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Post by Darcy Collins on Dec 30, 2022 15:14:51 GMT
I wouldn’t say that he is only attractive to disaffected youth. My son isn’t what I would consider to be disaffected and he looked up to him (mostly imitating his accent and some of his common phrases from what I could tell). Before I knew more about him he said that Tate was teaching him important things about being a man and listed some things that were not negative. The danger is that there was apparently a lot of other information mixed in his messages that is not positive. When I brought up the concerns they didn’t recall seeing or hearing him say any of the things people were upset about. Even my older kids felt that the outrage about Tate was overblown, although they weren’t as into him as younger DS. So it’s not like only troubled youth were watching him. This is a huge point that in my mind makes him way more dangerous. I was talking to my son about it and he discussed how easy it was for people to be sucked in as there were a lot of positive things on his feed as well and then one wants to justify the ugly shit as you're invested. He has a HUGE following and it's really disturbing.
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Post by SockMonkey on Dec 30, 2022 15:34:24 GMT
Because of my kid I knew who he was. We had talked about Greta's response earlier yesterday. I don't know where my kid gets their info but they filled me in on his arrest hours before it made the BBC. I've since read the BBC article and discovered he was kicked off the show Big Brother back in 2016. I didn't know that about him as I wasn't a fan of big brother. But the fact that he was arrested because of a video he made in his private space is like a circle being completed. Eta, I love that our kids have all got the same view of him. I'm guessing TikTok! TikTok and Twitter have all the tea.
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Post by Sarah*H on Dec 30, 2022 15:36:30 GMT
I wouldn’t say that he is only attractive to disaffected youth. My son isn’t what I would consider to be disaffected and he looked up to him (mostly imitating his accent and some of his common phrases from what I could tell). Before I knew more about him he said that Tate was teaching him important things about being a man and listed some things that were not negative. The danger is that there was apparently a lot of other information mixed in his messages that is not positive. When I brought up the concerns they didn’t recall seeing or hearing him say any of the things people were upset about. Even my older kids felt that the outrage about Tate was overblown, although they weren’t as into him as younger DS. So it’s not like only troubled youth were watching him. As another mom, I think you need to do some research about the alt right pipeline. There are literally millions of potential, positive male role models for your son(s). Aren't you curious why he looks up someone like Andrew Tate? And I guess it concerns me that your other kids were minimizing it because he's truly awful. This is why these guys succeed. And just so you know, the way the algorithms work, if he's watching Andrew Tate and following him on youtube or other social media, the algorithms are going to feed him similar stuff and possibly increasingly worse stuff. Resetting the algorithms has to be a deliberate, manual process and it can take a long time to weed out the "suggestions" (videos, accounts, etc.) that will continue to feed him this kind of garbage. My son's friend group has kids ranging in age from 19-22 so these are conversations we have a lot about what's going on with them and how to combat this concerted effort to lure young men into this movement. Jordan Peterson is another one to look out for.
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Post by bc2ca on Dec 30, 2022 16:21:25 GMT
I don't want to pile on iamkristinl16, but please ask your sons about why AT was been banned from all major mainstream SM platforms. They are not watching him on TikTok, Youtube, Facebook or Instagram. It was his recent (and controversial) reinstatement on Twitter that led to his arrest.
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Post by compeateropeator on Dec 30, 2022 16:31:12 GMT
Yes. And I, unfortunately, knew who he was before yesterday. I have been reading up on him since hearing about him awhile ago from my teen nephew.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 30, 2022 16:39:47 GMT
I wouldn’t say that he is only attractive to disaffected youth. My son isn’t what I would consider to be disaffected and he looked up to him (mostly imitating his accent and some of his common phrases from what I could tell). Before I knew more about him he said that Tate was teaching him important things about being a man and listed some things that were not negative. The danger is that there was apparently a lot of other information mixed in his messages that is not positive. When I brought up the concerns they didn’t recall seeing or hearing him say any of the things people were upset about. Even my older kids felt that the outrage about Tate was overblown, although they weren’t as into him as younger DS. So it’s not like only troubled youth were watching him. This is a huge point that in my mind makes him way more dangerous. I was talking to my son about it and he discussed how easy it was for people to be sucked in as there were a lot of positive things on his feed as well and then one wants to justify the ugly shit as you're invested. He has a HUGE following and it's really disturbing. Exactly. Based on posts from this thread, people seem to think he is just spewing hate all of the time and that is what is drawing kids in. That isn't the case.
