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Post by onelasttime on Aug 5, 2023 21:20:03 GMT
That’s true.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 5, 2023 21:23:06 GMT
What can’t “allow” what to go on? The rule of law? Hint: Asking people to go to bat for you works better when you don't call them horrible names first. And, your urging them to be "tough" means little coming from the world's worst whiner over the age of 3. The opposition, Hillary, called them deplorable. TFG calls his followers weak jerks etc..... Add in more threats... Fight fire with fire!! |
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 5, 2023 21:47:28 GMT
Like I said she isn’t wasting any time…
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 5, 2023 22:01:10 GMT
Trump’s threats & the protective order joycevance.substack.com/p/if-you-go-after-meToday, Donald Trump issued what can only be construed as a shot across the bow, after the Magistrate Judge Moxila Upadhyaya admonished him during arraignment yesterday that he must not commit any new crimes while on a pre-trial bond—the thing that’s keeping him out of jail before trial—and that efforts to influence or intimidate witnesses, jurors or others involved in the case were illegal. So, Trump posted this on Truth Social this afternoon. Image It couldn’t be more clear that this is a threat to Jack Smith and the prosecutors and investigators involved in the case against him. It’s readily construed as a threat against state court prosecutors like Alvin Bragg in New York and Fani Willis in Georgia and could even be seen as a threat to people like E. Jean Carroll who have the temerity to hold him accountable for civil misconduct. That’s a threat, made by a defendant in a criminal case, after being warned by a judge that there were consequences for violating conditions of release. Trump may think he can be cute and deny it if confronted. Maybe he’ll use his usual line: it’s just a joke. But we can all see it for what it is. The special counsel’s office alerted the Judge to the post tonight, as part of its motion seeking a protective order for the discovery materials it will be releasing to Trump in the case. The government wants assurances, in the form of a protective order, that Trump won’t make the discovery materials public. There is good reason for this. Some of the discovery contains personal identifying information for witnesses. If publicly disclosed, that could put them at risk of doxxing, identity theft or other harm. There is also grand jury testimony from witnesses, who might be put at risk if they find themselves suddenly in the public spotlight. As the government explains in its motion, “If the defendant were to begin issuing public posts using details—or, for example, grand jury transcripts—obtained in discovery here, it could have a harmful chilling effect on witnesses or adversely affect the fair administration of justice in this case.” Prosecutors haven’t asked the court, at least not yet, to revoke Trump’s bond. That, of course, would be a step that would trigger prolonged litigation and possibly delay the trial. That seems to be the one thing Jack Smith is trying to avoid at all costs. He has made strategic decisions, for instance, only indicting Trump and leaving the co-conspirators unindicted, that streamline the process. He clearly wants his trial before the election. A motion to rescind Trump’s bond based on this one post might not be successful. But he has a history of threatening prosecutors, as well as of making nasty statements about judges and witnesses. It’s more than just the one statement. It wouldn’t be inappropriate to force him to explain why his bond shouldn’t be revoked at this juncture. But Smith is taking the high road, not because he’s showing any special deference to Trump, but because he wants to avoid distraction and keep his case moving towards trial. That’s his clear north star. The government has to establish that a defendant is a flight risk or a danger to the community in order to detain him in pre-trial custody. The statute that governs release or detention of a defendant pending trial, 18 USC § 3142, permits the court to craft conditions of release that prevent the defendant from endangering the community, if he would present a risk if released without them. At arraignment, the judge imposed the condition specifically authorized by the statute, that Trump’s release was “subject to the condition that the person not commit a Federal, State, or local crime during the period of release.” This is remarkable when you think about it. The former president of the United States presents such a danger to the community that he could not be released without imposing the condition designed to prevent him from harming people. The statute also permits the judge to impose additional conditions if necessary, so long as they are “the least restrictive further condition, or combination of conditions, that…will reasonably assure the appearance of the person as required and the safety of any other person and the community.” This portion of the statute permits judges to prohibit contact with witnesses, which we’ve seen happen to Trump both in Florida and in this new case in Washington, D.C., again, a remarkable marker of Trump’s demonstrated potential for criminality. If the Judge deems it appropriate, she could add additional conditions to Trump’s release based on this conduct. Much of the threat Trump presents is his ability to use social media to inflame his base. It only takes one person, hearing Trump’s message as a request for help, to act out in a violent way. After the search at Mar-a-Lago and Trump’s posts condemning law enforcement, an Ohio man, Ricky Shiffer, was killed while attacking an FBI office in response. Trump is on notice that his words provoke people to violence—we’ve seen it a number of times and, of course, on January 6. There is no reason