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Post by Merge on Feb 25, 2024 4:33:43 GMT
Yes, they are. You are upset that teachers and schools are getting called "groomers" and I gave you just SOME examples why. Out of 9 examples, you objected to 3 sources. Bullshit objection. You can object to it all you want because I didn't back it up, but you have no issue when people on your side don't back up their claims and outright lies. So that's a bullshit objection Then when I do back it up you complain about sources. Another bullshit objection. Then I give you mainstream media sources and that's still not good enough. Obviously another bullshit objection. Only your narrative would be acceptable to you. Unfortunately that's not how it works. I wouldn’t expect you to recognize the truth if it slapped you in the face, Gia. Pointing out the illegitimacy of propaganda isn’t bullshit. It’s what sane people do. My young adult daughters and I will just be here in Texas suffering the loss of bodily autonomy that YOU helped bring about. My students in Title 1 schools will suffer from the destruction of their public schools that YOU helped bring about. My gay friends will worry that their legal marriages will soon be invalidated, and YOU will have helped that happen. My Hispanic friends will worry that they will be rounded up and detained/deported if they don’t have proof of citizenship on them at all times, and YOU will have helped that come to be. And you will justify yourself by pointing to all the propaganda the far right puts out to support your views. But by all means, keep carrying on about how abused you are and posting propaganda sites to “back up” your claims. That dystopian future is going to be great!
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Post by compeateropeator on Feb 25, 2024 4:42:32 GMT
On Thursday he called Biden’s actions “evil and a threat to democracy” and vowed to “reclaim our government from these tyrants.” You do know Biden has done the exact same thing in the other direction , don't you? I will not dispute that I am sure similar type expressions have been used by both parties towards each other. I will say, though, I watched the entire hour+ speech that Trump made at the National Christian Broadcaster’s conference and wow. While you talk about people often quoting Trump out of context, the problem is there often is not any other context to add. His speech, at least this one, was nothing other than rambling on from one comment/buzz word phrase to the next. There was nothing to quote that could be taken out of context because that is all there was. He also did have gaffes, a lot of half truths and some down right lies in that speech. Anyone who advocates so strongly to be truthful about what was said, and who watched the entire speech, can not easily disagree with that. I also nowhere say or mean 100%, every time, etc. There are always exceptions. Just as I will usually never say never, as things can change.
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Post by samantha25 on Feb 25, 2024 4:53:44 GMT
Why is there only one person, Gia, that there's a "discussion" with? Any others? It's getting ridiculous and not sure why you all engage? Why?
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 4:54:25 GMT
Trump might be having trouble finding a bonding company www.nytimes.com/2024/02/24/nyregion/trump-fraud-trial-penalty.htmlDonald J. Trump Is Racing Against Time to Find a Half-Billion Dollar Bond After losing two civil trials, the former president must find a bonding company that will vouch for him — or his real estate empire is threatened. Donald J. Trump is on the clock.
The $454 million judgment that a New York judge imposed on Mr. Trump in his civil fraud case took effect on Friday, placing the former president in a precarious position.
Now, he must either come up with the money quickly or persuade a company to post a bond on his behalf, essentially vouching for him to the court with an I.O.U.
The bond is likely to be his best bet: Mr. Trump, who also faces an $83.3 million judgment in an unrelated defamation case, does not have enough cash on hand to do it all himself, according to a recent New York Times analysis of his finances. If Mr. Trump can find a bond company willing to do a deal this big, it will require him to pay the firm a fee as high as 3 percent of the judgment and to pledge collateral.
The bond would prevent the New York attorney general’s office, which brought the civil fraud case against Mr. Trump, from collecting the $454 million while Mr. Trump’s appeal is heard. Without it, the attorney general, Letitia James, is entitled to collect at any moment.
Ms. James is expected to allow Mr. Trump up to 30 days, but if he fails to secure a bond by March 25, and an appeals court denies him extra time, he has a lot to lose. The attorney general’s office could seek to seize some of Mr. Trump’s properties in New York, perhaps even a crown jewel like Trump Tower or 40 Wall Street.
“The attorney general is in the catbird seat and can make this a very unpleasant experience for Trump,” said Mark Zauderer, a partner at the law firm Dorf Nelson & Zauderer who is a veteran New York business litigator and has secured many appeal bonds.
As Mr. Trump races to secure a bond, here is what we know about this perilous new phase.
Why does Trump owe $454 Million?
