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Post by onelasttime on Jun 25, 2022 22:47:27 GMT
Well duh!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 25, 2022 23:29:40 GMT
Just remember Ben Franklin wrote instructions for home abortions in one of his booklets, which was very well received! [The book] starts to prescribe basically all of the best-known herbal abortifacients and contraceptives that were circulating at the time," Farrell said. "It's just sort of a greatest hits of what 18th-century herbalists would have given a woman who wanted to end a pregnancy early." "It's very explicit, very detailed, [and] also very accurate for the time in terms of what was known ... for how to end a pregnancy pretty early on." Including this information in a widely circulated guide for everyday life bears a significance to today's heated debate over access to abortion and contraception in the United States. In particular, the leaked Supreme Court opinion that would overturn Roe v. Wade and states that "a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the nation's histories and traditions." Farrell said the book was immensely popular, and she did not find any evidence of objections to the inclusion of the section. www.npr.org/2022/05/18/1099542962/abortion-ben-franklin-roe-wade-supreme-court-leak |
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 25, 2022 23:45:57 GMT
In one of the two decisions they referred to a decision from the 1600s to make their case. Seriously?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 25, 2022 23:54:04 GMT
Was that about the witches in England?
But England is NOT our history!!
Franklin's writings are.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2022 0:23:09 GMT
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 26, 2022 0:39:34 GMT
In one of the two decisions they referred to a decision from the 1600s to make their case. Seriously? Yes, seriously. Not just the 17th century. In Dobbs, Alito went as far back as the 13th century. I am not joking. It’s on page 3 of the majority opinion. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 26, 2022 0:45:58 GMT
In one of the two decisions they referred to a decision from the 1600s to make their case. Seriously? Yes, seriously. Not just the 17th century. In Dobbs, Alito went as far back as the 13th century. I am not joking. It’s on page 3 of the majority opinion. That's England's history, not American history. Franklin's booklet is America's. They keep adding in references to the Constitution ...Women are not in our Constitution!! Is Thomas taking himself back to 3/5ths? Interesting that he avoids mention of Loving v Virginia. NOT that I agree with the last two sentences... Just that he ignores them while suggesting the others. |
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 26, 2022 2:11:20 GMT
Was that about the witches in England? But England is NOT our history!! Franklin's writings are. They even did an SNL skit based on what he said. Something to think about in red states. I already have to travel almost four hours round trip for my son's specialists. Professionals are going to leave. This is only the beginning and I don't blame them at all. |
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 26, 2022 14:10:04 GMT
Congratulations to the Supreme Court, they just sent this country down a path where states will be fighting with each other. So much for the UNITED part in The United States…
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 26, 2022 14:16:51 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 26, 2022 18:42:54 GMT
Boy that’s the truth…
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 26, 2022 21:44:45 GMT
Dishonesty at its best…
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 26, 2022 21:56:34 GMT
I’m beginning to think this cartoon is right in that the American People need protection from the Supreme Court…
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 26, 2022 22:30:17 GMT
I have no problem saying the word abortion, but I disagree that changing the language is beneficial. I think it is more polarizing. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 26, 2022 23:00:54 GMT
This is why pro-choice tops pro-abortion!! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 26, 2022 23:03:38 GMT
And more....
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Post by sabrinae on Jun 26, 2022 23:27:26 GMT
Mention vasectomy in a room full of men and watch them unconsciously cross their legs. Seriously. Women go through any number of indignities just in the course of normal medical maintenance, but a penis is sacred. So, instead, we'll just see more murders of women who become inconveniently pregnant by the men who don't want to be saddled with the responsibility. I only wish I were being facetious.  FYI the penis isn't involved in a vasectomy whatsoever. And pretty much every single man I know over 40 has had one. Maybe things are different elsewhere, but here you have a kid or 2/3 and then the husband gets a vasectomy. That’s incredibly rare in some parts of the country. Here, many men view getting a vasectomy as an attack on their manhood. But, these are the same men who refuse to support the children they have. |
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Post by sabrinae on Jun 26, 2022 23:31:03 GMT
 I've asked a couple conservative friends who used IVF to have their kids what they think will happen to fertility treatments now. They just do not connect the dots.  Every one of my family/friends had a vasectomy after completing their family but the percent of men in the US who have them is shockingly low. One study shows only 10% of married couples use vasectomies for birth control in the US compared to 22% in Canada and the UK. For men 40-49, 57% have had vasectomies in the Canada, UK and New Zealand. I remember going over my medical history with a new PCP. None of the birth control options applied to me and partner's vasectomy wasn't even on her list.  I never could get my now 52 year old husband to actually get one. He’s deathly afraid of needles. Yes, he was in the wrong for dithering about it. Yes, I went through much more painful and invasive procedures during our childbearing years. Yes, I was mad. And yes, I was grateful that I had a medical need for a hysterectomy 2 years ago that made it a moot point. I haven’t been able to get my husband to do it either - despite the fact my last pregnancy nearly killed me. And, generally he’s very supportive. I haven’t been able to figure out why he won’t. I currently have an iud though so he may not have a choice cause chances are I soon won’t be able to get another one. |
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 26, 2022 23:44:01 GMT
What point is he trying to make here?
