Nanner
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Post by Nanner on Feb 20, 2023 2:44:49 GMT
I'm sorry your experience was awful. My father died in hospice just over a week ago. It was a very calm, peaceful place and the care he received was amazing. I guess they're all different. I am sorry for your loss and glad you had a positive experience with hospice. Iknow it's great for a lot of people and it's not a knock on hospice; I just feel like I was completely unprepared for the possibility that it would not be a peaceful family time. My father was unable to rest and was up every hour 24-7; they couldn't get his meds managed; and he was yelling at everyone, which meant my mother was yelling at everyone, and the hospice people threatened multiple times to call in APS because of how volatile things became. The day he died he was still yelling at everyone all morning, and I found him dead in his room while my mother and the hospice nurse were hashing out a new med schedule. I had to deal with dressing him for the workers who carried him out, as well as holding doors open for them when they had him in a body bag, because that wasn't part of what our hospice people did and my mother was in no shape. I wish all hospice experiences were great (and, again, this isn't a knock on the hospice program--I've talked to other people where things weren't the peaceful ending you hope for). Honestly it sounds terrible but the two days he spent in a facility before they decided he wasn't sick enough to keep were the only days that were ok, because he was still yelling, but you could leave the room and know he was safe. That sounds HORRIBLE! I'm so sorry. For that and for your loss.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 21, 2023 4:39:50 GMT
He is probably the best ex-president. His presidency is frequently criticized, but he did accomplish a lot. He never let political calculations get in the way of doing the right thing. We certainly could use more politicians like him. Looking back, I see Carter more favorably and Ronald Reagan less favorably. This is similar to what someone else posted earlier. www.nytimes.com/2023/02/20/opinion/kai-bird-jimmy-carter-life.htmlHis presidency is remembered, simplistically, as a failure, yet it was more consequential than most recall. He delivered the Camp David peace accords between Egypt and Israel, the SALT II arms control agreement, normalization of diplomatic and trade relations with China and immigration reform. He made the principle of human rights a cornerstone of U.S. foreign policy, planting the seeds for the unraveling of the Cold War in Eastern Europe and Russia.
He deregulated the airline industry, paving the way for middle-class Americans to fly for the first time in large numbers, and he regulated natural gas, laying the groundwork for our current energy independence. He worked to require seatbelts or airbags, which would go on to save 9,000 American lives each year. He inaugurated the nation’s investment in research on solar energy and was one of the first presidents to warn us about the dangers of climate change. He rammed through the Alaska Land Act, tripling the size of the nation’s protected wilderness areas. His deregulation of the home-brewing industry opened the door to America’s thriving boutique beer industry. He appointed more African Americans, Hispanics and women to the federal bench, substantially increasing their numbers.
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Post by librarylady on Feb 21, 2023 16:02:15 GMT
Perhaps a ridiculous question---Does this mean his cancer has returned and he is just accepting that his life has been long and full and therefore refusing any treatment?
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Post by moodyblue on Feb 21, 2023 19:58:38 GMT
I think Jimmy Carter was a much better President than most people believe. The accomplishments listed here were huge, and his willingness to tackle the tough issues no matter how it impacted him politically makes him even more admirable, in my opinion.
His life after his presidency has been just as admirable, maybe more so. He never stopped giving, working, demonstrating how to treat other people. I think he is the shining example of what true human decency looks like.
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Post by mimima on Feb 21, 2023 22:38:11 GMT
Perhaps a ridiculous question---Does this mean his cancer has returned and he is just accepting that his life has been long and full and therefore refusing any treatment? I haven't heard the specifics.
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Post by quiltz on Feb 21, 2023 23:47:04 GMT
Perhaps a ridiculous question---Does this mean his cancer has returned and he is just accepting that his life has been long and full and therefore refusing any treatment? At 98 years old, what treatment would you suggest a person undergo? Certainly the treatment would be horrible and really, how many people live to 98?
