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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Mar 2, 2022 18:34:29 GMT
Another reason for a separate, specific anti-lynching law? There are those who challenge hate crime legislation as unconstitutional because it gives an enhanced penalty based on the offenders “speech.” If that ever makes it to a level where it can be overturned, this law could survive even if “generic” hate crime law is overturned. I haven’t read the bill, but if it outlaws the act, regardless of the offender’s motivation (thus no requirement to show hate was involved), it will be less susceptible to being challenged.
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 2, 2022 19:08:34 GMT
It's NOW time we formally as a society acknowledge lynchings are wrong? What century are you living in? I don’t understand your post, what exactly are you so worked up about by what I said? Are you pro lynching? Debating wether LEO participated? Dismayed that we are admitting how horrible it is way too late? What exactly about my post are you so angry about that you needed a multi paragraph bolded smackdown? Most of what you posted verifies what I said. They were wrong are wrong and we at some point ought to address that as a nation no? Am I pro lynching? Just how irrational are you? From your words, which I repeated twice originally and once again here, thousands and thousands of lynchings have been (and continue to be?) committed in the US un-acknowledged and unpunished. Acknowledgement and punishment have been happening since the first half of the last century! and I backed that up by linking to and quoting from an NAACP site. But somehow, it's finally time now to acknowledge how horrific these crimes are? Now? Tim Scott is a black man and was the senator who was responsible for creating Opportunity Zones (look it up) under the last administration. He's actively creating and passing legislature that benefits all citizens, most especially black and minority. I admire him. Corey Booker's name is on the bill too, which adds the element of how the bill will make people feel. I don't personally see the need for another law that is duplicative to what we already have and already enforce, but just the mere fact that Tim Scott's name is on the bill makes it something to take seriously for many Republicans legislators. This new anti-lynching bill will make people feel more protected, whether or not it literally makes them any more protected. Just wait. Corey Booker is going to take this and campaign on how he has now made it a terrible thing to lynch someone in America. Now. |
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Post by lucyg on Mar 2, 2022 19:22:45 GMT
I don’t understand your post, what exactly are you so worked up about by what I said? Are you pro lynching? Debating wether LEO participated? Dismayed that we are admitting how horrible it is way too late? What exactly about my post are you so angry about that you needed a multi paragraph bolded smackdown? Most of what you posted verifies what I said. They were wrong are wrong and we at some point ought to address that as a nation no? Am I pro lynching? Just how irrational are you? From your words, which I repeated twice originally and once again here, thousands and thousands of lynchings have been (and continue to be?) committed in the US un-acknowledged and unpunished. Acknowledgement and punishment have been happening since the first half of the last century! and I backed that up by linking to and quoting from an NAACP site. But somehow, it's finally time now to acknowledge how horrific these crimes are? Now? Tim Scott is a black man and was the senator who was responsible for creating Opportunity Zones (look it up) under the last administration. He's actively creating and passing legislature that benefits all citizens, most especially black and minority. I admire him. Corey Booker's name is on the bill too, which adds the element of how the bill will make people feel. I don't personally see the need for another law that is duplicative to what we already have and already enforce, but just the mere fact that Tim Scott's name is on the bill makes it something to take seriously for many Republicans legislators. This new anti-lynching bill will make people feel more protected, whether or not it literally makes them any more protected. Just wait. Corey Booker is going to take this and campaign on how he has now made it a terrible thing to lynch someone in America. Now. You have crossed some kind of line into extreme bitterness I can’t even begin to understand. Of course Corey Booker is going to campaign on passing this law. So will Tim Scott. That’s what politicians do. They wouldn’t be much good at getting themselves elected if they didn’t. But somehow when a Democrat does it, it’s offensive? All righty, then. |
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Post by lucyg on Mar 2, 2022 19:28:02 GMT
You were not behaving in a hostile manner, if that’s what you think I was saying. On the other hand, you seem heavily invested in explaining why three Congress members (out of 425 who voted) voted no. So few members were opposed that it wouldn’t even seem to need any explanation. There’s always a few, and we can probably safely ignore them. Unless it actually matters to you. Apparently even Gosar, Gohmert, Greene, and Boebert didn’t vote against this bill. That’s really saying something. And you seem so heavily invested in shutting down facts that contradict the reasoning for this bill, not to mention any other perspective whatsoever. So here we are. um, okay. Whatever that means. I’m not either of the ones who were frothing over the possibility of a law that partially duplicates but also expands upon existing law, and really means something important to lots of people, getting passed almost unanimously in our very divided Congress. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 2, 2022 19:38:51 GMT