to indulge him further and wait until more tragic violence takes place. The government has now put the Judge on notice of Trump’s actions. While it may be premature to detain him at this point, it’s not premature to demand an explanation of his behavior, to reiterate his conditions of release, and to make sure he understands he now lives in a world where there are consequences for breaking the rules. And then to follow through if Trump can’t comport himself like any other defendant in a criminal case must, if they wish to remain out of custody ahead of their trial. We’re in this together, Joyce “If you go after me, I’ll come after you.” What can one say of someone like this? It’s like every time a person of authority such as a magistrate tells him he cannot do something, he goes right ahead and does it anyway. His campaign says it was directed at RINOS, China-loving PACs, etc, not prosecutors or witnesses. (Yeah, sure. One day after his arraignment he’s thinking about RINOS and PACs that love China when he’d just been charged with four felony counts, bringing his total counts to almost 80 by now in three jurisdictions. He must be super-duper able to compartmentalize to a high degree because any other defendant would be consumed by how to save himself. Eyeroll.) Any person not addled by MAGA-ism recognizes that Truth Social post is a threat of retaliation against prosecutors and/or witnesses. Which doesn’t surprise me in the least bit. As sure as night follows day, any number of his six unindicted co-conspirators have either already flipped or will flip to save their own behinds. They’d be spectacularly stupid if they hadn’t entered into cooperation agreements by now because I’ll bet there are already sealed indictments on some or all of them. I’m sure they’ve already figured out the reason Meadows isn’t on the indictment as a co-conspirator when he’s equally as culpable as any of them, if not more so. This post is Trump delivering a message to those six. The next time this happens, I wouldn’t hesitate if I were Smith—I’d file a motion for a show cause hearing, drag Trump’s backside to court and have him prove why he’s not violating his terms of release. If he can’t prove it, I’d ask the court to remand him into custody. Of course there’s a huge political concern here because he’s a candidate, but if he’s allowed to continue this behavior without consequence, then he’ll keep doing it. If this were you or I who did this, we’d already be in jail pending trial. |
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Post by dawnnikol on Aug 5, 2023 22:51:56 GMT
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Post by morecowbell on Aug 6, 2023 0:01:13 GMT
If Trump is guilty he should and will do the time. That's how it works and I'm good with that.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 6, 2023 0:22:29 GMT
That didn't take long. He can't help himself. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 6, 2023 0:27:17 GMT
Get ready. September will be ugly. And Republicans have completely abandoned the party of law & order. www.nytimes.com/2023/08/04/us/politics/trump-house-budget-fbi-republicans.htmlTrump Indictment Presents New Obstacle in Spending Fight as Shutdown Looms
The far right is pushing to cut funding for the F.B.I. and the Justice Department, another complication for Speaker Kevin McCarthy as he seeks to avoid a government shutdown.
Any attempt by the House to do his [Trump's} bidding would be dead on arrival in the Democratic-led Senate and at President Biden’s White House. But the Republican unrest over the indictment appears to have injected a powerful new political incentive into the struggle over spending, increasing Republicans’ appetite for a shutdown fight. That could present a difficult new dynamic for Mr. McCarthy as he seeks to placate the conservative wing of his party while avoiding a lapse in government funding on Oct. 1.
A right-wing advocacy group with significant influence among the most conservative House Republicans has been clamoring for months for deep cuts and “systemic changes” to the F.B.I., an approach that could gain momentum in light of the indictment. Lawmakers who had been hesitant to slash the law enforcement budget may now be emboldened to do so.
“Ending the weaponization of the F.B.I. means defunding the worst areas of corruption & the focus on intelligence that led it away from actual law enforcement,” Russ Vought, a former top Trump administration budget official who now leads the right-wing Center for Renewing America, wrote late last month on X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter.
Mr. Vought’s group called for more than $2.5 billion in F.B.I. reductions — a nearly 25 percent cut. Those cuts would be far below the reductions House Republicans are already considering in what is already seen as an austere plan.
When Congress returns in September, the House and Senate will have just a few weeks to try to pass their spending bills and reconcile their significant differences before the Sept. 30 deadline marking the end of the fiscal year, an outcome that seems highly unlikely.
To avoid a shutdown, Congress would then need to pass a stopgap spending bill, but even that temporary solution is no sure thing, given conservative demands for guarantees of deep spending cuts before moving forward.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 6, 2023 0:33:10 GMT
Trump's lawyers are using their standard delay tactic, but the judge gave them until 5 pm Monday. Hoping that is a good sign that she won't tolerate his bullish&t. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/05/trump-protective-order/The government’s proposed agreement — called a protective order — dictates that Trump and his lawyers not disclose any of the materials they receive during the discovery process to people who are not authorized by the court to have knowledge of the materials.
