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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 23:09:52 GMT
Sigh…again, I wasn’t the loudmouth calling people names. I wasn’t trying to be political. A big part of this fallout is that things were being attributed to me that just were not coming from me, were not written by me, were not implied by me. (And they’re still being applied to me.) I never intended to go into any detail at all to make a case for my viewpoint. I was good after my first post. I intended that post to be the ONLY thing I wrote on that thread. All my subsequent posts have been trying to clarify, and I’m being beaten to death over them because of what others have said (I said/wrote) when it’s their posts that were ugly, name calling and disrespectful. Was my post a dick move? In hindsight, according to several, likely so—but again I never meant for it to be anything other than what I actually said in my first post—A non-political personal opinion. I do hear what you’re saying. I don’t disagree with having respectful conversations. It’s not accurate to pile that onus on me for that thread. I wasn’t being disrespectful towards the OP—unless the rule now is that we must get permission on what we post in threads started by someone else. And, I believe that your post here/now considers all the information I’ve SINCE posted without the benefit of those who really threw the thread. And as a side note, regardless if my lack of financial spending in Florida breaks them or not—it doesn’t matter. I’d do it/say it every day of the year twice over. Advocacy has to start somewhere. I know I’m not alone and quite often once someone sees someone else standing up for their beliefs it might just be what they need to see to find their own voice for their life. Saying things like that to someone who is advocating is equivalent to “it’s not going to make a difference so you might as well not even bother” “it’s not worth it” which to me is further erasing and diminishing my family member and others that I love. It wasn’t my intent to say that withholding money didn’t matter. I actively try not to spend my money at Walmart but that is difficult and I am struggling with trying to do the same with Amazon. Damn them for being so convenient. I realize Walmart doesn’t give a damn about me not giving my money to them. There is a charity that I also absolutely refuse to donate to but recognize they don’t even care. I was saying that I think you would get further with starting here. Perhaps telling your nephews daily struggles would get some peas to understand the direct impact these bills have on people, or more specifically children. Maybe not on a travel recommendation thread though.  I am on my phone so I can’t multi quote but for Merge there are other peas that have lgbtq children and post respectfully. I read the entirety of their posts. However, when you end posts multiple times with I fucking hate republicans that usually doesn’t indicate you want to have respectful conversations. However, that is just my opinion and I also don’t fall in line with republicans on this issue so I can’t speak that this would be true of all republicans on this board. I try not to convolute threads or crossover/lump context/ further confuse. The posts in which I wrote I “fucking hate republicans” were in context to those posts, for example, I wrote that regarding the republicans who are writing legislation in Texas banning the existence and turning their parents into CPS of trans kids. I also may have wrote that on the thread where republicans are writing legislation to make it illegal and punishable to talk about being gay In Schools. Yup. Hate them. I cannot be apologetic for that. |
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Post by Laurie on Feb 27, 2022 23:11:52 GMT
I also want to clarify that my post really applies to everyone on both sides. I was specifically talking to papercraft because she is the one still engaging in discussion and to her credit I do feel like she is listening and maybe even understanding what some of us have said. I respect her for still having this conversation.
I also realize that it seems like I have oversimplified this and this particular issue (for lack of a better term) is serious. I truly am not trying to say that just being nice will make the world right. I am just looking for a place to start. I know I am probably coming off as a Pollyanna and tbh I know I am a bit naive. SD isn’t exactly a diverse place so I don’t see what a lot of the people on big cities see when it comes to just about everything.
Let’s find a common ground here on the board and in our communities. Im ready to roll up my sleeves and get it done. What can I do?
