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Post by hop2 on May 5, 2022 22:22:03 GMT
Manchin thinks Maybe Kavanaugh may have lied to him... Joe Manchin says he's looking into whether Kavanaugh lied to him about Roe Sky Palma May 04, 2022 Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) said she was assured by Brett Kavanaugh in 2018 that he considered Roe v. Wade “settled law.” In the wake of the leaked Supreme Court draft ruling and reports that Kavanaugh voted to overturn Roe v. Wade, Collins said she was "shocked" that he would lie to her. When I met with Justice Kavanaugh before his confirmation hearings, he looked me in the eye and said that he considered Roe v. Wade the law of the land,” she said. “Nothing in his confirmation hearings suggested that he would ever be less than trustworthy with a woman.” Now, according to CNN's Manu Raju, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is also questioning his trust of Kavanaugh when he spoke to him about Roe back in 2018. We are going back through all the things we have — we had meetings with him — to find out what he said and how it was actually presented to us," Manchin said, according to Raju. Manchin in 2018 was the only Democrat in the Senate to vote in favor of Kavanaugh's confirmation to the United States Supreme Court. www.rawstory.com/brett-kavanaugh-joe-manchin/When you approve the nomination of someone who perjured themselves during the nomination hearing you can’t be surprised if they then lie to you.
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Post by peasquared on May 5, 2022 22:36:23 GMT
I'm not surprised Republicans value the life of a fetus over a woman's reproductive choice of what to do with her own body, but to say the life of a fetus is more important than the life of a woman is repugnant. Jackass. And the women in North Dakota should fire him. But they won't. I tried to keep him from ever getting that job. We're here, just outnumbered.
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Post by hop2 on May 5, 2022 22:38:49 GMT
Thank you for posting this. I hate the way the debate on abortions often turns to the most extreme examples eg abortions as a result of rape or death to the mother. I find even pro choice people do this, rather than focussing on the fact that no matter the reason a woman choses to have an abortion, it is her choice to make. I think there is a huge variety in beliefs about abortion among pro-choice advocates. I don’t see a consensus on when life begins and that is something I see a lot of pro-choice folks struggle with. People focus on the extremes, I think, bc there is the most agreement. Why get into a fight or an argument about what life means when you’re all voting the same way? 🤷🏽♀️ I can believe that life begins at conception. And I can believe that abortion is wrong. And I can still believe that No one has the right to tell a woman what to do with her uterus for 40 weeks. Most especially a woman who was already violated. Or a woman who risks death. Or a woman who has no means to afford a birth or a baby ( birth is NOT free people there’s a copay due. ) Or just that I have no right to tell her what her uterus should be doing for the next 40 weeks. I also have a personal issue with laws that classify the medical procedure after a miscarriage the same as aborting a living fetus. I would never abort a living fetus I do not believe in abortion. BUT I also do not believe in dying of sepsis for a fetus that was dead, had no heart beat, and verifiably had not grown for 6 weeks. So while I do not believe in abortion I have apparently had one but it was better than dying. And if I’d have died refusing the procedure then my 2 beautiful children would not be here. Because I did refuse the procedure. And they did multiple ultra sounds and had multiple medical professionals show me that it hadn’t grown for 6 weeks had no heart beat and I was in the beginning state of sepsis. I prayed. I cried. I was devastated. But I did finally agree. If I hadn’t the procedure the fetus would still be dead, I could be dead. And there’s be 2 less people in the world. So even if we get past all the other issues, ( which I can’t because no one should be able to have control over your body for 40 weeks ) there’s still the issues with the laws outlawing these life saving procedures after miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy. What *I* believe doesn’t mean I have any right to force that on anyone else. The minute men are held responsible for where their sperm go and what their sperm do, unwanted pregnancies will rapidly decline.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 5, 2022 22:52:44 GMT
I am pro-choice, as in you choose your own path!
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Post by onelasttime on May 5, 2022 23:49:20 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on May 6, 2022 0:13:37 GMT
This is getting ridiculous.