Ms. James took Mr. Trump to trial last year, accusing him of orchestrating a conspiracy to inflate his net worth to receive favorable loans. This month, the judge Arthur F. Engoron ruled that Mr. Trump had done so and meted out several punishments.
The most severe was a $355 million penalty — $454,156,783.05 as of Friday afternoon, thanks to interest that continues to accrue. The judge said the sum accounted for Mr. Trump’s ill-gotten gains from the scheme.
Nearly half of the base penalty, $168 million, reflected the interest that Mr. Trump had saved by misleading lenders, while the remaining amount represented his purported profit on the recent sale of two properties. The judge’s penalty essentially clawed back that money, and it will go into New York State’s coffers if the ruling is upheld on appeal.
In theory, Mr. Trump has two options to prevent Ms. James from collecting while he appeals. He can either write a check for more than $450 million to New York State, which will then hold the money in escrow, or he can secure an appeal bond from a specialized company licensed to provide them.
In reality, unless Mr. Trump reaps a sudden and unexpected windfall, a bond is the only way to go.
Mr. Trump’s net worth, which he estimates to be in the billions, is largely derived from the value of his real estate, not cash. As of last year, he was sitting on more than $350 million in cash — as well as stocks and bonds he can sell in a hurry — but that stockpile is well short of what he needs, according to The Times’s review of his financial records. Justice Engoron’s $454 million judgment and the $83.3 million judgment Mr. Trump is facing from the defamation trial involving the writer E. Jean Carroll will collectively eclipse the former president’s cash reserves, forcing him to seek out a bond in both cases.
For now, he has not secured appeal bonds in either case. On Friday, Mr. Trump’s lawyers in the defamation case asked a judge to either grant him more time or reduce the size of the bond.
At its most basic, an appeal bond is a document filed with a court by a bonding company, a financial institution that promises a judgment will be paid. Under New York law, a defendant also owes 9 percent interest to the plaintiff until the judgment is paid or the appeal is resolved, an amount that is reflected in the size of the bond.
As such, Mr. Trump’s bond might creep up to nearly $500 million.
But the company providing the bond will be on the hook if Mr. Trump loses his appeal and fails to pay — and so it will want the former president to have skin in the game.
To secure the bond, Mr. Trump will have to pledge collateral to the company, including cash, stocks and bonds. Although each deal is different, companies offering appeal bonds generally shy from taking property as collateral, especially if a building already has a mortgage, experts said.
It won’t be cheap. Mr. Trump will have to pay the company a premium fee, typically anywhere from 1 to 3 percent of the bond.
What happens if he doesn’t secure a bond?
While there is no indication that Mr. Trump will fail to line up a bond, it is easier said than done.
Only about a dozen bonding companies licensed in New York have the ability to handle a judgment of this size, experts said. And while some might salivate at the possibility of collecting a huge premium, others might be spooked by the sheer size of Justice Engoron’s penalty, or by being associated with Mr. Trump’s polarizing politics and his litigious nature.
Bonds this large are typically found in cases against big companies, not individual businessmen, even wealthy ones like Mr. Trump.
“For an individual, this amount is unprecedented,” said Neil Pedersen, the owner of Pedersen & Sons, a surety bond agency in New York that is not involved in the Trump case.
Mr. Trump is also a unique defendant: He is the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination, and if he reclaims the White House, it could be difficult for the bonding company to collect from a sitting president, particularly one who has stiffed lenders and lawyers in the past.
“I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets it, or if he doesn’t,” Mr. Pedersen added.
If he doesn’t, that is where things could get ugly for the former president. Ms. James has a number of tools to freeze his assets and ultimately recover the money.
With help from a sheriff, she can collect from any entity holding Mr. Trump’s assets, like a bank, as well as from anyone who owes Mr. Trump money, like a tenant in one of his buildings. Perhaps most important, she can file liens on his marquee New York properties, potentially setting in motion a seizure of the buildings.
In a recent interview with ABC News, Ms. James said as much, hinting that she had her eye on one of Mr. Trump’s buildings in Lower Manhattan, a five-minute walk from her office.
“We will ask the judge to seize his assets,” Ms. James said in the interview, adding, “I look at 40 Wall Street each and every day.”
Can he delay the bond?
He can try, but the decision is not in his hands.
In federal court, Mr. Trump would have 30 days to secure the bond, but this case is in New York State Court, where no grace period exists. Ms. James, though, is expected to allow him that time to line up a bond, a window that closes on March 25 — which happens to be the first day of his first criminal trial, to be held in Manhattan.
