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Post by grinningcat on Nov 28, 2014 13:12:44 GMT
Because what I'm reading is making my head explode. Some people are saying that Black Friday traces its roots back to the slave trade... except the term wasn't coined until the early 1950s. So what the hell? How does shopping on Black Friday have anything to do with the Michael Brown incident. Because right now I'm only seeing a lot of ignorance and misplaced anger.
Thank you.
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Post by christine58 on Nov 28, 2014 13:17:34 GMT
They are looking for excuses. Go ahead and boycott...leave the shop owners and shoppers alone. I've had enough of these idiots getting so much press.
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Post by pyccku on Nov 28, 2014 13:20:51 GMT
You hit the nail on the head - ignorance and misplaced anger.
I'm sad to say that one of my former students has been posting the idiocy on FB - "We can't have justice, so we'll show people that we're angry by destroying stuff and making a big mess so that everyone knows that we're angry and they'll be afraid to deny us justice again!"
No, you're mad about something, and now you're taking it out on people who are entirely uninvolved in the whole issue, so that THEY will be afraid to re-open their businesses and the place will be even worse off than before. Yeah, I'm sure that the whole justice system is going to change because some people through a temper tantrum and closed some roads, looted some businesses, and just made a nuisance of themselves.
How about...educating people so that they can grow up to change the system from within? White cops and the white justice system not working for you? Encourage your young people to get an education and become cops, lawyers, judges, and prosecutors! Have some peaceful protests.
It's very, very hard for me to hitch my wagon to a guy who is on video robbing a store just a short time before he got into an altercation with the cops. Find the guy who was innocent of all wrongdoing, who wasn't doing drugs, who didn't have a criminal record already - use THAT guy as your reason for changing the system.
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 28, 2014 13:23:06 GMT
Historically speaking, I was always told that the term "Black Friday" referred to accounting processes. Back in the day, when ledgers were kept by hand, negative balances were written in red ink, and positive balances were in black. So when a business made enough money to cover all their debts for the year, they were "in the black."
So "Black Friday" would be a day that enough shoppers were out that they brought in a lot of money that could bring a business into "the black" and positive balances to cover all their debts.
Knowing that, I too am a bit confused as to how it could be tied to slavery.
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Post by grinningcat on Nov 28, 2014 13:32:00 GMT
Historically speaking, I was always told that the term "Black Friday" referred to accounting processes. Back in the day, when ledgers were kept by hand, negative balances were written in red ink, and positive balances were in black. So when a business made enough money to cover all their debts for the year, they were "in the black." So "Black Friday" would be a day that enough shoppers were out that they brought in a lot of money that could bring a business into "the black" and positive balances to cover all their debts. Knowing that, I too am a bit confused as to how it could be tied to slavery. That's how I always understood it. Reading the whole slavery thing made my head explode. I would understand a "stop commercialism" boycott (actually I know people who waste their time on that kind of protest) but not this kind of boycott. |
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Post by gonewalkabout on Nov 28, 2014 13:41:59 GMT
Historically speaking, I was always told that the term "Black Friday" referred to accounting processes. Back in the day, when ledgers were kept by hand, negative balances were written in red ink, and positive balances were in black. So when a business made enough money to cover all their debts for the year, they were "in the black." So "Black Friday" would be a day that enough shoppers were out that they brought in a lot of money that could bring a business into "the black" and positive balances to cover all their debts. Knowing that, I too am a bit confused as to how it could be tied to slavery. Everyone I know believes this is the origin also. The tie to slavery is a load of nonsense. |
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Post by tiffanytwisted on Nov 28, 2014 13:56:22 GMT
Seriously? Because the phrase has the word 'black' in it, it must have something to do w/slavery? Seriously? My understanding has always been what anxiousmom said. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 14:02:05 GMT
Actually, the origin has nothing to do with the accounting practices of red ink and black ink. Black Friday Origin |
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Post by hop2 on Nov 28, 2014 14:03:31 GMT
