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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 3, 2022 17:34:39 GMT
Ted Cruz, you disgust me!! Run and hide, maybe Cancun .. you've done it before!!
Their solution to every problem is lock them up.... There are several articles/pieces that the leaker could well be a conservative stirring the pot...
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Post by epeanymous on May 3, 2022 17:42:26 GMT
They are going to overturn it. That is what the three Trump justices were put on the court to do. It means that immediately in half the country you will not have legal abortion. Someone ought to charge the 3 liars with perjury as they all lied under oath.
I know that won't happen, and I suspected them as being liars at the time.
Part of the problem is that literally everyone knew they were lying at the time.
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Post by katlady on May 3, 2022 17:43:23 GMT
MA has securities in place at the state level that will protect women in the event Roe v. Wade is overturned. Abortion will remain legal here, but other states have passed "trigger laws" to immediately ban them if it's overturned. I hope those states are ready for the repercussions of that bullshit. Only IF they don't pass a federal,all encompassing, law. It is kind of ironic that they say abortion should be a state's right, yet they want a federal law to completely ban it.
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Post by epeanymous on May 3, 2022 17:43:24 GMT
Ted Cruz, you disgust me!! Run and hide, maybe Cancun .. you've done it before!! Their solution to every problem is lock them up.... There are several articles/pieces that the leaker could well be a conservative stirring the pot... THE LEAK IS NOT THE PROBLEM. And most people who know more about the court than I do (my husband was a Supreme Court clerk so I am in that network) think it is more likely a conservative clerk if it is a clerk, although no one knows.
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Post by elainebenis on May 3, 2022 18:00:30 GMT
Fucking rich that Roberts and the GOP are mightily upset that the Supreme Courts PRIVACY WAS NOT RESPECTED!!!
Can’t make this shit up.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 18:27:17 GMT
Difference between Cruz and Elizabeth Warren
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Post by RosieKat on May 3, 2022 18:43:08 GMT
It's so absurd. You can't ban abortion. They still happen. You can only ban SAFE abortions. This is the part that too many people I know don't understand. I wish we could ban optional abortions, to be honest. But legislating it doesn't make it magically go away. Abortion can only go away if you fix the problems that make people want/need them first.
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Post by snugglebutter on May 3, 2022 19:29:58 GMT
It's so absurd. You can't ban abortion. They still happen. You can only ban SAFE abortions. This is the part that too many people I know don't understand. I wish we could ban optional abortions, to be honest. But legislating it doesn't make it magically go away. Abortion can only go away if you fix the problems that make people want/need them first.
I think a lot of people understand, they just don't care because they assume it won't be them or their loved ones at risk.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 3, 2022 19:48:07 GMT
Fucking rich that Roberts and the GOP are mightily upset that the Supreme Courts PRIVACY WAS NOT RESPECTED!!! Can’t make this shit up. You sure nailed it!!!
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Post by Zee on May 3, 2022 19:50:02 GMT
It's so absurd. You can't ban abortion. They still happen. You can only ban SAFE abortions. This is the part that too many people I know don't understand. I wish we could ban optional abortions, to be honest. But legislating it doesn't make it magically go away. Abortion can only go away if you fix the problems that make people want/need them first. Why do you feel the need to ban "optional" abortions? It's almost always optional, as it should be. An option for not ruining your life. When has someone else's abortion ever hurt you? I don't get that mindset. We are human and you cannot avoid every unintentional pregnancy by "fixing problems". That's why we need this to be a choice. ETA: I do support there being viability limits except in extreme cases of endangerment of life, but those are very rare circumstances. On that note, I just changed my ACLU donation to recurring monthly. I'm disgusted. I first read The Handmaid's Tale in 9th grade. I had no idea that I would one day be living it.
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Post by hop2 on May 3, 2022 19:52:24 GMT
I can only hope this will be the impetus for Congress to codify those protections into law. you’d have to get a cooperative senate. Which we don’t currently have. And midterms are supposedly to make it worse. So that won’t be happening anytime soon. People keep voting for obstructionists and this is what we get.