Mr. Trump can also ask an appeals court to pause the requirement that he post a bond — and to reduce the size of the bond to something more manageable.
Can Trump supporters bail him out?
It’s complicated.
The New York court system relies on trusted companies, regulated by the state, that have a lengthy track record of posting
In contrast, an I.O.U. from a wealthy Trump supporter is unlikely to pass muster with the attorney general, Mr. Zauderer said, and the appeals court could refuse to accept it.
While there is nothing to stop one or several of Mr. Trump’s billionaire benefactors from paying off his entire $450 million debt, that seems somewhat far-fetched. Not only would it require laying out a huge sum, but it would also lead to a significant tax bill for the donor or donors.
Grassroots efforts are unlikely to make a significant dent in Mr. Trump’s debt. In the last eight days, a GoFundMe campaign has raised more than $1 million from over 20,000 supporters.
Unless a more substantial bailout emerges, Mr. Trump will have to pay most of the penalty out of his own pocket, assuming Justice Engoron’s decision is upheld. To do that, Mr. Trump might have to sell or mortgage one of his properties.
And then there’s his run for the White House, which could constrain him further.
The former president has used a political action committee in his control to pay for lawyers and witnesses in his legal cases. But that committee does not have enough money to address the penalties he is facing. A super PAC coordinating with his candidacy is legally banned from coordinating with him and cannot pay the judgments.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 13:16:38 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 14:47:36 GMT
Great perspective on Trump’s contempt for the law and accountability. joycevance.substack.com/p/contempt-and-accountabilityTrump has such contempt for the rule of law. It oozes out of his mouth when he speaks and leaps off the page when his attorneys file arguments on his behalf in court.
We have come to accept this as commonplace, which is why I think it is important to stop periodically to contemplate how upside down we are. No one seems to act with outrage and revulsion anymore when an American president—a former one who wants to hold office again—acts with flagrant and utter disregard for the constitutional principles and laws that make this country what it is. The rule of law isn’t just empty words. It is a series of ideas that permitted us to become a democracy, not a monarchy, based on the notion of equal treatment for all before the law.
If you don’t have respect for the fundamentals, you don’t have respect for the institutions or the integrity of the nation as a whole. That’s the essence of who Trump is. Self-serving. Someone who wants the power and protections that come with being a dictator, a special status that is not available to anyone in a democracy. It’s bewildering to those of us who see Trump as an emperor with no clothes that others believe he’s fully dressed and wearing their colors. What they fail to see is the inevitable final act to following their leader, that Trump always turns on those who support him when their interests diverge, whether it’s Michael Cohen, his long-time attorney, Jeff Sessions, his first supporter in the Senate and Attorney General, or Mike Pence, his adoringly loyal vice president. We need to remember our outrage when it’s so exhausting and easier to become numb to Trump.
There was some good news today. The Supreme Court declined to take on an appeal by Trump attorneys including Sidney Powell of “release the Kraken” fame and retired Georgia lawyer Lin Wood. In 2021, a federal judge in Michigan sanctioned them for bringing a lawsuit claiming election fraud cost Trump the election in that state. The case was promptly dismissed for a lack of evidence and the Judge permitted the city of Detroit and other state defendants to recover over $150,000 in damages from the Trump lawyers.
Accountability! In her opinion, District Judge Linda Parker called Powell and Wood’s lawsuit a “historic and profound abuse” of the courts. She said the lawsuit was “frivolous.” The Supreme Court did not disagree.
Cases like this are the counterbalance to Trump’s authoritarian rhetoric. They are a slow but steady restoration of the rule of law. Sidney Powell now stands convicted of 6 misdemeanor charges related to election interference in Georgia. Lin Wood stepped down from practicing law. They will have to compensate Michigan for their frivolous litigation. It is not everything that we need, but it is a start. Rudy Giuliani has been held civilly liable for his attacks on poll workers and can no longer practice law. Trump lawyer John Eastman faces bar disciplinary action. In an era where a former president acts like he’s above the law, it’s an important start. And only a start, because there is more coming.
