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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 28, 2022 14:24:58 GMT
If WS just ignored the comment, no one would have remembered it. WS could have gone to Chris Rock and talked it out.. Chris Rock is known for his 'comedy'.. I'm sure hardly anyone would have remembered it like it was presented and moved on. I am not defending either one. But WS should have stood by his "all loving God stance" and talked to him. CR could have made a public apology or personal one right to Jada.
I for one am done fawning over celebrities. That will be the last award show I even attempt to watch. Over it.
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Post by oh yvonne on Mar 28, 2022 14:25:38 GMT
Here’s your proof - Chris Rock made a movie called Good Hair. In the movie he details black women’s struggle with alopecia and uses Jada as an example. Thank-you! Knowing that he definitely knew does impact my opinion. side note, Jada wasn't in Good Hair, she didn't have alopecia (according to her) until 2018. Good Hair was in 2009.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 28, 2022 14:27:41 GMT
Thank-you! Knowing that he definitely knew does impact my opinion. side note, Jada wasn't in Good Hair, she didn't have alopecia (according to her) until 2018. Good Hair was in 2009. She wasn’t in it, but I thought he talked about her in it
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Post by myshelly on Mar 28, 2022 14:29:24 GMT
I do think it’s interesting that, unlike here, the posts, polls, tweets, and articles I’ve seen everywhere else seem to be overwhelmingly Team Will.
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Post by oh yvonne on Mar 28, 2022 14:31:35 GMT
side note, Jada wasn't in Good Hair, she didn't have alopecia (according to her) until 2018. Good Hair was in 2009. She wasn’t in it, but I thought he talked about her in it nope.
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Post by peabay on Mar 28, 2022 14:31:39 GMT
I'm Team "bothered by both."
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Post by J u l e e on Mar 28, 2022 14:35:21 GMT
Does anyone here want their husband hitting someone to protect them from an insult? Cringe.
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Post by casii on Mar 28, 2022 14:39:12 GMT
Does anyone here want their husband hitting someone to protect them from an insult? Cringe. No, we don't need a knight riding on a fiery steed. The only thing I can think to correlate is that as a mother and now grandmother, I pity the fool who hurts my kids or grandkids. My children are adults, but when they're hurt, I'm still stricken with this mama bear instinct to protect my cubs. It's really hard to stand back and let life happen and try to know the best way to be supportive.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 14:40:02 GMT
My oldest and I are just 2 women with alopecia areata.
Neither of us thought the joke was bad.
I have had some really horrible things said to me about my kids and people have even directed nasty/negative comments to the kids.
Not once have I ever thought to hit someone over their ignorant comment.
I have voiced my opinion and educated persons on their poor choice.
Toxic masculinity is not the answer.
Standing up for your wife (as if she is property) by hitting another is not the answer.
Saying I did it out of love is not the answer (and I want to hug all the peas, women and men who have been in DV relationships as well as peas who were abused physically by their parents).
Ricky G has said a lot worse as have other comedians. Their job is to get a rise out of people. Is it okay? No. BUT hitting because you don't like the joke is never okay.
I am not black and I don't have to struggle with cultural hair issues on top of alopecia. But I am not going to sit down and shut up.
I am going to stick up for those who have been hit out of love.
Will is an ass.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 14:40:56 GMT
Does anyone here want their husband hitting someone to protect them from an insult? Cringe. I am so glad my husband wouldn't never do that.
