cakediva
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Post by cakediva on Feb 13, 2023 16:37:21 GMT
The entire point is that there isn't abuse happening at drag shows. Depending on the show, it's an age appropriate story time in an age appropriate setting and if a show is more sexual it's in a bar..where children aren't allowed and even then the shows are 'adult' because of language, not nudity. You can only be so nude with the body modifiers they are using. The sexual abuse is happening in the church and people of the church are pointing their fingers at drag performers because, well it's the christian way. No one is saying child abuse at drag shows is ok, they're saying don't make up lies about abuse at drag shows that isn't happening and then continue to groom and abuse children in the name of jesus in church and at camps. If abuse were to happen at a drag show it would be taken care of, investigated, and prosecuted fully. Let's do the same for the church. Drag was fine when it was Mrs. Doubtfire, it was fine when it was Shakespearean actors were dressing as women, and in any other number of instances where men have dressed as women in performance roles. Modern day drag is only an issue because of homophobia, it's an art performed largely by gay men and it's a way to throw in some hate without saying 'we hate everyone not just like us' out loud. You aren't seriously comparing an actor in a movie dressing up to be a fully dressed old lady in order to nanny his kids, to a topless drag queen coming out shaking his implants in front of children? I've been at an adult drag performance - there was NOBODY topless shaking their implants at the audience. It was a fully dressed person lip syncing to some great music and doing a fantastic job of it. Any other videos I've seen of drag performances have not had people shaking their naked bits at the audience either. It's a drag show, not a strip show. Sure, some of the outfits are on the "scantily clad" side - but I don't see these same people objecting to a Victoria's Secret poster. Just when it is a man dressed in drag....
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huskergal
Pearl Clutcher
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Jun 25, 2014 20:22:13 GMT
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Post by huskergal on Feb 13, 2023 20:46:26 GMT
I am so glad to have someone like her in Nebraska. We are getting scary red in this state. We need someone that shakes up the unicameral.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 13, 2023 20:59:52 GMT
The entire point is that there isn't abuse happening at drag shows. Depending on the show, it's an age appropriate story time in an age appropriate setting and if a show is more sexual it's in a bar..where children aren't allowed and even then the shows are 'adult' because of language, not nudity. You can only be so nude with the body modifiers they are using. The sexual abuse is happening in the church and people of the church are pointing their fingers at drag performers because, well it's the christian way. No one is saying child abuse at drag shows is ok, they're saying don't make up lies about abuse at drag shows that isn't happening and then continue to groom and abuse children in the name of jesus in church and at camps. If abuse were to happen at a drag show it would be taken care of, investigated, and prosecuted fully. Let's do the same for the church. Drag was fine when it was Mrs. Doubtfire, it was fine when it was Shakespearean actors were dressing as women, and in any other number of instances where men have dressed as women in performance roles. Modern day drag is only an issue because of homophobia, it's an art performed largely by gay men and it's a way to throw in some hate without saying 'we hate everyone not just like us' out loud. You aren't seriously comparing an actor in a movie dressing up to be a fully dressed old lady in order to nanny his kids, to a topless drag queen coming out shaking his implants in front of children? That is not what happens at children’s drag shows. (It’s actually not what happens at mainstream adult drag shows, either.) You cannot be unaware of that. Please supply any evidence that this actually happens.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 13, 2023 23:48:30 GMT
You aren't seriously comparing an actor in a movie dressing up to be a fully dressed old lady in order to nanny his kids, to a topless drag queen coming out shaking his implants in front of children? That is not what happens at children’s drag shows. (It’s actually not what happens at mainstream adult drag shows, either.) You cannot be unaware of that. Please supply any evidence that this actually happens. It does happen. Topless drag queen in front of children.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 14, 2023 0:44:37 GMT
