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Post by aj2hall on Mar 23, 2023 21:32:32 GMT
Update 3/30 Just as I was starting to lose hope this would ever happen, Trump was indicted by the NY grand jury! www.nytimes.comGrand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York: Live Updates Mr. Trump will be the first former president to face criminal charges. The precise charges are not yet known, but the case is focused on a hush-money payment to a porn star during his 2016 campaign. www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/30/trump-ny-indictment/JUSTICE Trump indicted by N.Y. grand jury, first ex-president charged with crime A Manhattan grand jury has voted to indict former president Donald Trump, multiple people familiar the matter said on Thursday, making him the first person in U.S. history to serve as commander in chief and then be charged with a crime. The grand jury had been hearing evidence about hush money paid to adult film actress Stormy Daniels during Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign, allegedly to keep her from saying she’d had a sexual encounter with Trump years earlier.
Sorry, I know there are a few threads about possible charges. But, both were polls and these opinions didn't seem directly relevant to either one. 2 really great points heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/march-22-2023?r=1f0orz&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=emailAs Representative Ted Lieu (D-CA) pointed out today, when “Cohen was arrested, indicted, convicted, and went to prison for participating in an illegal hush money payment scheme to Stormy Daniels, not a single Republican leader complaining now said a thing about what happened to Michael Cohen.” So why the rush to defend Trump in the same case? But for all that the case we are currently hearing so much about seems less serious on its face than the other things charged to Trump's account, a hush-money payment to silence someone whose story might have affected the 2016 election is no laughing matter.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 23, 2023 21:56:00 GMT
Trump's post are increasingly more unhinged. Referring to the DA as "an animal" is completely despicable. And so much for Republican support for states' rights. Only when its convenient, apparently. Bragg's office fired back at Jim Jordan & Republican demands www.nytimes.com/2023/03/23/nyregion/bragg-trump-jordan-congress.htmlThe Manhattan district attorney on Thursday responded to House Republicans who have scrutinized his office’s criminal investigation into Donald J. Trump, pushing back forcefully against what the office called an inappropriate attempt by Congress to impede a local prosecution.
The response from the district attorney’s office, signed by its general counsel, Leslie Dubeck, called the request from the chairmen “an unprecedented inquiry into a pending local prosecution.”
“The letter’s requests are an unlawful incursion into New York’s sovereignty,” she wrote.
The letter from House Republicans, Ms. Dubeck wrote, “only came after Donald Trump created a false expectation that he would be arrested the next day and his lawyers reportedly urged you to intervene.” She added, “Neither fact is a legitimate basis for congressional inquiry.”
Mr. Trump, for his own part, used racist language to describe the district attorney on Thursday, referring to Mr. Bragg, who is Black, as an “animal” in a post on his social media platform.
full letter here int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/manhattan-district-attorney-letter-to-congressional-republicans/f8702c119988471c/full.pdf
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 23, 2023 22:10:28 GMT
They didn't complain about Cohen being arrested and going to prison too much. It was easier to blame Cohen for the whole mess.
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 23, 2023 22:13:46 GMT
I love following Ted Lieu on Twitter. He has such a great, concise way of making a point.
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 23, 2023 22:16:18 GMT
I am just over all the posts on Twitter with speculations and what they think will go down.
Just arrest the mother F'er already and out his a$$ in prison.
Over it. Just do it.
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 23, 2023 22:17:34 GMT
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Post by Gem Girl on Mar 23, 2023 22:18:20 GMT
Trump's post are increasingly more unhinged. Referring to the DA as "an animal" is completely despicable. And so much for Republican support for states' rights. Only when its convenient, apparently. Unhinged is the exact word I've been thinking, SMH. No surprise that he goes to racist invective as it's intrinsic to the person he is. And, of course, he has to use the most vile insult he can think of. "Take THAT!" says the brat, after telling his mommy he hates her for making him take his nap. He must be really becoming terrified. Imagine his horror to find that throngs didn't flood the streets in protest on his command, LOL.
