iluvpink
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Jul 13, 2014 12:40:31 GMT
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Post by iluvpink on Jul 27, 2022 0:28:46 GMT
lucig same here. Supplies are requested, but if parents don’t send them they schools don’t supply them. How do parents expect children to learn with no paper, pencils, etc? I totally understand if you can’t afford it, but if you can spend $6 a week on the snow cone truck, you can afford a pack of paper, some pencils, a box of crayons and a box of tissues. I think the school district should be paying for supplies. You don’t ask admins to buy their own paper and printer ink. Why should students? If field trips are required for learning, then the district ought to be paying for it. In my post I mentioned that we didn't have to pay for much, but field trips was one of them. And that bothered me. In elementary school there were usually 2-4 field trips per year. And in 4th grade one was rather expensive (I can't remember how much as it was so long ago but I want to say between $75 and $100). This was during the recession and our area was really hard hit and my husband is in the home construction business. Those fees really got to me. They did say if you needed help to let the school know, but we scraped up the money each time. In 8th grade they did an overnight field trip to Chicago with hotel etc. And I had to chaperone due to dd's health issues. I mean technically I could have insisted they send a trained aide, per her IEP but nobody would have been comfortable with that, including me. So I was paying the fee x 2. Thankfully things had much improved for us financially by then. Two years before when I heard of it, I was rather nervous thinking how to afford it. Again, they did say they would cover it if needed, but you had to sell little caesar's pizza kits etc and that would have only been for dd, not my cost.
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johnnysmom
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Jun 25, 2014 21:16:33 GMT
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Post by johnnysmom on Jul 27, 2022 0:31:52 GMT
Virtually nothing, I presume it’s because we’re a title 1 district.
There are no sports/extracurricular fees though often the teams will get matching warm up tshirts which each kid pays for (uniforms are loaned at no charge).
School pictures are taken for free but if parents want to buy photos/downloads/yearbooks there is a charge of course.
Breakfast has been free for all for years, this coming year lunch will also be free for all (due to the % of those qualifying for free/reduced).
Depending on the class/grade there may be a small charge for a field trip (once a year), under $10 and there’s money available if a kid can’t afford it.
No cost for books, tech devices (though there is a charge for damaged devices but it’s rarely enforced), labs, etc.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 27, 2022 0:34:24 GMT
lucig same here. Supplies are requested, but if parents don’t send them they schools don’t supply them. How do parents expect children to learn with no paper, pencils, etc? I totally understand if you can’t afford it, but if you can spend $6 a week on the snow cone truck, you can afford a pack of paper, some pencils, a box of crayons and a box of tissues. I think the supplies are pooled, at least for the lower grades. I try to send extras when possible. Not sure about MS/HS. There are some organizations that take donations and fill backpacks with supplies for foster kids, needy kids, etc. I'm sure the teachers have to fill in gaps as needed. That’s probably okay when there are only a few kids who need help, but what about in really disadvantaged communities? You guys can’t do it all.
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Post by littlemama on Jul 27, 2022 0:35:58 GMT
Pay to participate fees for sports. School supplies. That's it. It is public school, everything school related should be covered. it should be, but public education is woefully underfunded Oh, I am well aware. That's why I said "should", not "would".
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misse336
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Feb 24, 2020 2:57:43 GMT
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Post by misse336 on Jul 27, 2022 0:42:35 GMT
lucig same here. Supplies are requested, but if parents don’t send them they schools don’t supply them. How do parents expect children to learn with no paper, pencils, etc? I totally understand if you can’t afford it, but if you can spend $6 a week on the snow cone truck, you can afford a pack of paper, some pencils, a box of crayons and a box of tissues. I think the school district should be paying for supplies. You don’t ask admins to buy their own paper and printer ink. Why should students? If field trips are required for learning, then the district ought to be paying for it. While I agree with everything you said on principle, there never seems to be enough money to go around in many districts. The fact that each state funds their schools differently/gives different amounts of funding to school districts is also not helping the problem - especially as districts in poorer areas and/or Title One school seem to get less funding from property taxes and have parents able to contribute the least amount to their education. In my district and the district my kids attend thankfully there are super basic supplies provided for students (ie-crayons/some pencils/glue/paper/ scissors), but not really extras beyond that. For example; I have some guided reading books in my room that were there before I moved into the district 6 years ago, but I haven't gotten new books since I've been there. Research is finding that decodable readers are more effective for the lowest level and struggling readers to learn to read - which is who I teach - but I don't have them in my classroom provided by the district. I've bought some printable ones online and found a few printable free ones online that I've been using. I've also bought a few single copies to send home so they can practice and show their parents their progress, but I don't really have enough for the variety of levels and number of students I see each day. I'd love to buy more, but was hit with some home repair and car repair bills this summer - plus will have a large book/supply/tuition bill coming due soon for my child. My classroom library is all comprised of books I've brought in from my kids/bought myself. My principal is awesome/super supportive, but can only give the money that the district has to give.
