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Post by pjaye on Apr 20, 2022 14:28:47 GMT
OMG you couldn't make this shit up. He's unhinged. The ghost of his long dead mother has now finished with William & she's moved to the USA with Harry...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 14:35:41 GMT
I get a completely different vibe from him than most of you. I see him as a very protective person coming from intense trauma. Losing his mom at such an early age and in such a horrific way, that changes you dramatically. His actions show me that he does things to protect himself and his family foremost. I don't see any maliciousness with his actions. He's always been very rebellious and I see that with him in regards to the patriarchy. I applaud him for not staying with the royals and living a life where he is miserable.
And I think the press does him dirty no matter what he does.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 17:32:19 GMT
I get a completely different vibe from him than most of you. I see him as a very protective person coming from intense trauma . Losing his mom at such an early age and in such a horrific way, that changes you dramatically. His actions show me that he does things to protect himself and his family foremost. I don't see any maliciousness with his actions. He's always been very rebellious and I see that with him in regards to the patriarchy. I applaud him for not staying with the royals and living a life where he is miserable. And I think the press does him dirty no matter what he does. Except there were two of them that went through that trauma of losing their mother at an early age. How hurtful it must be for one to listen to the other saying his mum is done with him now and concentrating on the other.
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Post by mom on Apr 20, 2022 17:55:22 GMT
Welp. I didn't watch the interview as I couldn't bother to pry my eyes open for it.
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Post by iluvpink on Apr 20, 2022 18:17:08 GMT
I get a completely different vibe from him than most of you. I see him as a very protective person coming from intense trauma . Losing his mom at such an early age and in such a horrific way, that changes you dramatically. His actions show me that he does things to protect himself and his family foremost. I don't see any maliciousness with his actions. He's always been very rebellious and I see that with him in regards to the patriarchy. I applaud him for not staying with the royals and living a life where he is miserable. And I think the press does him dirty no matter what he does. Except there were two of them that went through that trauma of losing their mother at an early age. How hurtful it must be for one to listen to the other saying his mum is done with him now and concentrating on the other. But they are different people and none of us react the exact same way as another person. I personally fully believe Harry has some mental health issues, and needs treatment. He may be getting it, but I believe that's strongly affecting him, his behavior etc. I have sympathy for him, especially if he's struggling with his mental health. And while I do not know exactly what is going on with the whole situation, I don't believe he is the only one at fault. He may or may not be overreacting but I think he may have some good reasons for how the things he has done and said. Not to say I agree with it all, but I'm not him, nor do I know all the going ons in that family. ETA and I think it's wrong to refer to him as to him as unhinged etc (as some in this thread did, NOT the poster I quoted) when he is clearly struggling, is wrong.
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Post by pilcas on Apr 20, 2022 18:31:03 GMT
I think you would have to have a pretty high opinion of yourself to think that you could jet in for a quick visit w/ your 96 year old grandmother who is the Queen of England and make a judgment as to the advice she is getting from those who are around her on a day to day basis. I wonder what Prince Edward and Princess Anne and the other royals who are dedicated to Queen Elizabeth think when Harry drops by for a quick visit and announces to the world that he has confirmed that the Queen is in good hands. I also wonder what the Queen herself thinks when she reads that Harry has announced to the world that he confirmed she was getting good advice. She probably wonders how England survived WWII without Harry's sage advice. Agree with you 100%. This is not someone visiting their grandma who lives alone in another state wondering if she has good care. In any case this type of decisions/ advice it is the children who make the decisions and not a grandson, certainly not one who is barely there.
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Post by mom on Apr 20, 2022 18:32:39 GMT
I get a completely different vibe from him than most of you. I see him as a very protective person coming from intense trauma . Losing his mom at such an early age and in such a horrific way, that changes you dramatically. His actions show me that he does things to protect himself and his family foremost. I don't see any maliciousness with his actions. He's always been very rebellious and I see that with him in regards to the patriarchy. I applaud him for not staying with the royals and living a life where he is miserable. And I think the press does him dirty no matter what he does. Except there were two of them that went through that trauma of losing their mother at an early age. How hurtful it must be for one to listen to the other saying his mum is done with him now and concentrating on the other. Can you imagine the shit storm if William had been the one to say that about Harry?