I guess they are boycotting 'black' Friday because it's 'black' I'm not sure cause I don't understand why they are doing most if what they are doing. :shrug: I guess they are looking to rewrite history to their liking. It's 'black' Friday so it must be offensive. I'll reserve my anger for things like this: nypost.com/2014/11/24/death-of-man-shot-by-nypd-rookie-ruled-homicide/. mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/nyregion/police-tactic-scrutinized-after-accidental-shooting.html?referrer=&_r=0Because that's a totally unjustified police shooting. And I have a difficult time swallowing the 'accident' line. Shooting a man because he's walking his girlfriend down stairs in her own building should never happen. He did nothing. I am offended by that incident. Yet the world doesn't seem to be. Once the police came out with the 'tragic accident' line and said they'll 'change policy' people just went on their way. Meanwhile the guy is still employed as a police officer. Frankly, I think that ought to be a career ending mistake at the very least. But there's little public outrage, barely media coverage. I don't see cnn here encamped to get to the bottom of it. SMH |
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 28, 2014 14:09:52 GMT
Actually, the origin has nothing to do with the accounting practices of red ink and black ink. Black Friday OriginI was just reading about this...it is interesting how so entrenched the idea that it is about accounting has become. I just read that it wasn't until the 80's that this definition became popular. I am so glad that this question came up. I learned something new today!! |
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Post by BeckyTech on Nov 28, 2014 15:01:39 GMT
I guess they are boycotting 'black' Friday because it's 'black' I'm not sure cause I don't understand why they are doing most if what they are doing. :shrug: I guess they are looking to rewrite history to their liking. It's 'black' Friday so it must be offensive. I'll reserve my anger for things like this: nypost.com/2014/11/24/death-of-man-shot-by-nypd-rookie-ruled-homicide/. mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/nyregion/police-tactic-scrutinized-after-accidental-shooting.html?referrer=&_r=0Because that's a totally unjustified police shooting. And I have a difficult time swallowing the 'accident' line. Shooting a man because he's walking his girlfriend down stairs in her own building should never happen. He did nothing. I am offended by that incident. Yet the world doesn't seem to be. Once the police came out with the 'tragic accident' line and said they'll 'change policy' people just went on their way. Meanwhile the guy is still employed as a police officer. Frankly, I think that ought to be a career ending mistake at the very least. But there's little public outrage, barely media coverage. I don't see cnn here encamped to get to the bottom of it. SMH I read both these stories, and it certainly appears to be as the police official (unnamed) said "“This is a result of poor in-street field training; you literally had the blind leading the blind out there.” This shooting was not about race, but an under-trained police officer being careless. These are dangerous housing units and it appears the young officer had his finger on the trigger against policy. I agree though, there are surely plenty of cases where race is clearly an issue that could serve as a focal point for all these protests. Not a strong-armed robber who attacked a uniformed police officer. So-called witnesses lied because "“I just felt like I want to be part of something.” All this useless destruction is disgusting, it is doing nothing to call attention to a real problem. |
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Post by christine58 on Nov 28, 2014 16:41:42 GMT
Seriously? Because the phrase has the word 'black' in it, it must have something to do w/slavery? Seriously? My understanding has always been what anxiousmom said. So tired of this BS.....let's destroy businesses (how about that poor bakery run by an AA woman that they pretty much destroyed?? AND now donations are at $200,000 for her....which is awesome). Grow the F up all of those protesters. Be peaceful in your protests...that's all it takes. |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 28, 2014 16:58:30 GMT
Taking the Black out of Black friday is about taking Black people out of spending money in corporate American and instead putting the money in the Black Community. It is an economic boycott like one MKL started in the 60's that helped bring about changes in the civil rights movement.
It makes perfectly good sense and is an excellent peaceful protest, economic boycotts are by far the most effective.
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Post by tiffanytwisted on Nov 28, 2014 17:17:14 GMT
Taking the Black out of Black friday is about taking Black people out of spending money in corporate American and instead putting the money in the Black Community. It is an economic boycott like one MKL started in the 60's that helped bring about changes in the civil rights movement. It makes perfectly good sense and is an excellent peaceful protest, economic boycotts are by far the most effective. But the Black in Black Friday has nothing to do with the Black Community. |
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Post by BeckyTech on Nov 28, 2014 17:22:28 GMT
Taking the Black out of Black friday is about taking Black people out of spending money in corporate American and instead putting the money in the Black Community. It is an economic boycott like one MKL started in the 60's that helped bring about changes in the civil rights movement. It makes perfectly good sense and is an excellent peaceful protest, economic boycotts are by far the most effective. So you are saying that the people that are participating in this boycott are not going to buy Christmas presents at all and instead put their money elsewhere? Sure, I believe that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 17:23:27 GMT
Boycott to protest the Ferguson incident all you want.