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Post by dnkmmw on Feb 22, 2023 0:43:51 GMT
Perhaps a ridiculous question---Does this mean his cancer has returned and he is just accepting that his life has been long and full and therefore refusing any treatment? I don't think it's a ridiculous question, but we may never know his exact reasons for entering hospice. However, this, "just accepting that his life has been long and full and therefore refusing any treatment" doesn't sit well with me. When my Dad entered hospice at 69, I don't think he felt his life had been long enough and probably not even full enough and I don't think he "just" accepted it. Dawn
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Post by mom on Feb 22, 2023 0:51:10 GMT
Perhaps a ridiculous question---Does this mean his cancer has returned and he is just accepting that his life has been long and full and therefore refusing any treatment? I don't think it's a ridiculous question, but we may never know his exact reasons for entering hospice. However, this, "just accepting that his life has been long and full and therefore refusing any treatment" doesn't sit well with me. When my Dad entered hospice at 69, I don't think he felt his life had been long enough and probably not even full enough and I don't think he "just" accepted it. Dawn I don't think librarylady is saying that all that enter Hospice could feel that way, but at 98, I don't think it's unreasonable that President Carter could feel this way. There's a BIG difference in 98 and 69. Let's face it, at 98 there is probably multiple things going wrong that the treatments could be more taxing than its worth.
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Post by peaname on Feb 22, 2023 1:32:38 GMT
To qualify for hospice a physician has to certify that you have less than six months to live. I hope his last days are comfortable.
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Post by RosieKat on Feb 22, 2023 19:33:05 GMT
I think they are saying that whatever the medical problem is, it is not worth the risk or pain or money to try to treat it. That could be due to many reasons, perhaps the severity of the issue, perhaps due to complications because of his age, perhaps the possible reward is not worth the risk, or many other things. And of course, life in hospital is not pleasant by any standards. It is possible he could scrape out some more time, but is a few months alive in the hospital before death better than a few days or weeks more comfortably at home, with your loved ones? (And we all may have different, equally valid responses to that, of course.)
He is perhaps my biggest hero. It changed my life when he spoke at my university graduation. I didn't know a ton about him before that - I was around for his election and presidency, of course, but just picked up on everyone mocking him more than anything. (Not saying my family did, as that was NOT the case, but just the common perception.) And since then, I've tried to learn as much as I can, and to emulate him in some small way. People forget he was a Navy hero, he fought to eradicate diseases in the world, so many different things. He was a deep and abiding Christian yet understood that godly people come in all traditions. He was still walking the walk until he literally couldn't.
The best I can do to honor him is to try to be a light in the world in my own small way.
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Post by monklady123 on Feb 22, 2023 22:17:45 GMT
To qualify for hospice a physician has to certify that you have less than six months to live. I hope his last days are comfortable. This isn't true anymore, thankfully. Both of my parents benefitted from longer than that... My dad for over a year and my mom for almost a year.
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Post by bluebird71 on Feb 23, 2023 18:00:51 GMT
Former US President Jimmy Carter will begin receiving hospice care, according to a statement from The Carter Center on Saturday. “After a series of short hospital stays, former US President Jimmy Carter today decided to spend his remaining time at home with his family and receive hospice care instead of additional medical intervention. He has the full support of his family and his medical team,” the statement said. I am so very sad to hear this. The man has done so much good in his life, especially after he left office.
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Post by peaname on Mar 15, 2023 1:47:13 GMT
To qualify for hospice a physician has to certify that you have less than six months to live. I hope his last days are comfortable. This isn't true anymore, thankfully. Both of my parents benefitted from longer than that... My dad for over a year and my mom for almost a year. Just because they lived longer and I’m glad to hear you had more time doesn’t mean that they were not certified by a physician for having six months or less to live. It’s not an exact science but the hospice company I work with gets penalized for having too many live discharges. You can Google hospice criteria and see how strict it is.
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