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Post by papersilly on Apr 20, 2022 18:36:53 GMT
when i heard about this yesterday, i thought it was the oddest statement coming from Harry. like many others, i thought, does he actually have any power or weight when it comes to protecting the Queen? i don't think so. he's pretty far down on the totem pole at this point so how would that even be possible?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 18:52:50 GMT
Except there were two of them that went through that trauma of losing their mother at an early age. How hurtful it must be for one to listen to the other saying his mum is done with him now and concentrating on the other. But they are different people and none of us react the exact same way as another person. I personally fully believe Harry has some mental health issues, and needs treatment. He may be getting it, but I believe that's strongly affecting him, his behavior etc. I have sympathy for him, especially if he's struggling with his mental health. And while I do not know exactly what is going on with the whole situation, I don't believe he is the only one at fault. He may or may not be overreacting but I think he may have some good reasons for how the things he has done and said. Not to say I agree with it all, but I'm not him, nor do I know all the going ons in that family. ETA and I think referring to him as unhinged etc when he is clearly struggling, is wrong.I did nothing of the sort so please don't infer that I did when quoting my post.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 18:58:54 GMT
Except there were two of them that went through that trauma of losing their mother at an early age. How hurtful it must be for one to listen to the other saying his mum is done with him now and concentrating on the other. Can you imagine the shit storm if William had been the one to say that about Harry? I think it's a really cruel comment to make by any sibling especially when the older one has made his utmost to support and protect him and also get him some mental help support in the past.
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Post by iluvpink on Apr 20, 2022 19:29:50 GMT
But they are different people and none of us react the exact same way as another person. I personally fully believe Harry has some mental health issues, and needs treatment. He may be getting it, but I believe that's strongly affecting him, his behavior etc. I have sympathy for him, especially if he's struggling with his mental health. And while I do not know exactly what is going on with the whole situation, I don't believe he is the only one at fault. He may or may not be overreacting but I think he may have some good reasons for how the things he has done and said. Not to say I agree with it all, but I'm not him, nor do I know all the going ons in that family. ETA and I think referring to him as unhinged etc when he is clearly struggling, is wrong.I did nothing of the sort so please don't infer that I did when quoting my post. My apologies, I will edit my post.
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Post by amp on Apr 20, 2022 19:41:55 GMT
Agreed. And frankly, I don't necessarily believe some of the Queen's kids or grandkids (looking at you, Andrew, Charles, and William) do have her best interest at heart. Really? What exactly has Charles & William done except being a very hands on son and grandson who think the world of her and is far more involved with her well being on a daily basis than Harry is or ever will be. Oddly enough we ( general we) have managed to look after her and protect her for 95 years and will continue doing so without someone popping up from thousands of miles away for 30 minutes to check up on her. He really needs to think about what he is saying before he opens his big mouth and make stupid statements like he does. He's digging that hole he's in, bigger and bigger everyday. Yep. And Charles and William darn sure haven't given an interview to Oprah where they talk smack about the family. I wish Harry and Meghan would live quietly out of the public eye which they say they want, but don't do.
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Post by gar on Apr 20, 2022 20:16:39 GMT
I get a completely different vibe from him than most of you. I see him as a very protective person coming from intense trauma. Losing his mom at such an early age and in such a horrific way, that changes you dramatically. His actions show me that he does things to protect himself and his family foremost. I don't see any maliciousness with his actions. He's always been very rebellious and I see that with him in regards to the patriarchy. I applaud him for not staying with the royals and living a life where he is miserable. And I think the press does him dirty no matter what he does. The British public (generally) held Harry (and William) in a virtual loving hug after Diana died. We cried for them and no one wanted Harry to be unhappy. I believe that, handled differently, the vast majority would have encouraged and supported his move away from the daily life of being a senior Royal. You can applaud him all you want but you don't have the emotional attachment to him in the way a lot of Brits do so of course you won't feel the same...it's hard to explain and probably hard to understand. But the things he has said and done are such a betrayal that it's hard to feel sympathy for him now. He may well be traumatised and suffering mental health problems but I don't believe that necessitates throwing his family under the bus. He's only protecting some of his family unfortunately and the other's don't even have the right of reply.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Apr 20, 2022 20:30:14 GMT
I agree the protect grandma part of this story sounds odd and presumptuous. Reads like historical fiction about palace intrigue.
