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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 28, 2022 16:23:52 GMT
On another note, I don't watch many movies. I want to watch Koda (Coda? I've seen it spelled both ways) but what others are available for streaming?
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Post by oh yvonne on Mar 28, 2022 16:25:01 GMT
I'm super surprised that this isn't been addressed on the AM shows? Isn't Will doing interviews about winning? and the intervierers are just ignoring what happened? or what? Or Chris or Jada talking about it??? This is going to start a standard. There have been a LOT of nasty jokes before at award ceremonies. A lot. So now it's ok for someone that is hurt to get up and hit the speaker? The academy basically said it was, by not doing anything.... yep, and I find it especially troubling since the back pedaling the Academy did after "Me Too". I thought they were going to expect a higher level of conduct from the Academy members? They made a whole statement about it and everything. And yet, they didn't usher Will off the stage, they did nothing. Hardly anything mentioned on Kelly show either. I'm curious to see what Joy says on The View, she's a comedian and is always speaking up that they are being silenced. Should be interesting. |
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Post by littlemama on Mar 28, 2022 16:30:54 GMT
While I agree that violence is wrong and it should not have happened no matter what, since when is it ok to make fun of someone's medical condition? Again...what proof do you have that he knew it was medical condition and not a style choice? Do you really think every person in Hollywood knows about one woman's hair loss? I pay ZERO attention to celebrities and I knew. I find it hard to believe that he didnt. If he didnt, then the lesson for everyone is to STOP COMMENTING ON OTHER PEOPLE'S APPEARANCE. |
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Post by mnmloveli on Mar 28, 2022 16:33:18 GMT
I'm super surprised that this isn't been addressed on the AM shows? Isn't Will doing interviews about winning? and the intervierers are just ignoring what happened? or what? Or Chris or Jada talking about it??? This is going to start a standard. There have been a LOT of nasty jokes before at award ceremonies. A lot. So now it's ok for someone that is hurt to get up and hit the speaker? The academy basically said it was, by not doing anything.... yep, and I find it especially troubling since the back pedaling the Academy did after "Me Too". I thought they were going to expect a higher level of conduct from the Academy members? They made a whole statement about it and everything. And yet, they didn't usher Will off the stage, they did nothing. Hardly anything mentioned on Kelly show either. I'm curious to see what Joy says on The View, she's a comedian and is always speaking up that they are being silenced. Should be interesting. I happened to catch The Today show this morning. “Over on NBC’s Today, co-host Craig Melvin called the incident “really disappointing.” “If you’re rearing a boy, especially in this country,” Melvin said, “you spend so much time talking to our kid about keeping your hands to yourself, controlling your emotions. And then there’s also this long-held perception in this country that men of color, especially, can’t control their rage and their anger and to see someone who’s been that beloved for decades, it was troubling on so many levels.” Here’s the link. deadline.com/2022/03/gma-good-morning-america-oscars-slap-no-excuse-for-violence-will-smith-chris-rock-1234989115/ |
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Post by peabay on Mar 28, 2022 16:36:09 GMT
On another note, I don't watch many movies. I want to watch Koda (Coda? I've seen it spelled both ways) but what others are available for streaming? It's CODA, which stands for "child of deaf adults." |
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Post by bossymom on Mar 28, 2022 16:40:16 GMT
Even more of a reason to end these stupid award shows.