Prosecutors said that while the agreement is not stricter than ones in standard criminal cases, it is particularly important in this case because Trump has posted on social media about judges, lawyers and witnesses involved in the multiple ongoing cases in which he is a defendant.
The filing includes an image of a threatening post that Trump wrote on the Truth Social platform earlier Friday afternoon, apparently in reference to the D.C. case, that reads: “IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING AFTER YOU!”
Also on Saturday, Trump took aim at his former vice president, Mike Pence, whose handwritten notes form a key part of the indictment against him. According to the indictment, Trump denounced Pence for being “too honest” as Trump pressured Pence to overturn the election.
Trump said in a message on his Trump Social site that he never told “Pence to put me above the Constitution, or that Mike was ‘too honest.’ He’s delusional, and now he wants to show he’s a tough guy.”
The government’s lawyers also said they wanted to get the protective order settled quickly so they could begin the discovery process — and move forward with pretrial proceedings.
“If the defendant were to begin issuing public posts using details — or, for example, grand jury transcripts — obtained in discovery here, it could have a harmful chilling effect on witnesses or adversely affect the fair administration of justice in this case,” reads the filing, signed by special counsel Jack Smith.
The filing also states that Trump and his attorneys should be barred from writing down any identifying information about people involved in the case.
Chutkan responded early Saturday and ordered Trump’s defense to respond to the government request by 5 p.m. Monday, including any changes they propose.
Prosecutors shot back their response later Saturday, saying that the Monday deadline should stick. They criticized Trump’s attorneys for wasting time requesting that the judge grant them an extension instead of complying with the order.
“The defendant’s extension motion proposes unnecessary delay to normal order,” prosecutors wrote.
Hours later, the judge denied Trump’s request and kept the Monday deadline in place. |
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 6, 2023 0:37:35 GMT
That didn't take long. He can't help himself. I can't believe anyone who cares about him is letting him have a phone or internet access. What do you think his lawyers are thinking? |
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 6, 2023 0:38:30 GMT
Another thing I learned today while hanging out on YouTube after Tim Holtz did his thing was just how small the cockpits are in fighter jets.
So small the pilots have notes and maps and even a tablet somehow fasten to their thighs when they are sitting. I guess that’s a good use of space but still.
Now you know!
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 6, 2023 0:39:31 GMT
She makes an interesting point. DeSantis is not the problem. The racist Republican agenda is the problem - suppressing minority voter turnout, whitewashing history, celebrating confederate flags and generals etc. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/04/newsletter-republicans-desperation/Republicans insist they are misunderstood on race. Sure, they extol Confederate generals, abhor affirmative action, feature neo-Nazis on social media, make excuses for slavery and think White people are the real victims of discrimination but, gosh darn it, stop calling them racists! Well, these days, they hardly bother to disguise their real views on race.
In Alabama, we’re back to the massive resistance, the movement in Southern states post-Brown v. Board of Education to delay or outright defy the Supreme Court’s order to desegregate. The court, you’ll recall, in June ordered Alabama to redo its congressional districts to provide a second majority-Black congressional district. The state defied the court’s plain instruction.
Here we have yet another example, contrary to Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr.’s assertion in Shelby County v. Holder (striking down the preclearance provision in Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act), that voting discrimination is very much alive in states that previously had to get Justice Department approval for voting changes. Now, Republicans openly flaunt their determination to subvert Black voting power. And if you thought this was an isolated event, remember that Republicans across the country have passed and are still dreaming up hundreds of bills to suppress minority turnout.