But I didn’t read the quote about the specter of their mother helping as at all hurtful. He seemed to be saying that she helped the older, first-married, first-reproducing son and now is doing it for the younger son, not abandoning the older one.
I mean, c’mon, we’re talking about a ghost here. Apparently on a rotating transcontinental schedule.
Okay. I’m out. I’m giggling at myself for actually writing those words. No offense intended. The quote to me just read as a sweet yet clumsy sentiment from a man who lost his mum young and believes she is helping BOTH brothers become fully realized family men. What’s wrong with acknowledging that shared comfort? Too much parsing of these folks’ every syllable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 20:38:59 GMT
I get a completely different vibe from him than most of you. I see him as a very protective person coming from intense trauma. Losing his mom at such an early age and in such a horrific way, that changes you dramatically. His actions show me that he does things to protect himself and his family foremost. I don't see any maliciousness with his actions. He's always been very rebellious and I see that with him in regards to the patriarchy. I applaud him for not staying with the royals and living a life where he is miserable. And I think the press does him dirty no matter what he does. The British public (generally) held Harry (and William) in a virtual loving hug after Diana died. We cried for them and no one wanted Harry to be unhappy. I believe that, handled differently, the vast majority would have encouraged and supported his move away from the daily life of being a senior Royal. You can applaud him all you want but you don't have the emotional attachment to him in the way a lot of Brits do so of course you won't feel the same...it's hard to explain and probably hard to understand. But the things he has said and done are such a betrayal that it's hard to feel sympathy for him now. He may well be traumatised and suffering mental health problems but I don't believe that necessitates throwing his family under the bus. He's only protecting some of his family unfortunately and the other's don't even have the right of reply. Thank you for explaining that. I do understand that I don't understand it fully because I'm not a Brit. I appreciate your explanation!
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Post by gar on Apr 20, 2022 20:40:19 GMT
The British public (generally) held Harry (and William) in a virtual loving hug after Diana died. We cried for them and no one wanted Harry to be unhappy. I believe that, handled differently, the vast majority would have encouraged and supported his move away from the daily life of being a senior Royal. You can applaud him all you want but you don't have the emotional attachment to him in the way a lot of Brits do so of course you won't feel the same...it's hard to explain and probably hard to understand. But the things he has said and done are such a betrayal that it's hard to feel sympathy for him now. He may well be traumatised and suffering mental health problems but I don't believe that necessitates throwing his family under the bus. He's only protecting some of his family unfortunately and the other's don't even have the right of reply. Thank you for explaining that. I do understand that I don't understand it fully because I'm not a Brit. I appreciate your explanation! You're welcome
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 20:49:11 GMT
I did nothing of the sort so please don't infer that I did when quoting my post. My apologies, I will edit my post. Thank you. Coming back to what you were saying in your earlier post regarding his mental health. The problem with Prince Harry is that he changes the narrative to suit himself and he seems to forget that some know what he has said in the past. In May of 2016 he launched, together with Prince William and Catherine, The Heads Together charity which is to encourage and support people to talk about their mental health struggles. He, soon after, did a podcast with Briony Gordon of the Telegraph titled Mad World. During that conversation he acknowledged the fact that it was Prince William and others close to him that encouraged him to seek professional help. He did seek and got help, for a couple of years before launching the charity. In part that was one of the reasons they founded the charity. Incidentally Prince William and Catherine still support the charity through their foundation whilst Prince Harry and Meghan decided to distance themselves from it and go their separate ways. Yet, when talking to Winfrey for an episode of “The Me You Can’t See,” their Apple TV+ series, he conveniently forgot that and gave all credit to Meghan for encouraging him to seek help. Meghan wasn't even on the scene when they launched Heads Together and he certainly, confirmed by his own words in that podcast that he received support and help before then. The inconsistencies in what he says is what people get annoyed at. Some of the things he says can be proven to be wrong. Here's a LINK to a report covering that which written as far back as 2017
Here's the Mad World podcast video that was recorded in 2017.