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Post by jayfab on Feb 25, 2024 16:45:20 GMT
Almost none of these are legitimate news sites. The Miami Herald link is behind a paywall. And none of them include evidence of anyone "silencing objection." None of them include anything about teachers saying inappropriate behavior towards students is OK. That's dishonest and you know it. In most places where "Don't Say Gay" laws have been passed, the goal is to remove any mention of gay/trans people and families at school, even though heterosexual teachers and families are not barred from sharing info about their families in school. Teachers' groups routinely object to these laws because we care about ALL our students, not just the ones from straight, white, Christian families. This is the kind of stupidity we're speaking out against. www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2023/06/21/florida-schools-pulling-and-tango-makes-three-leads-to-lawsuit/70344279007/To suggest than any teachers' group has defended sexual abuse or covering up a sex crime is dishonest. It hasn't happened. It's a lie, which makes you a liar. Unlike church leaders, teachers are the first to say that someone mistreating kids should be removed. And yes, you are baselessly maligning many thousands of people whose only crime is wanting every child to feel welcome and included at school. And so are the people you vote for. You've been deluded, again, by liars who simply want to return to a world where only straight, white, Christian people are included in mainstream discourse, and where every child reaches adulthood completely ignorant about how their own reproductive system works. You're a willing dupe for those people. Do better. ETA: This is the sort of people who attend the school where the 18 year old with male genitalia supposedly showered with 14 year old girls - something no teacher I know would support. The usual course of action would have been to allow the 18 year old to use the shower in the nurse's office. madison365.com/its-getting-worse-in-wake-of-athletic-directors-departure-sun-praire-school-staff-students-families-describe-unwelcoming-racist-environment/. The DOE is investigating, but wouldn't be at all surprised to find out the story was made up by a family with a political agenda. And WILL is a conservative law firm dedicated to political stunts like this. You really need to vet your sources better. And BTW, calling a kid what they ask to be called is not "helping them to transition." You JUST attempted to silence what is happening. And you attempted with such weak bullshit. Whenever I correct misinformation or flat out lies, I'm accused of supporting whatever you're railing on about. Whenever I add facts or opinions that complete the context, being left out, I'm accused of supporting whatever you're railing on about. SO BY YOUR OWN STANDARDS, you dismissing the back up that YOU asked for is supporting this shit going on that is getting teachers called "groomers". By your own damn standards. AND there's nothing wrong with any of the sources. Calling out propaganda is not silencing the truth/facts. Promoting propaganda as truth/fact is proof of being in a cult.
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Post by Merge on Feb 25, 2024 17:51:01 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 17:54:38 GMT
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 25, 2024 17:54:48 GMT
Fani's friend AND the phone data shows she is lying.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 17:59:31 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 25, 2024 18:34:39 GMT
aj2hallWe forget MBS/Saudi Arabia had no issues handing Jared $2 billion dollars !!!! What's a few hundred million to him/them??
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 19:45:17 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 19:56:22 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 23:40:25 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 25, 2024 23:45:47 GMT
I cannot understand them.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 26, 2024 0:28:24 GMT
I cannot understand them. It's pretty easy to understand. With a corrupt party that tried to covered up Hunter's troubles in favor of getting biden in the White House, a party that created the Russian collusion hoax and went after it for years, a party that created several hoaxes by twisting what was said into something that was not said, ignoring actual things that were said to pretend he meant something else entirely, a party that censored what narrative you could see or speak about, a search engined that did the same, a news media that supported all of that for that party... The indictments just look like an extension of all that to the majority of Republicans. They see it all as politically motivated.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 26, 2024 0:44:42 GMT
I cannot understand them. It's pretty easy to understand. With a corrupt party that tried to covered up Hunter's troubles in favor of getting biden in the White House, a party that created the Russian collusion hoax and went after it for years, a party that created several hoaxes by twisting what was said into something that was not said, ignoring actual things that were said to pretend he meant something else entirely, a party that censored what narrative you could see or speak about, a search engined that did the same, a news media that supported all of that for that party... The indictments just look like an extension of all that to the majority of Republicans. They see it all as politically motivated. Wow has MAGA Gal gone off the deep end or what?
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 26, 2024 0:46:28 GMT
I love that his usual delay tactic is working against him in mounting interest. $112,000 per day www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/02/26/trump-money-bonds-engoron-carroll/Clock is ticking for Trump to post bonds worth half a billion dollars Experts say a cash crunch in coming weeks could thrust the former president’s business into greater uncertainty than it has seen in decades
Trump, who built his business and political identities around boasts of financial savvy, now faces an immediate cash crunch of more than a half-billion dollars — the combined cost of two legal battles that will now test the limits of his personal wealth.