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 23, 2023 22:18:50 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 23, 2023 22:19:03 GMT
Sorry, I know there are a few threads about possible charges. But, both were polls and these opinions didn't seem directly relevant to either one. 2 really great points heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/march-22-2023?r=1f0orz&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=emailAs Representative Ted Lieu (D-CA) pointed out today, when “Cohen was arrested, indicted, convicted, and went to prison for participating in an illegal hush money payment scheme to Stormy Daniels, not a single Republican leader complaining now said a thing about what happened to Michael Cohen.” So why the rush to defend Trump in the same case? But for all that the case we are currently hearing so much about seems less serious on its face than the other things charged to Trump's account, a hush-money payment to silence someone whose story might have affected the 2016 election is no laughing matter.It’s a great point, and the answer has something to do with all of those black velvet paintings of Trump as a warrior(🙄) and Trump getting a hug from Jesus. They are emotionally attached to him for some reason that I will never understand. They really believe that he cares about them. 🤦♀️
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 23, 2023 22:25:58 GMT
I love following Ted Lieu on Twitter. He has such a great, concise way of making a point. Just looked at his twitter posts. Agree 100%
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 23, 2023 22:30:01 GMT
I am just over all the posts on Twitter with speculations and what they think will go down. Just arrest the mother F'er already and out his a$$ in prison. Over it. Just do it. Sorry, I think there will be lots more speculation before any action. The grand jury in the Manhattan case isn't meeting again until Monday. And then there are all of the other possible charges. The only certainty - Trump will fight every one of them, insult the prosecutors, accuse the Democrats of witch hunts & play the victim card. www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/23/trump-grand-jury-delay-monday/
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 23, 2023 22:32:12 GMT
All of the Republicans coming to Trump's defense - I have not heard a single one suggest that Trump is innocent. They just deflect and accuse Democrats of political with hunts.
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Post by papersilly on Mar 23, 2023 22:37:42 GMT
i think alot of their voter base is tied to trump so they have to defend him. he translates to votes/re-election for some (or many) of them. it's gross. that, and they don't want to be against the bullying side of him.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 24, 2023 13:49:57 GMT
Curious about how his testimony will go today. Interesting that he is not planning to invoke the 5th amendment www.nytimes.com/2023/03/23/us/politics/trump-documents-special-counsel-grand-jury.htmlCourt Action Underscores Peril for Trump in Documents Investigation Federal prosecutors continue to build a case that the former president obstructed efforts by the government to reclaim classified material and that he may have misled his own lawyer.
Still, the accumulation of details emerging from the proceedings suggests that Mr. Smith and his team are drilling down on every scrap of evidence they can find in assembling an argument that Mr. Trump may have impeded a federal investigation. For their part, some of Mr. Trump’s aides have stated plainly if privately that the government — and, in their minds, Judge Howell — see him as “a criminal.”
Mr. Corcoran, who testified before the grand jury earlier this year, is set to appear before the grand jury again on Friday in compliance with rulings from both Judge Howell and the appeals court. According to two people familiar with the events, he is not intending to invoke his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination when he testifies, underscoring that he is not the target of the special counsel’s scrutiny.
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Post by amom23 on Mar 24, 2023 14:12:02 GMT
i think alot of their voter base is tied to trump so they have to defend him. he translates to votes/re-election for some (or many) of them. it's gross. that, and they don't want to be against the bullying side of him. I've always felt that if the entire Republican party kicked Trump to the curb his followers would get over him too. I mean it's not like any of those people are going to suddenly start voting Democratic.
