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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 4:44:59 GMT
No you didn’t. Neither of my first 2 posts were political. It wasn’t until post #6 (not mine) that turned the thread to politics. And when 2 peas started calling me names, I then fully posted my feelings. And matched their tone. Otherwise I wouldn’t have said more. I wasn’t mean, nasty, or ugly to the OP. The one thing I respect about you is that you are very transparent, open and we all know where you stand. I don’t think it was a carefully worded statement you meant what you meant and because you are transparent anyone that has been on this board often knows what you meant. But let’s be honest the sentiment behind your post about never going to Florida because of political reasons. That is your right and I am not arguing over your stance. I simply feel that we don’t need to bring political opinions into everything here and this was the thread I chose to bring it up because she was just asking for a recommendation for lodging. My first post was not political. I specifically chose not to “be political” in my post—it wasn’t until 2 others started calling me names that I further clarified. My post clearly, tongue-in-cheek, responded to the OP (after no one else did for quite a few hours) that “I was of no help…” OTHERS turned it into the crap fest that it turned out to be. Im not being obtuse, ingenious or coy about this either, but please—harbor the hand-slaps towards those who actually turned the thread to what it became!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 4:46:42 GMT
No need to pretend… I only further clarified because I was being called names, otherwise I was content with my first post. Ok then. It wasn't political at all, you just wouldn't step foot in FL for a million dollars. No reason. Just wouldn't. Oh wait, it was political...but you didn't make it political, everyone else did. 🤷🏼♀️ No one would have known my reasons if it were not for those who called me names on this thread. I would not have posted again if it weren’t for their posts. It a humanity choice.
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Post by Zee on Feb 27, 2022 4:56:30 GMT
Ok then. It wasn't political at all, you just wouldn't step foot in FL for a million dollars. No reason. Just wouldn't. Oh wait, it was political...but you didn't make it political, everyone else did. 🤷🏼♀️ No one would have known my reasons if it were not for those who called me names on this thread. I would not have posted again if it weren’t for their posts. It a humanity choice. Yes a humanity issue, regarding a proposed bill in Florida backed by their governor. I'm not saying you're wrong in any way for your feelings or reasons behind them, but continuing to pretend it wasn't political is tiring. Nighty night.
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Post by buddysmom on Feb 27, 2022 5:04:43 GMT
Obviously I'm really late to the thread...
But we stayed at the Marriott Clearwater Beach in October 2020.
At the time it seemed they had rooms only on every other floor.
It's on the bay, not the beach but there were some restaurants within walking distance and a lot within a short car ride.
It was a really a nice area and a had nice room overlooking the bay.
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Post by dawncpa on Feb 27, 2022 7:10:46 GMT
My absolute favorite place to stay on Clearwater beach is the Opal Sands.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 27, 2022 7:26:32 GMT
Delirious? Oh please. You clearly did not read my post, or comprehend what I actually wrote. I said what I would (not) do. I said NOTHING not made reference to any LBGTQIA living in Florida. I will say this now from your post—LBGTQIA may be “flourishing” right now, however with this new law (it’s what 3 days old) and likely more to come just like it, it will be harder for LBGTQIA youth to “flourish” and with this new law, they’ll be suppressed, Florida leadership is trying to eradicate and erase them. I was not nasty, mean, or ugly to the OP. I answered with my honest and personal opinion, something peas do every day here. So take your little bitchy, ugly rant and stuff it. (I’m responding to you in the same tone you went after me). Last time I looked, I’m entitled to my own thoughts, and can post freely on this message board. It’s not a law yet. It’s a bill. It's a bill that passed the House, will likely pass the Senate where they’re discussing a similar bill and DeSantis will happily sign it. So not a law yet, but close to being one and more significant than just a proposed bill. And the bill shouldn’t be dismissed just because it hasn’t been signed into law yet. Also, it’s not the only bill being discussed and passed in Florida. The Florida House passed another bill, Stop The Woke that would limit classroom discussions on gender identity and sexual orientation, in addition to other things. It would also restrict employers from offering diversity training. www.axios.com/local/tampa-bay/2022/02/24/florida-house-passes-dont-say-gay-stop-woke-billsThere are 14 other states considering similar bills, but Florida is the first to pass one which is significant. thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/594980-florida-isnt-the-only-state-with-a-dont-say-gay-bill-15this is why it matters. www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2021/ “LGBTQ+ youth who learned about LGBTQ+ issues or people in classrooms had 23% lower odds of reporting a suicide attempt in the last 12 months.”I’m sorry this thread was derailed. OP, I hope you find the information you were looking for.