Meanwhile, many Black Republicans are appalled at Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s defense of a state history curriculum that finds a silver lining in slavery. Politico reported that, following the admonishment from African American Rep. Byron Donalds (R-Fla.) and DeSantis’s nasty retort, some Black conservatives “fear the issue will play into Democrats’ characterization of Republicans as favoring a whitewashing of American history.” Gosh this “unforced error,” they think, came just when they imagine “they’ve been making significant strides within the party.” Two Black GOP presidential candidates — former Texas congressman Will Hurd and Sen. Tim Scott (S.C.) — criticized DeSantis but evidenced no animosity toward a party determined to reduce Black voting strength.Hurd, Scott and other GOP apologists are in denial: Editing racial history, minimizing the impact of slavery, exaggerating White victimhood, venerating the Confederacy and minimizing Black voting power are central to the current GOP’s identity. DeSantis is not the problem; he’s an example of a party deformed and debased by white nationalism. Perhaps this incident (or the Alabama Republicans’ resistance) will open their eyes to the party’s true character. But don’t count on it. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 6, 2023 0:42:13 GMT
That didn't take long. He can't help himself. I can't believe anyone who cares about him is letting him have a phone or internet access. What do you think his lawyers are thinking? I think anyone who agrees to be his lawyer knows that 1. They will not be able to control him. Trump will just do whatever he wants 2. Trump will trash them, discard them and leave them to take the fall when they are no longer useful to him But hey now that his campaign is paying his legal bills, at least they'll get paid. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 6, 2023 0:47:26 GMT
DeSantis may not be THE problem but he sure is standing up front waving a confederate flag with a nazi flag for the world to see.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 6, 2023 0:47:50 GMT
2 bright spots and reasons for optimism in Trump's court cases this week. I would add a 3rd - Judge Chutkan told Trump's lawyers they have until 5 pm on Monday to respond to the request for a protective order
In an era in which truth is under systematic attack from MAGA cultists and right-wing pundits who should know better, we are delighted to see two judges — in separate cases, one state and one federal — engage in some unbridled, untempered truth-telling.
First, kudos to Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney, who slapped down former president Donald Trump’s ridiculous attempt to quash a Georgia state indictment (not yet delivered) and to disqualify District Attorney Fani T. Willis. As to the latter, McBurney said derisively, “The drumbeat from the District Attorney has been neither partisan (in the political sense) nor personal, in marked and refreshing contrast to the stream of personal invective flowing from one of the movants.” McBurney added: “Put differently, the District Attorney’s Office has been doing a fairly routine — and legally unobjectionable — job of public relations in a case that is anything but routine.” One senses that the state courts are fed up with Trump’s antics.
Then, in a civil case, U.S. District Judge Raag Singhal dismissed Trump’s frivolous defamation case against CNN. Trump took umbrage at the term “big lie” to describe, er, his big lie that the 2020 election was stolen. Singhal, a Trump appointee, recalls that the term was once used by Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels. Singhal declared, “CNN’s use of the phrase ‘the Big Lie’ in connection with Trump’s election challenges does not give rise to a plausible inference that Trump advocates the persecution and genocide of Jews or any other group of people.” CNN might want to consider asking the court for sanctions against Trump for bringing such a ludicrous claim.
If judges up and down the system, in civil and criminal matters, are losing patience with Trump’s antics and his lies — big and small — we might yet see justice done. It’s about time.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 6, 2023 0:49:13 GMT
DeSantis may not be THE problem but he sure is standing up front waving a confederate flag with a nazi flag for the world to see. I think he's a visible sign, but the racism goes a lot deeper. DeSantis is just willing to say out loud what a lot of the Republicans want to do by whitewashing history. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 6, 2023 0:55:08 GMT
Unfortunately so many of TFG followers possess and carry high power guns with the will (and stupidity) to protect their great leader. The threats are driving them to action. There is no doubt proven by Jan 6.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 6, 2023 1:04:44 GMT
I can't believe anyone who cares about him is letting him have a phone or internet access. What do you think his lawyers are thinking? I think anyone who agrees to be his lawyer knows that 1. They will not be able to control him. Trump will just do whatever he wants 2. Trump will trash them, discard them and leave them to take the fall when they are no longer useful to him But hey now that his campaign is paying his legal bills, at least they'll get paid. I was wondering about them getting paid. Are the donations going to them or Trump? I just can't fathom a lawyer taking him as a client. |
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 6, 2023 1:05:47 GMT
Unfortunately so many of TFG followers possess and carry high power guns with the will (and stupidity) to protect their great leader. The threats are driving them to action. There is no doubt proven by Jan 6. I really do worry that another insurrection will happen and will likely be worse. |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 6, 2023 1:09:31 GMT
Unfortunately so many of TFG followers possess and carry high power guns with the will (and stupidity) to protect their great leader. The threats are driving them to action. There is no doubt proven by Jan 6. I really do worry that another insurrection will happen and will likely be worse. That’s my fear as well. I also would be worried if I was a witness because you know information is going to get out and there will be calls for revenge. |
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Post by samantha25 on Aug 6, 2023 1:10:45 GMT
