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Post by used2scrap on May 4, 2022 1:03:28 GMT
I am going to say this gently. When we have someone who is willing to post who does not support the opinion of most of us, and speaks with a calm cool voice, please respect her!! You want me to respect people who insist I have my rapists baby instead of choosing to be able to live and go on to have the three beautiful children I was able to have because I had a choice? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 4, 2022 1:04:46 GMT
I am going to say this gently. When we have someone who is willing to post who does not support the opinion of most of us, and speaks with a calm cool voice, please respect her!! You want me to respect people who insist I have my rapists baby instead of choosing to be able to live and go on to have the three beautiful children I was able to have because I had a choice? No, that isn't what she said!!! |
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Post by aj2hall on May 4, 2022 1:34:32 GMT
I hate both Alito and the Orange Menace with a passion.
And if Alito quoted RBG in his draft, I'm sure she's turning over in her grave.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 2:21:53 GMT
I hate both Alito and the Orange Menace with a passion. And if Alito quoted RBG in his draft, I'm sure she's turning over in her grave. He did at one point. I was intrigued to read what was in his draft. The implications that can, and possibly would, be used for many things but are not specifically laid out in the constitution regarding what is covered within the word " liberty", as well as someone's interpreting of what " liberty" means, is quite frightening. I didn't read all 98 pages but quickly read up to page 19 and that was enough. He's citing examples to explain the meaning of "liberty" by going way back to the 16th and 17th century to prove his point. In brief, anything that was not law back then as far as your liberty is concerned and not specifically mentioned in the constitution can't be taken as lawful in the 21st century. All 98 pages are on the Politico website HERE read up to page 19 in particular. |
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Post by kiera on May 4, 2022 2:49:40 GMT
I really, really hope they do. And I hope they do it FAST. |
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Post by aj2hall on May 4, 2022 4:09:52 GMT
I hate both Alito and the Orange Menace with a passion. And if Alito quoted RBG in his draft, I'm sure she's turning over in her grave. He did at one point. I was intrigued to read what was in his draft. The implications that can, and possibly would, be used for many things but are not specifically laid out in the constitution regarding what is covered within the word " liberty", as well as someone's interpreting of what " liberty" means, is quite frightening. I didn't read all 98 pages but quickly read up to page 19 and that was enough. He's citing examples to explain the meaning of "liberty" by going way back to the 16th and 17th century to prove his point. In brief, anything that was not law back then as far as your liberty is concerned and not specifically mentioned in the constitution can't be taken as lawful in the 21st century. All 98 pages are on the Politico website HERE read up to page 19 in particular. I read somewhere that he did, but I hadn't read the draft myself, so I wasn't 100% certain. Thank you for the link. I only glanced through it and it infuriated me, but I will try reading it later. |
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Post by LiLi on May 4, 2022 4:30:30 GMT
I have no words. I am devastated. This is cruel in ways some can never understand.