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Post by compeateropeator on Feb 27, 2022 8:02:51 GMT
You all put more into my first post than I did. Oh come on. You really going to pretend? Just own it. I am one that who thinks as a public message board everyone is more than welcome to make whatever comment they want on any thread they want…and many do, as we often can see. HOWEVER, it is pretty disingenuous to play the “this wasn’t political card” when the thread was a simple request for travel information and when you take into consideration who posted the replies. If you have a style and reputation that you perpetuate you might as well own it. 🤷♀️
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Post by NanaKate on Feb 27, 2022 11:56:04 GMT
KikiPea - hope you get the answers you are looking for. Wish I could help but I have no experience with that part of Florida.
Some you are really ridiculous! SMH
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 27, 2022 12:31:39 GMT
KikiPea, I’m sorry that your thread got derailed. I hope that you find a great place to stay.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Feb 27, 2022 14:03:08 GMT
I counted it as the 3rd post. Doesn’t make a difference I have never been one to say something is okay just because someone else started it first. But you had no problem staying silent at the 2 who attacked me, after my first post—which you all put more crap into than what I actually wrote. I wasn’t mean, nasty or rude to the OP. Oh, my god, you poor thing. I'm sorry you feel so "attacked". Who knew that you were such a delicate flower? The next time you go on a verbal tear on someone here perhaps you'll remember how you felt today. Personal growth is always a good thing.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Feb 27, 2022 14:05:48 GMT
Wow some of you are assholes. I've been in SWFL for 22 years, lots of us lefties, LGBQTIA here in Naples living our best lives. Not all of Florida is the villages and MAGA. But thanks for treating us as such. Try to remember we vote too, and hate Desantis and all he's put us through during Covid. There are some of you on this thread who show up to every thread to make it political. You are not a good look for us as Democrats. Think about that, and how you're treating others. And if you think you're superior to me (Us) because you don't live in Florida? I come from NY. I know elitists when I see them. Seeing a lot of you lately spout how terrible it is here. Places are what you make them. I think I'll go out and have a swim, it was 87 here today, sure beats shoveling snow and paying a fortune in taxes. KikiPea - The Wyndham in Clearwater is really nice. I am sorry this happened to your thread. Another Naples 'expat'! It's been lovely here lately, hasn't it?
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Post by christine58 on Feb 27, 2022 14:23:09 GMT
KikiPea , I’m sorry that your thread got derailed. I hope that you find a great place to stay. Me too. Ridiculous comments on a thread where someone was looking for advice not criticism.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 14:31:35 GMT
But you had no problem staying silent at the 2 who attacked me, after my first post—which you all put more crap into than what I actually wrote. I wasn’t mean, nasty or rude to the OP. Oh, my god, you poor thing. I'm sorry you feel so "attacked". Who knew that you were such a delicate flower? The next time you go on a verbal tear on someone here perhaps you'll remember how you felt today. Personal growth is always a good thing. Oh sweetie, you’re delusional, dramatic and just flat out making shit up. No where here in this thread did I “go on a verbal tear” on anyone. You’re the one who needs to take a long hard look at how you turned this thread into the drama that it is.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 14:39:25 GMT
No one would have known my reasons if it were not for those who called me names on this thread. I would not have posted again if it weren’t for their posts. It a humanity choice. Yes a humanity issue, regarding a proposed bill in Florida backed by their governor. I'm not saying you're wrong in any way for your feelings or reasons behind them, but continuing to pretend it wasn't political is tiring. Nighty night. IT is clear it’s hard to escape the term “political” from you all, and I’m truly not pretending, when I’m speaking of it from a humanity issue. My participation would have ended with my first post, the OP responded after I posted and It was totally fine. It wasn’t until 2 other peas started calling me names that I clarified further, not once disparaging the OP. (Those criticizing me might want to take a stab at the other 2 peas for a bit ) LBGTQIA rights hit home right in my family. I am first hand watching a trans teen struggle with being bullied, contemplating self harm, end of life at 15. I don’t see any of that as political, but to you it might just be. So I’ll acknowledge your feelings on it. It’s not political for me. My family member (nor any other LBGTQIA for that matter) should not ever be reduced to some political fodder and that’s how I feel.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 14:40:33 GMT
KikiPea , I’m sorry that your thread got derailed. I hope that you find a great place to stay. Me too. Ridiculous comments on a thread where someone was looking for advice not criticism. I didn’t disparage the OP at all. Not once.