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Post by peabay on Mar 28, 2022 14:44:03 GMT
My oldest and I are just 2 women with alopecia areata. Neither of us thought the joke was bad. I have had some really horrible things said to me about my kids and people have even directed nasty/negative comments to the kids. Not once have I ever thought to hit someone over their ignorant comment. I have voiced my opinion and educated persons on their poor choice. Toxic masculinity is not the answer. Standing up for your wife (as if she is property) by hitting another is not the answer. Saying I did it out of love is not the answer (and I want to hug all the peas, women and men who have been in DV relationships as well as peas who were abused physically by their parents). Ricky G has said a lot worse as have other comedians. Their job is to get a rise out of people. Is it okay? No. BUT hitting because you don't like the joke is never okay. I am not black and I don't have to struggle with cultural hair issues on top of alopecia. But I am not going to sit down and shut up. I am going to stick up for those who have been hit out of love. Will is an ass. While I agree he behaved like an ass, I don't think he necessarily is one. I actually feel badly for him - I think he behaved impulsively and stupidly, but he has to be known for this for the rest of his life. The best day of is life is now the worst day of his life. And I think Chris Rock was going for low-hanging fruit. It was a bad joke - he's better than that. Who came out looking best? Denzel Washington (as he should because I love him.)
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Post by naby64 on Mar 28, 2022 14:44:36 GMT
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Post by busy on Mar 28, 2022 14:46:03 GMT
Profoundly disagree. We can shut up and yield the floor sometimes. Of course we can shut up and yield the floor sometimes. In this case, that shutting up would be about this particular offense - the provocation which has a distinct cultural overtone. I still think all women should be able to join a discussion about men choosing to defend them through violence. And I think everybody should be able to join the conversation about violence as a response to insult. Otherwise, we end up with a spreadsheet of verbal insults that deserve or don’t deserve violence in response. (And as referenced upthread, this can be applied to domestic violence, not just “Look at me defending my woman” violence.) I 100% agree about a broader conversation about violence as a response to insult. That affects everyone, especially women. Like many, my gut reaction to this situation is it's totally wrong and terrible, period. But I quickly saw how most white women seemed to be reacting in the same way and there was a lot more nuance in responses from the Black community - including from the many who think it was very wrong. And that reminded me that things aren't always (for lack of a better term) black and white. That I - and many other white women - lack sufficient context to have a meaningful opinion on the WHOLE of this situation. I can believe violence isn't an appropriate response to a verbal insult while also recognizing I don't understand the full weight of that insult and how it could be more triggering than makes sense to me. And so maybe my opinion, and those of many like me, really just doesn't contribute much of anything to the discourse around this particular situation and sitting on the sidelines and learning is the best course of action at this time.
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Post by oh yvonne on Mar 28, 2022 14:50:13 GMT
My oldest and I are just 2 women with alopecia areata. Neither of us thought the joke was bad. I have had some really horrible things said to me about my kids and people have even directed nasty/negative comments to the kids. Not once have I ever thought to hit someone over their ignorant comment. I have voiced my opinion and educated persons on their poor choice. Toxic masculinity is not the answer. Standing up for your wife (as if she is property) by hitting another is not the answer. Saying I did it out of love is not the answer (and I want to hug all the peas, women and men who have been in DV relationships as well as peas who were abused physically by their parents). Ricky G has said a lot worse as have other comedians. Their job is to get a rise out of people. Is it okay? No. BUT hitting because you don't like the joke is never okay. I am not black and I don't have to struggle with cultural hair issues on top of alopecia. But I am not going to sit down and shut up. I am going to stick up for those who have been hit out of love. Will is an ass. Thank you. My sweet DD also has AA, her waist length hair started falling out at age 12. It was the most devastating heart breaking thing to experience. She wears a human hair wig now, and only shares her diagnosis with her inner circle and family. Neither one of us thought the joke was that bad either. I agree with you, Will is an ass.
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Post by ameslou on Mar 28, 2022 14:51:25 GMT
If WS had so little emotional control on that day, in that space, in front of his peers and industry leaders .. what’s he like in his private life or on set?
Even if I were Team Will in public, I would think real hard before I did a project with him in the future.
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Post by naby64 on Mar 28, 2022 14:51:56 GMT
Here's a side to think about - Jada's side.
I, for one, don't need defending by "my man". Which, to be honest, I can't stand that phrase "my man". He is my husband. For better and for worse. But do you think anyone has gone up to Jada to see what her opinion is? IDK, maybe she is all in for that. But I would be mortified if I was all dressed up for a wonderful moment that was pretty much a shoe-in for my DH to be getting an award and then this happened. Number 1, I would be so very angry at him for doing something like this so publicly. Number 2, if I was offended by the remark I would be the one saying something. I am not a meek, silent southern belle. My mouth gets me in trouble more than not.