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misse336
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Post by misse336 on Jul 27, 2022 0:54:34 GMT
I think the school district should be paying for supplies. You don’t ask admins to buy their own paper and printer ink. Why should students? If field trips are required for learning, then the district ought to be paying for it. In my post I mentioned that we didn't have to pay for much, but field trips was one of them. And that bothered me. In elementary school there were usually 2-4 field trips per year. And in 4th grade one was rather expensive (I can't remember how much as it was so long ago but I want to say between $75 and $100). This was during the recession and our area was really hard hit and my husband is in the home construction business. Those fees really got to me. They did say if you needed help to let the school know, but we scraped up the money each time. In 8th grade they did an overnight field trip to Chicago with hotel etc. And I had to chaperone due to dd's health issues. I mean technically I could have insisted they send a trained aide, per her IEP but nobody would have been comfortable with that, including me. So I was paying the fee x 2. Thankfully things had much improved for us financially by then. Two years before when I heard of it, I was rather nervous thinking how to afford it. Again, they did say they would cover it if needed, but you had to sell little caesar's pizza kits etc and that would have only been for dd, not my cost. WOW! When I mentioned paying for field trips, they only go on one (or two) per year and I think the most I was asked to send in was $20. Our field trips are all day trips that are fairly local (museums/zoos/state capital/etc), except when they went to an outdoor educational camp their last year in elementary school and I think it was $60-ish for 2 nights. I haven't gotten to senior class trips (if they still go on those?) yet though so I'm not sure what they would cost, although I know they aren't overnight.
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Post by epeanymous on Jul 27, 2022 1:40:13 GMT
My kids have attended six different public elementary schools in our city (long story) and they have varied *wildly.* At the more affluent ones, the expected annual donation to the school is $500/child. At those schools, you also generally pay $60-100 for a supply box per child. A lot of school activities require a participation fee, usually for supplies or event admissions. At the lower-income schools, we haven't been asked for money for anything.
At the middle and high school levels, all extracurricular stuff have required various levels of $ for participation, but the schools have not had the same donation demand (it is more of a genuine ask).
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Post by stormsts on Jul 27, 2022 1:57:24 GMT
I am in Indiana. I have grandchildren in elementary school. The registration fees range from $112 - $125 depending on the grade for our school corporation . Middle school and high school fees are based on the classes. The past two years meals have been free, this year they are going back to charging for breakfast and lunch. School supplies are provided. This started at the beginning of the 2020-2021 school year. Before that you had to provide all supplies.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 27, 2022 1:58:37 GMT
Lunch ( duh ) although I’m all for all students getting lunch included
Chrome book insurance $35 ish I think Extra curricular activities ( lots of money for bands - but fees were reduced for low income families AND there always had ways to earn it without spending out of pocket ) Band instrument ( although there are ways around that) SAT fee ( but the SAT was optional and not during school ) *Graduation cap & gown that had to be returned that same day- I really hated that there was a fee for this I mean literally everything else had always been provided but I’ve never heard of anyone missing graduation because of the fee, I just objected on principle. I mean yeah we paid it but it annoyed the stuffing out of me.
Bussing $0 Books $0 Science lab fees $0 PSAT fee $0 given during school AP test fees $0 Art class required supply fee $0 ( but mine spent money on extras ) Wood shop required supply fee $0 ( but mine had to get special wood )
Very very few required things have a cost here.
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Post by ntsf on Jul 27, 2022 2:14:31 GMT
I got in a big fight with the school when my child on an iep wanted to go to week long outdoor ed class trip and they refused to provide extra staff to support her. they threatened me in an indirect way that if I persisted in getting her support, they would cancel the trip and tell everyone why. so I let her go.. and then on the last night got a call at 9 pm.. to drive 3 hours to pick her up.. and she would miss the cave exploration the next day. I did pick her up.. but was so so mad. apparently, my child corrected staff (high school students) on their knowledge of the outdoors and ecology.. and they did not accommodate her needs so she had a melt down.
kids on ieps are to be given appropriate support for free under the law.
then the next year, the middle school wanted to charge me $100 for an extra set of textbooks at home. I refused to pay that, as I am in CA and they can't charge kids for anything.
field trips were mostly on city buses.. which were free for students.. and to museums, that were free for student.