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Post by paget on Feb 27, 2022 14:52:54 GMT
Me too. Ridiculous comments on a thread where someone was looking for advice not criticism. I didn’t disparage the OP at all. Not once. Yeah. We get that. You’ve repeated it a lot in this thread. Doesn’t change that we all can read the words you did say + know your posting history and we all know what you meant. It does make you look ridiculous to keep on saying you “didn’t disparage the OP” rather than owning it. Why don’t you explain your comment then - what were you commenting/implying about wouldn’t go to Florida for a million dollars if it wasn’t politically related? So odd that you are doubling down on this.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Feb 27, 2022 14:53:35 GMT
Oh, my god, you poor thing. I'm sorry you feel so "attacked". Who knew that you were such a delicate flower? The next time you go on a verbal tear on someone here perhaps you'll remember how you felt today. Personal growth is always a good thing. Oh sweetie, you’re delusional, dramatic and just flat out making shit up. No where here in this thread did I “go on a verbal tear” on anyone. You’re the one who needs to take a long hard look at how you turned this thread into the drama that it is. Not here, other threads. On this thread, you were dismissive and critical of the OP's plans, and did the derailing yourself. Just own your shit, would you? OMG almost everyone here has been pointing out your hypocrisy, own it and move on. Everyone has a bad day. The way you're spinning your behavior is reminiscent of another pea here that you are constantly arguing with. Same shit, different side. Maybe it's time for you to quit being derisive and derogatory and start elevating your level of discussion - because you immediately head for the mud puddle. It's unattractive, and leads this board into a rather unpleasant mire of pot shots and bickering. Be better.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 14:59:01 GMT
Oh sweetie, you’re delusional, dramatic and just flat out making shit up. No where here in this thread did I “go on a verbal tear” on anyone. You’re the one who needs to take a long hard look at how you turned this thread into the drama that it is. Not here, other threads. On this thread, you were dismissive and critical of the OP's plans, and did the derailing yourself. Just own your shit, would you? OMG almost everyone here has been pointing out your hypocrisy, own it and move on. Everyone has a bad day. The way you're spinning your behavior is reminiscent of another pea here that you are constantly arguing with. Same shit, different side. Maybe it's time for you to quit being derisive and derogatory and start elevating your level of discussion - because you immediately head for the mud puddle. It's unattractive, and leads this board into a rather unpleasant mire of pot shots and bickering. Be better. Once again, you’re making shit up, attributing it to me, that never once came from me. If you have a reading comprehension issue with what I first posted, then that’s on you, not me. Why should I be forced to own something I never said??? I did not dismiss or criticize the OP at all. YOU we’re the one who started the decisive and derogatory crap—so go own that. If anything, you’re performing just like who you’re trying to tell me I’m being like—by making stuff up that I didn’t say! The tone and words of almost every single post you’ve posted in this thread is divisive and derogatory.