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Post by Merge on Feb 27, 2022 23:13:11 GMT
Sigh…again, I wasn’t the loudmouth calling people names. I wasn’t trying to be political. A big part of this fallout is that things were being attributed to me that just were not coming from me, were not written by me, were not implied by me. (And they’re still being applied to me.) I never intended to go into any detail at all to make a case for my viewpoint. I was good after my first post. I intended that post to be the ONLY thing I wrote on that thread. All my subsequent posts have been trying to clarify, and I’m being beaten to death over them because of what others have said (I said/wrote) when it’s their posts that were ugly, name calling and disrespectful. Was my post a dick move? In hindsight, according to several, likely so—but again I never meant for it to be anything other than what I actually said in my first post—A non-political personal opinion. I do hear what you’re saying. I don’t disagree with having respectful conversations. It’s not accurate to pile that onus on me for that thread. I wasn’t being disrespectful towards the OP—unless the rule now is that we must get permission on what we post in threads started by someone else. And, I believe that your post here/now considers all the information I’ve SINCE posted without the benefit of those who really threw the thread. And as a side note, regardless if my lack of financial spending in Florida breaks them or not—it doesn’t matter. I’d do it/say it every day of the year twice over. Advocacy has to start somewhere. I know I’m not alone and quite often once someone sees someone else standing up for their beliefs it might just be what they need to see to find their own voice for their life. Saying things like that to someone who is advocating is equivalent to “it’s not going to make a difference so you might as well not even bother” “it’s not worth it” which to me is further erasing and diminishing my family member and others that I love. It wasn’t my intent to say that withholding money didn’t matter. I actively try not to spend my money at Walmart but that is difficult and I am struggling with trying to do the same with Amazon. Damn them for being so convenient. I realize Walmart doesn’t give a damn about me not giving my money to them. There is a charity that I also absolutely refuse to donate to but recognize they don’t even care. I was saying that I think you would get further with starting here. Perhaps telling your nephews daily struggles would get some peas to understand the direct impact these bills have on people, or more specifically children. Maybe not on a travel recommendation thread though. I am on my phone so I can’t multi quote but for Merge there are other peas that have lgbtq children and post respectfully. I read the entirety of their posts. However, when you end posts multiple times with I fucking hate republicans that usually doesn’t indicate you want to have respectful conversations. However, that is just my opinion and I also don’t fall in line with republicans on this issue so I can’t speak that this would be true of all republicans on this board. OK. Can you share why you feel the burden of being respectful falls on the person whose child is being demeaned and threatened? |
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Post by Laurie on Feb 27, 2022 23:21:54 GMT
It wasn’t my intent to say that withholding money didn’t matter. I actively try not to spend my money at Walmart but that is difficult and I am struggling with trying to do the same with Amazon. Damn them for being so convenient. I realize Walmart doesn’t give a damn about me not giving my money to them. There is a charity that I also absolutely refuse to donate to but recognize they don’t even care. I was saying that I think you would get further with starting here. Perhaps telling your nephews daily struggles would get some peas to understand the direct impact these bills have on people, or more specifically children. Maybe not on a travel recommendation thread though. I am on my phone so I can’t multi quote but for Merge there are other peas that have lgbtq children and post respectfully. I read the entirety of their posts. However, when you end posts multiple times with I fucking hate republicans that usually doesn’t indicate you want to have respectful conversations. However, that is just my opinion and I also don’t fall in line with republicans on this issue so I can’t speak that this would be true of all republicans on this board. OK. Can you share why you feel the burden of being respectful falls on the person whose child is being demeaned and threatened? Hopefully my reply in what I just posted clarifies that. I was really speaking generically for both sides. So it applied to kibbles and anyone else who wants to make everything a political matter. I am also speaking to papercraft though because she is having this discussion so I want to address her comments specifically. I feel it would be rude to not address her when she is actively having this conversation. The burden isn’t on her or anyone. I was pointing out if you want to change the mind of peas like kibble attacking won’t get it done. Likewise kibbles (or any other pea) attacking someone else’s beliefs isn’t going to work either. Again, I know it seems I am simplify this too much but I have been actively trying to look within myself and how can I invoke change. I have some very far left people in my life and some very far right people in my life. Their constant attacking is wearing on me so I am trying to look inward and figuring out what I can do to change that. I can’t help the world but I can try to help those around me. |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 28, 2022 7:27:09 GMT