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Post by librarylady on May 3, 2022 19:54:19 GMT
When DT was elected, we began a $25/month donation of PP and to ACLU. Those continue to this day. That year, DH opted to take $400 of our tax refund and donate to PP. I think this year we might just triple that number to PP to fight for our rights to a safe abortion.
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Post by sideways on May 3, 2022 20:04:24 GMT
It's so absurd. You can't ban abortion. They still happen. You can only ban SAFE abortions. This is the part that too many people I know don't understand. I wish we could ban optional abortions, to be honest. But legislating it doesn't make it magically go away. Abortion can only go away if you fix the problems that make people want/need them first. I’m glad you understand that banning abortion will just make abortion unsafe. But, I will never understand this mentality. Someone having an abortion affects you zero. Who is anyone to say which abortions are “optional”. I guarantee the person needing an abortion does not see it as “optional”, no matter what their reasons are.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 3, 2022 20:09:06 GMT
I am going to say this gently. When we have someone who is willing to post who does not support the opinion of most of us, and speaks with a calm cool voice, please respect her!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 3, 2022 20:17:13 GMT
While you are watching the Justices' nominee hearings... Watch Alito's face while he answers... I may be wrong, but it looks to me like he sneers...
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Post by aj2hall on May 3, 2022 20:18:28 GMT
I think this sums it up really well. This is exactly what is happening. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/03/alito-roe-leaked-draft-disaster-for-supreme-court/Reading the draft Monday night was chilling. “Roe and Casey must be overruled, and the authority to regulate abortion must be returned to the people and their elected representatives,” the draft reads, referring to the 1992 ruling that reaffirmed the core right to abortion. It might as well have said: The authority to decide whether to continue a pregnancy must be removed from the woman who will have to bear the child and returned to a majority free to impose its moral choices on her. This part I disagree with - in some states, I don't think it's a true majority. The majority is older white men elected by extreme gerrymandering. And its not the majority of the people either. Polls show that it's not a majority of voters who want to overturn Roe v Wade either. I think this would be a more accurate statement. The authority to decide whether to continue a pregnancy must be removed from the woman who will have to bear the child and returned to a vocal minority free to impose its choices on her. I understand objecting to abortion on moral grounds. But what gives the government, or anyone else for that matter, the right to impose their moral choices on women?
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Post by aj2hall on May 3, 2022 20:40:51 GMT
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Post by claudia123 on May 3, 2022 21:08:05 GMT
This is the part that too many people I know don't understand. I wish we could ban optional abortions, to be honest. But legislating it doesn't make it magically go away. Abortion can only go away if you fix the problems that make people want/need them first. Why do you feel the need to ban "optional" abortions? It's almost always optional, as it should be. An option for not ruining your life. When has someone else's abortion ever hurt you? I don't get that mindset. We are human and you cannot avoid every unintentional pregnancy by "fixing problems". That's why we need this to be a choice. ETA: I do support there being viability limits except in extreme cases of endangerment of life, but those are very rare circumstances. On that note, I just changed my ACLU donation to recurring monthly. I'm disgusted. I first read The Handmaid's Tale in 9th grade. I had no idea that I would one day be living it. Thank you for posting this. I hate the way the debate on abortions often turns to the most extreme examples eg abortions as a result of rape or death to the mother. I find even pro choice people do this, rather than focussing on the fact that no matter the reason a woman choses to have an abortion, it is her choice to make. I had an abortion even though I was well educated on birth control/sex and was in a committed relationship. I was 23 and made a mistake with my pill, a mistake I'm so glad I dont have to live with for the rest of my life even though many people probably don't see that as a good enough reason. I had to wait a few weeks for my abortion and i still remember the feeling of relief when it was finally done, and if abortion had been illegal I am sure I still would have found a way to have one. My deepest sympathies go out to anyone who wants to access an abortion and can't.
