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Post by oh yvonne on Mar 28, 2022 20:15:12 GMT
Another thought, did anyone who actually watched the show catch Diane Warren not clap at all for Billie Eilish's win? I thought that looked pretty ungracious of her, especially since she was sitting one table over from Billie and was in the camera shot.
I wondered why she was so salty because my God she's been around forever and surely has a bunch of Oscars already. Then I Googled her and this was her 13th nomination and she's never won!
Woah. I mean, she's such a huge hitmaker I was surprised. I thought for sure she'd won that Officer and a Gentleman theme even though personally I always found it corny.
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Post by Elsabelle on Mar 28, 2022 20:34:46 GMT
The slap was so bizarre. This is the same guy who went on Jada’s round table to discuss her “entanglement with August” and cried about it for the whole world to see. But don’t talk about her bald head publicly! What? Did he try to slap August? I think he did it when and where he did it because he knew Chris wasn’t in a position to clap him back. And the walking away like Conor MCGregor. SMH
I just can’t believe he could slap a man in public and then win an award, cry, make himself out to be the victim, and receive a standing ovation right after. Hollywood is Bizarro World. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s hospitalized with “exhaustion” soon.
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Post by scrapcat on Mar 28, 2022 20:36:51 GMT
Not agreeing or disagreeing with this article posted below, but there's been so much talk about this around Philly. I don't agree with violence or solving problems that way. I did recently read a tidbit about jada's battle with alopecia and how she was struggling with it. I think I probably saw it in my feed due to reading things about hair/hair loss/chemo/etc (you know how the algorithm goes) so I did think the joke was in poor taste. In most cases I like Chris Rock and Will Smith, think they are both talented at what they do, enjoy the things they put out. Also, I don't put a lot of faith in celebrities to be role models, they have huge egos...partly why they are successful in fame. www.phillymag.com/news/2022/03/28/will-smith-west-philly-chris-rock/Also the juxtaposition of the incident being followed by Questlove's award, another Philly native. He was so emotional, I hope that was not lost on watchers. I feel like it just feeds into the "world's gone crazy" feeling of everything lately. I was happy Coda won, I really enjoyed it, esp the music/singing. I also am in the camp that I think Andrew Garfield was more deserving of best actor bcz Jonathan Larson. I didn't realize he actually learned piano, singing, etc for the role. |
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Post by papersilly on Mar 28, 2022 20:57:15 GMT
But I've been a Chris Rock fan for decades and I'd like to slap Will Smith right now. You know, to defend Chris's honor. (See how dumb that sounds) yeah, i'm going to have to go #teamchris on this one. i've like will smith for a long time but i think this turned me off from him for good. i'll admit, he's a good crier and i almost believed his speech. almost. but nah, buh-bye will. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 28, 2022 21:02:15 GMT
So no more comedy, or comedians? Some comedic bits just aren’t funny. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 28, 2022 21:05:12 GMT
I’m not sure how you got that out of her comments. She was obviously speaking about the disrespect men show women, the part you didn’t include in your quoted post…not stopping comedy in general. I’m certain comedians are capable of being funny and respectful to women. Many comedians are disrespectful to people In general, not just women. I personally don’t find a lot of what they say to be funny and don’t like that kind of humor, but I don’t see this as being sexist or gender specific. If this type of humor bothers you when women are the butt of the jokes, it should bother you when men are as well. GI Jane? How is that NOT gender specific?? Try not to cloud the issue—Chris Rock wasn’t talking about men, or a specific man—he singled out ONE WOMAN who wasn’t in on the joke, to embarrass, poke fun of, and disrespect. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 28, 2022 21:13:24 GMT
If WS just ignored the comment, no one would have remembered it. WS could have gone to Chris Rock and talked it out.. Chris Rock is known for his 'comedy'.. I'm sure hardly anyone would have remembered it like it was presented and moved on. I am not defending either one. But WS should have stood by his "all loving God stance" and talked to him. CR could have made a public apology or personal one right to Jada. I for one am done fawning over celebrities. That will be the last award show I even attempt to watch. Over it. This, in part, is exactly why I posted what I did upthread. When is it enough? Women are being verbally assaulted, disparaged, disregarded, denigrated, and talked down to everyday. If not now, when? (And just to be clear, I’m not advocating violence, I can agree that WS slapping him was wrong, and say that Chris rock us a complete asshole) |