I believe that schools and all activities except extras like athletics should be free.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2022 2:16:19 GMT
150 for middle school. 400 for high school. Waiver if low income...so unfair to charge for public school.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jul 27, 2022 3:03:37 GMT
Most schools do “find a way” to get supplies for those who don’t bring them. The way is called “the teacher”, who spends her own money from a ridiculously insufficient salary to buy supplies for those who don’t. It is noticed if Johnny didn’t bring supplies because when there are 25 children in the class and only 5 brought supplies some will not have a pair of scissors or a glue stick when they need them. No one will know WHICH children didn’t bring supplies, but it will be obvious many did not. I guess one child could cut and glue while the others wait their turn, but it would take hours to do one cut and paste activity. So, rather than have that situation the teacher goes to the store and buys what’s missing. It’s for this reason that whenever possible, I have picked up extras of whatever is affordable and send them in to my kid’s homeroom prior to the first day of school. If the teacher sees that someone is missing something they will have some extras to give out. In elementary it was easier because pre-Covid the classrooms would share supplies but now my kid is in middle school + Covid so they don’t share anything anymore. Last year, my kid mentioned that some kids in her math class didn’t have the required calculator so DH emailed the teacher and asked how many calculators he would need so every kid would have one to use in class. He said he could use about eight and they were around $15-20 each. DH ordered a dozen of them and sent them in with DD to school and her teacher was so grateful. We try to help where we can. I’m in MN too and there isn’t a lot that we are asked to pay for. Our kid has her own personal Chromebook so I’m not sure if the other kids are asked to pay an insurance fee or not. Our area just passed a technology levy on property taxes so every child in the district could have a device assigned 1:1 that they can use every day and that the older kids can take home. The younger kids get iPads, the older kids get Chromebooks if they don’t have their own. We have to pay for our kid’s school breakfast and/or lunch if she doesn’t bring food from home (last year was free for everybody), field trips for buses or admission fees, we have to provide an instrument (our kid is in band, we bought her instrument outright but many families rent them), school supplies and gym clothes/shoes, two combination locks for band and gym lockers. That’s about it. There are additional fees for extracurricular activities like sports, after school clubs, yearbooks. I will say that our district has very strong PTA groups that raise tens of thousands of dollars a year which pays for a lot of extras.
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wellway
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Post by wellway on Jul 27, 2022 7:03:56 GMT
My experience here in the UK is Primary school, age 4 to 11, all supplies made available by the school, pens, papers, paints, glue sticks, library books etc etc. The only thing we had to pay for were school trips. Where the trip was a chance to play sports at the nearest big school or visit a local historical site, often a group of mums drove the class to the location. All drivers passed an insurance and police check. We're talking trips less than 15 miles, not cost effective to hire a bus. The school I was involved with organised a week away, Monday to Friday, for the final two years groups, age 10/11. One year it was animal based, the second year adventure based. In our school, part of the pupil premium funding was kept aside to pay for children where money was an issue. No kid was left out because of a lack of money. We had a PTA and we raised funds for a "nice to have" list that the headteacher put together with his staff. Secondary school ages 11-16, supplies made available by school. I think we had to buy a calculator and it was optional to buy revision aids. A level college, ages 16-18, first time I had to buy school books and make a contribution to photocopying. For primary and secondary school children, the government make available additional funding called pupil premium to help disadvantaged children. For example, a child who is entitled to free school meals would be eligible for pupil premium funding. It is paid to the school and they can use the money to benefit that child but not exclusively. They can pool all the funding and pay for a dedicated teacher or other resources. www.gov.uk/government/publications/pupil-premium/pupil-premium
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Post by fkawitchypea on Jul 27, 2022 10:09:37 GMT
In NY and historically only school lunches and field trips. Now all kids get free breakfast and lunch (might have been covid funds, ds graduated last year). Field trips were always fundraised by the PTSA and available to those who couldn't afford it. Chromebooks are provided by the school at no cost.
I am surprised reading about the number of fees parents have to pay in other states.
