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Post by MichyM on Oct 28, 2022 18:10:43 GMT
I have a lot of dye ink cubes. A LOT. Altenew (like that they offer more subdued versions of some colors), Pink Fresh, Gina K, Stamp Market, Concord and 9th, and then some Ranger (which I do not like). I really only use them for ink blending and the occasional watercolor.
As I start to use them up I'd like to start replacing with full-sized versions (quicker to ink up my brush or blending tool) but I'm trying to figure out which brand to go with. I don't dislike any of them other than Ranger, and for me, there is no clear winner - however I am leaning towards a brand that uses foam pads simply because they're juicier and easier to load up my brush.
If you've committed to a dye ink brand or two, how did you come to your decision? Any regrets? Anything else you think I should consider?
Thanks so much!
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Post by GiantsFan on Oct 28, 2022 19:19:35 GMT
I have all the TH Distress Ink in mini's and I'm slowly buying a select few in full size. They don't stamp well but I like doing techniques and they're perfect for it.
I like the colors of GinaK and Lawn Fawn inks. While I have some overlap in colors, these two brands combined (with a few HA and MFT thrown in) give me a good palette. I mostly grab for the GinaK first.
I'm starting a collection of Taylored Expressions ink with more muted colors.
I have never used Altenew inks. My foam pad experience is from C&9th and another brand that I can't think of right now. To me they are too juicy and my stamp gets too icky for my liking. Not a fan.
IMO which ever brand you reach for first when creating is the one you should buy.
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Post by pinklady on Oct 28, 2022 19:28:56 GMT
I have a lot of cubes too. I wanted full size pads that had a variety of core colors but not an overwhelming variety because I have a major case of full set syndrome. I went with Gina K for a few of reasons: 1) Smaller spectrum of basic colors, 2) felt pad, 3) cost taking into consideration shipping charges. I love Altenew inks but there are too many colors to get the full set. I just don't have room for that. I feel the same way about Pink Fresh Studio and Hero Arts (although HA seems to have streamlined their ink line). When I got the Concord & 9th full size pads at Crop & Create, I found that I really liked the way the foam pads stamped. However, I don't think they have a good variety of core colors. I feel like they are severely lacking in orange, yellow, true blue and purple colors. I've heard nothing but good things about The Stamp Market foam pads but I think they may be expanding their colors spectrum too much. The last release just seemed like overkill of blue and greens. They've also raised their free shipping threshold to $125. I know shipping is expensive but if I'm spending $75 with your company, I think you should give me free shipping. Also, I have purchased a few Taylored Expressions full size pads in colors that I don't have in any other brand. I really like their inks but they are felt pads. One thing I cannot recommend enough is that you swatch EVERY one of your ink colors. Also, make sure you swatch on good paper not cheap paper. This will tell you which companies have the same colors. It's my understanding that many ink colors are used by the same companies just branded differently. If you don't swatch, definitely watch this Jennifer McGuire video: www.jennifermcguireink.com/2014/03/video-ink-swatch-book.htmlShe has free downloads for most inks/brands and there is an editable file as well. www.jennifermcguireink.com/2014/03/even-more-free-ink-swatch-downloads.html If you search ink swatch on her website, there are ton of other videos. I cannot stress enough how great this swatch system is especially when creating. If I had it to do all over again, I might pick colors (from my cubes/manufacturers) that I like and buy full size pads in each giving me a wide variety of full size colors. If I had started mixing and matching full size pads from the beginning it may have cured my full set syndrome. Picking from swatches would make this super easy.
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Post by MichyM on Oct 28, 2022 20:41:35 GMT
I have all the TH Distress Ink in mini's and I'm slowly buying a select few in full size. They don't stamp well but I like doing techniques and they're perfect for it. I like the colors of GinaK and Lawn Fawn inks. While I have some overlap in colors, these two brands combined (with a few HA and MFT thrown in) give me a good palette. I mostly grab for the GinaK first. I'm starting a collection of Taylored Expressions ink with more muted colors. I have never used Altenew inks. My foam pad experience is from C&9th and another brand that I can't think of right now. To me they are too juicy and my stamp gets too icky for my liking. Not a fan. IMO which ever brand you reach for first when creating is the one you should buy.
Thank you so much. The problem with the part I bolded is that I choose by color, not brand And I'm kind of the opposite of you I think. I primarily use my dye inks for blending and watercolor techniques. I stamp with them far less of the time. Decision...decisions...
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Post by MichyM on Oct 28, 2022 20:49:40 GMT
Wow, super helpful info pinklady, thank you. You sound like an inky girl to me! Off to check out the links.