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Post by melanell on Mar 28, 2022 17:10:06 GMT
I didn't watch the Oscars. I never do. I only saw & heard about this when I woke up today. But I just thought the whole thing was sad. In many ways.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 28, 2022 17:13:31 GMT
I pay ZERO attention to celebrities and I knew. I find it hard to believe that he didnt. If he didnt, then the lesson for everyone is to STOP COMMENTING ON OTHER PEOPLE'S APPEARANCE I knew all about her having sex with her son's vulnerable friend who lived with them when he had mental health issues...but I never knew about her hair until today's Oscars. So just because you knew doesn't mean anything in terms of how many other people knew. I completely disagree with "don't comment on appearance" when it comes to comedy. That's just more woke nonsense. I've been to plenty of Drag shows and insult comedy is known as "reading" in those circles...and it's fun and funny. The comedian picks you out and you become part of the performance and not one part of it is a personal attack. I've been pulled up on stage and you go along with it and you go with the flow and have a laugh. If average people in comedy shows all over the world can participate in this sort of humour and laugh at themselves and each other then Will Smith with his multimillion dollar paychecks and his privileged life should be able to as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 17:18:33 GMT
I pay ZERO attention to celebrities and I knew. I find it hard to believe that he didnt. If he didnt, then the lesson for everyone is to STOP COMMENTING ON OTHER PEOPLE'S APPEARANCE I knew all about her having sex with her son's vulnerable friend who lived with them when he had mental health issues... but I never knew about her hair until today's Oscars. So just because you knew doesn't mean anything in terms of how many other people knew.I completely disagree with "don't comment on appearance" when it comes to comedy. That's just more woke nonsense. I've been to plenty of Drag shows and insult comedy is known as "reading" in those circles...and it's fun and funny. The comedian picks you out and you become part of the performance and not one part of it is a personal attack. I've been pulled up on stage and you go along with it and you go with the flow and have a laugh. If average people in comedy shows all over the world can participate in this sort of humour and laugh at themselves and each other then Will Smith with his multimillion dollar paychecks and his privileged life should be able to as well. My dd and I are part of the Alopecia community and neither of us knew Jada has alopecia. And my dd is up on celebrity news, I don't keep up with that. So as people living with it, we had no idea. That isn't a valid reason/excuse - well he should have known. Because a lot of people didn't. |
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Post by littlemama on Mar 28, 2022 17:20:36 GMT
I pay ZERO attention to celebrities and I knew. I find it hard to believe that he didnt. If he didnt, then the lesson for everyone is to STOP COMMENTING ON OTHER PEOPLE'S APPEARANCE I knew all about her having sex with her son's vulnerable friend who lived with them when he had mental health issues...but I never knew about her hair until today's Oscars. So just because you knew doesn't mean anything in terms of how many other people knew. I completely disagree with "don't comment on appearance" when it comes to comedy. That's just more woke nonsense. I've been to plenty of Drag shows and insult comedy is known as "reading" in those circles...and it's fun and funny. The comedian picks you out and you become part of the performance and not one part of it is a personal attack. I've been pulled up on stage and you go along with it and you go with the flow and have a laugh. If average people in comedy shows all over the world can participate in this sort of humour and laugh at themselves and each other then Will Smith with his multimillion dollar paychecks and his privileged life should be able to as well. The difference is in AGREEING to participate in a "comedy" show vs being blindsided by some dickhead commenting on your appearance, whether related to a health condition or not. |
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Post by TXMary on Mar 28, 2022 17:20:51 GMT
Sure, Chris Rock’s joke about Jada was in poor taste since she has alopecia. But Jada is a beautiful woman, looks great bald, and doesn’t seem to mind ‘going bald’. (You know she can afford the best wigs money can buy if she didn’t want to ‘go bald’.) Will went too far ‘defending’ her. No excuse for assault, especially on live TV.
Was anyone else bothered by the singing and dancing during the "In Memoriam" segment? I thought it was too distracting and out of place. IMO, disrespectful.YES! |
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Post by littlemama on Mar 28, 2022 17:21:45 GMT
I knew all about her having sex with her son's vulnerable friend who lived with them when he had mental health issues... but I never knew about her hair until today's Oscars. So just because you knew doesn't mean anything in terms of how many other people knew.I completely disagree with "don't comment on appearance" when it comes to comedy. That's just more woke nonsense. I've been to plenty of Drag shows and insult comedy is known as "reading" in those circles...and it's fun and funny. The comedian picks you out and you become part of the performance and not one part of it is a personal attack. I've been pulled up on stage and you go along with it and you go with the flow and have a laugh. If average people in comedy shows all over the world can participate in this sort of humour and laugh at themselves and each other then Will Smith with his multimillion dollar paychecks and his privileged life should be able to as well. My dd and I are part of the Alopecia community and neither of us knew Jada has alopecia. And my dd is up on celebrity news, I don't keep up with that. So as people living with it, we had no idea. That isn't a valid reason/excuse - well he should have known. Because a lot of people didn't. Hence the second and more important part of my comment. "Stop commenting on other people's appearance." |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2022 17:34:51 GMT
It seems to be a Hollywood tradition that some two bit comedian stands a stage at some event and takes cheap shots at audience members for cheap laughs. In most cases the victim had no idea they were the chosen one to be made fun of.