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Post by pinklady on May 3, 2022 21:34:26 GMT
I am going to say this gently. When we have someone who is willing to post who does not support the opinion of most of us, and speaks with a calm cool voice, please respect her!! And I’m going to say this gently. 1) Nobody has been “disrespectful” to anyone in this thread. 2) I was just told MY rights to MY body are going to be taken away because I was lucky enough to be born with a vagina. I’m not going to be and certainly don’t need to be lectured by anyone to be “respectful” to someone who thinks it’s ok to strip ME of MY rights because she says it with a smile.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 3, 2022 21:40:41 GMT
The court and the GQP are saying that women are not capable or smart enough to make a medical decision. Will we be capable of deciding who to vote for in ten years or less? ***
Today IVF has been mentioned, as well as gay marriage, interracial marriage, contraception, and the list is expanding as the hours pass..
*** Tell your daughters, and yourselves, to do good research when they choose an ob-gyn. Make sure your doctors have gone to a medical school, internship, residency where women's reproductive health is being taught and practiced. Someone just mentioned that even now, there are states that have been restricting/limiting the teaching of different procedures for women and their health.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 3, 2022 21:44:44 GMT
I am going to say this gently. When we have someone who is willing to post who does not support the opinion of most of us, and speaks with a calm cool voice, please respect her!! And I’m going to say this gently. 1) Nobody has been “disrespectful” to anyone in this thread. 2) I was just told MY rights to MY body are going to be taken away because I was lucky enough to be born with a vagina. I’m not going to be and certainly don’t need to be lectured by anyone to be “respectful” to someone who thinks it’s ok to strip ME of MY rights because she says it with a smile. So far nobody has said that and I certainly was not lecturing you or anyone else. I made a suggestion or a request...sorry..
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Post by mollycoddle on May 3, 2022 21:45:17 GMT
Why do you feel the need to ban "optional" abortions? It's almost always optional, as it should be. An option for not ruining your life. When has someone else's abortion ever hurt you? I don't get that mindset. We are human and you cannot avoid every unintentional pregnancy by "fixing problems". That's why we need this to be a choice. ETA: I do support there being viability limits except in extreme cases of endangerment of life, but those are very rare circumstances. On that note, I just changed my ACLU donation to recurring monthly. I'm disgusted. I first read The Handmaid's Tale in 9th grade. I had no idea that I would one day be living it. Thank you for posting this. I hate the way the debate on abortions often turns to the most extreme examples eg abortions as a result of rape or death to the mother. I find even pro choice people do this, rather than focussing on the fact that no matter the reason a woman choses to have an abortion, it is her choice to make. I had an abortion even though I was well educated on birth control/sex and was in a committed relationship. I was 23 and made a mistake with my pill, a mistake I'm so glad I dont have to live with for the rest of my life even though many people probably don't see that as a good enough reason. I had to wait a few weeks for my abortion and i still remember the feeling of relief when it was finally done, and if abortion had been illegal I am sure I still would have found a way to have one. My deepest sympathies go out to anyone who wants to access an abortion and can't. Same. I am so thankful that abortion was legal. And outraged that today’s young women are going to be denied safe procedures.