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Post by littlemama on Mar 28, 2022 21:16:52 GMT
I pay ZERO attention to celebrities and I knew. I find it hard to believe that he didnt. If he didnt, then the lesson for everyone is to STOP COMMENTING ON OTHER PEOPLE'S APPEARANCE. I didn’t know. And it doesn’t matter. You don’t punch people for saying things you don’t like. How many times did I tell kids this in my classroom days… I dont "approve" of the slapping. I can see where one might be driven to do that though. Will Smith is not the only guilty party here |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 28, 2022 21:18:28 GMT
Here's a side to think about - Jada's side. I, for one, don't need defending by "my man". Which, to be honest, I can't stand that phrase "my man". He is my husband. For better and for worse. But do you think anyone has gone up to Jada to see what her opinion is? IDK, maybe she is all in for that. But I would be mortified if I was all dressed up for a wonderful moment that was pretty much a shoe-in for my DH to be getting an award and then this happened. Number 1, I would be so very angry at him for doing something like this so publicly. Number 2, if I was offended by the remark I would be the one saying something. I am not a meek, silent southern belle. My mouth gets me in trouble more than not. The other thing that sticks out to me is Will's IG. Before the Oscars he posted a photo that he and Jada woke up and "dressed for chaos". Which, most likely, was just a tongue in cheek "dang we look good" post but it NOW tends to look like there were chips on both of their shoulders before the night even started. Did you see her face when Chris Rock was making fun of her? She didn’t think it was funny. Personally, I’d hope to the moon and back— if someone was verbally making fun of me (anywhere let alone broadcast on a large telecasted stage) that my hubby would speak up. |
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Post by cindosha on Mar 28, 2022 21:29:28 GMT
I didn’t know. And it doesn’t matter. You don’t punch people for saying things you don’t like. How many times did I tell kids this in my classroom days… I dont "approve" of the slapping. I can see where one might be driven to do that though. Will Smith is not the only guilty party here Will smith is the only one who slugged Chris rock though…who else is guilty in this??? |
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Post by naby64 on Mar 28, 2022 21:39:05 GMT
Here's a side to think about - Jada's side. I, for one, don't need defending by "my man". Which, to be honest, I can't stand that phrase "my man". He is my husband. For better and for worse. But do you think anyone has gone up to Jada to see what her opinion is? IDK, maybe she is all in for that. But I would be mortified if I was all dressed up for a wonderful moment that was pretty much a shoe-in for my DH to be getting an award and then this happened. Number 1, I would be so very angry at him for doing something like this so publicly. Number 2, if I was offended by the remark I would be the one saying something. I am not a meek, silent southern belle. My mouth gets me in trouble more than not. The other thing that sticks out to me is Will's IG. Before the Oscars he posted a photo that he and Jada woke up and "dressed for chaos". Which, most likely, was just a tongue in cheek "dang we look good" post but it NOW tends to look like there were chips on both of their shoulders before the night even started. Did you see her face when Chris Rock was making fun of her? She didn’t think it was funny. Personally, I’d hope to the moon and back— if someone was verbally making fun of me (anywhere let alone broadcast on a large telecasted stage) that my hubby would speak up. Yes I did. It was smokin' mad. However, I would still not want my husband to do or say anything publicly. The Smiths have enough money and power if they wanted to really do something, they could work behind the scenes to blackball CR. There was absolutely no need for any physical violence. OR they could wait until after the show and then Will could lay into Chris or Jada for that matter. I am pretty sure either one of them would be capable of giving Chris the tongue lashing he deserved. |
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Post by snow4197 on Mar 28, 2022 21:40:07 GMT
I do not think hitting someone solves anything and thought the reaction was inappropriate. But I can’t stop thinking, how can he be upset about a joke made about his wife when they have publicly admitted to a non-monogamous relationship? It’s like saying you can sleep with my wife but you can’t talk about her.