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Post by RosieKat on May 4, 2022 20:18:13 GMT
This is the part that too many people I know don't understand. I wish we could ban optional abortions, to be honest. But legislating it doesn't make it magically go away. Abortion can only go away if you fix the problems that make people want/need them first. Why do you feel the need to ban "optional" abortions? It's almost always optional, as it should be. An option for not ruining your life. When has someone else's abortion ever hurt you? I don't get that mindset. We are human and you cannot avoid every unintentional pregnancy by "fixing problems". That's why we need this to be a choice. ETA: I do support there being viability limits except in extreme cases of endangerment of life, but those are very rare circumstances. On that note, I just changed my ACLU donation to recurring monthly. I'm disgusted. I first read The Handmaid's Tale in 9th grade. I had no idea that I would one day be living it. , I have been pretty open on this board in the past about my anti-abortion stance. I didn't feel that this thread was the place to air my thoughts on abortion in general as I felt it would potentially derail the conversation and redirect it towards a conversation that is irrelevant here. I am happy to address it in a different thread or in a PM if you would like. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 4, 2022 23:42:26 GMT
Manchin thinks Maybe Kavanaugh may have lied to him... Joe Manchin says he's looking into whether Kavanaugh lied to him about Roe Sky Palma May 04, 2022 Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) said she was assured by Brett Kavanaugh in 2018 that he considered Roe v. Wade “settled law.” In the wake of the leaked Supreme Court draft ruling and reports that Kavanaugh voted to overturn Roe v. Wade, Collins said she was "shocked" that he would lie to her. When I met with Justice Kavanaugh before his confirmation hearings, he looked me in the eye and said that he considered Roe v. Wade the law of the land,” she said. “Nothing in his confirmation hearings suggested that he would ever be less than trustworthy with a woman.” Now, according to CNN's Manu Raju, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is also questioning his trust of Kavanaugh when he spoke to him about Roe back in 2018. We are going back through all the things we have — we had meetings with him — to find out what he said and how it was actually presented to us," Manchin said, according to Raju. Manchin in 2018 was the only Democrat in the Senate to vote in favor of Kavanaugh's confirmation to the United States Supreme Court. www.rawstory.com/brett-kavanaugh-joe-manchin/ |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 5, 2022 0:34:41 GMT
Manchin thinks Maybe Kavanaugh may have lied to him... Joe Manchin says he's looking into whether Kavanaugh lied to him about Roe Sky Palma May 04, 2022 Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) said she was assured by Brett Kavanaugh in 2018 that he considered Roe v. Wade “settled law.” In the wake of the leaked Supreme Court draft ruling and reports that Kavanaugh voted to overturn Roe v. Wade, Collins said she was "shocked" that he would lie to her. When I met with Justice Kavanaugh before his confirmation hearings, he looked me in the eye and said that he considered Roe v. Wade the law of the land,” she said. “Nothing in his confirmation hearings suggested that he would ever be less than trustworthy with a woman.” Now, according to CNN's Manu Raju, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is also questioning his trust of Kavanaugh when he spoke to him about Roe back in 2018. We are going back through all the things we have — we had meetings with him — to find out what he said and how it was actually presented to us," Manchin said, according to Raju. Manchin in 2018 was the only Democrat in the Senate to vote in favor of Kavanaugh's confirmation to the United States Supreme Court. www.rawstory.com/brett-kavanaugh-joe-manchin/Nothing in his testimony suggested he would be less than trustworthy with a woman? Wow. |
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Post by chances on May 5, 2022 4:02:25 GMT
Thank you for posting this. I hate the way the debate on abortions often turns to the most extreme examples eg abortions as a result of rape or death to the mother. I find even pro choice people do this, rather than focussing on the fact that no matter the reason a woman choses to have an abortion, it is her choice to make. I think there is a huge variety in beliefs about abortion among pro-choice advocates. I don’t see a consensus on when life begins and that is something I see a lot of pro-choice folks struggle with. People focus on the extremes, I think, bc there is the most agreement. Why get into a fight or an argument about what life means when you’re all voting the same way? 🤷🏽♀️ |
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Post by Zee on May 5, 2022 4:06:29 GMT
I think there is a huge variety in beliefs about abortion among pro-choice advocates. I don’t see a consensus on when life begins and that is something I see a lot of pro-choice folks struggle with. People focus on the extremes, I think, bc there is the most agreement. Why get into a fight or an argument about what life means when you’re all voting the same way? 🤷🏽♀️ This looks like I said something I didn't. Your quote is wrong. ETA the whole quoting things is wrong here, it messed mine up too. 😦 |
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Post by chances on May 5, 2022 4:11:25 GMT