According to state Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron’s final judgment, entered Friday, Trump now owes New York at least $454 million — the $355 million penalty plus interest, which is now accruing at a rate of $112,000 per day. Separately, he faces an $83.3 million judgment in a federal defamation case brought by the writer E. Jean Carroll.
Though he has vowed to appeal both cases, he must immediately grapple with the enormous sums that are at stake: To keep both judgments from being enforced while he appeals, he must put up the entire amount in either cash or bonds, according to legal experts. Usually, defendants must put up such bonds within 30 days of a final judgment to keep the plaintiff from collecting, experts said.
Most of Trump’s wealth is tied up in real estate, and it’s not clear whether he has enough cash on hand to cover what he now owes. Trump has not said how he plans to put up the money.
Any route Trump chooses will come with complications. Paying the entire amount in cash could rock the stability of his business. But seeking a bond — in which a third party would guarantee payment if Trump loses his appeal — could be equally costly. Difficult decisions will have to be made quickly, even as Trump’s family company undergoes a court-ordered leadership shake-up that may take some of those decisions out of the hands of Trump and his sons, who have also helped run the company.
The bond in the Carroll case is due in about two weeks, if Trump decides to post one to avoid paying the judgment during his appeal. On Friday, Trump lawyer Alina Habba sought to delay putting up that money, arguing that the penalty was excessive and likely to be reduced. In an order Sunday, the federal judge overseeing that case declined to immediately grant such a delay, saying Carroll’s attorneys should have a chance to weigh in.
Engoron has already rejected a different attempt by Trump’s lawyers to delay posting the larger bond in the New York civil fraud case. It’s currently due March 25, the same day his criminal trial for falsifying business records is scheduled to begin in Manhattan.
New York Law School adjunct professor Steven M. Cohen, who previously held a top position in the New York attorney general’s office, said the law requires Trump to put up the entire amount of the judgment to delay its enforcement while he appeals, either on his own or through a bond put up by a third party on his behalf.
The former president’s attorneys are trying to negotiate a bond deal that would tie up as few of his assets as possible, according to a person with knowledge of the talks who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share private business discussions. The New York state judgment is so large that Trump’s team began exploring whether multiple companies could provide portions of the bond, splitting the risk that any one of them would have to assume, the person said.
A bond is a binding agreement between the bond-issuing company and the court: If the company’s client loses their appeal and then fails to pay the required amount, the bond-issuing company is on the hook for the debt. Then that company turns to its client to recoup the loss.
Companies that issue bonds generally require their clients to put up collateral in cash or other assets.
Neil Pedersen, who runs a New York bond-issuing (or “surety”) agency, said beyond the extraordinary size of the bond Trump needs, the risk of having to collect from a former and possibly future president would probably weigh heavily on bond issuers’ decision on whether to accommodate him.
As a result, bond issuers might require Trump to put up the full amount, or nearly that, in cash, to avoid having to potentially press the occupant of the White House for assets. He would also have to pay a fee to the bond issuer, beyond the judgment penalty and interest, according to Pedersen.
“In my opinion, what this is going to come down to is whether or not he can put up cash,” Pedersen said.
Precisely how much cash Trump has is not known. He claimed to have “400-plus” million dollars during an April deposition in the fraud case. In an August financial disclosure filed with the Office of Government Ethics, he listed hundreds of bank and investment accounts with a total value of between $252 million and $924 million, according to a Washington Post analysis of the form.
Trump has to keep some cash on hand to operate his properties, such as his golf courses and hotels, as maintenance or investment needs require, according to banking experts. Freeing up hundreds of millions of dollars more would almost certainly require Trump to borrow against or sell some of his real estate, experts said.
A surety company might accept Trump’s properties as collateral, but that carries its own risks. Experts in issuing bonds may not be equipped to do their own investigations into Trump’s property values, and they may not know what his assets are really worth, according to New York trial and appellate attorney Mark C. Zauderer.
If Trump loses his appeal and doesn’t pay, the company would then have to try to get him to hand over the golf course, hotel or other property he had provided as collateral.
Trump’s history of misrepresenting the value of his assets was at the heart of the trial that resulted in the penalty he now faces.
“If the guy can give phony financial statements, he can give phony information to the bonding company,” Zauderer said, referring to Engoron’s finding in the case that the Trump Organization submitted false information to banks to obtain loans. “A bonding company who is going to put up several hundred million dollars here is not, in my opinion, going to do it easily.”