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Post by hop2 on May 6, 2022 0:21:27 GMT
This is getting ridiculous. well I guess that crosses off NOLA from the travel list …
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 6, 2022 0:41:06 GMT
Oh yes, hop2Alito went way back... Sighting witches too Justice Samuel Alito will scrub this argument from final draft overturning Roe v. Wade: MSNBC anchor Bob Brigham May 04, 2022 Samuel Alito reaches back to legal writings in 17th century England to show that the right to abortion services is not deeply rooted in our history. He cites Sir Edward Coke, writing in 1644, that abortion is a crime," he explained. "In 1644, in England, they were still having witch trials ending in the execution of the convicted witches. And Sir Edward Coke helped English law define witches when he re-wrote English law in 1604 to make it even more cruel in witchcraft trials."O'Donnell explained why he did not view Coke as a moral authority. "Samuel Alito is reaching back four centuries to use Sir Edward Coke as a moral authority on abortion — a man who believed in witches and believed that they were working with the devil and believed that witches should be murdered by the state and he helped to make sure that they were murdered by the state in England," O'Donnell explained. "So when you are justifying outlawing abortion, because people conducting witch trials also believed that abortion should be against the law, you are morally lost. That is what the twisted reasoning of Samuel Alito has delivered to us in the first Supreme Court opinion in history revoking a constitutional right," he explained. youtu.be/1qdZOtH9Rhwwww.rawstory.com/roe-v-wade-alito/
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Post by pinklady on May 6, 2022 2:17:37 GMT
Finally some one is saying it! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
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Post by Merge on May 6, 2022 12:08:34 GMT
Perhaps we just think it’s up to the woman to consult her own beliefs about when life begins, and none of our business. I really don’t understand what you’re saying here. The OP wondered why pro-choice people needed a perfect victim narrative. I’m just saying keeping abortion access is hard enough. Focusing on consensus among supporters seems to be a strategy. Perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you are saying. I don’t think we need consensus about when life begins to agree that a woman should have control over her own body. Our consensus lies in giving each woman autonomy and choice.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 17:14:58 GMT
This is getting ridiculous. How exactly are they going to prove that there is fertilization? An IUD also alters the cervical mucus, which makes it more difficult for sperm to reach an egg in the first place. IUD also stop a fertilised egg from being able to implant itself. How exactly is any of that going to end up in a pregnancy. Have these people ever had a " facts of life" lesson I wonder. Not only do they want to ban abortion but they want to ban birth control too. Goof lord what do they think women are, brood mares ? - Don't bother to answer than, the answer is pretty obvious by their actions.
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Post by pyccku on May 6, 2022 18:48:09 GMT
Not only do they want to ban abortion but they want to ban birth control too. Goof lord what do they think women are, brood mares ? - Don't bother to answer than, the answer is pretty obvious by their actions. Perhaps it's time for more young women to explore their sexuality by refusing to have sex with men until they are ready to have a child. There are plenty of ways for women to enjoy themselves that don't involve a penis, or the owner of a penis. Maybe if men get cut out of the picture because women don't want to have to pay the price for taking the risk they will start to care about bodily autonomy.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 6, 2022 20:21:27 GMT
Conservatives blame Ketanji Brown Jackson for Supreme Court leak – but there's a big problem with their claimsPaige Harriss, Salon May 06, 2022 If you thought the right-wing attacks on incoming Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson would end with her confirmation to the nation's highest court, you were wrong. Months after her confirmation, Newsmax host Grant Stinchfield is back to baselessly targeting Jackson. On Tuesday, he suggested that Jackson was responsible for the recent leak of the court's decision on Roe v. Wade. I find it suspect that the first leak coming out of the Supreme Court in history comes shortly after Judge Jackson is confirmed," he said. "I want to know if her law clerks, who I am sure have already been hired, possibly even working at the high court already before her swearing in, have access to these draft decisions."Stinchfield, by his own admission, has no evidence of such a claim. And how could he? Jackson will not be sworn in until Justice Stephen G. Breyer's retirement this summer. She has no access to the Supreme Court computer network. And the leaked draft ruling for Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization was circulated on February 10 — before Jackson was even nominated to the court. Stinchfield's accusation is merely the latest in a series of Republican attempts to shift focus from the ruling's destructive impact on abortion access to the identity of the leaker. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell stated that the leak was "yet another escalation in the radical left's ongoing campaign to bully and intimidate federal judges and substitute mob rule for the rule of law," The Washington Post reported. And Ted Cruz asserted to reporters that the leaker had to be a liberal because, in his words, "I'm not a moron, because I live on planet Earth." "This is the most egregious breach of trust at the Supreme Court that has ever happened," he said. "Presumably, some left-wing law clerk angry at the direction the court is going decided to betray his or her obligation, the trust that clerk owed to the justice and to the court." According to the right-wing website Daily Caller, Tennessee Sen. Marsha Blackburn predicted that "the left starts pushing Justice Roberts to seat Judge Jackson because they are trying to push the balance of the court. They're trying to pack the court. They're trying to expand the court."www.rawstory.com/conservatives-blame-ketanji-brown-jackson-for-supreme-court-leak/
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Post by epeanymous on May 6, 2022 21:33:56 GMT
I did IVF and had fifteen fertilized eggs; only two of them survived past the first few days, and both were transferred. One didn't take. Would love to find out just how much murdering I've been up to.