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Post by Skellinton on Dec 30, 2022 16:59:03 GMT
He's a former kickboxer and someone added his "fight" with Greta on his Wikipedia page as a loss. I love this so much! That is amazing. I have seen memes and posts about how Greta is continuing her fight for the planet by ridding us of trash like Andrew Tate.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 30, 2022 17:42:24 GMT
I don't want to pile on iamkristinl16 , but please ask your sons about why AT was been banned from all major mainstream SM platforms. They are not watching him on TikTok, Youtube, Facebook or Instagram. It was his recent (and controversial) reinstatement on Twitter that led to his arrest. We talked about it when he was first banned. They haven't mentioned him since around that time. I tried to find specific video's of his at the time and couldn't find any, just articles about the banning. My point was that anyone's kids could be exposed to him, not just troubled kids.
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Post by artbabe on Dec 30, 2022 17:52:42 GMT
I hadn't heard of him until last week. My students were doing portraits and I let them do a portrait of anyone they wanted. My only rule is that they couldn't suck as a person. If I don't put that rule in some of them choose really awful people. So no wife beaters, felons, serial killers, sex offenders, etc. It is amazing how often kids want to do someone in those categories. As an aside, my only exception (and this has happened twice) is when that student's parent is in prison. OF course they can do their parent- that breaks my heart.
When some of the boys asked if they could do Tate. I Googled him and told them definitely not. So I went down a bit of a Google rabbit hole researching him. The problem with people like that is that 13 year old boys think he is cool. It is really appalling.
And then the thing with Greta came out this week. Awesome. I know Greta is not universally loved but, damn, that was a good burn.
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Post by Sarah*H on Dec 30, 2022 21:25:59 GMT
I'm pasting this from a FB post I saw earlier today.
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Post by chances on Dec 31, 2022 1:44:30 GMT
I don't want to pile on iamkristinl16 , but please ask your sons about why AT was been banned from all major mainstream SM platforms. They are not watching him on TikTok, Youtube, Facebook or Instagram. It was his recent (and controversial) reinstatement on Twitter that led to his arrest. We talked about it when he was first banned. They haven't mentioned him since around that time. I tried to find specific video's of his at the time and couldn't find any, just articles about the banning. My point was that anyone's kids could be exposed to him, not just troubled kids. I agree. I see a lot of young men mention they like his content. They usually add that the “controversial stuff” is meant to be a joke or they just ignore it. This allows them to minimize the real damage of his content and what they are taking in.
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Post by elaine on Dec 31, 2022 2:03:23 GMT
We talked about it when he was first banned. They haven't mentioned him since around that time. I tried to find specific video's of his at the time and couldn't find any, just articles about the banning. My point was that anyone's kids could be exposed to him, not just troubled kids. I agree. I see a lot of young men mention they like his content. They usually add that the “controversial stuff” is meant to be a joke or they just ignore it. This allows them to minimize the real damage of his content and what they are taking in. I would also add that disenfranchised doesn’t mean “troubled”. It has never meant that, although many disenfranchised people may also be “troubled.” One could be disenfranchised, for example, if one is a person of color in a racist society, even if that person is from a POC family. A young male could be disenfranchised from society-in-general even if they have a supportive environment at home. As the adults in the room, it is our responsibility to point out the insidious nature of messages that people like Tate put out. The balance of negative with reasonable is purposeful, that is how the insidious takes hold.
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Post by Merge on Dec 31, 2022 2:50:20 GMT
I agree. I see a lot of young men mention they like his content. They usually add that the “controversial stuff” is meant to be a joke or they just ignore it. This allows them to minimize the real damage of his content and what they are taking in. I would also add that disenfranchised doesn’t mean “troubled”. It has never meant that, although many disenfranchised people may also be “troubled.” One could be disenfranchised, for example, if one is a person of color in a racist society, even if that person is from a POC family. A young male could be disenfranchised from society-in-general even if they have a supportive environment at home. As the adults in the room, it is our responsibility to point out the insidious nature of messages that people like Tate put out. The balance of negative with reasonable is purposeful, that is how the insidious takes hold. I think as the adults in the room, it’s also our responsibility to help kids understand that almost no one is all good or all bad. What we have to do is to look at 1. the preponderance of good vs. bad messaging and actions, and 2. whether any of the bad messages/actions are red-flag deal breakers. Sex trafficking and outspoken misogyny should be red-flag deal breakers for any young man who follows Tate, in my opinion.
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Post by Merge on Dec 31, 2022 4:31:05 GMT
Lol. Andrew Tate is also a hybrid-driving newscaster in East Texas. Wants you to know he’s not THAT Andrew Tate.