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Post by emptyskullz on Feb 27, 2022 15:37:26 GMT
Now this reminds me of the old Board! 🍿🍿
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Post by MsChiff on Feb 27, 2022 19:52:43 GMT
You're delirious. There are plenty of LBGTQIA people living and flourishing in FL. Furthermore, the OP did NOT ask for your personal, ignorant opinion of FL, she asked for recommendations of where to stay and what to do. I have to intervene. It's not really an "ignorant opinion of FL", sorry. We've lived close by Clearwater for over 11 years now. While some beaches seemed nice 11 years ago, we stopped going since it was too dangerous for DH to even step on the sand. Regarding LGBT+ people in FL, I honestly fear for DD33 who is lesbian. We had her friends who were gay live in this complex for a year also. It's a scary thing to hear the locals give their "religious" opinions daily here. Being gay is something I'd keep to myself. I've met MANY, MANY people down here who have a similar disdain of people who originated from NY or up north, so I keep my mouth shut here, often, and never advertise where I originated from, etc. Has the DeSantis "Don't Say Gay" Bill been discussed? Yeah, that's FL. They want to turn the clock back, keep gays in the closet or eliminated. Sorry, but it's true. While some areas of SWFL seem to be more "normal", these backward people still exist here. As far as beaches, I used to love going to Honeymoon Island, near Clearwater. I'd steer clear of visiting where the Scientology building is. I went once and it gave me the creeps, esp when you see these vacant-looking faces walking near there. Sorry, but it's true, real, and a part of FL. I live not far from Clearwater. We drive around the area and the State with NY plates have have ZERO issues; in fact, the few experience I've had regarding being from NY have been extremely positive. The LGBT+ people I know have had few issues here--no more than anywhere else, really--and actually like and enjoy Florida. I'm sorry you and your family have had so many negative experiences.
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Post by M~ on Feb 27, 2022 20:08:26 GMT
You don't know shit, frankly. Miami is about as LBGTQ friendly as they come. And that's only one small corner of FL. Don't spout off about what you don't know about. Please show us more of your superior knowledge of the LBGTQIA “Miami” crowd once these life destroying laws have been in effect. Talk about living in a bubble. 🙄 Miami resident here. Miami is LGBTQ+ friendly but not really. It’s on the surface. Miamians are for the most part Latin and Latins are for the most part Catholic and conservative and Republican.
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Post by leftturnonly on Feb 27, 2022 20:23:23 GMT
I am first hand watching a trans teen struggle with being bullied, contemplating self harm, end of life at 15. I have nothing but compassion for your child and for your family. Maybe if you were both sitting around IRL, you'd be able to tell KikiPea more about your private life and maybe even have a good cry together. And maybe she could tell you what time spent in Florida means to her.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 20:53:32 GMT
I am first hand watching a trans teen struggle with being bullied, contemplating self harm, end of life at 15. I have nothing but compassion for your child and for your family. Maybe if you were both sitting around IRL, you'd be able to tell KikiPea more about your private life and maybe even have a good cry together. And maybe she could tell you what time spent in Florida means to her. Really? And some how that will make the target on my nephew’s head go away? Ok then! Let’s get that meeting set up pronto! I’ve been an advocate and ally for LBGTQIA (especially youth) speaking up and out. I don’t see that stopping—the pain and suffering that these children/teens/adults endure because power hungry politicians want to use them as examples of everything wrong with our country and politicize them as if they are dog shit on the bottom of a shoe. The only way that I can directly affect changes in states other than where I am that are trying to eradicate loved ones and other LBGTQIA persons is with my voice, disposable income, and supporting candidates and agencies who are also fighting the fight. I’ve stated it before—it’s not political for me. (And to those who insist I’m pretending it’s not—put yourself in my shoes/my viewpoint as you’re telling me to do with your view—do you see your loved ones as political pawns/walking political billboards? It’s down right scary what these politicians are putting forth by way of legislation against LBGTQIA. Watching my loved one at 15 decide if he’s “worthy to live” or not is heartbreaking, gutting, and devastating. But yeah, listening to someone else’s memories of a location they love to frequently visit just might me change or make me feel better. And please, Let’s not forget that in my post on the Florida thread, I never once disparaged or demeaned the OP, I specifically and clearly spoke from my spot and only my spot on the bench.