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Post by Merge on May 6, 2022 22:41:23 GMT
Welp, if Republicans are going to betray the country by refusing to seat Garland and then rushing through ACB, they sound pretty stupid talking about standards of behavior around the Supreme Court.
I hope the leaker lives long and prospers.
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Post by Merge on May 6, 2022 22:43:36 GMT
I did IVF and had fifteen fertilized eggs; only two of them survived past the first few days, and both were transferred. One didn't take. Would love to find out just how much murdering I've been up to. Conservative Catholics and some Evangelicals don’t do IVF for that reason. So yeah, I can see there being a lockdown on that procedure in some states. But prospective parents shouldn’t worry - there will be some unfortunate woman/brood mare/handmaid nearby who has a child for them. Who needs IVF when someone else will be required to produce a baby for you?
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Post by mollycoddle on May 7, 2022 1:47:54 GMT
Erick Erickson has entered the chat.
In other words
“These women are hysterical. Why are we allowing them to vote?”
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Post by casii on May 7, 2022 2:14:43 GMT
Erick Erickson has entered the chat. In other words “These women are hysterical. Why are we allowing them to vote?” Fuck that guy.
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Post by Merge on May 7, 2022 2:21:20 GMT
Erick Erickson has entered the chat. In other words “These women are hysterical. Why are we allowing them to vote?” He should be forcibly castrated.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 7, 2022 4:39:05 GMT
Bobbitt!!
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Post by mollycoddle on May 7, 2022 8:35:01 GMT
And THIS guy from Idaho. WHAT?
So, later in the video he says that he “doesn’t know about” the IUD. You don’t get a pass for that. Women need to know that Republicans aren’t plotting to take away family planning. He does say that more care will have to be provided, but that he prefers private agencies to do that. I’m not sure what those agencies would be. Religious? 🤷♀️
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 9:58:08 GMT
And THIS guy from Idaho. WHAT? So, later in the video he says that he “doesn’t know about” the IUD. You don’t get a pass for that. Women need to know that Republicans aren’t plotting to take away family planning. He does say that more care will have to be provided, but that he prefers private agencies to do that. I’m not sure what those agencies would be. Religious? 🤷♀️ That is a valid point of their arguments. The people legislating these laws seems to have no idea how these things work. There is no " abortion" with an IUD simply because there was no fertilization to begin with. There is no "abortion" with a " morning after pill" as it instantly prevent fertilization by inhibition or delaying ovulation. Do these people not understand that one has to have live sperm and an ovulated egg that meets each other to enable fertilization. If one is missing or blocked fertilization is never going to happen. If it's never happened in the first place it can't be aborted. All birth control pills work in the same way - they inhibit or block the eggs of the woman.
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Post by casii on May 7, 2022 11:55:21 GMT
And THIS guy from Idaho. WHAT? So, later in the video he says that he “doesn’t know about” the IUD. You don’t get a pass for that. Women need to know that Republicans aren’t plotting to take away family planning. He does say that more care will have to be provided, but that he prefers private agencies to do that. I’m not sure what those agencies would be. Religious? 🤷♀️ That is a valid point of their arguments. The people legislating these laws seems to have no idea how these things work. There is no " abortion" with an IUD simply because there was no fertilization to begin with. There is no "abortion" with a " morning after pill" as it instantly prevent fertilization by inhibition or delaying ovulation. Do these people not understand that one has to have live sperm and an ovulated egg that meets each other to enable fertilization. If one is missing or blocked fertilization is never going to happen. If it's never happened in the first place it can't be aborted. All birth control pills work in the same way - they inhibit or block the eggs of the woman. Frankly I'm shocked some of these men can accidentally find their way into a vagina. They know so little about women and science.