I've had a moment to think, and I apologize to you personally hop2. I have nothing against you and it may have seemed like I do. I have zero tolerance left for anyone who liberally smears labels of racism on people who don't deserve it. And I haven't much more, if any, tolerance for people who deliberately distort our history so that even though they are among the most privileged people who have ever lived on this earth, they can say nothing good for the country that made it possible. This board is rife with miserable attitude and it in turn makes me miserable to read it. I won't live my life that way, so I walk away when I've had enough. Once in a while, something happens that makes me wander back in to see what the peas are saying, and even rarer a post catches my eye that makes me sign back in just to address it. This was one such topic. And you, hop, just happened to be on the receiving end. It's not you. Just be careful who you suggest supports such vile things as lynching in the future, eh? |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 2, 2022 22:03:03 GMT
We've already explained why now. And several peas have very patiently and articulately explained from a legal perspective why the bill is necessary and why it's not a duplicate. 422 legislators, even some really awful ones, voted for the bill. But 2 of you can't get on board? OK then
And leftturnonly, if you don't like the label racism (which no one has used here BTW) maybe look at your posting history, especially the threads you started, and see if there's a reason.
opposition to the anti-lynching bill
support for the truckers blockade that included white supremacists
comparing violent crime statistics for Chicago to Covid
and this little gem, suggesting that it's not more important than ever to talk about racism now because we elected a black president and a black biracial VP
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Post by lucyg on Mar 3, 2022 0:07:14 GMT
Pretending history didn’t happen is rarely a good idea in the long run.
This nonsense about making white children “feel bad” is made-up BS from the right-wing media. No one is trying to make white kids feel personally responsible for slavery, Jim Crow, lynchings, systemic racism, and all the rest of it. Wait, I will walk that back, because I’m sure someone, somewhere in this country of 330 million people actually is, and the right-wing media will find them and create a cause celebre out of it, but the other 99.9999% of us aren’t.
Being honest about our actual history, not the whitewashed version, and helping kids of all races understand how things have worked in this country in the past, how it affects us to this day, and what we can do to make things better, is a GOOD thing.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 3, 2022 1:25:49 GMT
You were not behaving in a hostile manner, if that’s what you think I was saying. On the other hand, you seem heavily invested in explaining why three Congress members (out of 425 who voted) voted no. So few members were opposed that it wouldn’t even seem to need any explanation. There’s always a few, and we can probably safely ignore them. Unless it actually matters to you. Apparently even Gosar, Gohmert, Greene, and Boebert didn’t vote against this bill. That’s really saying something. And you seem so heavily invested in shutting down facts that contradict the reasoning for this bill, not to mention any other perspective whatsoever. So here we are. Read up one sweetheart. You were wrong. Again. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 3, 2022 1:27:22 GMT
I don’t understand your post, what exactly are you so worked up about by what I said? Are you pro lynching? Debating wether LEO participated? Dismayed that we are admitting how horrible it is way too late? What exactly about my post are you so angry about that you needed a multi paragraph bolded smackdown? Most of what you posted verifies what I said. They were wrong are wrong and we at some point ought to address that as a nation no? Am I pro lynching? Just how irrational are you? From your words, which I repeated twice originally and once again here, thousands and thousands of lynchings have been (and continue to be?) committed in the US un-acknowledged and unpunished. Acknowledgement and punishment have been happening since the first half of the last century! and I backed that up by linking to and quoting from an NAACP site. But somehow, it's finally time now to acknowledge how horrific these crimes are? Now? Tim Scott is a black man and was the senator who was responsible for creating Opportunity Zones (look it up) under the last administration. He's actively creating and passing legislature that benefits all citizens, most especially black and minority. I admire him. Corey Booker's name is on the bill too, which adds the element of how the bill will make people feel. I don't personally see the need for another law that is duplicative to what we already have and already enforce, but just the mere fact that Tim Scott's name is on the bill makes it something to take seriously for many Republicans legislators. This new anti-lynching bill will make people feel more protected, whether or not it literally makes them any more protected. Just wait. Corey Booker is going to take this and campaign on how he has now made it a terrible thing to lynch someone in America. Now. It’s not duplicative. Read it again and compare. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 3, 2022 1:28:07 GMT
Am I pro lynching? Just how irrational are you? From your words, which I repeated twice originally and once again here, thousands and thousands of lynchings have been (and continue to be?) committed in the US un-acknowledged and unpunished. Acknowledgement and punishment have been happening since the first half of the last century! and I backed that up by linking to and quoting from an NAACP site. But somehow, it's finally time now to acknowledge how horrific these crimes are? Now? Tim Scott is a black man and was the senator who was responsible for creating Opportunity Zones (look it up) under the last administration. He's actively creating and passing legislature that benefits all citizens, most especially black and minority. I admire him. Corey Booker's name is on the bill too, which adds the element of how the bill will make people feel. I don't personally see the need for another law that is duplicative to what we already have and already enforce, but just the mere fact that Tim Scott's name is on the bill makes it something to take seriously for many Republicans legislators. This new anti-lynching bill will make people feel more protected, whether or not it literally makes them any more protected. Just wait. Corey Booker is going to take this and campaign on how he has now made it a terrible thing to lynch someone in America. Now. You have crossed some kind of line into extreme bitterness I can’t even begin to understand. Of course Corey Booker is going to campaign on passing this law. So will Tim Scott. That’s what politicians do. They wouldn’t be much good at getting themselves elected if they didn’t. But somehow when a Democrat does it, it’s offensive? All righty, then. Not to mention ALL 422 voted in favor, it was 3 republicans who didn’t. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 3, 2022 1:29:29 GMT
