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Post by onelasttime on Feb 7, 2023 0:07:10 GMT
So The NY Times did a story on VP Harris with all these anonymous folks saying how bad she is. So her Press Secretary went to work.
What has VP Harris been doing…. Get ready a tweet storm is coming..
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 7, 2023 0:10:10 GMT
And…
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 7, 2023 0:19:53 GMT
One more.
The point is, she is doing her job as VP. She, like all VP’s in the past, well the exception may be Pence, is being exposed to situations that will give her a step up in the ability to do the job as President.
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Post by scrappinmama on Feb 7, 2023 0:28:03 GMT
she was the attorney general for my state. she was dynamic at it. had she been appointed to the Supreme Court, i think she would have been great in that role too. i think the backseat nature of V.P. has muted her a bit these past couple of years. i know it's the nature of that office but it seems like she's kind of stifled in that role. having her in the backseat has made me question her chances of becoming President. if she wasn't in that role, i think she would already be putting herself out there as a possible candidate. I totally agree with you. VPs take a back seat and she's lost her voice a bit. I see all of those tweets showing her track record as VP. But most people won't see that. She will need to stand on her own and be very vocal if there is a chance for her. And even then, some won't ever vote for a woman. For those of you saying that some people won't vote for a woman, I also agree with you on that as well. Time and time again we have seen examples of the hatred that women in power get. I am hopefully that things will change with the younger generation. There is nothing I want more than to see a woman succeed and do an amazing job as U.S President.
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Post by mimima on Feb 7, 2023 0:45:31 GMT
Thank you for asking this question as I keep seeing references to her incompetence and I think that she's doing great.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 7, 2023 0:52:36 GMT
The problem is, she can’t “talk” over the president.
And it doesn’t help that the Republicans are doing hit jobs on the Democrats that they think have a shot of winning the 2024 Presidential race. So far that includes President Biden, VP Harris and now Secretary Pete.
Whatever happened to the good old days when instead of doing these hit jobs there were spirited debates on the issues.
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Post by katlaw on Feb 7, 2023 1:19:45 GMT
I am not American but I read world news and politics every day. I follow news from around the globe. In my opinion:
Kamala Harris is the first woman to be elected as vice president. She is biracial. She is Black, Asian American and Indian American. I have read news articles that Black Americans, Asian Americans and Indian Americans all have expectations of what they expect from her and how they expect her to represent their culture. I have read that she is seen as "not Black enough" and Indian Americans find fault with her for identifying as Asian and not Indian. Asian Americans have been discriminated against since the start of the pandemic and she is expected to represent them. She represents the future of America and mixed race families and it is hard to meet everyone's expectations.
She has also been given more responsibility than most American vice presidents. She has been tasked with dealing with immigration at the U.S.-Mexico border and looking at the root causes of why people are leaving Central America. Both of these items are polarizing and right wing media and MAGA republicans have spread so many lies about what is happening that Americans are finding fault with Harris without exploring all of the issues or what is actually happening at the borders. They are making it sound like the burden to fix these issues are the VP's responsibility alone and stunts like dropping a busload of immigrants in front of her home on Christmas Eve was proof she is not doing her job.
There have been hundreds of thousands of sexist, violent and misogynistic attacks against her on social media. She is a smart, well-educated woman and has to balance speaking her mind and being likable. Americans expect female politicians to be likable. Male politicians don't have to be likable. When she was a candidate for president she was not popular and even though she had the same political views and characteristics when she became a vice presidential candidate she was viewed differently. Now that she was going to be in a subordinate position to a man she was spoken of differently.
The U.S. ranks 51st in gender equality. Until that changes a female vice president is going to struggle to be popular no matter what she is doing. And electing a female president is going to be difficult. Not impossible but there is a lot of work to do to get there.
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Post by papersilly on Feb 7, 2023 4:03:48 GMT
I totally agree with you. VPs take a back seat and she's lost her voice a bit. I see all of those tweets showing her track record as VP. But most people won't see that. She will need to stand on her own and be very vocal if there is a chance for her. And even then, some won't ever vote for a woman.For those of you saying that some people won't vote for a woman, I also agree with you on that as well. Time and time again we have seen examples of the hatred that women in power get. I am hopefully that things will change with the younger generation. There is nothing I want more than to see a woman succeed and do an amazing job as U.S President. And those who won't vote for a BLACK woman. They're out there.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 7, 2023 14:05:22 GMT
I like her and would vote for her for president in a heartbeat. I hope she runs in 2024.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Feb 7, 2023 15:47:57 GMT
My mom was saying this type of thing last night about Harris (and Biden). Instead of mentioning the casual misogyny/racism/ageism that seems to lie beneath her elder boomer heart (lifetime conservative until the last 15 years or so), I just told her she was buying into the narrative that is being sold to her. I mentioned like many of you, it is not the role of the VP to WOW everyone. I asked her what Pence or Biden did when they were VP?
It made her think at least.
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Post by peace on Feb 7, 2023 17:22:42 GMT
I do think we have such an unbelievable level of misogyny running in this country that I don't know how we're going to elect a female president in my lifetime. I guess I'm supposed to be thankful we have some female governors and senators, but it's amazing how incredibly "unlikeable" each one becomes when they are actually in the spotlight. Anyhow, she's more centrist than I would prefer if you were asking me who my ideal candidate would be, but I don't expect much from VPs aside from showing up to break ties in the senate and avoiding being a complete idiot. Misogyny and racism. Harris is the target of both. We have family members who used to refer to President Obama using the n-word, so I think racism a huge part of the reason some people don't like VP Harris. Of course, being a woman is the larger part. A woman just can't win. Either she's "unlikeable and aggressive" or "too soft". It's depressing. And what about the bumper stickers I see "Joe and the Ho gotta go" Seriously??? In what universe is that acceptable? An educated successful woman and because she's a SHE AND a POC- they call her a HO?? That enrages me. It's not funny in any way.