That is not what happens at children’s drag shows. (It’s actually not what happens at mainstream adult drag shows, either.) You cannot be unaware of that. Please supply any evidence that this actually happens. It does happen. Topless drag queen in front of children.OK, thank you. So the right-wing Daily Mail copies a story from Libs of Tik-Tok. Does not include the supposed video (at least, I couldn’t find it). Does include a fuzzy photo of the child tipping the performer, with no “boobies” showing that I can see. Does include another photo of the performer with the “boobies” showing. Goes on to complain about drag queen story hours at other venues. (1) the reason I put “boobies” in quotation marks is because it’s not boobies. It’s part of a costume, and, according to the story, the “nipples” were covered. The performer was NOT topless. (2) the child appears to be very young and appears to be sitting on her grandma’s lap. Apparently the grandma is happy to have her there, since she is tipping the performer via the child. (3) the grandma knew or should have known she was taking the child to a drag show at a gay bar. It appears NOT to have been advertised as “family friendly.” Instead, the DM says the other shows listed on the bar’s social media ARE labeled 18+. This one was not. That sounds more as though the usual warning was inadvertently left off, rather than the bar was trying to pass this one show off as family friendly. So what exactly is your complaint here? This show wasn’t advertised as family friendly, the family took the child willingly to the show, the performer wasn’t actually topless, despite your claim otherwise, and apparently no one was traumatized. This is not any kind of a threat to the child, and it’s certainly not the norm for family-friendly drag shows. There isn’t even any damn video for me to look at.
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Sarah*H
Pearl Clutcher
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Jun 25, 2014 20:07:06 GMT
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 14, 2023 0:51:52 GMT
OK, thank you. So the right-wing Daily Mail copies a story from Libs of Tik-Tok. Does not include the supposed video (at least, I couldn’t find it). Does include a fuzzy photo of the child tipping the performer, with no “boobies” showing that I can see. Does include another photo of the performer with the “boobies” showing. Goes on to complain about drag queen story hours at other venues. (1) the reason I put “boobies” in quotation marks is because it’s not boobies. It’s part of a costume, and, according to the story, the “nipples” were covered. The performer was NOT topless. (2) the child appears to be very young and appears to be sitting on her grandma’s lap. Apparently the grandma is happy to have her there, since she is tipping the performer via the child. (3) the grandma knew or should have known she was taking the child to a drag show at a gay bar. It appears NOT to have been advertised as “family friendly.” Instead, the DM says the other shows listed on the bar’s social media ARE labeled 18+. This one was not. That sounds more as though the usual warning was inadvertently left off, rather than the bar was trying to pass this one show off as family friendly. So what exactly is your complaint here? This show wasn’t advertised as family friendly, the family took the child willingly to the show, the performer wasn’t actually topless, despite your claim otherwise, and apparently no one was traumatized. This is not any kind of a threat to the child, and it’s certainly not the norm for family-friendly drag shows. There isn’t even any damn video for me to look at. Since I haven't told you yet in February, I love you Lucy.
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samantha25
Pearl Clutcher
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Jun 27, 2014 19:06:19 GMT
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Post by samantha25 on Feb 14, 2023 0:58:52 GMT
OK, thank you. So the right-wing Daily Mail copies a story from Libs of Tik-Tok. Does not include the supposed video (at least, I couldn’t find it). Does include a fuzzy photo of the child tipping the performer, with no “boobies” showing that I can see. Does include another photo of the performer with the “boobies” showing. Goes on to complain about drag queen story hours at other venues. (1) the reason I put “boobies” in quotation marks is because it’s not boobies. It’s part of a costume, and, according to the story, the “nipples” were covered. The performer was NOT topless. (2) the child appears to be very young and appears to be sitting on her grandma’s lap. Apparently the grandma is happy to have her there, since she is tipping the performer via the child. (3) the grandma knew or should have known she was taking the child to a drag show at a gay bar. It appears NOT to have been advertised as “family friendly.” Instead, the DM says the other shows listed on the bar’s social media ARE labeled 18+. This one was not. That sounds more as though the usual warning was inadvertently left off, rather than the bar was trying to pass this one show off as family friendly. So what exactly is your complaint here? This show wasn’t advertised as family friendly, the family took the child willingly to the show, the performer wasn’t actually topless, despite your claim otherwise, and apparently no one was traumatized. This is not any kind of a threat to the child, and it’s certainly not the norm for family-friendly drag shows. There isn’t even any damn video for me to look at. I saw the video in the link and it was kinda not so good, IMO. The performer tried to cover the front when near the little girl and it looks like the grandma held her hand over the girls eyes, but let them fly/ bounce with a teeny tiny star over the nipple for the finale.