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Post by malibou on Dec 31, 2022 7:23:10 GMT
Lol. Andrew Tate is also a hybrid-driving newscaster in East Texas. Wants you to know he’s not THAT Andrew Tate. I always feel badly when someone who does something hideous has a common sort of name resulting in making same named people wiggle.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Dec 31, 2022 7:32:16 GMT
I don’t know when I first heard of him, but it was on TikTok, and I talked to my boys about him at that time. It was probably last winter or spring.
One of my teen boys knew who he was and one didn’t.. They both do know who he is now.
The one who knew who he was said he was “a douche” at the time. I still worry about them and what they are exposed to on the internet.
And Andrew Tate is indeed a douche.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Dec 31, 2022 7:59:04 GMT
Sounds a lovely boy. His mother must be bursting with pride. I’d never heard of this so called ‘influencer’ until yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 11:14:57 GMT
The pizza box connection is just speculation from social media. www.snopes.com/fact-check/andrew-tate-arrested-jerrys-pizza-box/But him being a piece of garbage is correct: www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/06/andrew-tate-violent-misogynistic-world-of-tiktok-new-star“I’m not a rapist, but I like the idea of just being able to do what I want. I like being free.” Andrew Tate says women belong in the home, can’t drive, and are a man’s property. He also thinks rape victims must “bear responsibility” for their attacks and dates women aged 18–19 because he can “make an imprint” on them, according to videos posted online. In other clips, the British-American kickboxer – who poses with fast cars, guns and portrays himself as a cigar-smoking playboy – talks about hitting and choking women, trashing their belongings and stopping them from going out. “It’s bang out the machete, boom in her face and grip her by the neck. Shut up bitch,” he says in one video, acting out how he’d attack a woman if she accused him of cheating. In another, he describes throwing a woman’s things out of the window. In a third, he calls an ex-girlfriend who accused him of hitting her – an allegation he denies – a “dumb hoe”. If your son is following him - it's time to say something.
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Post by peachiceteas on Dec 31, 2022 12:47:21 GMT
If your son is following him - it's time to say something. This. Just this.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 31, 2022 21:52:09 GMT
I agree. I see a lot of young men mention they like his content. They usually add that the “controversial stuff” is meant to be a joke or they just ignore it. This allows them to minimize the real damage of his content and what they are taking in. I would also add that disenfranchised doesn’t mean “troubled”. It has never meant that, although many disenfranchised people may also be “troubled.” One could be disenfranchised, for example, if one is a person of color in a racist society, even if that person is from a POC family. A young male could be disenfranchised from society-in-general even if they have a supportive environment at home. As the adults in the room, it is our responsibility to point out the insidious nature of messages that people like Tate put out. The balance of negative with reasonable is purposeful, that is how the insidious takes hold. Pretty sure that I addressed it above that I did, indeed, be the adult in the room and discussed it with my son when I first heard about it months ago when he was banned. I also pointed out above that I was in agreement that the mix of negative comments with reasonable comments is how the insidious takes hold. I also understand what disenfranchised or troubled means. My kids are neither. Again, since people don't seem to get the point...it's NOT just disenfranchised or troubled kids who are exposed to Andrew Tate. So if you think your kids are immune, you could be wrong.
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Post by elaine on Dec 31, 2022 23:19:31 GMT
I would also add that disenfranchised doesn’t mean “troubled”. It has never meant that, although many disenfranchised people may also be “troubled.” One could be disenfranchised, for example, if one is a person of color in a racist society, even if that person is from a POC family. A young male could be disenfranchised from society-in-general even if they have a supportive environment at home. As the adults in the room, it is our responsibility to point out the insidious nature of messages that people like Tate put out. The balance of negative with reasonable is purposeful, that is how the insidious takes hold. Pretty sure that I addressed it above that I did, indeed, be the adult in the room and discussed it with my son when I first heard about it months ago when he was banned. I also pointed out above that I was in agreement that the mix of negative comments with reasonable comments is how the insidious takes hold. I also understand what disenfranchised or troubled means. My kids are neither. Again, since people don't seem to get the point...it's NOT just disenfranchised or troubled kids who are exposed to Andrew Tate. So if you think your kids are immune, you could be wrong.I strongly agree. All kids on social media (so, pretty much all kids) are exposed to him.
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 1, 2023 2:02:23 GMT
Lol. Andrew Tate is also a hybrid-driving newscaster in East Texas. Wants you to know he’s not THAT Andrew Tate. He needs to be friends with Matthew Gertz.
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 1, 2023 2:05:07 GMT
The guy who filmed Andrew Tate's response to Greta Thunberg.
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 1, 2023 2:05:46 GMT
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