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Post by aj2hall on Jun 27, 2022 5:48:16 GMT
When even Boris Johnson calls something a "big step backwards", you know we're doing something wrong. www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/27/global-abortion-reproductive-rights-united-states-cautionary/Britain’s right-wing Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the decision “clearly has massive impacts on people’s thinking around the world” and called it a “big step backward.”On reproductive rights, the United States is now moving against the tide. “Over the past several decades, more than 50 countries have liberalized their abortion laws, according to the Center for Reproductive Rights, a global advocacy group that supports abortion rights,” my colleagues explained. “Only the United States, Poland and Nicaragua have reduced abortion access in the 21st century. Now many U.S. states are poised to enact much more restrictive laws than those in most other developed countries.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 27, 2022 6:17:00 GMT
From the Insider… “Alito said women seeking abortions should have to listen to distressing details about fetal development as 'part of the responsibility of moral choice' And judges who rule on gun laws should have to personally view a scene of a mass shooting and go to the morgue and view the bodies riddled with bullet holes from the AR-15s so they can see what their decisions have helped to create. After their stop at the morgue, they should view the photographs taken in the classroom with the bodies still there....
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 27, 2022 10:27:49 GMT
Republicans are trying to stem the outrage by talk of “murdering babies.” This is deliberate, but women know better. In November talk will be about inflation and high gas prices.
No one likes inflation, and we are all concerned about high energy prices. Several points to consider:
Inflation is happening worldwide. It will eventually pass. Republicans have no plan to deal with inflation, just like they had no plan to deal with healthcare. There is a very good chance that this SC will indeed go after contraception and gay marriage. Thomas gave the game away when he invited those lawsuits-and he put it in writing.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 27, 2022 12:20:54 GMT
From the Insider… “Alito said women seeking abortions should have to listen to distressing details about fetal development as 'part of the responsibility of moral choice' And judges who rule on gun laws should have to personally view a scene of a mass shooting and go to the morgue and view the bodies riddled with bullet holes from the AR-15s so they can see what their decisions have helped to create. That sounds like something that should be required of congressmen/women as well.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 27, 2022 13:04:38 GMT
I’m so sick of the Pollyanna pro-life advocates saying that people want abortion on demand u tik birth. That is not what is happening. Also, they act like NOW states will increase their resources to help women and children in need. A woman this morning (from a group that apparently has no online presence) said that “you don’t ask a fireman to put out a fire before it started.” Uh…those stated aren’t taking care of their women and children now. How are they going to increase that? Ugh. I am so pissed off.
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dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on Jun 27, 2022 13:27:51 GMT
I followed Gabrielle Blair's Twitter thread about spinning abortions back around to men and her book is coming out in October if anyone wants to read it. I plan to order a few copies: Ejaculate Responsibly.Highlights from her Twitter thread include: F them all.
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Post by compeateropeator on Jun 27, 2022 13:33:29 GMT
I am having a hard time understanding how those that support overturning Roe v Wade because it restores the freedom to choose back to the States where it should reside feel that is a valid argument? That, IMO, is the biggest crock of crap.
Freedom to choose means that each individual person gets to choose for themselves not depending on what state they live in. I guarantee no state has 100% agreement on this issue. What difference does moving it to the state level make? None. If you do not want an abortion do not get one. It is pretty cut and dry.
ETA - and I can point those that support this to a few countries ( hell, any country) where people could focus all of their every life is important and deserves to be saved energy on millions of actual breathing, living children that need saving…instead of only to a fetus that has the potential of becoming a child…and still not save them all.
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Post by naby64 on Jun 27, 2022 14:11:10 GMT
Sweet little 8 lb baby Jesus...the talk this morning in the counting room about the decision. Two ladies I work with and love to death but are deep Christians. Remember, church office. At least one could not stand the former but she will still have views of her faith.
My tongue is going to be so bloody. DH and I can't even discuss this at home. My DD and I had a really good bitch session on Saturday morning.
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Post by pinklady on Jun 27, 2022 14:11:16 GMT
I can’t wait for Gloria Allred to take on the first case for child support for a clump of cells in one of these backward hillbilly states.