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Post by cindosha on Mar 28, 2022 21:41:57 GMT
Here's a side to think about - Jada's side. I, for one, don't need defending by "my man". Which, to be honest, I can't stand that phrase "my man". He is my husband. For better and for worse. But do you think anyone has gone up to Jada to see what her opinion is? IDK, maybe she is all in for that. But I would be mortified if I was all dressed up for a wonderful moment that was pretty much a shoe-in for my DH to be getting an award and then this happened. Number 1, I would be so very angry at him for doing something like this so publicly. Number 2, if I was offended by the remark I would be the one saying something. I am not a meek, silent southern belle. My mouth gets me in trouble more than not. The other thing that sticks out to me is Will's IG. Before the Oscars he posted a photo that he and Jada woke up and "dressed for chaos". Which, most likely, was just a tongue in cheek "dang we look good" post but it NOW tends to look like there were chips on both of their shoulders before the night even started. Did you see her face when Chris Rock was making fun of her? She didn’t think it was funny. Personally, I’d hope to the moon and back— if someone was verbally making fun of me (anywhere let alone broadcast on a large telecasted stage) that my hubby would speak up. Celebrities are fair game for comedians. Saturday Night Live makes fun of celebrities, daytime talk show hosts, nighttime talk show hosts all make fun of celebrities. That’s what comedians do! I’m tired of celebrities, sports figures and any other famous people turning into whiny little babies. They all want their glory and people fawning all over them all of the time. I am so over Hollywood. Will smith needs to grow a thicker skin. They ALL do!!! |
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Post by pinklady on Mar 28, 2022 21:46:30 GMT
Here's a side to think about - Jada's side. I, for one, don't need defending by "my man". Which, to be honest, I can't stand that phrase "my man". He is my husband. For better and for worse. But do you think anyone has gone up to Jada to see what her opinion is? IDK, maybe she is all in for that. But I would be mortified if I was all dressed up for a wonderful moment that was pretty much a shoe-in for my DH to be getting an award and then this happened. Number 1, I would be so very angry at him for doing something like this so publicly. Number 2, if I was offended by the remark I would be the one saying something. I am not a meek, silent southern belle. My mouth gets me in trouble more than not. The other thing that sticks out to me is Will's IG. Before the Oscars he posted a photo that he and Jada woke up and "dressed for chaos". Which, most likely, was just a tongue in cheek "dang we look good" post but it NOW tends to look like there were chips on both of their shoulders before the night even started. Did you see her face when Chris Rock was making fun of her? She didn’t think it was funny. Personally, I’d hope to the moon and back— if someone was verbally making fun of me (anywhere let alone broadcast on a large telecasted stage) that my hubby would speak up. Speak up, yes I’d have no problem with that. Assault, absolutely not. |
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Post by Zee on Mar 28, 2022 21:50:21 GMT
Here's a side to think about - Jada's side. I, for one, don't need defending by "my man". Which, to be honest, I can't stand that phrase "my man". He is my husband. For better and for worse. But do you think anyone has gone up to Jada to see what her opinion is? IDK, maybe she is all in for that. But I would be mortified if I was all dressed up for a wonderful moment that was pretty much a shoe-in for my DH to be getting an award and then this happened. Number 1, I would be so very angry at him for doing something like this so publicly. Number 2, if I was offended by the remark I would be the one saying something. I am not a meek, silent southern belle. My mouth gets me in trouble more than not. The other thing that sticks out to me is Will's IG. Before the Oscars he posted a photo that he and Jada woke up and "dressed for chaos". Which, most likely, was just a tongue in cheek "dang we look good" post but it NOW tends to look like there were chips on both of their shoulders before the night even started. Did you see her face when Chris Rock was making fun of her? She didn’t think it was funny. Personally, I’d hope to the moon and back— if someone was verbally making fun of me (anywhere let alone broadcast on a large telecasted stage) that my hubby would speak up. Why on earth would you need your husband to do that for you? How embarrassing. We want to be seen as strong and equal but then we want "our man" to tell off the other bad man who made a silly joke. That's weak as shit. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 28, 2022 21:56:19 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 28, 2022 22:01:02 GMT