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Post by oh yvonne on Apr 20, 2022 20:55:04 GMT
My apologies, I will edit my post. Thank you. Coming back to what you were saying in your earlier post regarding his mental health. The problem with Prince Harry is that he changes the narrative to suit himself and he seems to forget that some know what he has said in the past. In May of 2016 he launched, together with Prince William and Catherine, The Heads Together charity which is to encourage and support people to talk about their mental health struggles. He, soon after, did a podcast with Briony Gordon of the Telegraph titled Mad World. During that conversation he acknowledged the fact that it was Prince William and others close to him that encouraged him to seek professional help. He did seek and got help, for a couple of years before launching the charity. In part that was one of the reasons they founded the charity. Incidentally Prince William and Catherine still support the charity through their foundation whilst Prince Harry and Meghan decided to distance themselves from it and go their separate ways. Yet, when talking to Winfrey for an episode of “The Me You Can’t See,” their Apple TV+ series, he conveniently forgot that and gave all credit to Meghan for encouraging him to seek help. Meghan wasn't even on the scene when they launched Heads Together and he certainly, confirmed by his own words in that podcast that he received support and help before then. The inconsistencies in what he says is what people get annoyed at. Some of the things he says can be proven to be wrong. Here's a LINK to a report covering that which written as far back as 2017
Here's the Mad World podcast video that was recorded in 2017. Thanks for bringing this up. Every time the debates about him and his motives come up I think of that and think "but he's such a liar". I can't stand liars. I never believe or respect them once outed so easily. I'm not a fan of the duo.
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Post by cycworker on Apr 20, 2022 21:16:03 GMT
And frankly, I don't necessarily believe some of the Queen's kids or grandkids (looking at you, Andrew, Charles, and William) do have her best interest at heart. Oh really? I'd love to know what Charles, and William especially have done to betray the Queen? Well we can be pretty darn sure that William played a big part in generating the press attacks on Meghan, which ultimately led to Harry & Meghan leaving. And we can surmise that HRH isn't happy to not have her grandson & his family closer. I count creating a rift in your family to hide your cheating on your wife as pretty much a betrayal of your grandmother.
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Post by cycworker on Apr 20, 2022 21:19:17 GMT
I get a completely different vibe from him than most of you. I see him as a very protective person coming from intense trauma . Losing his mom at such an early age and in such a horrific way, that changes you dramatically. His actions show me that he does things to protect himself and his family foremost. I don't see any maliciousness with his actions. He's always been very rebellious and I see that with him in regards to the patriarchy. I applaud him for not staying with the royals and living a life where he is miserable. And I think the press does him dirty no matter what he does. Except there were two of them that went through that trauma of losing their mother at an early age. How hurtful it must be for one to listen to the other saying his mum is done with him now and concentrating on the other. William had Charles grooming him to be King. The loss impacted him differently. And even w/o the royal component, two people can experience the same event differently. Harry has clearly had a tougher time recovering from the trauma of Diana's death.
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Post by gar on Apr 20, 2022 21:23:01 GMT
Oh really? I'd love to know what Charles, and William especially have done to betray the Queen? Well we can be pretty darn sure that William played a big part in generating the press attacks on Meghan, which ultimately led to Harry & Meghan leaving. And we can surmise that HRH isn't happy to not have her grandson & his family closer. I count creating a rift in your family to hide your cheating on your wife as pretty much a betrayal of your grandmother. That's a whole load of assumptions in there
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Post by cycworker on Apr 20, 2022 21:28:37 GMT
Well we can be pretty darn sure that William played a big part in generating the press attacks on Meghan, which ultimately led to Harry & Meghan leaving. And we can surmise that HRH isn't happy to not have her grandson & his family closer. I count creating a rift in your family to hide your cheating on your wife as pretty much a betrayal of your grandmother. That's a whole load of assumptions in there It was actually pretty much confirmed that William did exactly that
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 21:35:45 GMT
Except there were two of them that went through that trauma of losing their mother at an early age. How hurtful it must be for one to listen to the other saying his mum is done with him now and concentrating on the other. William had Charles grooming him to be King. The loss impacted him differently. And even w/o the royal component, two people can experience the same event differently. Harry has clearly had a tougher time recovering from the trauma of Diana's death. Oh for goodness sake!