Trump also may need to maintain a certain amount of cash and a certain net worth to remain in compliance with his existing bank loans, which totaled at least $400 million in August, according to The Post’s analysis of the financial disclosure he filed that month.
“I think the real problem is what the interlocking sets of obligations are on these assets,” said Cohen, the former official in the New York attorney general’s office.
Some key details of Trump’s current loans are not public. But the terms of several previous loans with Deutsche Bank said he would default if he failed to “maintain $50 million in unencumbered liquidity and a minimum net worth of $2.5 billion,” according to testimony in the fraud case.
In 2016, he agreed to make a $25 million payment to settle lawsuits accusing Trump University — his series of workshops on how to profit from real estate — of fraud. Rather than dipping into his cash reserves, which might have violated his bank covenants, Trump asked another lender for a new loan using his property on Central Park South as collateral, according to sworn testimony in the fraud case.
According to The Post’s analysis of his August financial disclosure, Trump’s largest lender is now Axos Bank, which in 2022 lent him $100 million for Trump Tower in Manhattan and $125 million for Trump National Doral, his golf resort in Miami. In response to questions from The Post, Axos said that it does “not expect the New York court cases involving President Trump and his family to jeopardize the continued performance of these loans.” The bank declined to say whether Trump has inquired about taking out additional loans since the judgment.
Trump has sold two properties recently: the government lease on his luxury D.C. hotel and the license to operate the Ferry Point golf course in New York City. Given more time, his company could raise cash by selling other properties or borrowing against them, something he’s tried to do in a pinch previously. Later this year, Trump may also be expecting a financial windfall from his social media company, Truth Social. Digital World Acquisition, a special-purpose acquisition company, recently won a critical approval from the Securities and Exchange Commission to merge with Trump’s media start-up, which could give Trump a stake of publicly tradable shares worth nearly $4 billion, based on recent stock values.
Trump may not be able to sell any shares for six months after the merger. But he could try to borrow against those future shares to raise money more quickly, said New York University law professor Michael Ohlrogge.
“Trump could in theory borrow against those shares,” Ohlrogge said. It’s relatively common for banks to lend money to company founders, he pointed out. But it would be more complicated for Trump, he said, because a sell-off by Trump “could quite easily drop the price down a lot, because it would represent a large fraction of the currently available shares.”
All of the avenues to raising cash and satisfying the legal debt are likely to be complicated by an anticipated leadership change at the Trump Organization. Engoron’s ruling not only dealt Trump a massive financial penalty, but it also barred him from operating the company for three years and his adult sons for two.
“Trump Org. is basically a family business,” said one person with knowledge of the Trump Organization’s operations, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the private business. “It’s not like a lot of companies where you have all these executives where someone else can just step in. You had operations people who ran each of the properties, but it was really only a few people at the top.”
Some legal experts have suggested that an appellate judge might consider Engoron’s $355 million penalty overly harsh. Letitia James (D), the New York attorney general who sued Trump, said Tuesday that she is “very confident” that her case will stand up on appeal. “We are prepared to make sure that the judgment is paid to New Yorkers,” she told ABC News.
At a fundraiser in Greenville, S.C., on Tuesday evening, Trump again spent much of his time talking about the New York judgment, according to state Sen. Josh Kimbrell (R), who said he was among many in the audience who were sympathetic to Trump’s argument that the $355 million penalty was unfair.
