|
Post by peano on Oct 29, 2022 2:21:18 GMT
a Christian nation. Yes, Pew tends to skew conservative, but this shakes me. To the point where I am now seriously thinking about emigrating somewhere else. I feel vulnerable, even as a non-practicing Jew.
|
|
|
Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 29, 2022 2:32:12 GMT
Unfortunately we are all vulnerable. 'They' don't consider Catholics as Christian, or Mormons or Greek Orthodox or the next and the next... All the other assorted religions that are not Christian, Atheists, Pagan. plus assorted other nonbelievers..
Bet their poll numbers are wrong.
|
|
pinklady
Drama Llama
Posts: 5,539
Nov 14, 2016 23:47:03 GMT
|
Post by pinklady on Oct 29, 2022 2:50:00 GMT
Religion is the root of ALL evil in the world. FULL STOP
|
|
luckyexwife
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 3,067
Jun 25, 2014 21:21:08 GMT
|
Post by luckyexwife on Oct 29, 2022 3:11:10 GMT
Unfortunately we are all vulnerable. 'They' don't consider Catholics as Christian, or Mormons or Greek Orthodox or the next and the next... All the other assorted religions that are not Christian, Atheists, Pagan. plus assorted other nonbelievers.. Bet their poll numbers are wrong. Who do "they" consider Christian? I'm seriously asking.
|
|
scrappinghappy
Pearl Clutcher
“I’m late, I’m late for a very important date. No time to say “Hello.” Goodbye. I’m late...."
Posts: 4,306
Jun 26, 2014 19:30:06 GMT
|
Post by scrappinghappy on Oct 29, 2022 3:25:25 GMT
Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) was a prominent Lutheran pastor in Germany. In the 1920s and early 1930s, he sympathized with many Nazi ideas and supported radically right-wing political movements. But after Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933, Niemöller became an outspoken critic of Hitler’s interference in the Protestant Church. He spent the last eight years of Nazi rule, from 1937 to 1945, in Nazi prisons and concentration camps. Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for his postwar statement,
“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
|
|
|
Post by Delta Dawn on Oct 29, 2022 5:22:32 GMT
We have a lovely old Canada’s first synagogue and you would fit in well there. Lots of lovely people on the island I live on and good health care and you don’t have to be religious to enjoy the people.
|
|
|
Post by aj2hall on Oct 29, 2022 6:33:49 GMT
I agree that the number is concerning, but it does give me hope that there was a wide range of what being a Christian nation entails. It's not that 45% support Christian nationalism. Only 28% want Christianity recognized as the country's official faith. Still concerning, but limited to the Trump base, not the wider 45%. If you look at the other questions like should Supreme Court justices bring their religious views into deciding cases, 83% answered no. www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/10/27/45-of-americans-say-u-s-should-be-a-christian-nation/www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/10/27/america-christian-nation-pew-nationalism/Smith stressed that some respondents who expressed support for a Christian nation “do mean that they think Christian beliefs, values and morality ought to be reflected in U.S. laws and policies.” But many respondents “tell us that they think the U.S. should be guided by Christian principles in a general way, but they don’t mean that we should live in a theocracy,” he said. “They don’t mean that they want to get rid of separation of church and state. They don’t mean they want to see the U.S. officially declared to be a Christian nation. It’s a nuanced picture.”
|
|
|
Post by monklady123 on Oct 29, 2022 9:51:06 GMT
Unfortunately we are all vulnerable. 'They' don't consider Catholics as Christian, or Mormons or Greek Orthodox or the next and the next... All the other assorted religions that are not Christian, Atheists, Pagan. plus assorted other nonbelievers.. Bet their poll numbers are wrong. Who do "they" consider Christian? I'm seriously asking. It's a good question. I don't know the answer. But it's most likely the white conservative evangelical types. I'm Presbyterian (PCUSA) which is a good old rock-solid Protestant faith with an impeccable pedigree Protestant-wise - and yet my particular church would certainly not be who the evangelicals would want running our government. We are a More Light Church (LGBTQIA+ welcoming and affirming), we run welcome and citizenship workshops for immigrants, we attend protests in DC as a group (i.e., with a sign that identifies us as a church group, which we feel is important to show others that there are Christians who are not like the right-wingers), etc. We are just not the "right" kind of Christians for the conservative evangelical types.
|
|
|
Post by littlemama on Oct 29, 2022 10:54:24 GMT
That is definitely a skewed number so I wouldnt worry too much about it.
|
|
|
Post by melanell on Oct 29, 2022 16:41:12 GMT
In my humble opinion anyone who truly believes that the country requires an official faith is off their rocker--at least in that respect.
I also think that number is incorrect. I think they like to present a number that nears the half way mark, but that they are off.
I also think it sucks that people have to keep hearing crap like this and being upset by it. Hugs to everyone affected by these type of headlines, statements, & beliefs. There is no place for them and I am sorry you have to hear or read them.
|
|
|
Post by epeanymous on Oct 29, 2022 16:45:37 GMT
Once upon a time I had to communicate regularly with a Dominionist Christian and when I raised with him that a Christian nation sounds pretty terrible to Jews he said I was wrong because his Jewish friend was fine with it.