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Post by Mel on Mar 24, 2023 14:18:26 GMT
I think ALL of his name-calling has always been disgusting. We are not in grammar school anymore where you need to call the other kids mean names to make them feel bad. He is a bully. Period. And, yes, I'm aware I just called him a "name" but I am not a public figure who should know better and use discretion.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 24, 2023 14:46:12 GMT
Sometimes in their effort to be anti-Biden, anti-Democrats, Republicans are their own worst enemy. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/24/trump-indictment-truth-social-post-gop-reaction/In the race by MAGA World to circle the wagons around Donald Trump in the Stormy Daniels case, a special prize must go to those who not only attack those investigating the former president but also defend his behavior with the adult-film actress as totally and completely normal.
In reality, he wasn’t arrested Tuesday. Or Wednesday. Or the rest of the week. Maybe he’ll yet be indicted in New York, Georgia or Washington. Maybe he won’t. Regardless, he already notched a significant victory. House Republicans didn’t wait to see whether Trump was speaking the truth about his imminent arrest. They did as he commanded, leaping to his defense — and, in the process, returning him to his previous place of dominance atop the Republican Party. It’s all about Donald Trump — again.
Inevitably, Republicans found themselves not only denouncing the prosecutor but also defending Trump’s behavior. McCarthy vouched for Trump by saying that the hush money paid to Daniels “was personal money” and that Trump “wasn’t trying to hide” it — claims that are challenged by the available facts. (Fox News host Jesse Watters did McCarthy one better in Trump’s defense, telling viewers: “There’s no proof Trump slept with Stormy. There’s no baby.”)
Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.) put it best when she told Punchbowl News: “The House is gonna do what the House is gonna do.”
And what it did this week was to put Trump back in unquestioned command of the Republican Party.
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Post by papersilly on Mar 24, 2023 19:23:39 GMT
i think alot of their voter base is tied to trump so they have to defend him. he translates to votes/re-election for some (or many) of them. it's gross. that, and they don't want to be against the bullying side of him. I've always felt that if the entire Republican party kicked Trump to the curb his followers would get over him too. I mean it's not like any of those people are going to suddenly start voting Democratic. The GOP has Stockholm Syndrome.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 24, 2023 21:28:32 GMT
He's becoming more and more unhinged. And it could get worse tomorrow. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/24/trump-hush-money-death-destruction/Former president Donald Trump warned early Friday of “potential death & destruction” if he is charged in Manhattan in a criminal case related to alleged hush-money payments to adult-film actress Stormy Daniels to conceal an affair.The posting after midnight on Truth Social, Trump’s social media platform, was his latest — and most explicit — allusion to violence that could follow an indictment stemming from an investigation led by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg (D), whom Trump called a “degenerate psychopath.”Trump wrote: “What kind of person can charge another person, in this case a former President of the United States, who got more votes than any sitting President in history, and leading candidate (by far!) for the Republican Party nomination, with a Crime, when it is known by all that NO Crime has been committed, & also known that potential death & destruction in such a false charge could be catastrophic for our Country?”The twice-impeached former president’s rhetoric is reckless, reprehensible and irresponsible,” Jeffries said at a news conference. “It’s dangerous. And if he keeps it up, he’s going to get someone killed.”www.nytimes.com/2023/03/21/us/politics/trump-2024-campaign-indictment.htmlOn Saturday in Waco, Texas, Mr. Trump is set to host the first large event of his 2024 campaign, returning to his cherished rally stage — where he is often at his most reckless.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 25, 2023 0:43:16 GMT
I'm not a fan of Christie, but I agree with him. www.nytimes.com/2023/03/21/us/politics/trump-2024-campaign-indictment.html“The circus continues,” former Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, a Republican and a former federal prosecutor, said on Sunday on ABC. “He only profits and does well in chaos and turmoil, and so he wants to create the chaos and turmoil on his terms — he doesn’t want it on anybody else’s terms.”
