman. He has lots of gifts. He was a KGB agent, for goodness’ sakes. He knows how to use power. We should respect that.”www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/24/ukraine-russia-republicans-trump-putin/Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s onetime chief strategist, and Erik Prince, the former head of military contractor Blackwater, emphasized in a Thursday discussion aired on Bannon’s show that Putin had taken a hard line on social issues. “Putin ain’t woke,” Bannon said. Fox News host Tucker Carlson told viewers they should ask themselves, “Why do I hate Putin so much?”heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-22-2022?utm_source=url The press secretary for Florida governor Ron DeSantis, for example, tweeted that “the sad fact is that the USA is in no position to ‘promote democracy’ abroad while our own country is falling apart.” She continued: “I can never trust the federal government in any way.” J.D. Vance, a Republican candidate for the Senate from Ohio, said, “[T]he Russia–Ukraine border dispute has nothing to do with our national security, no American interest is served by our intervention, and that the obsession with Ukraine from our idiot leaders serves no function except to distract us from our actual problems.” Representative Ronny Jackson (R-TX) called for sanctions, not against Russia but against “senior officials in the Canadian government,” apparently because authorities there have arrested members of the truck convoy shutting down border crossings and cities to protest vaccine mandates for truckers.
Some have gone further, either defending Putin or attacking America outright. Candidate for New York Representative to Congress Andrew McCarthy tweeted: “Putin protects the church, tradition, and Russian culture to an extent that globalists cannot accept…. We deal with far worse governments regularly.” Right-wing commentator Candace Owens went further, actually blaming the U.S. for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine: “WE are at fault,” she tweeted.As far as Trumps conflicting statements, I thought this was a really accurate description. www.npr.org/2022/02/24/1082954761/republicans-are-condemning-putin-for-the-invasion-of-ukraine-and-criticizing-bid"I haven't parsed his somewhat-confusing statements, both condemning and at the same time admiring and at the same time deploring what has happened," Pletka said. "But, no surprise, Trump sees this through the prism of his own ego and his own power, much less through the prism of a geopolitical strategy or even American strength and security."
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 25, 2022 2:39:04 GMT
Many of the ones who are speaking favorably of Putin, like Tucker, are shameless hucksters who have their own agenda. I think that Tucker thinks in terms of politics, and is so busy being a conservative that he has forgotten how to be an American. He is watched by folks who, like many of us, know little of Putin, Ukraine, the Cold War-you name it. And they believe him.
You would think that red flags would be thrown when someone defends Putin, but that is not always the case.
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Post by Merge on Feb 25, 2022 2:50:14 GMT
As we’ve seen the Trump cultists leap so quickly to believe/defend what Tucker and others tell them, I don’t think it a a stretch to imagine that those people (about 30% of the country) are at least warming up to the idea of going pro-Russia.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2022 2:57:24 GMT
Christian nationalists love other Christian nationalists (not that I think Putin's anything but an atheist - but he knows how to push the right buttons to get regressives behind him).
And they sure are butt-hurt about the travesty of addressing people politely:
"On Wednesday, Erik Prince appeared on Steve Bannon’s webcast/podcast show, War Room Pandemic (get it?) to discuss the “scam” of the West’s beef with Vladimir Putin. Want to know why Biden and the European countries want to stage a war with Vladimir Putin? Cancel culture, y’all. Seriously. Vladimir Putin is an OG freedom of speech and family values warrior, at least according to a billionaire privatized-army promoter and millionaire former biosphere salesman.
STEVE BANNON: And the reason is Putin ain’t “woke.” He is anti-woke.
ERIK PRINCE: The Russians [sic] people still know which bathroom to use.
BANNON: They know, they know, how many genders are there in Russia?
PRINCE: Two."
Putin's a strong white men and they love them some strong white men who can put all the non-white, non-men back in submissive position - where they belong.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 25, 2022 3:03:47 GMT
So how is it that republicans are supporting it then? Trump is obviously supporting his homeboy, Putin. Pompeo is the only other GOP Presidential hopeful I've seen praise Putin. Many are avoiding any statement so they don't contradict TFG. DeSantis didn't mention Russia or Ukraine at all in his CPAC speech today. Most Republicans are condemning the Russians and complaining that the Biden response is weak.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Feb 25, 2022 3:04:58 GMT
Oh, but according to my friend, bannon didn’t actually say he supports putin Eye roll. Just that he’s homophobic
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 25, 2022 4:08:24 GMT
Oh, but according to my friend, bannon didn’t actually say he supports putin Eye roll. Just that he’s homophobic Your friend is wrong.
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Post by chlerbie on Feb 25, 2022 4:55:44 GMT
It's all over Gab and it's really disgusting.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 25, 2022 6:54:25 GMT
Here's Carlson for you..
They are showing Carlson's show on RT, Russian TV... with sub titles..
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Post by Legacy Girl on Feb 25, 2022 8:14:08 GMT
I have seen quite a few of my conservative Christian friends posting their support for Ukraine on FB today. I wonder if they realize that this puts them at odds with the Orange Nightmare. But if it holds and grows more widespread, it may be an interesting turn of the tide.
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Post by cropduster on Feb 25, 2022 11:04:20 GMT
Tulsi Gabbard, (Dinosaurus Extremis) is saying some insidious things too, just to be fair that it’s not just republicans. 😬 I think she’s under Putin’s thumb, too. She’s not a democrat.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Feb 25, 2022 12:29:39 GMT
And now we have the old “but trump never got us in to a war. It only took biden a yr “. So dumb.
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Post by paulao on Feb 25, 2022 12:56:28 GMT
But Bannon is an idiot who should not be allowed freedom of speech, First Amendment be damned.
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Post by pinklady on Feb 25, 2022 15:11:20 GMT
Oh, but according to my friend, bannon didn’t actually say he supports putin Eye roll. Just that he’s homophobic You need new “friends”.
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Post by Just T on Feb 25, 2022 15:15:46 GMT
And now we have the old “but trump never got us in to a war. It only took biden a yr “. So dumb. Comments like that have been ALLL over my local news facebook page. It's maddening. Why can those people not step into their own brain long enough to think that maybe, just MAYBE, Trump buddying up with Putin emboldened him into thinking a good portion of our country will be okay with him playing Hitler of the Balkans? UGH
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 25, 2022 15:26:00 GMT
#3 in Republican leadership Rep Elise Stefanik
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