His "Jewish friend" turned out to be a "messianic Jew" and I have never gotten over it.
|
|
|
Post by hop2 on Oct 29, 2022 17:41:18 GMT
Just chuck the whole constitution out the window I guess…
|
|
|
Post by librarylady on Oct 29, 2022 19:13:22 GMT
Pew needs to correct the data to say '45% of the people we surveyed" They did not ask everyone, nor even the majority of the population. Furthermore, did they only ask those actively participating in organized religion? I see so many things wrong with painting this as a reflection of the US population.
|
|
|
Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 29, 2022 19:31:23 GMT
That is definitely a skewed number so I wouldnt worry too much about it. There is lots to worry about. Alito used some old christian stuff to help make his decision on Dobbs... SCOTUS is expected to overturn same sex marriage, birth control on the same info. I know they say it isn't in the Constitution so it can't be so... The Constitution was written to allow changes as time progressed.
|
|
|
Post by blueswede on Oct 29, 2022 19:33:46 GMT
Absolutely not, and I say that as a Christian. It's a violation of the first amendment.
|
|
|
Post by birukitty on Oct 29, 2022 20:42:26 GMT
I don't believe those numbers for a second.
|
|
|
Post by bc2ca on Oct 29, 2022 20:52:44 GMT
I'm sorry, peano, and feel very unsettled now, too. All my Jewish friends are looking at their options.
|
|
SabrinaP
Pearl Clutcher
Busy Teacher Pea
Posts: 4,350
Location: Dallas Texas
Jun 26, 2014 12:16:22 GMT
|
Post by SabrinaP on Oct 29, 2022 20:59:29 GMT
Hum for a conservative view I feel 45% is actually pretty low. That’s less than half of the people they surveyed, who most likely are very conservative. That statistic actually gives me hope that all Christians are not ultra right winged conservatives.
|
|
|
Post by aj2hall on Oct 29, 2022 21:06:49 GMT
|
|
|
Post by epeanymous on Oct 29, 2022 23:34:20 GMT
I'm sorry, peano, and feel very unsettled now, too. All my Jewish friends are looking at their options. The irony I present to you is that our family is currently in the application process for Austrian citizenship, which my husband and kids are entitled to because my husband's grandmother fled Vienna during the Holocaust (it gives us EU access as well). We don't have immediate or concrete plans to leave but "Jewish academics" doesn't seem like a great category to be in given some of the possible coming leadership and the general rise in antisemitism.
|
|
|
Post by hop2 on Oct 30, 2022 13:08:33 GMT
Antisemitism is on the rise in again Europe too. This is not a good time
|
|
|
Post by mollycoddle on Oct 30, 2022 14:13:15 GMT
That is…not good.
|
|
|
Post by leftturnonly on Oct 30, 2022 14:32:43 GMT
45% of Americans Say US Should Be a Christian nation.
That's what happens when our political leaders become such pro-active baby-killers that they want nationally legal abortion without restriction at any stage up to, including and shortly after birth.
These are the most innocent, human children they demand can be killed at will.
Did no one expect push-back to that?
|
|
|
Post by epeanymous on Oct 30, 2022 14:34:18 GMT
Antisemitism is on the rise in again Europe too. This is not a good time Absolutely true as well. For us it is about having as many options as possible.
|
|
StephDRebel
Drama Llama
Posts: 6,666
Location: Ohio
Jul 5, 2014 1:53:49 GMT
|
Post by StephDRebel on Oct 30, 2022 14:49:07 GMT
Unfortunately we are all vulnerable. 'They' don't consider Catholics as Christian, or Mormons or Greek Orthodox or the next and the next... All the other assorted religions that are not Christian, Atheists, Pagan. plus assorted other nonbelievers.. Bet their poll numbers are wrong. Who do "they" consider Christian? I'm seriously asking. In my experience, everyone that goes along with them in the moment.
|
|
|
Post by hop2 on Oct 30, 2022 14:50:10 GMT
Antisemitism is on the rise in again Europe too. This is not a good time Absolutely true as well. For us it is about having as many options as possible. Oh, I get that, and there are many other benefits inEurope as well. Healthcare, etc But it is on the rise all over and that is a scary thing
|
|
StephDRebel
Drama Llama
Posts: 6,666
Location: Ohio
Jul 5, 2014 1:53:49 GMT
|
Post by StephDRebel on Oct 30, 2022 14:52:22 GMT
45% of Americans Say US Should Be a Christian nation. That's what happens when our political leaders become such pro-active baby-killers that they want nationally legal abortion without restriction at any stage up to, including and shortly after birth. These are the most innocent, human children they demand can be killed at will. Did no one expect push-back to that? Which politicians were these? We don't know what would happen because that has never been the case.
|
|
scrappinmama
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,884
Jun 26, 2014 12:54:09 GMT
|
Post by scrappinmama on Oct 30, 2022 15:03:44 GMT
It's interesting because there are plenty of statistics out there that show more and more Americans are turning away from religion entirely. The group that answered that question are the most conservative, right-wing Christians. And they are also the same people showing up at election time. If we have any hope to turn things around, we need more non-conservative people to vote, not emigrate to another country.
Voter turnout is always lower for non-presidential elections. Please get out there and vote. And encourage your children who are voting age to vote. This is the best way to send a message on the direction you want this country to go.
|
|
|
Post by aj2hall on Oct 30, 2022 16:09:23 GMT
45% of Americans Say US Should Be a Christian nation. That's what happens when our political leaders become such pro-active baby-killers that they want nationally legal abortion without restriction at any stage up to, including and shortly after birth. These are the most innocent, human children they demand can be killed at will. Did no one expect push-back to that? You really need to stop spouting Republican talking points. Especially false ones. No one is advocating abortion up to or after the moment of birth. That would be murder. Nor is it legal anywhere. And the Republicans are out of step with most Americans. More than 60% of Americans think abortion should be legal.
|
|
|
Post by Merge on Oct 30, 2022 16:17:43 GMT
I find the "that's what you get" narrative really disturbing, along with the poster equating violence against political opponents with "pushback." Not the first time that poster has used those words. Some seriously warped thinking there, all based on lies.
|
|