“I think it is legally dubious, and he made that point pretty convincingly,” Kimbrell said. He said the former president did not address how he would pay the penalty.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 26, 2024 0:55:04 GMT
It's pretty easy to understand. With a corrupt party that tried to covered up Hunter's troubles in favor of getting biden in the White House, a party that created the Russian collusion hoax and went after it for years, a party that created several hoaxes by twisting what was said into something that was not said, ignoring actual things that were said to pretend he meant something else entirely, a party that censored what narrative you could see or speak about, a search engined that did the same, a news media that supported all of that for that party... The indictments just look like an extension of all that to the majority of Republicans. They see it all as politically motivated. Wow has MAGA Gal gone off the deep end or what? You have nothing to offer but personal attacks.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 26, 2024 2:34:16 GMT
It's pretty easy to understand. With a corrupt party that tried to covered up Hunter's troubles in favor of getting biden in the White House, a party that created the Russian collusion hoax and went after it for years, a party that created several hoaxes by twisting what was said into something that was not said, ignoring actual things that were said to pretend he meant something else entirely, a party that censored what narrative you could see or speak about, a search engined that did the same, a news media that supported all of that for that party... The indictments just look like an extension of all that to the majority of Republicans. They see it all as politically motivated. Wow has MAGA Gal gone off the deep end or what? Amazingly that the case against Hunter is falling apart. The Smirnov person is sitting in Jail, totally discredited. But I know you knew that 😊
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 26, 2024 3:02:00 GMT
I cannot understand them. It's pretty easy to understand. With a corrupt party that tried to covered up Hunter's troubles in favor of getting biden in the White House, a party that created the Russian collusion hoax and went after it for years, a party that created several hoaxes by twisting what was said into something that was not said, ignoring actual things that were said to pretend he meant something else entirely, a party that censored what narrative you could see or speak about, a search engined that did the same, a news media that supported all of that for that party... The indictments just look like an extension of all that to the majority of Republicans. They see it all as politically motivated. Obviously, I'm not a Trump supporter and I don't watch, listen to or read conservative media so this might not be accurate. I believe you might see things that way, but I'm not sure a typical Trump supporter sees all of those things. Yes, they probably believe a lot of Trump's lies about election fraud, fake news, 2 tiered justice system, he's a vicim and he's been treated unfairly etc. But, I don't think they spend a lot of time thinking about what mainstream media is reporting because they don't watch it, listen to it or read it. And I don't think they're even aware that mainstream media played a part in changing Trump's words from the suggestion to study the injection of disinfectant to telling people to inject bleach. Maybe they think the Biden administration worked with social media to censor conservatives. But, they're probably more concerned about liberals destroying our country with socialism, fascism, communism etc. I imagine they're concerned about the border, about the economy, inflation and teachers indoctrinating their kids. MAGA supporters' social media probably just reinforces what Trump and Republicans tell them and what conservative media is reporting without challenging them to think critically about politics.
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Post by Merge on Feb 26, 2024 13:09:03 GMT
Is that supposed to be trump? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Looks more like Lindsey Graham with Trump's hair! LOL! They need to get a refund! Gary Peterson is a parody account making fun of the cultists. I suspect this is a made-up photo.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 26, 2024 14:41:02 GMT
oops
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Post by Lurkingpea on Feb 26, 2024 14:46:19 GMT
That is exactly what I said. It is uncanny how much it looks like him. Even if this is a fake tattoo, there are plenty of cultists who have gotten terrible Trump tattoos.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 26, 2024 15:01:34 GMT
There are a lot of more realistic looking Trump tattoos. The supporters who are willing to permanently ink Trump's image on their bodies have clearly bought what Trump is selling hook, line and sinker. If Trump tattoos are not a sign of a cult, I don't know what is. www.gettyimages.com/photos/donald-trump-tattoo
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 26, 2024 15:07:46 GMT
There are lots of more realistic looking Trump tattoos. The supporters who are willing to permanently ink Trump's image on their bodies have clearly bought what Trump is selling hook, line and sinker. If Trump tattoos are not a sign of a cult, I don't know what is. www.gettyimages.com/photos/donald-trump-tattooOMG. Tell me you’re a Trump cult member without telling me you’re a Trump cult member. 🤦🏻♀️ I’m too indecisive to even pick a paint color for my walls. I can’t even fathom how someone could get something as permanent as a tattoo of TFG on their body that will be there until they literally die. Wow. 😳🙄
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 26, 2024 15:58:31 GMT