How quick Will Smith reacted to what Chris Rock said about Jada Pinkette Smith’s appearance makes me think that was a sensitive subject for her.
Should Will Smith have slapped Chris Rock? No.
But at the same time if comedians feels the only way he/she can be funny is at the expense of others then maybe he/she isn’t really that funny and should look for another line of work.
To Kathy Griffin, if you feel the only way to be funny is at someone else’s expense, find a new occupation.
To George Takei it doesn’t set a good example for comedians to ridicule members of the audience either. Especially about their appearance.
This has been going for so long it’s amazing this hasn’t happened before.
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Post by littlemama on Mar 28, 2022 17:38:42 GMT
It seems to be a Hollywood tradition that some two bit comedian stands a stage at some event and takes cheap shots at audience members for cheap laughs. In most cases the victim had no idea they were the chosen one to be made fun of. How quick Will Smith reacted to what Chris Rock said about Jada Pinkette Smith’s appearance makes me think that was a sensitive subject for her. Should Will Smith have slapped Chris Rock? No. But at the same time if comedians feels the only way he/she can be funny is at the expense of others then maybe he/she isn’t really that funny and should look for another line of work. To Kathy Griffin, if you feel the only way to be funny is at someone else’s expense, find a new occupation. To George Takei it doesn’t set a good example for comedians to ridicule members of the audience either. Especially about their appearance. This has been going for so long it’s amazing this hasn’t happened before. Should Chris Rock have bullied Jada Pinkett-Smith? No. That is the more important question. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2022 17:42:48 GMT
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Post by pjaye on Mar 28, 2022 17:46:45 GMT
The difference is in AGREEING to participate in a "comedy" show vs being blindsided by some dickhead commenting on your appearance, whether related to a health condition or not. You go to the Oscars or the GG etc and you know there's a host and you know people will be mentioned by name and used in a joke of some sort...you just don't know who. There is zero difference between that and going to a comedy show. No-one is being blindsided by anyone in either situation. EVERYONE knows the deal at the Oscars. Stop making up bullshit . |
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Post by twinks on Mar 28, 2022 17:48:07 GMT
I believe violence is never the answer. I did watch the unedited clip. What struck me was Jada’s expression after the joke. There was some laughter (not on her part) but there was a look of “I can’t believe someone would say that about me” and a sincere look of hurt at WS. I am not excusing his behavior, but perhaps WS was reacting (notice the word) to his wife’s expression. To me, it was a unnecessary, crass and mean “joke” and it was definitely an overreacting, unnecessary, and violent act.
All that said, I would hope that others would not judge me on my worst day. I am trying not to judge them on theirs.
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Post by finaledition on Mar 28, 2022 17:52:37 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2022 17:52:54 GMT
IF Rock knew about the alopecia, he was over the line. (I didn't know...)
(ETA: Now I am second guessing myself... Maybe his thought was she can go out and 'kick butt' in any condition)
If he did not, referring to her doing 'GI Jane', I would consider it a compliment. You have to really fit to do that kind of movie.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 28, 2022 17:57:19 GMT
It seems to be a Hollywood tradition that some two bit comedian stands a stage at some event and takes cheap shots at audience members for cheap laughs/quote] Steve Martin Whoopi Goldberg Billy Crystal Robin Williams Dudley Moore Carol Burnett Chris Rock Ellen DeGeneres You may not like them...but the term "two bit comedian" does not apply...that's just a fact |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2022 17:59:13 GMT
Didn't Jimmy Kimmel host one year.