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Post by leftturnonly on Feb 27, 2022 21:20:14 GMT
I have nothing but compassion for your child and for your family. Maybe if you were both sitting around IRL, you'd be able to tell KikiPea more about your private life and maybe even have a good cry together. And maybe she could tell you what time spent in Florida means to her. Really? And some how that will make the target on my nephew’s head go away? Ok then! Let’s get that meeting set up pronto! I’ve been an advocate and ally for LBGTQIA (especially youth) speaking up and out. I don’t see that stopping—the pain and suffering that these children/teens/adults endure because power hungry politicians want to use them as examples of everything wrong with our country and politicize them as if they are dog shit on the bottom of a shoe. The only way that I can directly affect changes in states other than where I am that are trying to eradicate loved ones and other LBGTQIA persons is with my voice, disposable income, and supporting candidates and agencies who are also fighting the fight. I’ve stated it before—it’s not political for me. (And to those who insist I’m pretending it’s not—put yourself in my shoes/my viewpoint as you’re telling me to do with your view—do you see your loved ones as political pawns/walking political billboards? It’s down right scary what these politicians are putting forth by way of legislation against LBGTQIA. Watching my loved one at 15 decide if he’s “worthy to live” or not is heartbreaking, gutting, and devastating. But yeah, listening to someone else’s memories of a location they love to frequently visit just might me change or make me feel better. And please, Let’s not forget that in my post on the Florida thread, I never once disparaged or demeaned the OP, I specifically and clearly spoke from my spot and only my spot on the bench. You are absolutely right. How utterly ridiculous of me to suggest you consider the idea of Kikipea sitting down and listening to your concerns IRL when you show nothing but contempt for her.
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Post by Laurie on Feb 27, 2022 21:54:09 GMT
I have nothing but compassion for your child and for your family. Maybe if you were both sitting around IRL, you'd be able to tell KikiPea more about your private life and maybe even have a good cry together. And maybe she could tell you what time spent in Florida means to her. Really? And some how that will make the target on my nephew’s head go away? Ok then! Let’s get that meeting set up pronto! I’ve been an advocate and ally for LBGTQIA (especially youth) speaking up and out. I don’t see that stopping—the pain and suffering that these children/teens/adults endure because power hungry politicians want to use them as examples of everything wrong with our country and politicize them as if they are dog shit on the bottom of a shoe. The only way that I can directly affect changes in states other than where I am that are trying to eradicate loved ones and other LBGTQIA persons is with my voice, disposable income, and supporting candidates and agencies who are also fighting the fight. I’ve stated it before—it’s not political for me. (And to those who insist I’m pretending it’s not—put yourself in my shoes/my viewpoint as you’re telling me to do with your view—do you see your loved ones as political pawns/walking political billboards? It’s down right scary what these politicians are putting forth by way of legislation against LBGTQIA. Watching my loved one at 15 decide if he’s “worthy to live” or not is heartbreaking, gutting, and devastating. But yeah, listening to someone else’s memories of a location they love to frequently visit just might me change or make me feel better. And please, Let’s not forget that in my post on the Florida thread, I never once disparaged or demeaned the OP, I specifically and clearly spoke from my spot and only my spot on the bench. I have told myself to walk away from this thread but I want to put something out there for you to sit and chew on. Have you thought that maybe your approach is not helpful? There are many peas that are opposite of my beliefs that I enjoy having political discussions with and because of their approach they even challenge my beliefs enough for me to sit and really reconsider my opinion. They do this by being respectful, not calling names and not making every single thing about politics or politicians. You want the world to change? What you are doing isn’t rallying people to change. You could bring more change to the world by educating people on this board, or irl, than not spending money in Florida. Because let’s be honest Florida’s economy isn’t going to break from you not visiting there. However, it is more likely that you can reach just one person on this board and make them reevaluate their stance on a subject. I can’t think of one single time when I changed my opinion on something after someone was assholish to me. Typically, I dig my heels in even more. I am usually open minded but when someone starts getting personal with attacks that pen mind shuts right down. Respectful discussions can yield some pretty amazing results (ideas) for all parties involved.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 22:10:08 GMT