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Post by mimima on Jun 26, 2022 23:53:04 GMT
If they want to live out literature, we could choose Shakespeare's Lysistrata. It is the comic account of one woman's extraordinary mission to end the Peloponnesian War, as Lysistrata convinces the women of Greece to withhold sexual privileges from their husbands as a means of forcing the men to negotiate a peace. Also, donate to the Democratic National Committee. secure.actblue.com/donate/web-donateLysistrata predates Shakespeare by about 2,000 years en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysistrata |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 27, 2022 0:05:00 GMT
What point is he trying to make here? He never answered if it was ok for a 12 yr old who had been raped to carry her rapists fetus? And No, she many well not know she was pregnant as a 12 yr old!! Might not know at 4 months.... |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 27, 2022 0:12:14 GMT
Freedom convoy?!?!? Doesn't fit this thread..
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Post by future on Jun 27, 2022 0:24:57 GMT
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 27, 2022 0:30:03 GMT
What point is he trying to make here? He never answered if it was ok for a 12 yr old who had been raped to carry her rapists fetus? And No, she many well not know she was pregnant as a 12 yr old!! Might not know at 4 months.... When I was in practice, I had a lot of child molestation cases (victims under 14). In all but one of them, the defendant was a family member. In every case where the perpetrator was a family member, at some point, they stopped the victim from cooperating. Of course a lot of these girls won't know they are pregnant--the people who are assaulting them often are deliberately keeping them isolated and ignorant. Just now, it is going to be nearly impossible for those girls to avoid carrying the baby. |
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 27, 2022 0:38:33 GMT
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Post by Gem Girl on Jun 27, 2022 0:45:10 GMT
What point is he trying to make here? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that someone knows she was raped as it happens.... Sadly, a young victim might not have the words or frame of reference to call it that. And, for a young victim to be unaware that she had become pregnant as a result (which I assume is what he was trying to say) is very likely. This has a "feel" of blaming the victim, to me. I don't know if he's ignorant, heartless, or just ham-handed on camera. Maybe all of them. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 27, 2022 0:46:47 GMT
You bet!!
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Post by aj2hall on Jun 27, 2022 4:55:50 GMT
Trust or distrust whoever you want. But here are a couple of important facts 1. Biden has always supported a woman's choice apnews.com/article/supreme-court-abortion-ruling-reaction-699a24d04b6085bcfa80824f530782b02. He's struggled with abortion personally because of his religion and has been open about his views 3. The twice impeached former president changed his views on abortion to court pro-life voters 4. Not a fact but personally, I am OK with a president having an evolving view over a long 50 plus year history of public service. I wouldn't want a politician to be immobile and hold the same opinions 50 years later. Would you want a politician stuck in the 1970's? No thanks |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 27, 2022 5:02:27 GMT
aj2hallAgreed, but we have the SCOTUS quoting the 13th century witches comments to reverse R v W...
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 27, 2022 5:45:27 GMT
From the Insider…
“Alito said women seeking abortions should have to listen to distressing details about fetal development as 'part of the responsibility of moral choice'
And judges who rule on gun laws should have to personally view a scene of a mass shooting and go to the morgue and view the bodies riddled with bullet holes from the AR-15s so they can see what their decisions have helped to create.
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FYI the penis isn't involved in a vasectomy whatsoever. And pretty much every single man I know over 40 has had one. Maybe things are different elsewhere, but here you have a kid or 2/3 and then the husband gets a vasectomy. 
I've asked a couple conservative friends who used IVF to have their kids what they think will happen to fertility treatments now. They just do not connect the dots. 