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Post by Merge on Feb 14, 2023 1:30:26 GMT
OK, thank you. So the right-wing Daily Mail copies a story from Libs of Tik-Tok. Does not include the supposed video (at least, I couldn’t find it). Does include a fuzzy photo of the child tipping the performer, with no “boobies” showing that I can see. Does include another photo of the performer with the “boobies” showing. Goes on to complain about drag queen story hours at other venues. (1) the reason I put “boobies” in quotation marks is because it’s not boobies. It’s part of a costume, and, according to the story, the “nipples” were covered. The performer was NOT topless. (2) the child appears to be very young and appears to be sitting on her grandma’s lap. Apparently the grandma is happy to have her there, since she is tipping the performer via the child. (3) the grandma knew or should have known she was taking the child to a drag show at a gay bar. It appears NOT to have been advertised as “family friendly.” Instead, the DM says the other shows listed on the bar’s social media ARE labeled 18+. This one was not. That sounds more as though the usual warning was inadvertently left off, rather than the bar was trying to pass this one show off as family friendly. So what exactly is your complaint here? This show wasn’t advertised as family friendly, the family took the child willingly to the show, the performer wasn’t actually topless, despite your claim otherwise, and apparently no one was traumatized. This is not any kind of a threat to the child, and it’s certainly not the norm for family-friendly drag shows. There isn’t even any damn video for me to look at. I saw the video in the link and it was kinda not so good, IMO. The performer tried to cover the front when near the little girl and it looks like the grandma held her hand over the girls eyes, but let them fly/ bounce with a teeny tiny star over the nipple for the finale. A child that young, of course, has no experience with breasts except possibly as food source. Basically the equivalent of waving a hamburger around in front of anyone else. Only in the perverted minds of the far right was that a sexual situation.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 14, 2023 1:41:10 GMT
OK, thank you. So the right-wing Daily Mail copies a story from Libs of Tik-Tok. Does not include the supposed video (at least, I couldn’t find it). Does include a fuzzy photo of the child tipping the performer, with no “boobies” showing that I can see. Does include another photo of the performer with the “boobies” showing. Goes on to complain about drag queen story hours at other venues. (1) the reason I put “boobies” in quotation marks is because it’s not boobies. It’s part of a costume, and, according to the story, the “nipples” were covered. The performer was NOT topless. (2) the child appears to be very young and appears to be sitting on her grandma’s lap. Apparently the grandma is happy to have her there, since she is tipping the performer via the child. (3) the grandma knew or should have known she was taking the child to a drag show at a gay bar. It appears NOT to have been advertised as “family friendly.” Instead, the DM says the other shows listed on the bar’s social media ARE labeled 18+. This one was not. That sounds more as though the usual warning was inadvertently left off, rather than the bar was trying to pass this one show off as family friendly. So what exactly is your complaint here? This show wasn’t advertised as family friendly, the family took the child willingly to the show, the performer wasn’t actually topless, despite your claim otherwise, and apparently no one was traumatized. This is not any kind of a threat to the child, and it’s certainly not the norm for family-friendly drag shows. There isn’t even any damn video for me to look at. She was topless in the meaning of topless. Her breasts, fake or not, pasties or not, we're exposed and she was shaking them sexually. That child was old enough to know and have been taught modesty, you don't go out without your clothes on and all that comes with lessons in modesty. Here's another one. Sexualized family friendly drag show. This particular part starts at 28:30.