Really? And some how that will make the target on my nephew’s head go away? Ok then! Let’s get that meeting set up pronto! I’ve been an advocate and ally for LBGTQIA (especially youth) speaking up and out. I don’t see that stopping—the pain and suffering that these children/teens/adults endure because power hungry politicians want to use them as examples of everything wrong with our country and politicize them as if they are dog shit on the bottom of a shoe. The only way that I can directly affect changes in states other than where I am that are trying to eradicate loved ones and other LBGTQIA persons is with my voice, disposable income, and supporting candidates and agencies who are also fighting the fight. I’ve stated it before—it’s not political for me. (And to those who insist I’m pretending it’s not—put yourself in my shoes/my viewpoint as you’re telling me to do with your view—do you see your loved ones as political pawns/walking political billboards? It’s down right scary what these politicians are putting forth by way of legislation against LBGTQIA. Watching my loved one at 15 decide if he’s “worthy to live” or not is heartbreaking, gutting, and devastating. But yeah, listening to someone else’s memories of a location they love to frequently visit just might me change or make me feel better. And please, Let’s not forget that in my post on the Florida thread, I never once disparaged or demeaned the OP, I specifically and clearly spoke from my spot and only my spot on the bench. You are absolutely right. How utterly ridiculous of me to suggest you consider the idea of Kikipea sitting down and listening to your concerns IRL when you show nothing but contempt for her. Contempt for her? Seriously? I have absolutely no ill will towards kikipea. I’ll keep stressing that because I never demeaned her or said a single thing negative about her.
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Post by Merge on Feb 27, 2022 22:27:38 GMT
Really? And some how that will make the target on my nephew’s head go away? Ok then! Let’s get that meeting set up pronto! I’ve been an advocate and ally for LBGTQIA (especially youth) speaking up and out. I don’t see that stopping—the pain and suffering that these children/teens/adults endure because power hungry politicians want to use them as examples of everything wrong with our country and politicize them as if they are dog shit on the bottom of a shoe. The only way that I can directly affect changes in states other than where I am that are trying to eradicate loved ones and other LBGTQIA persons is with my voice, disposable income, and supporting candidates and agencies who are also fighting the fight. I’ve stated it before—it’s not political for me. (And to those who insist I’m pretending it’s not—put yourself in my shoes/my viewpoint as you’re telling me to do with your view—do you see your loved ones as political pawns/walking political billboards? It’s down right scary what these politicians are putting forth by way of legislation against LBGTQIA. Watching my loved one at 15 decide if he’s “worthy to live” or not is heartbreaking, gutting, and devastating. But yeah, listening to someone else’s memories of a location they love to frequently visit just might me change or make me feel better. And please, Let’s not forget that in my post on the Florida thread, I never once disparaged or demeaned the OP, I specifically and clearly spoke from my spot and only my spot on the bench. I have told myself to walk away from this thread but I want to put something out there for you to sit and chew on. Have you thought that maybe your approach is not helpful? There are many peas that are opposite of my beliefs that I enjoy having political discussions with and because of their approach they even challenge my beliefs enough for me to sit and really reconsider my opinion. They do this by being respectful, not calling names and not making every single thing about politics or politicians. You want the world to change? What you are doing isn’t rallying people to change. You could bring more change to the world by educating people on this board, or irl, than not spending money in Florida. Because let’s be honest Florida’s economy isn’t going to break from you not visiting there. However, it is more likely that you can reach just one person on this board and make them reevaluate their stance on a subject. I can’t think of one single time when I changed my opinion on something after someone was assholish to me. Typically, I dig my heels in even more. I am usually open minded but when someone starts getting personal with attacks that pen mind shuts right down. Respectful discussions can yield some pretty amazing results (ideas) for all parties involved. Out of curiosity, what is the preferred respectful response to someone who doesn’t think your child has the right to be who they are, and is willing vote those beliefs into law?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 22:35:38 GMT