Y’all, please take your conversation not pertinent to my thread elsewhere. We live FL, and visit there almost every year. If it’s not your things, that’s fine, but I’m not asking for those opinions here. Thanks! has great suggestions! If you end up headed towards SWFL instead, HMU because that's where I have lots of experience. Do you realize the irony of your statement? I think papercraftadvocate has taken a lot of heat for posting her heartfelt personal choices and opinion. Maybe it wasn’t the right place to post that, but you could have expressed your opinion differently. Respectfully, the thread turned sideways in part when you started attacking, insulting and cursing at her. And I think there’s a difference of opinion on what makes a post political or not. From your perspective, it might be political, but to someone else with a family member whose basic rights are being threatened, whose existence is being denied, and who is being demeaned, it feels personal and more of a humanity choice. Your perspective and experience that Florida is LGBTQ friendly is valid, but it’s not universal. Other people’s opposite perspectives and experiences are valid, too. There are concrete, legitimate reasons for them to feel that Florida is hostile to the LGBTQ community. Maybe not the entire state, but enough that people are choosing to avoid spending money and time there. And that, too, is a valid perspective, even if it’s different from yours. |
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Post by J u l e e on Feb 28, 2022 12:16:35 GMT
OK. Can you share why you feel the burden of being respectful falls on the person whose child is being demeaned and threatened? Hopefully my reply in what I just posted clarifies that. I was really speaking generically for both sides. So it applied to kibbles and anyone else who wants to make everything a political matter. I am also speaking to papercraft though because she is having this discussion so I want to address her comments specifically. I feel it would be rude to not address her when she is actively having this conversation. The burden isn’t on her or anyone. I was pointing out if you want to change the mind of peas like kibble attacking won’t get it done. Likewise kibbles (or any other pea) attacking someone else’s beliefs isn’t going to work either. Again, I know it seems I am simplify this too much but I have been actively trying to look within myself and how can I invoke change. I have some very far left people in my life and some very far right people in my life. Their constant attacking is wearing on me so I am trying to look inward and figuring out what I can do to change that. I can’t help the world but I can try to help those around me. Your personality is much like mine, Laurie, and I appreciate how you approached this thread. There are lots of personalities here though, and while I wouldn’t ever respond like either papercrafteradvocate or kibblesandbits , I can’t really expect them to post like I do. Nor would I really want them to. I can stop reading if I want. I have more than one happy place. While it does wear on me too, I’ve learned a lot by hanging in here and reading all kinds of discussions that don’t go the way I’d like them to. We need all kinds of voices to sharpen our own, even the passionate, and the rude (which is what I really hate the most), and the ones who use words we never would. And honestly, simply changing the title when posts weren’t welcomed is what made me look at it in the first place. I wouldn't have responded that way either, but that’s the beauty of a message board. I cannot stand conflict and having peace in my life is huge. Here on this board is different. It has actually helped me relate to the wide range of viewpoints in my family and friends. Anyway, I get what you’re trying to say and appreciate you. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 1:08:18 GMT
I have to intervene. It's not really an "ignorant opinion of FL", sorry. We've lived close by Clearwater for over 11 years now. While some beaches seemed nice 11 years ago, we stopped going since it was too dangerous for DH to even step on the sand. Regarding LGBT+ people in FL, I honestly fear for DD33 who is lesbian. We had her friends who were gay live in this complex for a year also. It's a scary thing to hear the locals give their "religious" opinions daily here. Being gay is something I'd keep to myself. I've met MANY, MANY people down here who have a similar disdain of people who originated from NY or up north, so I keep my mouth shut here, often, and never advertise where I originated from, etc. Has the DeSantis "Don't Say Gay" Bill been discussed? Yeah, that's FL. They want to turn the clock back, keep gays in the closet or eliminated. Sorry, but it's true. While some areas of SWFL seem to be more "normal", these backward people still exist here. As far as beaches, I used to love going to Honeymoon Island, near Clearwater. I'd steer clear of visiting where the Scientology building is. I went once and it gave me the creeps, esp when you see these vacant-looking faces walking near there. Sorry, but it's true, real, and a part of FL. I live not far from Clearwater. We drive around the area and the State with NY plates have have ZERO issues; in fact, the few experience I've had regarding being from NY have been extremely positive. The LGBT+ people I know have had few issues here--no more than anywhere else, really--and actually like and enjoy Florida. I'm sorry you and your family have had so many negative experiences. It's not only me and my family who've had negative experiences here. DD's friends lived in the same complex as us. They're a gay couple and they encountered a lot of hateful remarks, hateful glaring, etc. They moved back to NY only 6 months after living down here.
And if you live in FL as your main residence, you're supposed to change your driver's license and plates within a short time or you could get ticketed.
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