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Post by Zee on May 3, 2022 21:46:47 GMT
Why do you feel the need to ban "optional" abortions? It's almost always optional, as it should be. An option for not ruining your life. When has someone else's abortion ever hurt you? I don't get that mindset. We are human and you cannot avoid every unintentional pregnancy by "fixing problems". That's why we need this to be a choice. ETA: I do support there being viability limits except in extreme cases of endangerment of life, but those are very rare circumstances. On that note, I just changed my ACLU donation to recurring monthly. I'm disgusted. I first read The Handmaid's Tale in 9th grade. I had no idea that I would one day be living it. Thank you for posting this. I hate the way the debate on abortions often turns to the most extreme examples eg abortions as a result of rape or death to the mother. I find even pro choice people do this, rather than focussing on the fact that no matter the reason a woman choses to have an abortion, it is her choice to make. I had an abortion even though I was well educated on birth control/sex and was in a committed relationship. I was 23 and made a mistake with my pill, a mistake I'm so glad I dont have to live with for the rest of my life even though many people probably don't see that as a good enough reason. I had to wait a few weeks for my abortion and i still remember the feeling of relief when it was finally done, and if abortion had been illegal I am sure I still would have found a way to have one. My deepest sympathies go out to anyone who wants to access an abortion and can't. I really hate that too. I made a young and dumb mistake long ago as well. I'm glad I didn't have to spend the rest of my life paying for it. I won't go into all the details because that's pretty personal, but also because it doesn't really matter. My life went a different course and I'm eternally grateful I had that choice.
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Post by aj2hall on May 3, 2022 22:19:48 GMT
Thank you to all of the brave peas for sharing their stories. I think way too often people think it won't happen to me, it hasn't happened to anyone I know etc. And statistically that's really unlikely. I also think there are a lot of stereotypes, misperceptions and just falsehoods regarding women and abortions. If we're talking about extremes, the idea that women commonly use abortion as a form of birth control is inaccurate. There are those situations, but that's not the case with the majority of abortions. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/12/14/upshot/who-gets-abortions-in-america.htmlTHE TYPICAL PATIENT ... Is Already a Mother. Is in Her Late 20s. Attended Some College. Has a Low Income. Is Unmarried. Is in Her First 6 Weeks of Pregnancy. Is Having Her First Abortion. Lives in a Blue State. “It’s simply not the case that abortion is something large numbers of people turn to as a form of birth control,” said Caitlin Knowles Myers, an economist at Middlebury who studies reproductive health.
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Post by onelasttime on May 3, 2022 22:27:12 GMT
Sounds like a plan…
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Post by aj2hall on May 3, 2022 22:31:13 GMT
My first 2 children were both unplanned pregnancies. Only my third child was planned. In both situations, we were using birth control but it failed. I feel incredibly fortunate that we were in a secure financial situation and could afford children at the time. My dh was in the Coast Guard at the time, so my pregnancy was fully covered at 100%. We were incredibly lucky and I recognize many people do not have the same financial stability or access to free health care. This statistic really hit home for me. The numbers are outdated but I couldn't find more recent ones. www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/unintended-pregnancy-united-statesOn average, U.S. women want to have two children. To accomplish that goal, a woman will spend close to three years pregnant, postpartum or attempting to become pregnant, and about three decades—more than three-quarters of her reproductive life—trying to avoid pregnancy.1In 2011, there were 98 pregnancies for every 1,000 women aged 15–44 in the United States.2 In 2011, there were 45 unintended pregnancies for every 1,000 women aged 15–44 in the United States. In other words, nearly 5% of reproductive-age women have an unintended pregnancy each year.2 The unintended pregnancy rate is significantly higher in the United States than in many other developed countries.3 In 2011, nearly half (45%, or 2.8 million) of the 6.1 million pregnancies in the United States were unintended. Specifically, 27% of all pregnancies were “wanted later” and 18% of pregnancies were “unwanted.”2
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Post by edie3 on May 3, 2022 23:32:15 GMT
We are taking so many steps backwards. SMH
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Post by jayfab on May 3, 2022 23:40:05 GMT
My first 2 children were both unplanned pregnancies. Only my third child was planned. In both situations, we were using birth control but it failed. I feel incredibly fortunate that we were in a secure financial situation and could afford children at the time. My dh was in the Coast Guard at the time, so my pregnancy was fully covered at 100%. We were incredibly lucky and I recognize many people do not have the same financial stability or access to free health care. This statistic really hit home for me. The numbers are outdated but I couldn't find more recent ones. www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/unintended-pregnancy-united-statesOn average, U.S. women want to have two children. To accomplish that goal, a woman will spend close to three years pregnant, postpartum or attempting to become pregnant, and about three decades—more than three-quarters of her reproductive life—trying to avoid pregnancy.1In 2011, there were 98 pregnancies for every 1,000 women aged 15–44 in the United States.2 In 2011, there were 45 unintended pregnancies for every 1,000 women aged 15–44 in the United States. In other words, nearly 5% of reproductive-age women have an unintended pregnancy each year.2 The unintended pregnancy rate is significantly higher in the United States than in many other developed countries.3 In 2011, nearly half (45%, or 2.8 million) of the 6.1 million pregnancies in the United States were unintended. Specifically, 27% of all pregnancies were “wanted later” and 18% of pregnancies were “unwanted.”2 Jaw dropping.