But saying that Black Friday was so named because it dealt with slavery is just ridiculous.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 28, 2014 18:13:31 GMT
Taking the Black out of Black friday is about taking Black people out of spending money in corporate American and instead putting the money in the Black Community. It is an economic boycott like one MKL started in the 60's that helped bring about changes in the civil rights movement. It makes perfectly good sense and is an excellent peaceful protest, economic boycotts are by far the most effective. But the Black in Black Friday has nothing to do with the Black Community. Right. That is just a take on the name. Making it memorable. |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 28, 2014 18:14:30 GMT
Taking the Black out of Black friday is about taking Black people out of spending money in corporate American and instead putting the money in the Black Community. It is an economic boycott like one MKL started in the 60's that helped bring about changes in the civil rights movement. It makes perfectly good sense and is an excellent peaceful protest, economic boycotts are by far the most effective. So you are saying that the people that are participating in this boycott are not going to buy Christmas presents at all and instead put their money elsewhere? Sure, I believe that. The idea is to not spend money in Corporate America but in Black owned businesses. Not to not buy Christmas presents.. its like buying local... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 18:26:50 GMT
People boycott for all sorts of reasons. Their prerogative.
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Post by freebird on Nov 28, 2014 18:32:43 GMT
Because what I'm reading is making my head explode. Some people are saying that Black Friday traces its roots back to the slave trade... except the term wasn't coined until the early 1950s. So what the hell? How does shopping on Black Friday have anything to do with the Michael Brown incident. Because right now I'm only seeing a lot of ignorance and misplaced anger. Thank you. That's the dumbest thing I've heard all day. Think about it, if they had ANYTHING to do with each other then it wouldn't be called BLACK Friday because they didn't call black people black then.
It's an accounting term (we're finally in the black!) Sheesh this world is full of stupid people.
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Post by pyccku on Nov 28, 2014 19:11:50 GMT
So you are saying that the people that are participating in this boycott are not going to buy Christmas presents at all and instead put their money elsewhere? Sure, I believe that. The idea is to not spend money in Corporate America but in Black owned businesses. Not to not buy Christmas presents.. its like buying local... Maybe they could go buy something from those Black-owned businesses that they looted and burned down? |
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Post by scrapnnana on Nov 28, 2014 19:46:34 GMT
As Freebird pointed out, those of African-American heritage were not referred to as "black" when Black Friday was first coined. Here is a link to Snopes, where it gives both the urban legend email about it being related to slavery, and the debunking: Black Friday myth and actual origins |
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Post by ginacivey on Nov 28, 2014 20:23:11 GMT
ya know. if all they were doing is taking their dollars out of 'black friday' - or just protesting...i am all for it
they are currently protesting at the Galleria....and Nordstorms has shut their doors.
how exactly is THIS affecting change?
gina
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Post by azredhead on Nov 28, 2014 20:27:58 GMT
Because they are trying desperately to make it something it's not. I'm all for change and to make things better but this is just going to have the opposite affect. Maybe they could go back and rebuild the community shops and church that were burned down in the previous riots.
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Post by christine58 on Nov 28, 2014 20:29:36 GMT
Taking the Black out of Black friday is about taking Black people out of spending money in corporate American and instead putting the money in the Black Community. It is an economic boycott like one MKL started in the 60's that helped bring about changes in the civil rights movement. It makes perfectly good sense and is an excellent peaceful protest, economic boycotts are by far the most effective. doubt it....they aren't doing this at all. Find me the article and proof that this is what their protest is all about. I call BS> |
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Post by ginacivey on Nov 28, 2014 20:31:19 GMT
they are laying down and playing dead...in the middle of the mall.
it's ridiculous...this morning they were in Target in Brentwood hollering - hands up..don't shoot
for fucks sake
at least say something profound
gina
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Post by jbelle on Nov 28, 2014 20:59:11 GMT
Can't wait to hear the spin on the true meaning of Cyber Monday.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 28, 2014 21:21:06 GMT
It doesn't "black" refers to being in the positive side of the cash flow rather than being in the red.
I don't understand how people can get up on their cross and defend this bully and thief and drug user who set his fate in motion that day...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 21:33:56 GMT
Just wanted to say I'm not defending anyone. I haven't even said how I feel on the whole case at all. Just stating people boycott all over for tons of reasons. Some I find silly, others not. I prefer this to violence though.
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Post by marimoose on Nov 28, 2014 21:38:55 GMT
Historically speaking, I was always told that the term "Black Friday" referred to accounting processes. Back in the day, when ledgers were kept by hand, negative balances were written in red ink, and positive balances were in black. So when a business made enough money to cover all their debts for the year, they were "in the black." So "Black Friday" would be a day that enough shoppers were out that they brought in a lot of money that could bring a business into "the black" and positive balances to cover all their debts. Knowing that, I too am a bit confused as to how it could be tied to slavery. Everyone I know believes this is the origin also. The tie to slavery is a load of nonsense. Geez. It just shows how ignorant those people, who are trying to stir up trouble, truly are. Any reason to loot and riot. So over it. It most definitely is as others have stated, it is when a company traditionally went into the "black" on their ledgers. |
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