PaperAngel
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Post by PaperAngel on Oct 26, 2023 19:43:32 GMT
Thanks for your responses. Like grammadee, I believe the industry's target audience & the "average scrapper" are somewhat different. Since the industry became theme-based ~15 years ago, IMHO its perpetual target audience appears to specifically be the 25-35 year old white, married, middle class, Morman mom who documents family vacations, holidays, weddings, & her children's baby, toddler, & elementary school years. These themes have been offered on a loop for over a decade with the same/similar color palettes, icons, & sentiments & few to no updates for aging of the target/her family, newer entrants/diversity, the decline of scrapbooking &/or societal changes due to technology/economy/pandemic/etc., &/or other factors. Big box stores & MLM companies sell these standard themes in their own brands to capture the "average scrapper" who, like caspad & Linda described, has historically scrapped socially at in-person crops & documents events with matching themed collections/supplies purchased at big box stores or via a MLM salesperson. Sadly, most of the non-big box/MLM companies have not attempted to discover the actual demographics or wants/needs of non-average scrappers (who have remained loyal through recession, pandemic, life stages, etc.).
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 26, 2023 20:59:36 GMT
I am fortunate that I have an amazing store about 30 minutes from my house. She carries so many different items/brands in there. Not too many techniques you couldn't learn from her store stash.
I feel like I am not the average scrapper in some cases, but in others I fit it well. I do like multiple photos and themed paper, for sure.
Perhaps it is like asking someone if they are rich or smart or good looking. You can always find someone better off and worse off than you.
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Post by joblackford on Oct 27, 2023 1:32:10 GMT
The manufacturers see their aging clientele and are trying to not only meet our needs/wants, but to develop new devotees to paper crafts. They don't want to drop their "tried and true" products for fear of losing Jane. (although they seem to forget that Jane wants to scrap herself as she IS, not as her own grandmother used to be). And although developing new and different lines and tools and techniques is risky, they want to grab up any youngsters out there. Sometimes a new line that looks like a repeat of an older one is just an attempt to entice both those groups. Quite the tightrope they're walking on, when you put it that way! How to both grow and capture new buyers while also not alienating your loyal long time customers (who probably already have all the things but are still shopping)? I always try to remember that the manufacturers are selling to store buyers as much as they're selling to customers, which adds another layer of assumptions and perceptions of who will buy what and how much. And as Shimelle often mentions, sometimes we shoppers don't buy the things we told the manufacturers we really wanted. Which beings us back to the question of which "we" is asking and which "we" is buying.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 2:05:49 GMT
Is it possible that instead of creating for the “average” scrapbooker, that the thought process on creating a collection is on numbers? If you have to choose between releasing a Christmas collection or a pickleball collection, how many people would scrapbook Christmas versus how many would scrapbook pickleball. The manufacturer would want to make as much $$ as possible, so would go with the theme that has the biggest potential market.
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Post by breetheflea on Oct 27, 2023 14:04:21 GMT
Is it possible that instead of creating for the “average” scrapbooker, that the thought process on creating a collection is on numbers? If you have to choose between releasing a Christmas collection or a pickleball collection, how many people would scrapbook Christmas versus how many would scrapbook pickleball. The manufacturer would want to make as much $$ as possible, so would go with the theme that has the biggest potential market. That must be why some companies put out 3-5 Christmas collections... but me (the not-average scrapper) is only going to buy a few sheets of Christmas paper, but I would buy the heck out of the Pickleball collection (if I played Pickleball) even if I don't like the colors and it will clash with all my photos because I don't have anything in that theme. You'd think it would even out... Sometimes I wonder if "making it work" and buying paper for the b-side, makes manufacturers think the actual theme is more popular than it actually is... Not-average-scrapper: I don't have any use for a baby collection, why are boys blue and girls are pink? I hate the phrase 'boys will be boys' but the b-sides are usuable, I'll buy 5 sheets of it. Manufacturer: Wow, we really made $$$$ off that baby collection, let's make another one exactly like it! Repeat, repeat repeat. Not-average-scrapper: Why doesn't [scrapbook company] make anything different?