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Post by gar on Apr 20, 2022 21:35:48 GMT
That's a whole load of assumptions in there It was actually pretty much confirmed that William did exactly that That would depend on your source as to whether that's true.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 21:37:02 GMT
That's a whole load of assumptions in there It was actually pretty much confirmed that William did exactly that By who, you ?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 20, 2022 21:54:51 GMT
Can you imagine the shit storm if William had been the one to say that about Harry? I think it's a really cruel comment to make by any sibling especially when the older one has made his utmost to support and protect him and also get him some mental help support in the past. I took his comment about his mom being done with his brother as, his mom helped his brother get his life in order earlier, and now she is helping him. I find it really weird how so many people on these threads are so invested in putting down Harry and reading more into every statement than needs to be. As if you all know the inner workings of every aspect of the royal families lives.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 20, 2022 22:05:58 GMT
OMG you couldn't make this shit up. He's unhinged Eh, that’s probably the least unhinged thing he said. I kinda think my dad is watchin out for me. Sometimes I think my dad is directly responsible for some things happening for me. I miss him dearly and I may very well be making these ‘signs’ up in my head but I don’t think it’s delusional. I don’t understand the checking on who’s around TQ comment. If he was that concerned then he should be there more often to visit & enjoy his grandmother.
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Post by papersilly on Apr 20, 2022 22:10:08 GMT
i think harry has struggled even more with the loss of diana after he became a parent himself. he was so young when she died but being parent himself now has given him a new shared experience with her. i think he's remiss that his children will never get that physical interaction with her. couple all that with the estrangement from his family and move from the UK and i think he's been dealing with a lot these past few years. that's why i give him a pass on most things that seem to get a rise in people.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 20, 2022 22:10:34 GMT
Except there were two of them that went through that trauma of losing their mother at an early age. How hurtful it must be for one to listen to the other saying his mum is done with him now and concentrating on the other. But they are different people and none of us react the exact same way as another person. I personally fully believe Harry has some mental health issues, and needs treatment. He may be getting it, but I believe that's strongly affecting him, his behavior etc. I have sympathy for him, especially if he's struggling with his mental health. And while I do not know exactly what is going on with the whole situation, I don't believe he is the only one at fault. He may or may not be overreacting but I think he may have some good reasons for how the things he has done and said. Not to say I agree with it all, but I'm not him, nor do I know all the going ons in that family. ETA and I think it's wrong to refer to him as to him as unhinged etc (as some in this thread did, NOT the poster I quoted) when he is clearly struggling, is wrong. I do think he has some issues and is hopefully getting treatment or help. I think growing up as ‘the spare’ does add to the trauma too. But he really does need to learn to measure his words or keep quiet
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Post by iluvpink on Apr 20, 2022 23:43:10 GMT
But they are different people and none of us react the exact same way as another person. I personally fully believe Harry has some mental health issues, and needs treatment. He may be getting it, but I believe that's strongly affecting him, his behavior etc. I have sympathy for him, especially if he's struggling with his mental health. And while I do not know exactly what is going on with the whole situation, I don't believe he is the only one at fault. He may or may not be overreacting but I think he may have some good reasons for how the things he has done and said. Not to say I agree with it all, but I'm not him, nor do I know all the going ons in that family. ETA and I think it's wrong to refer to him as to him as unhinged etc (as some in this thread did, NOT the poster I quoted) when he is clearly struggling, is wrong. I do think he has some issues and is hopefully getting treatment or help. I think growing up as ‘the spare’ does add to the trauma too. But he really does need to learn to measure his words or keep quiet Oh, I do agree with that. I think the best thing he could do is to stay out of the spotlight as much as possible. But I also think he isn't seeing things clearly and isn't making good decisions due to his mental health. I hope he eventually sees that and somehow can mend his relationship with his family. Honestly I think mistakes were probably made on all sides to some degree, and I understand wanting out and to protect his wife and children. But, he needs a more private life, some serious therapy etc. Honestly I think he Charles and William should ALL sit down together with a family therapist. I doubt that would happen but one can hope.
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