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Post by Embri on Oct 28, 2022 21:36:14 GMT
I'm a crafty opportunist so I'll offer the unpopular opinion of: Get whatever colours you like best, and ignore brands. Mix and match. Unless you need hand-holding through the colour selection and creative process, there's no reason to get a full set of anything unless it's a phenomenal deal financially (someone's offering you their set for a fraction of new cost for example) or you absolutely love that brand's performance, which it doesn't sound like you care much as long as it's not Ranger. So buy what's on sale, buy what's available, buy what you need and love. It's okay to have a mish-mash of brands and styles of tools. Your creations will be just as lovely, if not more so, and no one is going to know or care what made them.
Edit: To tack onto pinklady's excellent post, yes, white-label products are a whole industry. They're manufactured without specific packaging or branding and then shopped around to various companies who can then add their own final details. This is extremely common in the crafting industry because of the wide variety of products we use.
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Post by cmpeter on Oct 28, 2022 22:24:50 GMT
I have maybe half of Simon Says Stamp Positively Saturate felt pads. They do require re-inking more often than dye pads. I own all of Gina's and Pink Fresh inks in cubes. But, want more full size pads.
I'm waiting on Pink Fresh to restock their full collection of full size pads and then plan to go with those.
I like their quads of colors, feel like the overall range is more manageable than Altenew (and I'm not a fan of their oval pads).
Gina's inks are great...but I'll stick with cubes for hers and use those for traveling to crops.
I fill in with other brands if I feel I'm missing a color.
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Post by joblackford on Oct 29, 2022 1:19:54 GMT
I like the Catherine Pooler inks for colored stamping, blending, direct to paper to make my own cardstock/color die cuts, etc. I bought them because they were recommended by a couple of crafters I follow, the colors spoke to me, and they were available in coordinated bundles and a mini size that isn't a cube. I don't like cubes very much - they're too small and dry up too fast - and I don't have space for many full sized pads. I was able to buy a few sets that go together well without taking up excessive amounts of space. I didn't really try any other inks except Distress Oxides.
I'd be inclined to pick the colors you love regardless of brand and/or choose the stores/companies you like to support. In the end it doesn't much matter. The ink is not much different between different companies anyway and it sounds like you've proven that you like almost all the ones you've tried. The size and shape of the pads and styles of the lids might be a bigger factor to consider, and price/availability.
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Post by MichyM on Oct 29, 2022 18:36:40 GMT
I hadn't thought about the size and shape of the pads. Thanks for reminding me of that cmpeter and joblackford. Eventually I will likely get ink pad holders, so they'll need to fit (well) into one of those. One of the reasons that I want to (primarily) stick to one brand of stamps (and then fill in holes here and there with other brand's cubes or full sized pads) is that I can tend to get full-sized syndrome too. If I limit myself, it will not be a bad thing! I also really like using graduated colors on some projects, so regardless of what I choose, those 3-4 cube sets will find places in my stash as well.
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Post by angel97701 on Nov 7, 2022 22:38:54 GMT
From my experience many of the stamp companies will use one of the "big three" to manufacture their ink to color and specification. Ranger, Stewart Superior, and Tsukineko. Each company has their strengths. Ranger does collections for particular artists.
The biggest question is how do you use your inks? For blending and stencils? For stamping? Or for mixed media applications?
I've been on the design team for Tsukineko, or the Americas distributor Imagine (Crafts) for 5 years. I have most of their inks and formulations. I find that certain inks are better for different applications. If they are for scrapbooking I do make sure that they are pigment, as that is more archival and won't fade like pigment based inks.
My new favorite is the Versa Fine Clair inks which are pigment based that stamp very cleanly. For blending I stick with the pigment based as well. Dye based inks are great for stamping and layering for cards.
I've tried to research who Hero Arts, Catherine Pooler, Altenew, etc use. But it is hard to tell. They change the packaging. Pigment inks will usually have clear tops, and dye based will not. But this is not set in stone rule. Smaller pads will always dry out faster. Stamping Up and Close to my Heart most likely use one of the big three as well.
Don't know if that helps, but gives you something to think about . . .
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Post by Embri on Nov 7, 2022 22:58:03 GMT
...sure that they are pigment, as that is more archival and won't fade like pigment based inks. Was one of those supposed to be dye instead? Or am I having a reading comprehension fail moment? Either is possible.
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Post by angel97701 on Nov 8, 2022 0:34:49 GMT
...sure that they are pigment, as that is more archival and won't fade like pigment based inks. Was one of those supposed to be dye instead? Or am I having a reading comprehension fail moment? Either is possible. Yes! Sorry for the confusion! Dye based inks will fade in the sun.