Many comedians are disrespectful to people In general, not just women. I personally don’t find a lot of what they say to be funny and don’t like that kind of humor, but I don’t see this as being sexist or gender specific. If this type of humor bothers you when women are the butt of the jokes, it should bother you when men are as well. GI Jane? How is that NOT gender specific?? Try not to cloud the issue—Chris Rock wasn’t talking about men, or a specific man—he singled out ONE WOMAN who wasn’t in on the joke, to embarrass, poke fun of, and disrespect. As I said earlier, comedians make fun of people of both genders all of the time. That is what they do. Why is it ok for them to do that to men but if they mention a woman it is misogynistic aggression and abuse? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 28, 2022 22:07:35 GMT
Did you see her face when Chris Rock was making fun of her? She didn’t think it was funny. Personally, I’d hope to the moon and back— if someone was verbally making fun of me (anywhere let alone broadcast on a large telecasted stage) that my hubby would speak up. Why on earth would you need your husband to do that for you? How embarrassing. We want to be seen as strong and equal but then we want "our man" to tell off the other bad man who made a silly joke. That's weak as shit. Nope. Not embarrassing at all. I’m strong. I’m verbal. I can speak up for myself. In our marriage we are equals. Just because I’d hope my husband would speak up, doesn’t mean that I would move aside and that he’d diminish me (that’s the last thing he’d do). It means that as a team, a married couple that he’s got my back, that he respects me, and he’s an example of which our children would see to call out those who are disrespectful. If one of my husbands male friends, relatives, coworkers etc., disrespected me, made fun of me, how would that go if I stood alone in calling them out? I’d be accused of being dramatic, too sensitive, and after thought “it was just a joke” man talk sense into your woman…Or worse—“dude, your wife was crazy…” what position does that put him in later? Again, I’m solely addressing ONLY how men disparage, degenerate women—when is it too far, going to stop—we ask men to support “me too” yet they should stand down while their wife is being targeted? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 28, 2022 22:13:09 GMT
GI Jane? How is that NOT gender specific?? Try not to cloud the issue—Chris Rock wasn’t talking about men, or a specific man—he singled out ONE WOMAN who wasn’t in on the joke, to embarrass, poke fun of, and disrespect. As I said earlier, comedians make fun of people of both genders all of the time. That is what they do. Why is it ok for them to do that to men but if they mention a woman it is misogynistic aggression and abuse? I never said it was okay for men either. I’ve been speaking about how men continue, with seemingly little consequences, to degenerate women. It’s happening everywhere (I don’t want this thread to go all politics so I’ll only mention another woman, Ketanji Brown as another example) and I think it needs to stop. If this crap continues, we will continue to be diminished. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 28, 2022 22:19:41 GMT
The joke was in poor taste, but Smith’s behavior was over the top Drama Queen.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Mar 28, 2022 22:20:40 GMT
I'm not a fan of comedians making fun of how people look. They can be funny without that. Though I do agree that as celebrities they should be used to it, and know it's going to come, without resorting to violence. How is that any better? I found the jokes about their marriage, and Regina Hall's jokes about Will going up there worse. Yes, they have an open marriage apparently, and they are very very outspoken in what they believe, the whole red table of Jada's. I found it very surprising that she has not said anything, nor Chris Rock.
and I find the academy just announcing late this afternoon that they are looking in to things VERY late, and forced.
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Post by Laurie on Mar 28, 2022 22:44:40 GMT
“I got into one little fight and my mom got scared. She said you’re moving with her auntie and uncle in Bel-Air ” 😂 I kid, I kid.
What is confusing to me is that in watching the replay Will was laughing. Did he look over at Jada and see she was pissed? How did he go from laughing to smacking and dropping the f bomb?
I guarantee if this was Kanye instead of Will people would have been outraged.
My guilty pleasure is celeb gossip and news. I check TMZ more than once a day. I wasn’t aware of her diagnosis. What I do seem to recall about her is that she has offended some fellow celebrities on her show but doesn’t apologize.
In summary for the official scorecard…prior to last night I didn’t like Chris Rock. I liked Will Smith. After watching I think Will was in the wrong and I like him less now.