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Post by pinklady on Jun 27, 2022 14:12:51 GMT
Sweet little 8 lb baby Jesus...the talk this morning in the counting room about the decision. Two ladies I work with and love to death but are deep Christians. Remember, church office. At least one could not stand the former but she will still have views of her faith. My tongue is going to be so bloody. DH and I can't even discuss this at home. My DD and I had a really good bitch session on Saturday morning. Why are you biting your tongue while they aren’t?
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Post by naby64 on Jun 27, 2022 14:15:51 GMT
Sweet little 8 lb baby Jesus...the talk this morning in the counting room about the decision. Two ladies I work with and love to death but are deep Christians. Remember, church office. At least one could not stand the former but she will still have views of her faith. My tongue is going to be so bloody. DH and I can't even discuss this at home. My DD and I had a really good bitch session on Saturday morning. Why are you biting your tongue while they aren’t? They are volunteers and I am not. I am a paid employee. They are not talking directly to me but having their own conversation. I will not butt in.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 27, 2022 15:02:52 GMT
I never could get my now 52 year old husband to actually get one. He’s deathly afraid of needles. Yes, he was in the wrong for dithering about it. Yes, I went through much more painful and invasive procedures during our childbearing years. Yes, I was mad. And yes, I was grateful that I had a medical need for a hysterectomy 2 years ago that made it a moot point. after I had a stroke and couldn't take BC pills any more, my partner (now-DH) would NOT even consider a vasectomy. The look on his face when I even suggested it- it's hard to describe-- like I had asked him to eat a live spider, or something. So I had a tubal ligation. (and, I found out much later that it hadn't been done properly, and we were extremely lucky for years that I hadn't gotten pregnant.) Thank goodness for my hysterectomy, too. I agree with what Gem Girl said- most men (at least in the US) would probably rather put a hot poker in their eyeball than have anyone mess with their 'manhood' in any way, shape, or form.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 27, 2022 15:26:59 GMT
From the Insider… “Alito said women seeking abortions should have to listen to distressing details about fetal development as 'part of the responsibility of moral choice' And judges who rule on gun laws should have to personally view a scene of a mass shooting and go to the morgue and view the bodies riddled with bullet holes from the AR-15s so they can see what their decisions have helped to create. I agree with this 100%. Some of those kids from Uvalde had to be identified with DNA. I’m sorry but the current SCOTUS majority really needs a wake up call as to what their horrible decisions will do to this country going forward.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 27, 2022 15:32:56 GMT
They don't care!!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 27, 2022 15:52:07 GMT
I can’t wait for Gloria Allred to take on the first case for child support for a clump of cells in one of these backward hillbilly states. I keep thinking something like this too. If they are going to force women to have babies they don’t want, then goddamnit the men/boys who got them that way ought to have a big stake in this thing too and should have to face the music too. I am so freaking sick of the fact that ALL of the responsibility ultimately lands on the women and girls to make damn sure they don’t end up pregnant, in spite of the fact that there are so many asshole loser Brocks out there who feel it is their god given right to do whatever they want to any woman they see, and then they still end up getting away with nothing more than a slap on the wrist after the fact because after all, they’re “just boys being boys” ya know. We need to start nailing these fuckers to the wall. Thankfully my family lives in a blue state (blue for now, the anti-choice crowd is doing all they can to take over our state legislature in November so they can pass some anti-choice laws here too), but even so all of this leaves me honestly wondering what I can do to help protect my 12 year old daughter. She is going to finish growing up in a country where she will have fewer rights and less bodily autonomy than I had at her age. Do I seriously have to think about putting my 12 year old on birth control on the off chance that she might someday be randomly date raped or assaulted by some entitled asshole and wind up pregnant? No woman can “plan” for that situation.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 27, 2022 16:29:28 GMT
The other day I saw a post asking for men to share how they were positively impacted by abortion as well. I wish that more men would stand up and advocate for choice. I, too, am sick of all of the responsibility ending up on the woman.