The other thing that sticks out to me is Will's IG. Before the Oscars he posted a photo that he and Jada woke up and "dressed for chaos". Which, most likely, was just a tongue in cheek "dang we look good" post but it NOW tends to look like there were chips on both of their shoulders before the night even started.
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Post by kimi on Mar 28, 2022 14:54:20 GMT
Sure, Chris Rock’s joke about Jada was in poor taste since she has alopecia. But Jada is a beautiful woman, looks great bald, and doesn’t seem to mind ‘going bald’. (You know she can afford the best wigs money can buy if she didn’t want to ‘go bald’.) Will went too far ‘defending’ her. No excuse for assault, especially on live TV.
Was anyone else bothered by the singing and dancing during the "In Memoriam" segment? I thought it was too distracting and out of place. IMO, disrespectful.
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Post by pinklady on Mar 28, 2022 14:56:47 GMT
Here’s an interesting twist I didn’t see coming. Long thread but interesting.
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Post by ~summer~ on Mar 28, 2022 14:58:28 GMT
That unedited video is difficult to watch - my main takeaways was Will was out of control and creepy. And I also absolutely do not want a man (or anyone) sticking up for me - that really really bothers me. I can stick up for myself. If I was that pissed I could stand up and yell at him, or get up and leave the venue.
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Post by peabay on Mar 28, 2022 15:17:57 GMT
That unedited video is difficult to watch - my main takeaways was Will was out of control and creepy. And I also absolutely do not want a man (or anyone) sticking up for me - that really really bothers me. I can stick up for myself. If I was that pissed I could stand up and yell at him, or get up and leave the venue. I agree with you. I know there are funny memes and lots of jokes about it, but I found the whole thing really upsetting and had trouble falling asleep last night.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Mar 28, 2022 15:20:43 GMT
I'm super surprised that this isn't been addressed on the AM shows? Isn't Will doing interviews about winning? and the intervierers are just ignoring what happened? or what? Or Chris or Jada talking about it???
This is going to start a standard. There have been a LOT of nasty jokes before at award ceremonies. A lot. So now it's ok for someone that is hurt to get up and hit the speaker? The academy basically said it was, by not doing anything....
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 28, 2022 15:20:56 GMT
Here’s an interesting twist I didn’t see coming. Long thread but interesting. so Chris Rock is also a Scientologist? If this 'way' of behaving is a Scientology thing, shouldn't it only be used between fellow followers?
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Post by cme37 on Mar 28, 2022 15:21:53 GMT
That unedited video is difficult to watch - my main takeaways was Will was out of control and creepy. And I also absolutely do not want a man (or anyone) sticking up for me - that really really bothers me. I can stick up for myself. If I was that pissed I could stand up and yell at him, or get up and leave the venue. It was very uncomfortable. I couldn't stop thinking about it. And Jada is not a shrinking violet. She can stand up for herself, so the whole thing is really strange. I felt bad for Questlove. His win was so overshadowed by what just happened. Will Smith sucked the joy out of the room.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 28, 2022 15:23:36 GMT
I do think it’s interesting that, unlike here, the posts, polls, tweets, and articles I’ve seen everywhere else seem to be overwhelmingly Team Will. Really? I have only read comments on posts from news stations, but what I saw was overwhelmingly that people were disgusted with Will and lost respect for him.