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Post by kiavonne on Nov 8, 2022 3:49:10 GMT
It is hard to figure where to start or end up, and usually ends up in the direction of what you are used to working with. Well, that's my theory, anyway.
My first inks were black inks and embossing ink. I didn't know what brand to buy, I went with what the gal whose videos I was binge watching used. So, a memento black ink pad and versamark, respectively. Then I started looking for card making videos, and landed among the Stampin' Up! crowd. On a whim, I joined just to get some product I was looking at, and over 3 years ended up with all their core inks and papers (they have 40 core colors, and I definitely have full set syndrome, by the way). Not that it is a bad thing, I actually like them. What I didn't like was their add 5 and take away 5 every year gimmick. So, I started looking at other companies, too. Right now, I just completed my distress inks and oxides pads collection (as far as it has gone thus far). I find myself loving the 72 color selection of Distress, but I also still love my foam pads from Stampin' Up! and I do a lot of mixing and matching. I figure I can get away with it with the Distress Inks and Stampin' Up! as they are all dye based. So far, so good. I haven't done too much with oxides, yet, though it is my understanding oxides blend better.
I don't know where Stampin' Up! orders their inks from, but they make the claim they manufacture just about everything in house, and I know they add a defoaming agent to their inks, maybe after receiving ordered product from an outside manufacture. Supposedly make their own paper too, but I think more it is more likely they order it up to specification and cut it in house. No clue, honestly.
So, between the Distress Inks and oxides and the Stampin' Up! inks, I'm ok with what I'm working with, but they are what I have learned with over time. If I go out trying Simon Says Stamps inks or Catherine Pooler or some such, I am likely to end up with another entire collection of inks. I'm holding off on that, and working with what I know for now.
As for stamp pad holders, I went with Best Craft Organizer Standard cases, and got three in white from Scrapbook.com, they hold my Stampin' Up! pads perfectly. They also hold my Memento, Versamark, and full sized Distress Archival pads (Tim Holtz Distress line is by Ranger). When I decided to grab all the Distress and oxide inks, I bought another three standard cases in black along with the short pad inserts to house the oxides. The Distrss Inks I got in the minis, so I have the tins for those, but I'll likely end up with the full size short pads eventually.
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Post by Shakti on Dec 4, 2022 19:12:06 GMT
All this is very interesting. As I became active again in the hobby after a decade (or more) hiatus, I think find most of my inks (especially the foam pads) unusable. I bought a full-sized Tsukineko for a specific larger batch product, as well as new full-size white pigment, embossing, and basic black dye.
Then I started buying some mostly Hero Arts kits from JoAnn which included mini cubes. And some Stampin Up kits with their cubes. And I decided to go big into minis, including watching the sales. I figure I can store a larger variety of colors. As they dry out/get used up, I figure I can decide whether to reink or buy full size or whatever. I apparently do NOT have "full set syndrome" with ink pads.
But let's not talk about alcohol markers....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 0:58:55 GMT
I have several brands I like and I buy by color not by brands (out of the brands I like). Concord and 9th has some great inks and so does versafine clair.
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Post by PaperAngel on Dec 12, 2022 3:43:15 GMT
Given the numerous dye inks on the market, I imagine many cardmakers, especially beginners, face the same dilemma! I'm not a cardmaker, only use inks for minimal mixed media (ie basic stamping, stenciling, inking edges) on layouts, & prefer pigment inks that are archival (currently, VersaFine Clair & VersaMark) for my purposes. Best wishes... I have several brands I like and I buy by color not by brands (out of the brands I like). Concord and 9th has some great inks and so does versafine clair. Note VersaFine Clair is a quick-drying pigment ink.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 17:00:39 GMT
Given the numerous dye inks on the market, I imagine many cardmakers, especially beginners, face the same dilemma! I'm not a cardmaker, only use inks for minimal mixed media (ie basic stamping, stenciling, inking edges) on layouts, & prefer pigment inks that are archival (currently, VersaFine Clair & VersaMark) for my purposes. Best wishes... I have several brands I like and I buy by color not by brands (out of the brands I like). Concord and 9th has some great inks and so does versafine clair. Note VersaFine Clair is a quick-drying pigment ink. I'm so sorry I didn't notice she said dye ink. It does dry fast though! Given the numerous dye inks on the market, I imagine many cardmakers, especially beginners, face the same dilemma! I'm not a cardmaker, only use inks for minimal mixed media (ie basic stamping, stenciling, inking edges) on layouts, & prefer pigment inks that are archival (currently, VersaFine Clair & VersaMark) for my purposes. Best wishes... Note VersaFine Clair is a quick-drying pigment ink.
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