Really? And some how that will make the target on my nephew’s head go away? Ok then! Let’s get that meeting set up pronto! I’ve been an advocate and ally for LBGTQIA (especially youth) speaking up and out. I don’t see that stopping—the pain and suffering that these children/teens/adults endure because power hungry politicians want to use them as examples of everything wrong with our country and politicize them as if they are dog shit on the bottom of a shoe. The only way that I can directly affect changes in states other than where I am that are trying to eradicate loved ones and other LBGTQIA persons is with my voice, disposable income, and supporting candidates and agencies who are also fighting the fight. I’ve stated it before—it’s not political for me. (And to those who insist I’m pretending it’s not—put yourself in my shoes/my viewpoint as you’re telling me to do with your view—do you see your loved ones as political pawns/walking political billboards? It’s down right scary what these politicians are putting forth by way of legislation against LBGTQIA. Watching my loved one at 15 decide if he’s “worthy to live” or not is heartbreaking, gutting, and devastating. But yeah, listening to someone else’s memories of a location they love to frequently visit just might me change or make me feel better. And please, Let’s not forget that in my post on the Florida thread, I never once disparaged or demeaned the OP, I specifically and clearly spoke from my spot and only my spot on the bench. I have told myself to walk away from this thread but I want to put something out there for you to sit and chew on. Have you thought that maybe your approach is not helpful? There are many peas that are opposite of my beliefs that I enjoy having political discussions with and because of their approach they even challenge my beliefs enough for me to sit and really reconsider my opinion. They do this by being respectful, not calling names and not making every single thing about politics or politicians. You want the world to change? What you are doing isn’t rallying people to change. You could bring more change to the world by educating people on this board, or irl, than not spending money in Florida. Because let’s be honest Florida’s economy isn’t going to break from you not visiting there. However, it is more likely that you can reach just one person on this board and make them reevaluate their stance on a subject. I can’t think of one single time when I changed my opinion on something after someone was assholish to me. Typically, I dig my heels in even more. I am usually open minded but when someone starts getting personal with attacks that pen mind shuts right down. Respectful discussions can yield some pretty amazing results (ideas) for all parties involved. Sigh…again, I wasn’t the loudmouth calling people names. I wasn’t trying to be political. A big part of this fallout is that things were being attributed to me that just were not coming from me, were not written by me, were not implied by me. (And they’re still being applied to me.) I never intended to go into any detail at all to make a case for my viewpoint. I was good after my first post. I intended that post to be the ONLY thing I wrote on that thread. All my subsequent posts have been trying to clarify, and I’m being beaten to death over them because of what others have said (I said/wrote) when it’s their posts that were ugly, name calling and disrespectful. Was my post a dick move? In hindsight, according to several, likely so—but again I never meant for it to be anything other than what I actually said in my first post—A non-political personal opinion. I do hear what you’re saying. I don’t disagree with having respectful conversations. It’s not accurate to pile that onus on me for that thread. I wasn’t being disrespectful towards the OP—unless the rule now is that we must get permission on what we post in threads started by someone else. And, I believe that your post here/now considers all the information I’ve SINCE posted without the benefit of those who really threw the thread. And as a side note, regardless if my lack of financial spending in Florida breaks them or not—it doesn’t matter. I’d do it/say it every day of the year twice over. Advocacy has to start somewhere. I know I’m not alone and quite often once someone sees someone else standing up for their beliefs it might just be what they need to see to find their own voice for their life. Saying things like that to someone who is advocating is equivalent to “it’s not going to make a difference so you might as well not even bother” “it’s not worth it” which to me is further erasing and diminishing my family member and others that I love.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 22:36:34 GMT
I have told myself to walk away from this thread but I want to put something out there for you to sit and chew on. Have you thought that maybe your approach is not helpful? There are many peas that are opposite of my beliefs that I enjoy having political discussions with and because of their approach they even challenge my beliefs enough for me to sit and really reconsider my opinion. They do this by being respectful, not calling names and not making every single thing about politics or politicians. You want the world to change? What you are doing isn’t rallying people to change. You could bring more change to the world by educating people on this board, or irl, than not spending money in Florida. Because let’s be honest Florida’s economy isn’t going to break from you not visiting there. However, it is more likely that you can reach just one person on this board and make them reevaluate their stance on a subject. I can’t think of one single time when I changed my opinion on something after someone was assholish to me. Typically, I dig my heels in even more. I am usually open minded but when someone starts getting personal with attacks that pen mind shuts right down. Respectful discussions can yield some pretty amazing results (ideas) for all parties involved. Out of curiosity, what is the preferred respectful response to someone who doesn’t think your child has the right to be who they are, and is willing vote those beliefs into law? This made me cry. I’ve been seeking this answer for sometime.