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Post by Scrapper100 on May 4, 2022 0:43:38 GMT
I didn’t read all the responses but didn’t see this posted.
IUDs are considered by many to be an abortion since they prevent a fertilized egg from implanting and therefore would also be effected. I know many that have used IUDs. Not everyone can take the pill. Condoms fail.
IVF extra fertilized eggs are frozen or discarded so IVF would also be effected. We were really close to going down this road luckily on our last treatment before this step I got pregnant. I know so many that have gone down this path and have become parents. I would hate to see this cut off as well.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 4, 2022 0:58:29 GMT
Long and interesting... How Samuel Alito Is Like Donald Trump BY NORMAN L. EISEN AND COLBY GALLIHER MAY 03, 2022 6:39 PM For all the seeming chaos of his administration, Donald Trump actually had a philosophy of governance, one grounded in assaulting the rule of law, ethics, and truth itself: Trumpery. In a new book, we warn that with Trump out of office, the greatest danger posed by Trumpery is that others will adopt it. Now that has apparently happened at the Supreme Court, as reflected in Justice Samuel Alito’s draft opinion overruling Roe v. Wade. Perhaps the single most defining characteristic of Trumpery is its disdain for the rule of law. The Alito draft in the Dobbs case has that in spades. A central tenet of Supreme Court jurisprudence is stare decisis, the idea that once the Supreme Court has ruled on something, it is settled law and is entitled to permanence, even if later courts may disagree with it. That is particularly true where you have a decadeslong established precedent like Roe. By upending one of the core legal principles governing the Supreme Court’s functioning, the Alito draft undermines the rule of law—and the court’s legitimacy. It is akin to Trump’s incessant assault on the laws and norms of the presidency, which in time undermined and weakened the executive branch and Americans’ faith in it. Alito and the four justices who are reportedly ready to rule with him are sending the Supreme Court down that same slippery slope. And they are sending a dangerous message: If Roe can be tossed out, then any Supreme Court precedent is in jeopardy. There goes stare decisis. Why this race into recklessness? It is driven by the second core tenet of Trumpery: elevation of selfish personal interests over public policy ones. Alito is himself reportedly opposed to abortion in his personal life, as are some of the other members of the majority. With this draft decision, they have apparently allowed their personal agendas to seep into their abandonment of stare decisis and their official policymaking. Sound familiar? Not just Trump but many in his administration used and abused government as a tool for their personal ends, as we explain in our book. Judges are supposed to adjudicate legal issues on the merits, independent of their personal ideologies. Alito and those reportedly joining the draft opinion have done the exact opposite here. Another core characteristic of Trumpery is dishonesty, with the former president reported to have lied more than 30,000 times. The Alito draft is rife with disinformation. For example, he justifies his reasoning on Roe with the fact that abortion is an “unenumerated right”—among the civil and human rights that are not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution. These rights, Alito contends, should only receive federal protections if they are “deeply rooted” in U.S. history and culture. Abortion is not, according to Alito. But the truth is the court has many times—including recently—instituted or upheld protections for unenumerated rights that don’t have the long history Alito is describing. That includes protecting interracial and same-sex marriage. To apply this reasoning to other unenumerated rights but not to abortion is contradictory and disingenuous, to say the least. On the factual side, Alito cites fellow Justice Clarence Thomas in saying that abortion amounts to eugenics targeted at Black people. The truth is much more complicated, and ignores that outlawing abortion will disproportionately hurt women of color. To take only one other example of many, Alito also references Justice Amy Coney Barrett’s