Roe V Wade to be possibly overturned? Leaked SC papers

Don't they claim we approve after birth abortions. We DON'T, but they seem to!!

Sure hope he doesn’t jack off because that’s a lot of “life” being murdered.

Meidas Touch

Beer boy lied in his hearing about the White House emails. They literally had proof that he lied and they did not care. He should have been ineligible for an SC seat due to his perjury but not for the GOP

So Alito did not do his research so well...

A historian and law professor explains what Justice Alito gets 'egregiously wrong' about history
Alex Henderson, AlterNet
June 02, 2022

In his leaked majority draft opinion making an argument for overturning Roe v. Wade, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito delves into United States history. Author Leslie J. Reagan, who teaches law and history at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign, analyzes parts of Alito’s draft in an op-ed published by Politico on June 2 — and lays out some things the socially conservative justice gets “egregiously wrong” about the history of abortion in the U.S.

Alito, in his draft, writes, “An unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment persisted from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.” But according to Reagan, author of the book “When Abortion Was a Crime: Women, Medicine, and Law in the United States, 1867-1973,” that statement fails to capture the nuances of the legal history of abortion in the U.S.

“The logic that Alito uses in the draft opinion leans heavily on history — history that he gets egregiously wrong,” Reagan explains. “Alito explicitly dismisses the distinction between ending a pregnancy before or after quickening, a distinction that my research has found was critical to the way American women and American physicians traditionally thought about pregnancy. In early America as in early modern England, abortion before ‘quickening’ was legal under common law and widely accepted in practice.”

The term “quickening” refers to when a woman first begins to feel movement in the uterus.

According to Reagan, Alito’s draft opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization — the case that could lead to Roe’s demise after 49 years — Alito “sidesteps” some “well-established history.” The history of abortion in the U.S., Reagan stresses, isn’t nearly as black-and-white as Alito makes it out to be.

“The first laws in the United States governing abortion, passed by states in the 1820s and 1830s, banned the furnishing of drugs — ‘poison’ — intended to induce a miscarriage of a ‘woman, then quick with child,’” Reagan notes. “The first such law in Connecticut aimed to punish men who seduced women then, instead of marrying them when pregnancy developed, coerced them into using abortifacients.”

Reagan continues, “These first laws were essentially poison control measures intended to protect women from both abusive men and the sometimes-deadly herbs and medicines marketed to bring on their menses. These first laws also referred only to inducing miscarriage after quickening. It is essential to recognize that these laws did not criminalize drugs used before quickening. The nation’s earliest laws assumed the existing common law right of women to regulate their menses — and to abort early pregnancies.”

www.rawstory.com/a-historian-and-law-professor-explains-what-alito-gets-egregiously-wrong-about-history/

Unfortunately, it is all too real for someone to say they believe this right now. I am sure it is a matter of laying the groundwork to justify a total ban on contraception.

so really, we SHOULD go back to that, given his reasoning of 'well, historically...' I could get with that-- punish the MEN.  Because that's what the first law in Connecticut was for, right??  Punishing the men who got the women pregnant in the first place.  But he *VERY conveniently* left out THAT part of history. 

Florida. Anti abortion vs what is real practice.. very long Politico magazine piece.. worth reading about what is really going on in Florida what has more abortions then many other states,..pointed out that those of means, from the US, in the past went to Cuba for procedures, which are still legal there.

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By Rosita’s estimation, A Hialeah Woman’s Care Center could be the busiest abortion clinic in Miami-Dade County, which as Florida’s most populous county has by far the highest number of abortions in the state, which in turn has the nation’s third-highest abortion rate among states, according to the CDC’s most recent figures from 2019, behind only New York and Illinois. With close to 19 abortions per 1,000 women ages 15 to 44 that year, Florida’s rate is nearly twice the national average of around 11. Which is odd, because its government is altogether dominated by Republicans.

In Hialeah, the mayor’s a Republican, the state senator is a Republican, and the state rep is a Republican; the city went for Donald Trump in 2016 and he improved his margins there in 2020; and the city’s largely Republican and largely Cuban population has been no small factor in Florida’s shift from crucial swing state to predictably red. Yet this is also a majority Hispanic and largely Catholic city with five licensed abortion clinics out of 14 in the county, one of them a short walk under the Palmetto Expressway overpass from a shop called the 2nd Amendment Gun Store. It is not a city where people’s lives conform neatly to the dominant politics.

A Hialeah Woman’s Care Center. Abortion clinic in Hialeah, Florida.
A Hialeah Woman’s Care Center could be the busiest abortion clinic in Miami-Dade County, which as Florida’s most populous county has by far the highest number of abortions in the state.

“I don’t knock on the patient’s door” to promote abortions, Rosita said. Women seek out those services on their own, for reasons strong enough to overcome whatever may be their political or religious objections to ending a pregnancy. “You come to me with your mind made up.” Patients, she said, don’t typically bring partisanship into the waiting room, but they do complain about policies such as the requirement (recently allowed to go into effect after about seven years held up in court) that any woman seeking an abortion first receive a consultation and then wait 24 hours before going through with it. Patients almost never change their minds after this “reflection period,” she said, though one woman keeping her adult daughter company in the waiting room said her husband’s ex-wife did so after the ultrasound revealed twins. More often, according to Rosita, it’s a massive inconvenience, especially for the rapidly growing numbers of patients traveling to Florida from states with tighter abortion restrictions. Rosita makes sure they know the clinic did not come up with this policy, and who did: The Republicans who run Florida. After all, she pointed out, “this is an election year.”

www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/06/03/florida-abortion-00035799

What are your thoughts about who leaked this info? Awhile back I heard someone on the Deep State podcast day that it could have been a Russian hacker that leaked it. In a way it seems really far-fetched but in a way it seems possible. Since the leak, the news has switched from constant Ukraine coverage to abortion and now other national topics. It was a good distraction from the war in Ukraine.

I've never heard anything so ridiculous in my life and to use that excuse for their agenda makes them look really dumb to anyone that has an once of understanding of how  procreating works. If someone was that dumb it makes it more so to actually admit it.

But I thought some states were trying to make those illegal since they are classified as an “abortion” even when they aren’t used for that. Same with ending an ectopic pregnancy even though not viable.

This seems most plausible. I heard it on the Cancel Me, Daddy podcast recently too. 

Louisiana woman raped 16 years ago, court ordered custody to rapist of 16 yr old DD and mom must pay support

youtu.be/xSjkBSArfVA

www.rawstory.com/john-barnes-louisiana/

Something to think about... Some of the text if you choose not to open the tweet....

In a video clip captured by Right Wing Watch, the host of the Red Elephant podcast, who spoke at the so-called "Million Maga March" in November of 2020, promised his followers that he and his followers will make the dystopian "Handmaids Tale" novel by Margaret Atwood a reality in the wake of the Supreme Court's 6-3 Dobbs ruling overturning Roe v Wade..

Christian nationalism is on the rise and people are thirsty for it, hungry for this!" he claimed. "And we are the Christian Taliban and we will not stop until The Handmaid's Tale is a reality, and even worse than that to be honest."

There was this article from The Atlantic that was like [Justice Sam] Alito is on a mission to roll back the rights of women and roll back the past hundred years of rights that were given to women," he continued. "Yes, that is what we're doing and it's what we're doing and it's only going to get worse for you from here."

www.rawstory.com/handmaids-tale-supreme-court/