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Post by Laurie on Feb 27, 2022 22:49:29 GMT
I have told myself to walk away from this thread but I want to put something out there for you to sit and chew on. Have you thought that maybe your approach is not helpful? There are many peas that are opposite of my beliefs that I enjoy having political discussions with and because of their approach they even challenge my beliefs enough for me to sit and really reconsider my opinion. They do this by being respectful, not calling names and not making every single thing about politics or politicians. You want the world to change? What you are doing isn’t rallying people to change. You could bring more change to the world by educating people on this board, or irl, than not spending money in Florida. Because let’s be honest Florida’s economy isn’t going to break from you not visiting there. However, it is more likely that you can reach just one person on this board and make them reevaluate their stance on a subject. I can’t think of one single time when I changed my opinion on something after someone was assholish to me. Typically, I dig my heels in even more. I am usually open minded but when someone starts getting personal with attacks that pen mind shuts right down. Respectful discussions can yield some pretty amazing results (ideas) for all parties involved. Sigh…again, I wasn’t the loudmouth calling people names. I wasn’t trying to be political. A big part of this fallout is that things were being attributed to me that just were not coming from me, were not written by me, were not implied by me. (And they’re still being applied to me.) I never intended to go into any detail at all to make a case for my viewpoint. I was good after my first post. I intended that post to be the ONLY thing I wrote on that thread. All my subsequent posts have been trying to clarify, and I’m being beaten to death over them because of what others have said (I said/wrote) when it’s their posts that were ugly, name calling and disrespectful. Was my post a dick move? In hindsight, according to several, likely so—but again I never meant for it to be anything other than what I actually said in my first post—A non-political personal opinion. I do hear what you’re saying. I don’t disagree with having respectful conversations. It’s not accurate to pile that onus on me for that thread. I wasn’t being disrespectful towards the OP—unless the rule now is that we must get permission on what we post in threads started by someone else. And, I believe that your post here/now considers all the information I’ve SINCE posted without the benefit of those who really threw the thread. And as a side note, regardless if my lack of financial spending in Florida breaks them or not—it doesn’t matter. I’d do it/say it every day of the year twice over. Advocacy has to start somewhere. I know I’m not alone and quite often once someone sees someone else standing up for their beliefs it might just be what they need to see to find their own voice for their life. Saying things like that to someone who is advocating is equivalent to “it’s not going to make a difference so you might as well not even bother” “it’s not worth it” which to me is further erasing and diminishing my family member and others that I love. It wasn’t my intent to say that withholding money didn’t matter. I actively try not to spend my money at Walmart but that is difficult and I am struggling with trying to do the same with Amazon. Damn them for being so convenient. I realize Walmart doesn’t give a damn about me not giving my money to them. There is a charity that I also absolutely refuse to donate to but recognize they don’t even care. I was saying that I think you would get further with starting here. Perhaps telling your nephews daily struggles would get some peas to understand the direct impact these bills have on people, or more specifically children. Maybe not on a travel recommendation thread though. I am on my phone so I can’t multi quote but for Merge there are other peas that have lgbtq children and post respectfully. I read the entirety of their posts. However, when you end posts multiple times with I fucking hate republicans that usually doesn’t indicate you want to have respectful conversations. However, that is just my opinion and I also don’t fall in line with republicans on this issue so I can’t speak that this would be true of all republicans on this board.
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