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Post by DEX on Mar 28, 2022 15:34:37 GMT
I am just sick and tired of American (I can only speak for here) society where people think that anytime someone disrespects them or their family, gets drunk, or refuses to follow the law, that it is now SOP for them to resort to violence. Don't want to wear a mask? Hit the flight attendant. Don't like how loud your neighbor's music is? Shoot them. Don't like a joke made about your wife? Rush on stage and slap the host. Chris Rock was lame for making the joke. Will Smith is a man who lacks self control and shown himself to be a bully. Violence is never the answer unless it is for personal protection. It makes me so angry that now person-to-person violence is seen as an acceptable means of problem solving.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 15:40:41 GMT
I do think it’s interesting that, unlike here, the posts, polls, tweets, and articles I’ve seen everywhere else seem to be overwhelmingly Team Will. Really? I have only read comments on posts from news stations, but what I saw was overwhelmingly that people were disgusted with Will and lost respect for him. I'm seeing a lot of "fake" and "staged" claims. Some even compared it to Jussie. Most of them seem to be white people.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 28, 2022 15:49:06 GMT
Really? I have only read comments on posts from news stations, but what I saw was overwhelmingly that people were disgusted with Will and lost respect for him. I'm seeing a lot of "fake" and "staged" claims. Some even compared it to Jussie. Most of them seem to be white people. I saw a little of that but I assume those people haven’t watched the full video. When you just see a short clip of Will slapping Chris and Immediately after, it is hard to know if it is real. It seemed that the people in the audience were confused as well based on the expressions of the people close to Will, as well as the cheering or laughing from the audience.
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Post by dawnnikol on Mar 28, 2022 15:51:34 GMT
I for one am done fawning over celebrities. That will be the last award show I even attempt to watch. Over it. I was never a fan girl, but I could watch these sorts of shows to see the outfits, etc. However, I'm going to sit on the bench that they should just do away with the whole thing. The swag bag is worth almost $140K for this thing. EACH FREAKING BAG. Just scrap the whole damn thing. I'm so tired of all this drama. I am just sick and tired of American (I can only speak for here) society where people think that anytime someone disrespects them or their family, gets drunk, or refuses to follow the law, that it is now SOP for them to resort to violence. Don't want to wear a mask? Hit the flight attendant. Don't like how loud your neighbor's music is? Shoot them. Don't like a joke made about your wife? Rush on stage and slap the host. Exactly. But, the other thing? There's only consequences for some people. If I was at a meeting and slapped the person who said something stupid, I'd be arrested. I think everyone in that situation was wrong and until there's consequences, we're all screwed.
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Post by lizacreates on Mar 28, 2022 16:04:29 GMT
Profoundly disagree. We can shut up and yield the floor sometimes. Naw, there are plenty of floors. This one we all share. Yes. Chris wasn’t joking about nappy hair or weaves. He was joking about a specific woman’s baldness. I agree it was crass, but it has nothing to do with blackness. He’d probably use the same joke if Jada was white. As to Will’s reaction, IMO, it was uncalled for. Seriously, he and his wife had never been insulted before? It’s freakin’ Hollywood. How would they have survived if they didn’t have thick skin? Sheesh, Will and Jada have publicly written and spoken about the very intimate details of their sex lives to a cringe-worthy degree that one wishes they’d just shut up already. He was initially chuckling at Chris’ joke! “Sometimes sh!t happens.” No. If sh!t happens, one needs to be a civilized human being and deal with it in a civilized manner, not with aggression and violence. His cleansing the act of violence against Chris as his love for Jada writ large is simply perverse. Overprivileged Hollywood celebs who can’t muster the discipline to behave themselves properly in a venue such as a public awards show should just stay the hell home. This sucked all the joy out of a year when there were many acknowledged achievements by the commonly ignored in the film industry.
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Post by shessoaverage on Mar 28, 2022 16:20:27 GMT
I keep thinking about the old days when they had those "celebrity roast" TV shows. Some of the insults they threw were pretty bad. Nowadays, the roastee would probably be pulling out a gun.
I saw a bunch of responses to this on Twitter saying, "If someone insulted your wife, wouldn't you defend her?" That sounds pretty close to dueling, which, to me, is the stupidest thing ever. Both of the Smiths are gorgeous and wealthy. Average-looking people who are not wealthy get insulted all the time, get used to it by the time they're adults, and don't feel compelled to rumble in public.
It's a weird world nowadays.
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