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Post by papersilly on Oct 27, 2023 21:34:55 GMT
Is it possible that instead of creating for the “average” scrapbooker, that the thought process on creating a collection is on numbers? If you have to choose between releasing a Christmas collection or a pickleball collection, how many people would scrapbook Christmas versus how many would scrapbook pickleball. The manufacturer would want to make as much $$ as possible, so would go with the theme that has the biggest potential market. I think the themes with the biggest market $$$ potential are usual the generic themes that don't always appeal to beyond average scappers. Baby, birthday, holidays, wedding, etc. Those are the money makers. Those are probably the majority buyers who are the casual scrappers. Niche themes like pickleball, lacrosse, crocheting, square dancing, koala bears might be very desired to some but not by enough buyers to make it worth the design time and manufacture run expense. The LSS were great about carrying the more niche designs. Now that most of the brick and mortar LSS have closed, most shop at box stores who mostly carry the generic stiff.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 27, 2023 22:17:38 GMT
Is it possible that instead of creating for the “average” scrapbooker, that the thought process on creating a collection is on numbers? If you have to choose between releasing a Christmas collection or a pickleball collection, how many people would scrapbook Christmas versus how many would scrapbook pickleball. The manufacturer would want to make as much $$ as possible, so would go with the theme that has the biggest potential market. I totally agree and we discuss this quite a bit here. As a business, you gotta go for what will keep you in business (I'm looking at you too much pink and floral). I am glad that some companies move away from what is considered the same ol'. Without that we wouldn't have had so many great releases from 49 and Market. I also love the releases from P13 and Mintay and am glad companies overseas can offer something different so that our US companies see different designers and realize as scrappers who have been in it for more than 20 years do look forward to something different. Good things do take time. And so we wait.
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Post by PaperAngel on Oct 28, 2023 3:15:52 GMT
Is it possible that instead of creating for the “average” scrapbooker, that the thought process on creating a collection is on numbers? If you have to choose between releasing a Christmas collection or a pickleball collection, how many people would scrapbook Christmas versus how many would scrapbook pickleball. The manufacturer would want to make as much $$ as possible, so would go with the theme that has the biggest potential market. "Numbers" is the bottom line for every company/industry, including non-profit. The goal of for-profit companies/industries, such as papercrafting, is to maximize their "numbers" & defining + listening to their audience/end user should be the first step. Given new collections are released monthly in the papercrafting industry, established companies never have to choose between a Christmas or pickleball collection. For example, Photoplay released three collections - Pickleball (mini), Santa, Please Stop Here (holiday), & Travelogue (travel) - in June (see this thread). Since Photoplay routinely offers standard industry themes (e.g. seasons, holidays, baby, birthday) as well as mini-themes, such as non-mainstream sports (e.g. pickleball, rugby), current events (e.g. Barbie movie-inspired, inflation, pandemic), etc. to meet its customers needs, it seems the "numbers" for Pickleball & other non-standard industry themes must prove either profitable (since it's the only or one of a few manufacturers offering the theme) or a loss leader (i.e. product sold at a loss for the purpose of attracting customers) for the company.
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Post by PaperAngel on Oct 29, 2023 4:05:13 GMT
... I would buy the heck out of the Pickleball collection (if I played Pickleball) even if I don't like the colors and it will clash with all my photos because I don't have anything in that theme. ... Photoplay - Pickleball was released this summer (see this thread) & is still available at ACOT, SB.com, & probably other retailers. ...Sometimes I wonder if "making it work" and buying paper for the b-side, makes manufacturers think the actual theme is more popular than it actually is... Agreed. From manufacturers' perspective: If it isn't broke, don't fix it! Most manufacturers don't stray from the standard industry themes because they are proven sellers, since they’re often the only product available for customers to purchase. It's a vicious cycle...
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Post by littlemummy on Oct 29, 2023 11:02:26 GMT
I can see 2 average groups where I live.
Group one - older, middle class women with the money for imported American goodies and shelf space for traditional albums. Often scrap in 12 x 12, deeply into the hobby and aware of the trends. We're not large enough numbers-wise to interest US manufacturers or for much of a local industry. Cardmaking is a much bigger hobby here and normally if we can get themed supplies for locally popular sports or Christmas traditions they were designed for cardmakers.
Group 2 - young women in their late teens and 20s scrapping in notebooks, bujos and spiral bound paper albums. Buy their supplies from cheap craft shops such as the Works and The Range, or Chinese sites. Not much interested in acid free and are very much about scrapping the memories. Don't come to crops because weekends are for clubbing until 2am, and share ideas on instagram and tiktok.
I am so happy that group 2 will have scrapbooks from their teens and twenties to look back on when they're my age. Suspect that they outnumber us oldtimers and would love to see affordable products being created for them (drinking, clubbing, concerts, young romance).
I'm also seeing Indian (Desi) scrapbookers on instagram and given the population size there's got to be huge potential there. Maybe in 10 years time the average scrapper will be Indian... time for more cricket themed supplies? :-)
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Post by breetheflea on Oct 29, 2023 14:29:28 GMT
I don't play Pickleball, I was using the example of the person above me. I actually thought about getting the Pickleball collection and using it for tennis (which I could use) but it was so very Pickleball specific it wouldn't work...
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