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Post by Merge on Feb 14, 2023 2:07:18 GMT
OK, thank you. So the right-wing Daily Mail copies a story from Libs of Tik-Tok. Does not include the supposed video (at least, I couldn’t find it). Does include a fuzzy photo of the child tipping the performer, with no “boobies” showing that I can see. Does include another photo of the performer with the “boobies” showing. Goes on to complain about drag queen story hours at other venues. (1) the reason I put “boobies” in quotation marks is because it’s not boobies. It’s part of a costume, and, according to the story, the “nipples” were covered. The performer was NOT topless. (2) the child appears to be very young and appears to be sitting on her grandma’s lap. Apparently the grandma is happy to have her there, since she is tipping the performer via the child. (3) the grandma knew or should have known she was taking the child to a drag show at a gay bar. It appears NOT to have been advertised as “family friendly.” Instead, the DM says the other shows listed on the bar’s social media ARE labeled 18+. This one was not. That sounds more as though the usual warning was inadvertently left off, rather than the bar was trying to pass this one show off as family friendly. So what exactly is your complaint here? This show wasn’t advertised as family friendly, the family took the child willingly to the show, the performer wasn’t actually topless, despite your claim otherwise, and apparently no one was traumatized. This is not any kind of a threat to the child, and it’s certainly not the norm for family-friendly drag shows. There isn’t even any damn video for me to look at. She was topless in the meaning of topless. Her breasts, fake or not, pasties or not, we're exposed and she was shaking them sexually. That child was old enough to know and have been taught modesty, you don't go out without your clothes on and all that comes with lessons in modesty. Here's another one. Sexualized family friendly drag show. This particular part starts at 28:30. So I looked up the ad for this “Drag Queen Christmas” and nowhere does the advertisement or ticket site say “family friendly” or “all ages.” Where did he get that? The few video clips I watched where he claimed there were children involved did not actually show any children.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 14, 2023 3:33:42 GMT
OK, thank you. So the right-wing Daily Mail copies a story from Libs of Tik-Tok. Does not include the supposed video (at least, I couldn’t find it). Does include a fuzzy photo of the child tipping the performer, with no “boobies” showing that I can see. Does include another photo of the performer with the “boobies” showing. Goes on to complain about drag queen story hours at other venues. (1) the reason I put “boobies” in quotation marks is because it’s not boobies. It’s part of a costume, and, according to the story, the “nipples” were covered. The performer was NOT topless. (2) the child appears to be very young and appears to be sitting on her grandma’s lap. Apparently the grandma is happy to have her there, since she is tipping the performer via the child. (3) the grandma knew or should have known she was taking the child to a drag show at a gay bar. It appears NOT to have been advertised as “family friendly.” Instead, the DM says the other shows listed on the bar’s social media ARE labeled 18+. This one was not. That sounds more as though the usual warning was inadvertently left off, rather than the bar was trying to pass this one show off as family friendly. So what exactly is your complaint here? This show wasn’t advertised as family friendly, the family took the child willingly to the show, the performer wasn’t actually topless, despite your claim otherwise, and apparently no one was traumatized. This is not any kind of a threat to the child, and it’s certainly not the norm for family-friendly drag shows. There isn’t even any damn video for me to look at. I saw the video in the link and it was kinda not so good, IMO. The performer tried to cover the front when near the little girl and it looks like the grandma held her hand over the girls eyes, but let them fly/ bounce with a teeny tiny star over the nipple for the finale. Thanks. I went back, and this time I was able to see the video. It doesn’t look like something that I would take a young child to, but I don’t think it’s traumatizing, either, especially for a toddler who has no compass for these things yet. I also thought it was nice that the performer tried to cover up in front of the child. Just reinforces my point that the show was not intended to be “family friendly.”