I've had a moment to think, and I apologize to you personally hop2. I have nothing against you and it may have seemed like I do. I have zero tolerance left for anyone who liberally smears labels of racism on people who don't deserve it. And I haven't much more, if any, tolerance for people who deliberately distort our history so that even though they are among the most privileged people who have ever lived on this earth, they can say nothing good for the country that made it possible. This board is rife with miserable attitude and it in turn makes me miserable to read it. I won't live my life that way, so I walk away when I've had enough. Once in a while, something happens that makes me wander back in to see what the peas are saying, and even rarer a post catches my eye that makes me sign back in just to address it. This was one such topic. And you, hop, just happened to be on the receiving end. It's not you. Just be careful who you suggest supports such vile things as lynching in the future, eh? So lynching is not racist? |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 3, 2022 4:04:47 GMT
I've had a moment to think, and I apologize to you personally hop2 . I have nothing against you and it may have seemed like I do. I have zero tolerance left for anyone who liberally smears labels of racism on people who don't deserve it. And I haven't much more, if any, tolerance for people who deliberately distort our history so that even though they are among the most privileged people who have ever lived on this earth, they can say nothing good for the country that made it possible.This board is rife with miserable attitude and it in turn makes me miserable to read it. I won't live my life that way, so I walk away when I've had enough. Once in a while, something happens that makes me wander back in to see what the peas are saying, and even rarer a post catches my eye that makes me sign back in just to address it. This was one such topic. And you, hop, just happened to be on the receiving end. It's not you. Just be careful who you suggest supports such vile things as lynching in the future, eh? People can be proud of parts of our history - the Revolutionary war, our constitution etc and ashamed of other parts of our history like slavery. Just because people are honest about the history of slavery or what we did to the Native Americans, that doesn't mean that they're distorting it or incapable of also saying good things. And people can honest about history including the negative parts and be grateful for the sacrifices of previous generations at the same time. They're not mutually exclusive feelings. And maybe some people on this board have miserable attitudes about what the Republicans are doing because we know that our country can be better. We have a vision for a better future, one that includes every race, ethnicity, socio-economic status and other disadvantaged groups like LGBTQ. We want a better, more inclusive future for our children and equity moving forward. Diversity, equity and inclusion isn't about making white children feel bad. It's about teaching children to be tolerant, empathetic, accepting and respectful. |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 3, 2022 4:37:20 GMT
A side note but here's why Trump and other Republicans claims that they're victims of racism are false and disingenuous. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/05/trump-redefine-racism/Bishop Talbert Swan, president of the Greater Springfield, Mass., chapter of the NAACP, said, “It is gaslighting on steroids for White men who have always been the most privileged segment of society to think that America offering to non-White males the privileges that they have always had from birth is somehow discriminating against them. For that demographic to be out in public, screaming racism and pretending to be victims is one of the most clownish disingenuous acts that I’ve ever seen.” |
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Post by zima on Mar 3, 2022 4:56:26 GMT
Being honest about our actual history, not the whitewashed version, and helping kids of all races understand how things have worked in this country in the past, how it affects us to this day, and what we can do to make things better, is a GOOD thing. I ruv roo. |
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Post by zima on Mar 3, 2022 4:59:08 GMT
“It is gaslighting on steroids for White men who have always been the most privileged segment of society to think that America offering to non-White males the privileges that they have always had from birth is somehow discriminating against them. As the old saying goes: When you're accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression. The white Christian cis-het men have had the world their way for millennia. Anything less feels like they're being "discriminated against". |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 3, 2022 15:33:45 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Mar 4, 2022 17:31:43 GMT
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 8, 2022 2:09:47 GMT
The senate passed this bill tonight.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 8, 2022 2:13:43 GMT
I am pleased to be incorrect in my previous lack of hope about the Senate passing this.