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Post by tc on Jul 27, 2022 13:12:33 GMT
Most schools do “find a way” to get supplies for those who don’t bring them. The way is called “the teacher”, who spends her own money from a ridiculously insufficient salary to buy supplies for those who don’t. It is noticed if Johnny didn’t bring supplies because when there are 25 children in the class and only 5 brought supplies some will not have a pair of scissors or a glue stick when they need them. No one will know WHICH children didn’t bring supplies, but it will be obvious many did not. I guess one child could cut and glue while the others wait their turn, but it would take hours to do one cut and paste activity. So, rather than have that situation the teacher goes to the store and buys what’s missing. Yes, I realize teachers are covering the gap. It's why I donate to our school's classrooms. Why I donate to teachers in our area in other schools. Why I donate to Pea's teacher wish lists. Why I donate to to teacher wish lists from other places I have lived. I realize it's unfair and should not be required of teachers to cover the gap. But I'm saying, when they ask for 48 pencils per child, 12 glue sticks per child, 2 boxes of markers per child, 4 boxes of crayons per child, and they stopped asking for scissors because they already had drawers full - and then when we go on back to school night and dump our 48 or more pencils in a bin of hundreds of other pencils, there's pencils. When we dump our 12 glue sticks in a bin with hundreds of other glue sticks, there's glue. And the teachers my kid has had in past years put out another request for items the classroom is running low on with the first semester conference info. Parents and guardians sign up to fill those slots. I also realize that kids are hard on supplies - or at least mine I know is. But I also don't think he's using up 48 pencils himself a year. I also realize the area I live in and that the majority of the families in the area aren't struggling. It's why I try to find a couple of teachers to support through our local "Adopt A Teacher" group who are working in low income schools and buy them basics to support their classroom like pencils, crayons, glue, etc. as they dictate their needs from their wish lists. I worked in education for a time and have a degree in English Education. I remember running out of copy paper for the whole school on day 3 of the year. It's unfair, unnecessary, and shouldn't be happening. I was right out of college and had zero money. Hadn't even been paid yet for teaching (I had another night job to make ends meet). I couldn't afford to go buy paper to copy off worksheets or guides for my students. Reading this back I sound defensive. I apologize for that. I'm just trying to share more of my story.
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rtwig
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Jul 11, 2014 14:34:34 GMT
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Post by rtwig on Jul 27, 2022 13:32:34 GMT
What you saw about Indiana is correct. Here is what our account shows.
2nd grader - $117.06 6th grader - $213.81
We moved here from Illinois five years ago. It was less expensive there, but not free.
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Post by Merge on Jul 27, 2022 13:42:36 GMT
I’m just going to drop the information here that if you live in a state that wants to fund charters and private schools under the guise of “school choice,” you will soon be paying a lot more to attend that public school.
People don’t think through the fact that if a public elementary school has 20 kids in K-6 opt out and take their voucher money elsewhere, the school can’t just contract its budget by a similar amount. We still need to the same number of teachers. We still have the same costs to keep the building open. We just now have less money to do all that with. The difference will be made up in fees for the kids who remain - there’s no way around it, unless you want the quality of public school offerings to degrade.
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Post by candygurl on Jul 27, 2022 13:47:59 GMT
School supplies Field trips Extra curricular activities
That’s it…if one can’t afford the PTA can supply or pay for items need be.
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Post by bianca42 on Jul 27, 2022 14:28:55 GMT
In NY and historically only school lunches and field trips. Now all kids get free breakfast and lunch (might have been covid funds, ds graduated last year). Field trips were always fundraised by the PTSA and available to those who couldn't afford it. Chromebooks are provided by the school at no cost. I am surprised reading about the number of fees parents have to pay in other states. The NY free lunch expired, so we have to pay for school lunches again after them being free for a few years. My kids aren't in sports, so I don't know if there are any fees for that. We do have to pay for school supplies. Every child is issued a Chromebook. I had to pay for a broken screen last year because my son dropped his in the first few weeks. I paid the bill because I can, but wrote a long letter along with my payment about how they are setting the kids up for failure making them carry all their books & the Chromebook but not allowing backpacks in school. DS said when he was getting his fixed, there was a whole line of kids with broken screens. Not sure if it was related to my letter, but backpacks were allowed the following week. Unfortunately, the kids were supposed to bring their Chromebooks home over the summer. The same child "left his in homeroom" and nobody can find it yet. So, I'll probably end up paying for a replacement Chromebook.
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Post by cynipidae17 on Jul 27, 2022 14:37:07 GMT
I live in ND. We pay for lunch, morning milk, sports fees and school supplies. My kids have never taken a bus, but we don't pay for that either.
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Post by agengr2004 on Jul 27, 2022 14:49:02 GMT
Texas here - we have to start paying for lunches again and that's the only thing I pay for my son's elementary school. He's issued an Ipad instead of a Chromebook and most of their afterschool clubs are subsidized by local grants and organizations.
For my daughters middle school - Last year I paid around $400 for band (fees, rentals, trips, etc.), $20 for her dance uniforms, and $20 for her NISD dues. Her school requires uniforms and athletics and we have to pay for those. They are issued Chromebooks, but they are awful, so she uses her personal laptop for most of her schoolwork.
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artbabe
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Jun 26, 2014 1:59:10 GMT
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Post by artbabe on Jul 27, 2022 15:54:00 GMT
Where I teach there is a $30.00 school fee. There is no supply list- the school pays for all supplies. We can suggest but we can't require. Not even pencils. It is crazy. That's it. I can't believe people have to pay such high fees in other states.
In middle school pay-to-play fees are $75 per sport. I think they are $100 at the high school but I'm not sure.
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