Unfortunately so many of TFG followers possess and carry high power guns with the will (and stupidity) to protect their great leader. The threats are driving them to action. There is no doubt proven by Jan 6. I really do worry that another insurrection will happen and will likely be worse. All the stupids that participated in the insurrection are in jail or going to jail. Not sure how many stupids are left to participate in another. |
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 6, 2023 1:15:22 GMT
This guy may have a point. IMO this country seems to have this weird fascination with reality TV and the people on the shows. On a couple of occasions I was half way joking when I said people voted for trump because he was on tv yelling “you’re fired”. But this guy in the Washington Post article may be on to something. Its a gift article… link |
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 6, 2023 1:20:37 GMT
I love Moss’s comment.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 6, 2023 1:21:36 GMT
I really do worry that another insurrection will happen and will likely be worse. All the stupids that participated in the insurrection are in jail or going to jail. Not sure how many stupids are left to participate in another. I hope you are right but I think there are still plenty that would be willing to take up arms for TFG. Especially since he has said he will pardon them all. That and a random nut here and there that are heavily armed and wanting to make a name for himself. I hope and pray we don’t have another 1/6 or other event any where close to it. This country has seen enough violence. I was hoping to see things calm down and maybe get a bit of healing but it sure doesn’t seem like that has happened, people seem even more outspoken around here and have dug in their heals and less tolerant than before. It’s really sad. It’s not just Biden and the Dems now but LGBTQ+ and anything even close to woke. It seems to be worse than ever. |
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 6, 2023 1:23:03 GMT
He’s said this more than once and I’m still trying to figure out in what universe would this country want or need 28,000 soldiers from Mexico?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 6, 2023 1:24:01 GMT
I really do worry that another insurrection will happen and will likely be wo I'mrse. All the stupids that participated in the insurrection are in jail or going to jail. Not sure how many stupids are left to participate in another. It might not be an insurrection. I was thinking more like picking off individuals and/or families and friends. Many have said they would be willing to die for TFG.. |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 6, 2023 1:30:46 GMT
This guy may have a point. IMO this country seems to have this weird fascination with reality TV and the people on the shows. On a couple of occasions I was half way joking when I said people voted for trump because he was on tv yelling “you’re fired”. But this guy in the Washington Post article may be on to something. Its a gift article… linkYep it only takes one on the jury to hang the jury and he walks. Wasn’t it Florida that was trying to change that so 51 or 60% was all it took. It would be ironic if that ended up hurting him. I just don’t have much faith at this point. I think the majority of people are good but I just takes a few bad apples to make life miserable for the rest of us. |
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 6, 2023 1:48:51 GMT
I’m not surprised…
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 6, 2023 2:02:49 GMT
I can't believe anyone who cares about him is letting him have a phone or internet access. What do you think his lawyers are thinking? I think anyone who agrees to be his lawyer knows that 1. They will not be able to control him. Trump will just do whatever he wants 2. Trump will trash them, discard them and leave them to take the fall when they are no longer useful to him But hey now that his campaign is paying his legal bills, at least they'll get paid. We’ll see for how long because reports say the PAC has less than $4M at present. That’s not nearly enough (not even close) because not only does he have several cases ongoing at the same time, the fund is also paying for the Mar-a-Lago co-defendants’ lawyers. You likely know this already, but anyway, he not only has the Alvin Bragg case and the two Jack Smith cases. He’s got the E Jean Carroll case #1 (#2 was the one already resolved), the Fani Willis case will be coming shortly, and the Letitia James case is ready for trial. And as far as I know, Alvin Bragg’s office is still investigating financial crimes by Trump (the one began by Mark Pomerantz under Cy Vance Jr), so if that pans out, that’ll be another indictment. That's a hell of a lot of lawyers. Also, depending on the case, a defendant will have appellate lawyers in addition to defense lawyers at trial so they can suss out anything that can be used for appeal. Do you recall Chris Kise (the lawyer Trump got for the documents case)? He was paid a $3M retainer. That’s just one lawyer. He’ll have to grift his supporters more aggressively. Anyhoo, I'm outta here. Y'all have a nice evening! |
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 6, 2023 2:12:40 GMT
All the stupids that participated in the insurrection are in jail or going to jail. Not sure how many stupids are left to participate in another. I hope you are right but I think there are still plenty that would be willing to take up arms for TFG. Especially since he has said he will pardon them all. That and a random nut here and there that are heavily armed and wanting to make a name for himself. I hope and pray we don’t have another 1/6 or other event any where close to it. This country has seen enough violence. I was hoping to see things calm down and maybe get a bit of healing but it sure doesn’t seem like that has happened, people seem even more outspoken around here and have dug in their heals and less tolerant than before. It’s really sad. It’s not just Biden and the Dems now but LGBTQ+ and anything even close to woke. It seems to be worse than ever. I agree. There are plenty more stupids willing to “defend” Trump. If anything I think they are worse now then they were on January 6th. I live in a very liberal area and I am shocked by the Trump flags I have been seeing around lately. |
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