contention that “safe haven” laws—which protect parents who give up their child from penalization—obviate the need for abortions. But whether those laws lead to better outcomes for mothers is inconclusive, and experts disagree on their efficacy in general. A fourth trait of Trumpery is also evident in the draft opinion: shamelessness. Alito evidently feels no embarrassment at his naked attack on stare decisis, his pursuit of his personal agenda, or his dishonesty. Nor does he see the need for baby steps. The opinion is bold in declaring Roe dead. Like Trump’s openly professed desire to “overturn” the election, Alito’s overthrow of a half-century of precedent is unashamed and even brazen. Fifth, Trumpery divides our society. Like the former president’s policies on immigration and building his wall, or his declaration that the white supremacist rioters in Charlottesville, Virginia, included “fine people,” the Alito opinion overturning Roe is a burning torch thrown into the tinderbox of our politics and society. Once the court proceeded with great caution to avoid popular turmoil. Not here. The result will foment widespread unrest. Like Melania Trump’s infamous slogan, Alito’s attitude is “I really don’t care, do you?” In his draft opinion he states, “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences, such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work.” In fact, avoiding the kind of political turmoil and escalation we are now facing is part of why we have stare decisis—judges should care about upsetting long-settled expectations and the societal ruptures that causes. Disregard for (and even intentionally exacerbating) social divisions was a specialty of the former president, who did everything possible to gratify his base. Tragically, this draft opinion smacks of a similar approach, consequences be damned. That will do great harm not just to the social fabric, but to our system of government itself. The assault on democracy is the sixth foundational aspect of Trumpery. This decision will devastate the legitimacy of the Supreme Court. It was already on shaky ground, with its current composition owed to two presidents, George W. Bush and Trump, who did not win the popular vote during their initial victorious campaigns to the White House. To make matters worse, the shape of the court was manipulated by the illegitimate GOP Senate blockade during President Barack Obama’s last year in office of his pick for the Supreme Court, Merrick Garland, purportedly because it was an election year. Then when a Supreme Court seat became vacant even later in the last months of Trump’s administration, a Republican majority in the Senate hypocritically rammed through Justice Amy Coney Barrett. This decision will devastate whatever remaining bipartisan legitimacy the court enjoyed before it as a key branch of our government. Roe Will Fall. But the Supreme Court’s Legitimacy Is Already Lost. That brings us to the seventh and final of the seven deadly sins of Trumpery: disdain for ethics. Trump and his cronies famously had little use for ethics. But when it comes to the Alito opinion, here the apostle of Trumpery is whoever leaked it. Doing so was a serious violation of legal ethics and, if done by a justice, of judicial ones. (That is part of the reason that the Supreme Court needs its own code of ethics, as we’ve argued in our book.) That ethics transgression is however equaled by Alito’s own assault on stare decisis, pursuit of his personal agenda, and disregard for truth that the draft represents. The leaked Alito decision is terrible news for civil rights, for the Constitution, and for the legitimacy of the Supreme Court. Globally, judicial polarization of this kind often leads to wider democratic backsliding, according to social science. But that same literature teaches us that in a democracy, hope is never lost. If Roe is indeed overturned, we will need to take the battle to the states to secure this precious right in legislation, litigation, and practice, including by getting on-the-ground assistance to women in need. Every concerned American should support this essential effort. As it turns out, much that we hold dear depends on it. slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/05/samuel-alito-and-donald-trump-end-roe.html
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