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Post by lucyg on Feb 14, 2023 3:38:20 GMT
OK, thank you. So the right-wing Daily Mail copies a story from Libs of Tik-Tok. Does not include the supposed video (at least, I couldn’t find it). Does include a fuzzy photo of the child tipping the performer, with no “boobies” showing that I can see. Does include another photo of the performer with the “boobies” showing. Goes on to complain about drag queen story hours at other venues. (1) the reason I put “boobies” in quotation marks is because it’s not boobies. It’s part of a costume, and, according to the story, the “nipples” were covered. The performer was NOT topless. (2) the child appears to be very young and appears to be sitting on her grandma’s lap. Apparently the grandma is happy to have her there, since she is tipping the performer via the child. (3) the grandma knew or should have known she was taking the child to a drag show at a gay bar. It appears NOT to have been advertised as “family friendly.” Instead, the DM says the other shows listed on the bar’s social media ARE labeled 18+. This one was not. That sounds more as though the usual warning was inadvertently left off, rather than the bar was trying to pass this one show off as family friendly. So what exactly is your complaint here? This show wasn’t advertised as family friendly, the family took the child willingly to the show, the performer wasn’t actually topless, despite your claim otherwise, and apparently no one was traumatized. This is not any kind of a threat to the child, and it’s certainly not the norm for family-friendly drag shows. There isn’t even any damn video for me to look at. She was topless in the meaning of topless. Her breasts, fake or not, pasties or not, we're exposed and she was shaking them sexually. That child was old enough to know and have been taught modesty, you don't go out without your clothes on and all that comes with lessons in modesty. Here's another one. Sexualized family friendly drag show. This particular part starts at 28:30. The child appears to be a toddler and I doubt she’s been taught about “modesty” as of yet. The grandmother doesn’t appear the least bit flustered about the situation. I think your complaint should be with the child’s family, not with the performance. And no matter how many times you insist the performer was topless, she was not.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 14, 2023 3:39:13 GMT
She was topless in the meaning of topless. Her breasts, fake or not, pasties or not, we're exposed and she was shaking them sexually. That child was old enough to know and have been taught modesty, you don't go out without your clothes on and all that comes with lessons in modesty. Here's another one. Sexualized family friendly drag show. This particular part starts at 28:30. So I looked up the ad for this “Drag Queen Christmas” and nowhere does the advertisement or ticket site say “family friendly” or “all ages.” Where did he get that? The few video clips I watched where he claimed there were children involved did not actually show any children. Thank you for sparing me and taking on that one.
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samantha25
Pearl Clutcher
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Jun 27, 2014 19:06:19 GMT
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Post by samantha25 on Feb 14, 2023 3:46:49 GMT
I saw the video in the link and it was kinda not so good, IMO. The performer tried to cover the front when near the little girl and it looks like the grandma held her hand over the girls eyes, but let them fly/ bounce with a teeny tiny star over the nipple for the finale. Thanks. I went back, and this time I was able to see the video. It doesn’t look like something that I would take a young child to, but I don’t think it’s traumatizing, either, especially for a toddler who has no compass for these things yet. I also thought it was nice that the performer tried to cover up in front of the child. Just reinforces my point that the show was not intended to be “family friendly.” I think I was a bit surprised of their enthusiastic performance. Reminds me of Busty Heart, a performer I saw in person that used her breasts to bust melons. BH was on a Botched episode, too.