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Post by mellyw on Jun 27, 2022 16:32:55 GMT
I never could get my now 52 year old husband to actually get one. He’s deathly afraid of needles. Yes, he was in the wrong for dithering about it. Yes, I went through much more painful and invasive procedures during our childbearing years. Yes, I was mad. And yes, I was grateful that I had a medical need for a hysterectomy 2 years ago that made it a moot point. after I had a stroke and couldn't take BC pills any more, my partner (now-DH) would NOT even consider a vasectomy. The look on his face when I even suggested it- it's hard to describe-- like I had asked him to eat a live spider, or something. So I had a tubal ligation. (and, I found out much later that it hadn't been done properly, and we were extremely lucky for years that I hadn't gotten pregnant.) Thank goodness for my hysterectomy, too. I agree with what Gem Girl said- most men (at least in the US) would probably rather put a hot poker in their eyeball than have anyone mess with their 'manhood' in any way, shape, or form. My DH had a vasectomy at 26. I know several other former/retired military who did the same. I’ve always wondered if the squeamish men even understand how easy and not invasive the procedure is. Not judging, we all have our medical hang ups
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 27, 2022 17:53:44 GMT
Well this is interesting considering the state.
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 27, 2022 17:54:52 GMT
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Post by nightnurse on Jun 27, 2022 18:44:09 GMT
This ruling is so infuriating! I look forward to all the Muslim prayers and pagan prayers said at the 50 yard line, and the calm acceptance of these by the religious right
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 27, 2022 19:45:33 GMT
This ruling is so infuriating! I look forward to all the Muslim prayers and pagan prayers said at the 50 yard line, and the calm acceptance of these by the religious right I know it was their plan for a LOT of years, and it's been a lot of years in the making-- but man, our slide back to the 1950s seems to be really steep / quick, now that it's actually happening.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 27, 2022 21:30:44 GMT
This ruling is so infuriating! I look forward to all the Muslim prayers and pagan prayers said at the 50 yard line, and the calm acceptance of these by the religious right I know it was their plan for a LOT of years, and it's been a lot of years in the making-- but man, our slide back to the 1950s seems to be really steep / quick, now that it's actually happening. It’s amazing how fast things can turn on a dime once they were able to pack the courts. This kind of thing has me almost as incensed as repealing Roe because there is NO PLACE for that in a public school. NONE. If that dude really wanted to lead his team in prayer, then he should have gotten a job coaching at a private school! If my kid would have been on that team I would have been livid.
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Post by mikewozowski on Jun 27, 2022 21:38:00 GMT
men who won't get a vasectomy instead of having their wives have major surgery are pussies.
it is such a minor procedure and they will be good as new in a couple days.
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 27, 2022 23:16:31 GMT
Well duh!
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 27, 2022 23:19:50 GMT
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Post by AussieMeg on Jun 27, 2022 23:28:51 GMT
What. The Actual. Fuck?! Prayer at a football match?! The thought of this ever EVER happening here is just laughable. I am speechless.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 27, 2022 23:44:43 GMT
I know it was their plan for a LOT of years, and it's been a lot of years in the making-- but man, our slide back to the 1950s seems to be really steep / quick, now that it's actually happening. It’s amazing how fast things can turn on a dime once they were able to pack the courts. This kind of thing has me almost as incensed as repealing Roe because there is NO PLACE for that in a public school. NONE. If that dude really wanted to lead his team in prayer, then he should have gotten a job coaching at a private school! If my kid would have been on that team I would have been livid. There is a team in our conference that does this. Last year when we played at their field, as soon as the game ended the coach called our team over. Everyone got into a huddle/circle in the middle of the field. I asked DS what they were saying and he said the other teams coach was praying. The next time we played them our coach told our kids to huddle on their own, not with the prayer.
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Post by aj2hall on Jun 27, 2022 23:54:10 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 28, 2022 0:42:11 GMT
This ruling is so infuriating! I look forward to all the Muslim prayers and pagan prayers said at the 50 yard line, and the calm acceptance of these by the religious right I cannot find the answer to this. Does the school district have to give this religious zealot his job back? I have looked in several articles and can’t find anything. The man did say that he would love to have his job back. But surely he has been replaced after 2 years.
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Post by aj2hall on Jun 28, 2022 2:11:15 GMT
This ruling is so infuriating! I look forward to all the Muslim prayers and pagan prayers said at the 50 yard line, and the calm acceptance of these by the religious right I cannot find the answer to this. Does the school district have to give this religious zealot his job back? I have looked in several articles and can’t find anything. The man did say that he would love to have his job back. But surely he has been replaced after 2 years. He said he wanted it back, I'm not sure if the school board is obligated to offer it to him?
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