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Post by pinklady on Mar 28, 2022 17:59:15 GMT
Should Chris Rock have bullied Jada Pinkett-Smith? No. That is the more important question. FFS I am so sick of everything being called bullying! Some people need to learn the definition of what bullying actually is. It’s thrown around so much it’s pretty much a meaningless word. |
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Post by pjaye on Mar 28, 2022 18:10:45 GMT
all the hosts and presenters do is bully people. Yes...those poor vulnerable celebrities, how ever do they cope? Imagine all the harm they suffer from having to laugh at themselves. |
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Post by katieanna on Mar 28, 2022 18:12:19 GMT
Sometimes when I see things like this, I wonder if Hollywood isn't slowly imploding and it doesn't realize it.
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 28, 2022 18:17:14 GMT
One can “defend” a family member against hurtful words with words. Full stop. Jada and or Will have enormous platforms they could have used to demand an apology and even educate if they were so inclined. Rushing the stage to hit someone isn’t ok unless someone’s life is in imminent danger. Justifying it out of love or being provoked by words? Not ok at all but condoned by the Academy and a large audyy it once apparently.
Curiously the “worst dressed” Jada in the camo green dress I could swear I saw earlier last night is not to be found online now.
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Post by peasapie on Mar 28, 2022 18:24:22 GMT
Again...what proof do you have that he knew it was medical condition and not a style choice? Do you really think every person in Hollywood knows about one woman's hair loss? I pay ZERO attention to celebrities and I knew. I find it hard to believe that he didnt. If he didnt, then the lesson for everyone is to STOP COMMENTING ON OTHER PEOPLE'S APPEARANCE. I didn’t know. And it doesn’t matter. You don’t punch people for saying things you don’t like. How many times did I tell kids this in my classroom days… |
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Post by uksue on Mar 28, 2022 18:44:37 GMT
What’s shocked me most on different groups I’m on is the comment ‘ that’s what a real man does to defend his family’.
When I first saw it I thought it was a staged joke- the angle I saw it from it didn’t look as though his hand had engaged at all. Plus he laughed initially.
Then I heard the foul language however…
I think he’s let himself down . Doesn’t justify the trend that it’s ok to say whatever you like , but I think the comment made towards the couple at another ceremony by Rebel Wilson about Will’s best performance him being him ok with all his wife’s boyfriends was more provoking .
I do agree they both have huge platforms they could have used more effectively to get a message out about this.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 28, 2022 19:18:42 GMT
IF Rock knew about the alopecia, he was over the line. (I didn't know...) (ETA: Now I am second guessing myself... Maybe his thought was she can go out and 'kick butt' in any condition) If he did not, referring to her doing 'GI Jane', I would consider it a compliment. You have to really fit to do that kind of movie. Yeah, I don’t know that the GI Jane comment was meant to be an insult in the first place. I could see how some may take it that way, and some may not. |
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 28, 2022 19:49:25 GMT
Again...what proof do you have that he knew it was medical condition and not a style choice? Do you really think every person in Hollywood knows about one woman's hair loss? I pay ZERO attention to celebrities and I knew. I find it hard to believe that he didnt. If he didnt, then the lesson for everyone is to STOP COMMENTING ON OTHER PEOPLE'S APPEARANCE. I had no idea and I sorta watch celebrity news.. I never thought once about it.. guess I figured she liked short to no hair.. was never a blimp on my screen. |
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Post by Zee on Mar 28, 2022 20:00:50 GMT
This type of toxic masculinity is really off-putting to me. I don't need my husband to smack a comedian to defend my honor, and neither does Jada. It also doesn't really jive with the concept of a man who is Ok with his wife sleeping with other men, so I'm not really sure what to think. I'd personally be so embarrassed if I was her. It wasn't some over-the-top disgusting comment guaranteed to provoke a violent response, now was it?
Who knew she has alopecia? It looks to me like she still has hair all over her scalp, so I just thought short hair was her preference.
He looked very very angry, but he's an actor, so who knows. It felt a bit fake to me, I'm unsure what to think.
But I've been a Chris Rock fan for decades and I'd like to slap Will Smith right now. You know, to defend Chris's honor. (See how dumb that sounds)
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