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 25, 2023 23:03:17 GMT
I really wish he would just go away, I wish we could just be done with him. Regrettably, he's not going away anytime soon. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/25/trump-2024-gop/there is only one political strategy for Trump: attack, attack, attack. The former president will continue to try to turn every legal investigation into a political fight, as he has done since he became president. He will play victim and demand that his party defend him against the Democrats, the legal system, the left and the media.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 25, 2023 23:18:06 GMT
I really wish he would just go away, I wish we could just be done with him. Regrettably, he's not going away anytime soon. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/25/trump-2024-gop/there is only one political strategy for Trump: attack, attack, attack. The former president will continue to try to turn every legal investigation into a political fight, as he has done since he became president. He will play victim and demand that his party defend him against the Democrats, the legal system, the left and the media.I also kind of expect Jr to run at some point.
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Post by Gennifer on Mar 26, 2023 0:45:56 GMT
i think alot of their voter base is tied to trump so they have to defend him. he translates to votes/re-election for some (or many) of them. it's gross. that, and they don't want to be against the bullying side of him. I've always felt that if the entire Republican party kicked Trump to the curb his followers would get over him too. I mean it's not like any of those people are going to suddenly start voting Democratic. I wouldn’t be so sure… look at the Bernie Bros/Never Hilary people who voted for Trump in 2016.
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Post by candleangie on Mar 26, 2023 4:40:00 GMT
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 26, 2023 16:45:01 GMT
I really wish he would just go away, I wish we could just be done with him. Regrettably, he's not going away anytime soon. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/25/trump-2024-gop/there is only one political strategy for Trump: attack, attack, attack. The former president will continue to try to turn every legal investigation into a political fight, as he has done since he became president. He will play victim and demand that his party defend him against the Democrats, the legal system, the left and the media.I also kind of expect Jr to run at some point. I really don’t think Jr. would get very much traction. Every time I’ve seen him on video in the last several years he looks and acts like he’s high.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2023 21:42:32 GMT
Just as I was starting to lose hope this would ever happen, Trump was indicted by the NY grand jury! www.nytimes.comGrand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York: Live UpdatesMr. Trump will be the first former president to face criminal charges. The precise charges are not yet known, but the case is focused on a hush-money payment to a porn star during his 2016 campaign.www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/30/trump-ny-indictment/JUSTICETrump indicted by N.Y. grand jury, first ex-president charged with crime A Manhattan grand jury has voted to indict former president Donald Trump, multiple people familiar the matter said on Thursday, making him the first person in U.S. history to serve as commander in chief and then be charged with a crime. The grand jury had been hearing evidence about hush money paid to adult film actress Stormy Daniels during Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign, allegedly to keep her from saying she’d had a sexual encounter with Trump years earlier.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2023 21:57:03 GMT
www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news/3ab72406-0615-582c-999e-b6e060048077?smid=url-shareTrump is at Mar-a-Lago absorbing this information, according to aides. It’s not at clear what his next move will be. Trump aides were caught off guard by this happening today, according to several people close to the former president. They had believed reports by some news outlets that the grand jury in Manhattan was not hearing the Trump case. Some advisers had been confident that there would be no movement until the end of April at the earliest, and were looking at the political implications for Trump’s closest potential rival, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2023 21:57:48 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2023 21:58:54 GMT
www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-newsWhile the charges remain a mystery, Mr. Trump is the first former or current president to be indicted. Nearly two weeks ago, he inaccurately predicted his own arrest. It is likely that the district attorney’s office will now seek to arrange his surrender.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2023 22:00:38 GMT
www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news/ffdc7e85-d1ed-52bd-a955-27159dd3588a?smid=url-shareMichael Cohen, the key witness in the case, said in a statement: “For the first time in our Country’s history, a President (current or former) of the United States has been indicted. I take no pride in issuing this statement and wish to also remind everyone of the presumption of innocence; as provided by the due process clause. However, I do take solace in validating the adage that no one is above the law; not even a former President. Today’s indictment is not the end of this chapter; but rather, just the beginning. Now that the charges have been filed, it is better for the case to let the indictment speak for itself. The two things I wish to say at this time is that accountability matters and I stand by my testimony and the evidence I have provided to DANY.”
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