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StephDRebel
Drama Llama
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Location: Ohio
Jul 5, 2014 1:53:49 GMT
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Post by StephDRebel on Feb 14, 2023 3:48:15 GMT
The entire point is that there isn't abuse happening at drag shows. Depending on the show, it's an age appropriate story time in an age appropriate setting and if a show is more sexual it's in a bar..where children aren't allowed and even then the shows are 'adult' because of language, not nudity. You can only be so nude with the body modifiers they are using. The sexual abuse is happening in the church and people of the church are pointing their fingers at drag performers because, well it's the christian way. No one is saying child abuse at drag shows is ok, they're saying don't make up lies about abuse at drag shows that isn't happening and then continue to groom and abuse children in the name of jesus in church and at camps. If abuse were to happen at a drag show it would be taken care of, investigated, and prosecuted fully. Let's do the same for the church. Drag was fine when it was Mrs. Doubtfire, it was fine when it was Shakespearean actors were dressing as women, and in any other number of instances where men have dressed as women in performance roles. Modern day drag is only an issue because of homophobia, it's an art performed largely by gay men and it's a way to throw in some hate without saying 'we hate everyone not just like us' out loud. You aren't seriously comparing an actor in a movie dressing up to be a fully dressed old lady in order to nanny his kids, to a topless drag queen coming out shaking his implants in front of children? No, I'm not. That would be ignorant because that is not at all what happens at an all ages drag show. You don't believe that's what actually happens do you?
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Post by gorgeouskid on Feb 14, 2023 5:55:56 GMT
Um, dude, how did I miss she is a stinkin' senator.
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Post by bluebird71 on Feb 14, 2023 16:02:18 GMT
Any abuse of children is horrific no matter who does it. Having more documented cases in religious settings doesn't lessen any abuse happening to a child in or at a drag show. Drag shows should be reserved for consenting adults. Children should not be involved. At all. I see. And what drag shows, specifically, have children been at where they have been abused? Please share the specifics. I would like to know about all of them. Absolutely. Please provide a list. I will definitely be looking at each one of them.
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Post by bluebird71 on Feb 14, 2023 16:08:44 GMT
Oh wait, let me correct that.
Please share a list of drag shows that are GEARED TOWARDS CHILDREN. Where abuse is happening. Not shows where some family takes their child to a show at a gay bar, which is a questionable venue for kids. In many states you can't take any children to any bar, ever.
No, since this thread was about Vacation Bible School, CCD, and other venues for children, please provide proof of drag shows for children where children are, without their parents present, where there has been abuse.
I'll wait.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 15, 2023 16:17:07 GMT
So I looked up the ad for this “Drag Queen Christmas” and nowhere does the advertisement or ticket site say “family friendly” or “all ages.” Where did he get that? The few video clips I watched where he claimed there were children involved did not actually show any children. Thank you for sparing me and taking on that one. All ages welcome... Children in the audience, you only have to watch the first couple of minutes to see that... /mediaViewer?currentTweet=1605216138614358016¤tTweetUser=MrAndyNgo
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Post by Merge on Feb 15, 2023 19:39:55 GMT
Thank you for sparing me and taking on that one. All ages welcome... Children in the audience, you only have to watch the first couple of minutes to see that... /mediaViewer?currentTweet=1605216138614358016¤tTweetUser=MrAndyNgo Lol, questionable, but OK. No way of telling where the screenshot or the video came from. But let’s say they did indeed do what you say in this one isolated instance. You claimed it’s abusive. How is it abuse? How is it more abusive than other acts which are not receiving priority attention in red-state legislatures? To Megan’s point, how is it more abusive the religious indoctrination that goes on in camps and churches every day of the year? More than a Hooters waitress getting up close to your 12 year old son? The explicit sex and violence in an R rated movie? If your answer is that you think it’s all abusive, then why are you and the people you vote for fixated on this one specific (and vanishingly rare) thing? That’s the point of the amendment Megan filed. Why the very selective outrage over drag shows when kids are routinely exposed to truly toxic environments on a regular basis without any censure from the right?