I didn’t read all the responses but didn’t see this posted. IUDs are considered by many to be an abortion since they prevent a fertilized egg from implanting and therefore would also be effected. I know many that have used IUDs. Not everyone can take the pill. Condoms fail. IVF extra fertilized eggs are frozen or discarded so IVF would also be effected. We were really close to going down this road luckily on our last treatment before this step I got pregnant. I know so many that have gone down this path and have become parents. I would hate to see this cut off as well. I just had a friend decide to replace her IUD a year early bc she lives in a state where she can’t be certain it will be available next year. I hope insurance doesn’t deny payment like when you try to refill a prescription too early. It’s all just such a clusterfuck. |
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Post by chances on May 5, 2022 4:14:48 GMT
This looks like I said something I didn't. Your quote is wrong. ETA the whole quoting things is wrong here, it messed mine up too. 😦 I think I fixed it. I hate quoting in this site! |
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Post by luckyjune on May 5, 2022 12:35:26 GMT
Manchin thinks Maybe Kavanaugh may have lied to him... Joe Manchin says he's looking into whether Kavanaugh lied to him about Roe Sky Palma May 04, 2022 Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) said she was assured by Brett Kavanaugh in 2018 that he considered Roe v. Wade “settled law.” In the wake of the leaked Supreme Court draft ruling and reports that Kavanaugh voted to overturn Roe v. Wade, Collins said she was "shocked" that he would lie to her. When I met with Justice Kavanaugh before his confirmation hearings, he looked me in the eye and said that he considered Roe v. Wade the law of the land,” she said. “Nothing in his confirmation hearings suggested that he would ever be less than trustworthy with a woman.” Now, according to CNN's Manu Raju, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is also questioning his trust of Kavanaugh when he spoke to him about Roe back in 2018. We are going back through all the things we have — we had meetings with him — to find out what he said and how it was actually presented to us," Manchin said, according to Raju. Manchin in 2018 was the only Democrat in the Senate to vote in favor of Kavanaugh's confirmation to the United States Supreme Court. www.rawstory.com/brett-kavanaugh-joe-manchin/Nothing in his testimony suggested he would be less than trustworthy with a woman? Wow. Right? Did she zone out for the hearings with Christine Blasey Ford? JFC. |
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Post by leftturnonly on May 5, 2022 14:13:36 GMT
I'm scared for the babies who haven't been born yet because they won't even get to have a taste of bodily autonomy. This is a very confusing idea for me. You're literally saying that babies who haven't been born yet won't be able to grow up and decide that their babies won't be born. The new figures from the National Right to Life Committee show that almost 63.5 million babies have been killed in abortion since the Supreme Court legalized abortion in roe v. Wade in 1973. They never got a chance to taste bodily autonomy. |
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Post by leftturnonly on May 5, 2022 14:35:17 GMT
I worry that they want us to turn into a country that gives no rights to women. This idea also confuses me. Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson couldn't even define woman when asked at her nomination hearing, so how exactly is she going to protect women's rights? Until recently, girls - biological girls - were given protection under the law to compete against other girls - biological girls - without being forced to compete with males who were created with superior height and strength. That's gone now. Biological males are now included as girls and biological girls are losing all the protections they once had in sports. That's a tremendous loss for biological females in this country that is happening now. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 15:26:41 GMT
Oh yay, the person who's willing to fuck over other women have arrived.
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Post by pinklady on May 5, 2022 15:46:01 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 5, 2022 18:31:45 GMT
Meidas Touch strikes again...
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Post by Merge on May 5, 2022 20:07:37 GMT
Thank you for posting this. I hate the way the debate on abortions often turns to the most extreme examples eg abortions as a result of rape or death to the mother. I find even pro choice people do this, rather than focussing on the fact that no matter the reason a woman choses to have an abortion, it is her choice to make. I think there is a huge variety in beliefs about abortion among pro-choice advocates. I don’t see a consensus on when life begins and that is something I see a lot of pro-choice folks struggle with. People focus on the extremes, I think, bc there is the most agreement. Why get into a fight or an argument about what life means when you’re all voting the same way? 🤷🏽♀️ Perhaps we just think it’s up to the woman to consult her own beliefs about when life begins, and none of our business. |
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Post by blemon on May 5, 2022 20:09:55 GMT
You can also click on a member's name, go to their profile, click the little settings wheel and block everything they post so that you don't have to read it.
It helps my blood pressure.
And here's the deal that some people never get:
You're never ever ever going to stop abortion with your laws. You're only going to stop safe abortions.
Rich people are always going to get abortions (fly to Europe, pay off a doctor friend). Senators are always going to get abortions for their mistresses.
If you are so pro-life, start controlling guns like you control women's bodies.
Start giving women maternity leave. Start paying for day care.