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 8, 2022 2:14:33 GMT
I am pleased to be incorrect in my previous lack of hope about the Senate passing this. They passed two things today. I am buying a lottery ticket. |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 8, 2022 5:02:37 GMT
I am pleased to be incorrect in my previous lack of hope about the Senate passing this. They passed two things today. I am buying a lottery ticket. They agreed on a deal to ban imports on Russian oil, too. No vote yet and sometimes the devil is in the details. And I'm not sure if Biden will sign it. Congress also needs to pass a budget before Friday. Maybe now that they're actually passing bills, there might be a little forward momentum going forward? Probably too much to hope for. www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/03/07/congress-ukraine-gas-prices-aid/Unveiled by a quartet of tax and trade-focused policymakers on Capitol Hill, the new, bipartisan agreement would limit Russian energy imports, suspend normal trade relations between the United States and the Kremlin and task the Biden administration to seek Russia’s suspension from the World Trade Organization. The trade penalties would also apply to Belarus, a key Russian ally in the Ukrainian conflict, according to the four members of Congress who crafted the deal. |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 8, 2022 5:14:40 GMT
www.npr.org/2022/03/07/1085087769/after-more-than-a-century-of-trying-congress-passes-an-anti-lynching-bill"Lynching is a longstanding and uniquely American weapon of racial terror that has for decades been used to maintain the white hierarchy," said Rush.
The congressman said passage of the Emmett Till Anti-Lynching Act "sends a clear and emphatic message that our nation will no longer ignore this shameful chapter of our history and that the full force of the U.S. federal government will always be brought to bear against those who commit this heinous act."
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 8, 2022 6:18:49 GMT
They passed two things today. I am buying a lottery ticket. They agreed on a deal to ban imports on Russian oil, too. No vote yet and sometimes the devil is in the details. And I'm not sure if Biden will sign it. Congress also needs to pass a budget before Friday. Maybe now that they're actually passing bills, there might be a little forward momentum going forward? Probably too much to hope for. www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/03/07/congress-ukraine-gas-prices-aid/Unveiled by a quartet of tax and trade-focused policymakers on Capitol Hill, the new, bipartisan agreement would limit Russian energy imports, suspend normal trade relations between the United States and the Kremlin and task the Biden administration to seek Russia’s suspension from the World Trade Organization. The trade penalties would also apply to Belarus, a key Russian ally in the Ukrainian conflict, according to the four members of Congress who crafted the deal.Oh three then, I should’ve bought two tickets. They passed a USPS reform bill. Among other things they no longer have to pre-fund their pensions for a crazy ridiculous amount of years. |
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Post by casii on Mar 8, 2022 13:50:25 GMT
The senate passed this bill tonight. Good news! Also, how does one go about purchasing a lottery ticket? |
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 8, 2022 19:35:20 GMT
The senate passed this bill tonight. Good news! Also, how does one go about purchasing a lottery ticket? Lol! One walks *very carefully over godawful scary icy sidewalks* to the local Kum & Go convenience store for a slushie and a powerball ticket. 😂 |
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