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Post by Merge on Feb 7, 2023 17:33:10 GMT
And why do you think that was? According to everyone here, they're misogynistic and racist. According to everyone here, they're the never-Trump Republicans they hoped to win over are often misogynistic and racist. Fixed that for you. Democrats nominated Hillary and elected Obama. It's only when we make the mistake of attempting to cater to voters on the other side that we have to be cognizant of their racism and misogyny when choosing a candidate.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Feb 7, 2023 17:47:17 GMT
I have sort of find her underwhelming also. I thought she would be more outspoken, and on TV more. Like someone else said, we have seen Pete B every other day on TV. The main thing with republicans and her is her history,and how she came up thru the ranks. The whole affair thing, and then her marriage to a white man. It's so dumb. But it was ok for Trump to be having affairs left and right, and saying dumb things, but Kamala slept her way to the top. So so dumb, but that is the world we live in.
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Post by kimpossible on Feb 7, 2023 23:46:10 GMT
I worked in San Francisco for many years. One of my bosses was part of the SF political scene and so we in our office knew much of the inside stuff in the city and county political scene.
Nancy Pelosi, Gavin Newsom, Barbara Boxer, and Kamala Harris are all products of that democratic machine. Picked, produced, and groomed to move up the democratic ladder. There are many others but obviously, these 4 have done really well. Kamala joined forces with the great Willie Brown a long-term SF and California producer of the democratic party in California.
There is much speculation as to how she got where she is, but I won't go there as I don't have any proof nor do I want to know.
I think the only thing I would say, is all candidates should be chosen on their experience, knowledge and truly for their good work. It seems more often that the machine from which you come is really to be thanked for where they end up - vs. their experience, good works, etc. That is true for most of Washington DC.
I would really love to see a woman run this country one day. I hope it's because they are the best candidate and not because they sold their soul to a political machine.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 7, 2023 23:59:40 GMT
I dont have any strong feelings about her one way or another, which is how I think you're supposed to feel about the VP. Do I think she is the best choice as our next candidate? No. Would I vote for her is she were? Yes, without reservation. This.
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Post by refugeepea on Feb 8, 2023 0:10:05 GMT
My first thought was she is a strong, smart, competent Black, Asian American Woman.
America is full of racists that came out of the woodwork when Trump said the racist things out loud.
Oh, and SHE had an affair. So of course that makes her a Ho. America is full of misogynists too.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 8, 2023 0:25:12 GMT
Willie Brown and his wife are separated and have been since 1982. It was a mutual separation.
Kamala and Willie had a relationship 10 years after the Browns separated. I hardly call that an affair.
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Post by Just T on Feb 8, 2023 17:56:36 GMT
There is a strong feeling that she talks down to people. Hilary always gave the same impression but I voted for both of them anyway. Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just relaying complaints I've heard. Yes I've heard that as well, and I think it's the usual deal -- men can say anything and women can say nothing. This kind of thing pisses me off so much. (NOT shooting the messenger!) Good grief, our last president was a damn bully who called people names and racial slurs on almost a daily basis, bragged about sexually assaulting women whenever he felt like it, and THAT was okay?? But holy shit, a woman better not DARE to talk down to someone. And those who won't vote for a BLACK woman. They're out there. Yep, they sure are. I have a cousin, about as far right wing Christian as one can be, who sang the praises of Amy Coney Barrett, who had almost zero judicial experience, when she became a supreme court justice. Gushed about women crashing through the glass ceiling, etc. And of course, when Ketanji Brown Jackson, ranted about how Biden only appointed her because she is black. I commented on one of her FB posts that at least she had several years of experience as a judge, compared to the previous woman who was appointed with none. She didn't respond to me, of course. And what about the bumper stickers I see "Joe and the Ho gotta go" Seriously??? In what universe is that acceptable? An educated successful woman and because she's a SHE AND a POC- they call her a HO?? That enrages me. It's not funny in any way. I have not seen that, but wow. Again, Trump--serial cheater. Children from 3 different women, cheated on one wife while she was recovering from childbirth. A-OKAY in these f*ing hypocrites minds. Male HOs are perfectly acceptable.
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Post by elaine on Feb 8, 2023 20:15:34 GMT
Misogyny and racism. Harris is the target of both. We have family members who used to refer to President Obama using the n-word, so I think racism a huge part of the reason some people don't like VP Harris. Of course, being a woman is the larger part. A woman just can't win. Either she's "unlikeable and aggressive" or "too soft". It's depressing. And what about the bumper stickers I see " Joe and the Ho gotta go" Seriously??? In what universe is that acceptable? An educated successful woman and because she's a SHE AND a POC- they call her a HO?? That enrages me. It's not funny in any way. When we were at Myrtle Beach last summer, several shops in Boardwalk at the Beach had t-shirts with this emblazoned on the and displayed in the front windows along with a variety of pro-Trump and conspiracy sayings. It made me so angry.
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Post by papersilly on Feb 8, 2023 23:36:41 GMT
Misogyny and racism. Harris is the target of both. And what about the bumper stickers I see "Joe and the Ho gotta go" Seriously??? In what universe is that acceptable? An educated successful woman and because she's a SHE AND a POC- they call her a HO?? That enrages me. It's not funny in any way. Nothing much shocks me these days but when i saw bumper stickers, shirts, and flags calling her names, i was really shocked and disgusted. for all that she has accomplished, they reduced her to being just a "ho" and worse. i've seen stuff said about Trump but not to the disgusting level that have subjected Harris to.
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