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Post by hop2 on May 7, 2022 12:05:45 GMT
Erick Erickson has entered the chat. In other words “These women are hysterical. Why are we allowing them to vote?” It was only a matter of time until that was brought up. I did think it would take longer though. But float the idea early, pretend it’s a joke, wink wink and see where you can take it. If it doesn’t gain traction then manufacture some crisis to scare people into taking up the idea. It’s become the playbook for the GOP. Yes, this is the beginning of removing peoples rights. And not just women. Buckle up people. lucyg was always right we were doomed in 2016 I just was still an optimist then I guess I should hope my son likes the house I bought as since I’m divorced it might be his in a few years. If we don’t turn tides soon that’s what’s coming.
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Post by mollycoddle on May 7, 2022 14:55:21 GMT
And THIS guy from Idaho. WHAT? So, later in the video he says that he “doesn’t know about” the IUD. You don’t get a pass for that. Women need to know that Republicans aren’t plotting to take away family planning. He does say that more care will have to be provided, but that he prefers private agencies to do that. I’m not sure what those agencies would be. Religious? 🤷♀️ That is a valid point of their arguments. The people legislating these laws seems to have no idea how these things work. There is no " abortion" with an IUD simply because there was no fertilization to begin with. There is no "abortion" with a " morning after pill" as it instantly prevent fertilization by inhibition or delaying ovulation. Do these people not understand that one has to have live sperm and an ovulated egg that meets each other to enable fertilization. If one is missing or blocked fertilization is never going to happen. If it's never happened in the first place it can't be aborted. All birth control pills work in the same way - they inhibit or block the eggs of the woman. Maybe they hear “birth control” or “family planning” and it triggers a primitive part of their brains. Call it the “Caveman effect.” Understanding is optional. 🤷♀️
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 7, 2022 14:58:24 GMT
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Post by epeanymous on May 7, 2022 15:08:58 GMT
Erick Erickson has entered the chat. In other words “These women are hysterical. Why are we allowing them to vote?” Har har har. Man, I love being female right now.
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Post by epeanymous on May 7, 2022 15:10:54 GMT
That is a valid point of their arguments. The people legislating these laws seems to have no idea how these things work. There is no " abortion" with an IUD simply because there was no fertilization to begin with. There is no "abortion" with a " morning after pill" as it instantly prevent fertilization by inhibition or delaying ovulation. Do these people not understand that one has to have live sperm and an ovulated egg that meets each other to enable fertilization. If one is missing or blocked fertilization is never going to happen. If it's never happened in the first place it can't be aborted. All birth control pills work in the same way - they inhibit or block the eggs of the woman. Frankly I'm shocked some of these men can accidentally find their way into a vagina. They know so little about women and science. Weirdly these dudes do not all have ten kids so. I have six, and I used a lot of birth control over the years.
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Post by withapea on May 7, 2022 15:11:41 GMT
They ( legislators/forced-birthers ) don’t need to know how any of it works, it doesn’t matter. Crisis pregnancy centers have been propped up by my state for years and they’re enabled and in some instances required to lie to clients. Why are we saying heartbeat laws when there isn’t a heartbeat? They still assert that abortions cause breast cancer, that most women regret having abortions that they can lead to suicide and cause infertility, none of which are true. No mentions of maternal or infant mortality rates. Forced-birthers don’t give a f*ck, women are to be controlled and punished.
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Post by Merge on May 7, 2022 18:43:37 GMT
And THIS guy from Idaho. WHAT? So, later in the video he says that he “doesn’t know about” the IUD. You don’t get a pass for that. Women need to know that Republicans aren’t plotting to take away family planning. He does say that more care will have to be provided, but that he prefers private agencies to do that. I’m not sure what those agencies would be. Religious? 🤷♀️ That is a valid point of their arguments. The people legislating these laws seems to have no idea how these things work. There is no " abortion" with an IUD simply because there was no fertilization to begin with. There is no "abortion" with a " morning after pill" as it instantly prevent fertilization by inhibition or delaying ovulation. Do these people not understand that one has to have live sperm and an ovulated egg that meets each other to enable fertilization. If one is missing or blocked fertilization is never going to happen. If it's never happened in the first place it can't be aborted. All birth control pills work in the same way - they inhibit or block the eggs of the woman. A secondary effect of pills and hormonal IUDs is thinning the lining of the uterus and thickening mucus to make an environment hostile to the implantation of a fertilized egg, if one occurs. That is the function they term “abortion.” The private agency thing is bullshit. Private agencies can put strings on any help they provide, such as religious service attendance or ceasing co-habitation with a partner. They’re not bound by law to give accurate information or to protect privacy.
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