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 15, 2023 23:16:38 GMT
All ages welcome... Children in the audience, you only have to watch the first couple of minutes to see that... /mediaViewer?currentTweet=1605216138614358016¤tTweetUser=MrAndyNgo Lol, questionable, but OK. No way of telling where the screenshot or the video came from. But let’s say they did indeed do what you say in this one isolated instance. You claimed it’s abusive. How is it abuse? How is it more abusive than other acts which are not receiving priority attention in red-state legislatures? To Megan’s point, how is it more abusive the religious indoctrination that goes on in camps and churches every day of the year? More than a Hooters waitress getting up close to your 12 year old son? The explicit sex and violence in an R rated movie? If your answer is that you think it’s all abusive, then why are you and the people you vote for fixated on this one specific (and vanishingly rare) thing? That’s the point of the amendment Megan filed. Why the very selective outrage over drag shows? No, it isn't questionable. It's right there for you to click on and investigate for yourself. The screenshot is from USA Today reporter Will Carless' Twitter, who tried to say it was not happening. Then when shown it was, tried to dismiss it as not for all ages, with a screenshot that says "for all ages". The video is right there for you to see for yourself. It's clearly the Drag Queen Christmas, with the correct personalities and the correct set on stage and clearly they're talking to children. I provided it to show those who say it isn't a thing, that there ARE shows children are invited to, and attending, with subject matter not meant for children. And it's not a single instance. She talked about living out of a tour bus. It's 36 shows across the country.
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Post by Merge on Feb 15, 2023 23:21:52 GMT
Lol, questionable, but OK. No way of telling where the screenshot or the video came from. But let’s say they did indeed do what you say in this one isolated instance. You claimed it’s abusive. How is it abuse? How is it more abusive than other acts which are not receiving priority attention in red-state legislatures? To Megan’s point, how is it more abusive the religious indoctrination that goes on in camps and churches every day of the year? More than a Hooters waitress getting up close to your 12 year old son? The explicit sex and violence in an R rated movie? If your answer is that you think it’s all abusive, then why are you and the people you vote for fixated on this one specific (and vanishingly rare) thing? That’s the point of the amendment Megan filed. Why the very selective outrage over drag shows? No, it isn't questionable. It's right there for you to click on and investigate for yourself. The screenshot is from USA Today reporter Will Carless' Twitter, who tried to say it was not happening. Then when shown it was, tried to dismiss it as not for all ages, with a screenshot that says "for all ages". The video is right there for you to see for yourself. It's clearly the Drag Queen Christmas, with the correct personalities and the correct set on stage and clearly they're talking to children. I provided it to show those who say it isn't a thing, that there ARE shows children are invited to, and attending, with subject matter not meant for children. And it's not a single instance. She talked about living out of a tour bus. It's 36 shows across the country. And again, please tell me how this clip is evidence of abuse relative to the other things I mentioned? We’ll agree to disagree about the provenance of the clip.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 15, 2023 23:26:04 GMT
No, it isn't questionable. It's right there for you to click on and investigate for yourself. The screenshot is from USA Today reporter Will Carless' Twitter, who tried to say it was not happening. Then when shown it was, tried to dismiss it as not for all ages, with a screenshot that says "for all ages". The video is right there for you to see for yourself. It's clearly the Drag Queen Christmas, with the correct personalities and the correct set on stage and clearly they're talking to children. I provided it to show those who say it isn't a thing, that there ARE shows children are invited to, and attending, with subject matter not meant for children. And it's not a single instance. She talked about living out of a tour bus. It's 36 shows across the country. And again, please tell me how this clip is evidence of abuse relative to the other things I mentioned? We’ll agree to disagree about the provenance of the clip. It's kind of hard to do that when It's clearly the Drag Queen Christmas, with the correct personalities and the correct set on stage and clearly they're talking to children.
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Post by Merge on Feb 15, 2023 23:54:35 GMT
And again, please tell me how this clip is evidence of abuse relative to the other things I mentioned? We’ll agree to disagree about the provenance of the clip. It's kind of hard to do that when It's clearly the Drag Queen Christmas, with the correct personalities and the correct set on stage and clearly they're talking to children. … and the abuse? Where is that?
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Post by elaine on Feb 16, 2023 0:31:25 GMT
Any person, including sexually-triggered-by-a-fictional-M&M-Tucker-Carlson, who is so outraged by a child being allowed into a drag show that they want to pass legislation outlawing it must be 100% in favor of legislation banning anyone over 19 owning firearms in order to protect children from them given 6000 children in the USA being injured or killed by firearms in 2022 alone, right?