Increase SNAP and WIC benefits. Increase CHIP.
Actually show you care.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 20:36:09 GMT
You can also click on a member's name, go to their profile, click the little settings wheel and block everything they post so that you don't have to read it. It helps my blood pressure. And here's the deal that some people never get: You're never ever ever going to stop abortion with your laws. You're only going to stop safe abortions. Rich people are always going to get abortions (fly to Europe, pay off a doctor friend). Senators are always going to get abortions for their mistresses. If you are so pro-life, start controlling guns like you control women's bodies. Start giving women maternity leave. Start paying for day care. Increase SNAP and WIC benefits. Increase CHIP. Actually show you care. AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by chances on May 5, 2022 21:02:03 GMT
I think there is a huge variety in beliefs about abortion among pro-choice advocates. I don’t see a consensus on when life begins and that is something I see a lot of pro-choice folks struggle with. People focus on the extremes, I think, bc there is the most agreement. Why get into a fight or an argument about what life means when you’re all voting the same way? 🤷🏽♀️ Perhaps we just think it’s up to the woman to consult her own beliefs about when life begins, and none of our business. I really don’t understand what you’re saying here. The OP wondered why pro-choice people needed a perfect victim narrative. I’m just saying keeping abortion access is hard enough. Focusing on consensus among supporters seems to be a strategy. |
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Post by stittsygirl on May 5, 2022 21:41:02 GMT
I worry that they want us to turn into a country that gives no rights to women. This idea also confuses me. Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson couldn't even define woman when asked at her nomination hearing, so how exactly is she going to protect women's rights? Until recently, girls - biological girls - were given protection under the law to compete against other girls - biological girls - without being forced to compete with males who were created with superior height and strength. That's gone now. Biological males are now included as girls and biological girls are losing all the protections they once had in sports. That's a tremendous loss for biological females in this country that is happening now. What exactly is the scale of that particular “tremendous loss” to biological females in sports in this country? Is it the same scale as every biological female in this country losing their right to bodily autonomy? On the matter of transgender people - my son is transgender. If he gets raped and pregnant, which he still has the physical ability to become, is the potential loss of his right to abort that fetus - the result of violence perpetrated against him - as important as the the rights of biological females in sports? As the mother of a transgender individual I’d like to know your thoughts on this scenario- one that haunts me all the time. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 5, 2022 21:48:09 GMT
Geraldo Rivera told him!!!
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Post by mollycoddle on May 5, 2022 21:59:02 GMT
Meanwhile, THIS jackass…
Guys like this are modern day Cotton Mathers. Blech.
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Post by aj2hall on May 5, 2022 22:08:52 GMT
I'm not surprised Republicans value the life of a fetus over a woman's reproductive choice of what to do with her own body, but to say the life of a fetus is more important than the life of a woman is repugnant. Jackass. And the women in North Dakota should fire him. But they won't.
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Post by Gem Girl on May 5, 2022 22:15:43 GMT
I'm not surprised Republicans value the life of a fetus over a woman's reproductive choice of what to do with her own body, but to say the life of a fetus is more important than the life of a woman is repugnant. Jackass. And the women in North Dakota should fire him. But they won't. Well, of course the fetus is more important. It might be a male. The father can always get another woman, and probably a younger (therefore better) one. Blech. |
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Post by hop2 on May 5, 2022 22:19:55 GMT
I hate both Alito and the Orange Menace with a passion. And if Alito quoted RBG in his draft, I'm sure she's turning over in her grave. He did at one point. I was intrigued to read what was in his draft. The implications that can, and possibly would, be used for many things but are not specifically laid out in the constitution regarding what is covered within the word " liberty", as well as someone's interpreting of what " liberty" means, is quite frightening. I didn't read all 98 pages but quickly read up to page 19 and that was enough. He's citing examples to explain the meaning of "liberty" by going way back to the 16th and 17th century to prove his point. In brief, anything that was not law back then as far as your liberty is concerned and not specifically mentioned in the constitution can't be taken as lawful in the 21st century. All 98 pages are on the Politico website HERE read up to page 19 in particular. Wow and here I thought they only wanted us to go back one century. |
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