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Post by littlemama on Mar 28, 2022 22:48:20 GMT
I dont "approve" of the slapping. I can see where one might be driven to do that though. Will Smith is not the only guilty party here Will smith is the only one who slugged Chris rock though…who else is guilty in this??? The person who made a cruel comment about a person with a disease in public, with millions of people watching. He is also guilty. He didnt hit anyone, but he is am insenstive ass |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Mar 28, 2022 22:53:56 GMT
The difference is in AGREEING to participate in a "comedy" show vs being blindsided by some dickhead commenting on your appearance, whether related to a health condition or not. I think the health-related-or-not part IS important. I listen to some podcasters who do fashion reviews, including red carpet events. Their policy: They don’t criticize things like weight, facial features, body type, hair texture. They DO criticize how all those things are adorned or styled: clothes, accessories, hairstyle, makeup. They think of a “look” as a performance of sorts - with a team of stylists and designers and fancy jewelry loaners - so just as open to criticism as an acting or musical performance. I can see an argument for comedians using the same metric. In this case, the dress and a hairstyle NOT borne of a disease would be fair game. It’s not usually my kind of humor; then again, I swore off awards shows years ago because it’s so damn masturbatory, so a moratorium based on a tantrum within this rarified community seems ironic. I also wouldn’t categorize it as bullying (did I read that earlier?) - and of course it shouldn’t be used to criticize one gender to the extent that it’s unfair and degrading. But comedy that involves ribbing and poking - appearance or otherwise - is pretty entrenched. |
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 28, 2022 23:15:30 GMT
Will smith is the only one who slugged Chris rock though…who else is guilty in this??? The person who made a cruel comment about a person with a disease in public, with millions of people watching. He is also guilty. He didnt hit anyone, but he is am insenstive ass Exactly. Both men are wrong. Period. Chris Rock should not have made the joke. Will Smith should not have hit him or yelled at him from his seat. But both men are in the wrong. |
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Post by Peamac on Mar 28, 2022 23:19:44 GMT
Question from someone who hasn't watched an awards show in years and doesn't follow celebrities-- Was Chris Rock's "joke" about Jada written by someone/part of his script? Or was it an off-the-cuff remark ad-libbed by Chris? Not excusing it either way, just wondering if he came up with it himself or if someone else wrote it. Regardless of how it came about, the "joke" was in poor taste for sure.
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Post by Laurie on Mar 28, 2022 23:41:29 GMT
I see that Will has publicly apologized to Chris. Personally that is enough for me to move on.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2022 23:43:20 GMT
I disagree that it was a joke. Jokes are suppose to be funny and making fun of someone’s appearance is not funny. On any level.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 28, 2022 23:45:20 GMT
“I got into one little fight and my mom got scared. She said you’re moving with her auntie and uncle in Bel-Air ” 😂 I kid, I kid. What is confusing to me is that in watching the replay Will was laughing. Did he look over at Jada and see she was pissed? How did he go from laughing to smacking and dropping the f bomb? I guarantee if this was Kanye instead of Will people would have been outraged. My guilty pleasure is celeb gossip and news. I check TMZ more than once a day. I wasn’t aware of her diagnosis. What I do seem to recall about her is that she has offended some fellow celebrities on her show but doesn’t apologize. In summary for the official scorecard…prior to last night I didn’t like Chris Rock. I liked Will Smith. After watching I think Will was in the wrong and I like him less now. You are my celeb news spirit animal. I could have written your post word for word, right down to the Kanye part! Although I didn't mind Chris Rock - but I did like Will Smith and I just think less of him now. |
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Post by Laurie on Mar 28, 2022 23:52:11 GMT
I first want to state that I can’t stand Howard Stern. I can’t even put into words how much I despise that man. However, his take on this is interesting and something to ponder. Interesting on two fronts. One, the comparison to Trump and two, bad timing when the world is at war. Especially when they offered a moment of silence and Mila gave a speech for Ukraine.
ETA: With all that said I think typically Will is a standup guy and his apology is enough for me. He seemed rather emotional about it (wiping away tears afterwards) and to me that shows a level of remorse. I don’t think this is something that should define him.
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