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 16, 2023 0:34:25 GMT
This is so ridiculous. So you managed to find a crass drag show that allowed children inside morecowbell - good job! You're absolutely right, it IS ridiculous to say "wrong, prove it" then call them ridiculous for providing proof. And it wasn't a single lewd show inviting children to watch, it was 36 of them across the country.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 16, 2023 0:35:24 GMT
arrggh …
Again, the parents chose to take their children to this questionable event. Just as they sometimes choose to take their children to R-rated movies that I wouldn’t choose for my kids.
Where is your outrage over R-rated movies? What’s so different and special about drag queens? Where is the “abuse” you keep bringing up?
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 16, 2023 0:42:11 GMT
Now find examples of young children exposed to overly sexual content in the "mainstream" - I mean for goodness sake it's ubiquitous. I've actually been to a drag show - and honestly it was way, way more tame them 90% of concerts I've attended or most widely aired programming. It had a 80s jazzercize vibe - and for the record I brought both my husband and my mother - they thought it was fun, but then they were also cheering on one of the backup dancers and the drag queen in question was fully clothed - not what I find in most "straight" performers nowadays. My first post on this thread I said "Drag shows should be reserved for consenting adults. Children should not be involved. At all." I want to change and clarify that statement. I've been to a few fabulous drag shows way back when. In some, the guys dressed up as iconic singers and belted out their tunes. Some, the guys dressed as their own versions of themselves and sang and performed an act that wasnt lewd or sexual. Sexy, yes, not sexual. These were greatly entertaining, they were amazing in their craft, I loved it, and I wouldn't have objected to kids seeing their performances. At all. Those aren't the kind of shows I have objections to kids seeing. When you're talking about particular times you had sex, talking about particular sex acts and simulating sex, that isn't something kids need to be there for. And I seriously question anyone who would want to perform that way for kids.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 16, 2023 5:25:17 GMT
Now find examples of young children exposed to overly sexual content in the "mainstream" - I mean for goodness sake it's ubiquitous. I've actually been to a drag show - and honestly it was way, way more tame them 90% of concerts I've attended or most widely aired programming. It had a 80s jazzercize vibe - and for the record I brought both my husband and my mother - they thought it was fun, but then they were also cheering on one of the backup dancers and the drag queen in question was fully clothed - not what I find in most "straight" performers nowadays. My first post on this thread I said "Drag shows should be reserved for consenting adults. Children should not be involved. At all." I want to change and clarify that statement. I've been to a few fabulous drag shows way back when. In some, the guys dressed up as iconic singers and belted out their tunes. Some, the guys dressed as their own versions of themselves and sang and performed an act that wasnt lewd or sexual. Sexy, yes, not sexual. These were greatly entertaining, they were amazing in their craft, I loved it, and I wouldn't have objected to kids seeing their performances. At all. Those aren't the kind of shows I have objections to kids seeing. When you're talking about particular times you had sex, talking about particular sex acts and simulating sex, that isn't something kids need to be there for. And I seriously question anyone who would want to perform that way for kids. I could meet you halfway on that. I would tend to think that drag shows advertised as “family friendly” ought to actually be family friendly.
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Post by Merge on Feb 24, 2023 16:31:06 GMT
Bumping this back up to share this article from Texas Tribune, which reports very clearly on the motivation behind current protests of drag shows and the right-wing hysteria about same: www.texastribune.org/2023/02/24/texas-drag-protests-children/And this is exactly why I object so strongly to the outrage about drag shows right now. Labeling people baselessly as sexual predators is dangerous and gets people hurt or killed, as we've seen so tragically in Colorado and, a few years ago, in Florida. Never mind the thousands of smaller acts of violence perpetrated against LGBTQ people in this country every week. We have to speak out against what is happening right now. THIS MUST STOP.
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