I cannot understand them. It's pretty easy to understand. With a corrupt party that tried to covered up Hunter's troubles in favor of getting biden in the White House, a party that created the Russian collusion hoax and went after it for years, a party that created several hoaxes by twisting what was said into something that was not said, ignoring actual things that were said to pretend he meant something else entirely, a party that censored what narrative you could see or speak about, a search engined that did the same, a news media that supported all of that for that party... The indictments just look like an extension of all that to the majority of Republicans. They see it all as politically motivated. Or, look at it from another perspective, truth and reality for most of us. Let's start with the Supreme Court. Mitch McConnell withheld a Supreme Court seat from Democrats by refusing to hold a vote on Merrick Garland's nomination and then ramming through ACB 45 days before an election. Thomas and Alito have been bribed and corrupted by gifts from conservative groups. Republicans rushed and refused to thoroughly investigate Bret Kavanaugh for sexual assault. Several of the conservatives justices testified under oath that Roe v Wade was settled precedent. The conservative justices are not liked, respected or trusted by many liberals and independents. With the help of the 3 that Trump appointed, the conservative justices reversed Roe v Wade. With a stroke of a pen, the conservatives erased and took away 50 years of women's rights, access to reproductive health care and bodily autonomy. Republicans have been passing statewide abortion bans as fast as they can. After Kansas, Republicans recognized that it was risky to put a constitutional amendment on the ballot, so they tried to make it harder to pass an amendment in Ohio. After the story of a 10 year old victim of rape who was unable to get an abortion became national news, an Ohio Republican commented that forcing her to give birth was "an opportunity". Other Republicans have made false, asinine comments about how women can't get pregnant from a rape. In the case of a woman whose fetus had a fatal diagnosis, Texas Republicans made it clear that even though the law technically allows for exceptions, for all practical purposes, it is essentially an absolute ban. Republicans made false promises of not criminalizing abortion, but South Carolina and Nevada both have laws that make it a crime. In Ohio, a woman who miscarried was charged with a felony of mishandling a corpse. Other states are passing vague laws and doctors are afraid to provide medical care for women, in some cases endangering womens' lives and risking their ability to have children in the future. States are trying to pass laws making it illegal for women to seek abortions in other states. The Texas attorney general is seeking medical records from another state. (That particular case is about gender affirming care, but he could just as easily try to access medical records of women who have had abortions). I realize that these situations are extreme, but the reality is that an estimated 26,000 women in Texas have been denied abortions. Republicans claimed Roe was about states' rights, but many of them signed or support a nationwide ban. The Alabama Supreme Court in an overtly religious decision, determined that personhood begins at conception. IVF clinics closed and Republicans are scrambling to show they support IVF. They're trying to protect IVF without changing their position that life begins at conception. Birth control is next on the list of targets. Some Republicans are talking about consequential sex, sex only for procreation. Add in a Missouri law that prevents pregnant women from getting a divorce, even in an abusive situation. Then tell me all of this is not about controlling women. For the last 50 years, Republicans have been able to claim they are pro-life without facing any consequences because Roe protected abortions. Republicans, recognizing that their policies are unpopular, have been passing voter suppression laws and heavily gerrymandering districts at the state level in desperate attempts to hold onto power. A Republican candidate openly talked about raising the voting age to 25 and requiring anyone under the age of 25 to take a citizenship test, reminiscent of literacy tests for black voters. That's just the issue of abortion. I could write another book about Republicans blocking common sense gun safety, school shootings and the NRA. Or Republicans restricting the rights of the LGBTQ community, Thomas and Alito's concerns about the decision protecting marriage equality, Republicans endangering the lives of transgender students, Republicans in Tennessee prioritizing religious beliefs over civil rights. Or the movement to impose theocracy on our schools and our country.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 26, 2024 17:04:09 GMT
Let's hope for another positive week in courts threadreaderapp.com/thread/1761948439427039596.htmlTHREAD: This was an incredible week for justice. Just a few things that happened:
1. Judge Kaplan refused let trump stay his $83.3M judgment in the E Jean Carroll case
2. Judge Engoron refused to let trump stay his $354M disgorgement in the NYAG Civil Fraud trial
3.. Wayne LaPierre of the NRA found liable for $5M
4. SCOTUS allows sanctions against the "Elite Kraken Strikeforce" to stand for the election fraud lies
5. GOP's star Biden impeachment witness was indicted for fabricating the GOP's "smoking gun" document
6. The Sandy Hook families voted to liquidate Alex Jones' assets
7. Jim Biden's testimony further undercuts GOP sham impeachment
8. The Wisconsin Ethics Commission referred the trump campaign committee for criminal investigation
9. Steve Bannon's criminal trial for the We Build the Wall scheme is still set for May
10. Trump's criminal trial for election interference through hush money payments set to begin March 25th with motions to dismiss denied
There's a lot to be positive about. I'm looking forward to SCOTUS possibly denying the trump immunity bid this week and having the DC trial get back underway. I know justice takes a long time, but we're in the middle of the find out phase now.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 26, 2024 20:31:06 GMT
None of this is normal. In addition to the gag order request from the DA, Trump's team asked the judge to stop Cohen from testifying, claiming that he's a liar, despite the fact that the judge in the civil fraud case found him credible. Trump's team probably doesn't expect their request to go anywhere, they're just reinforcing Trump's narrative that Cohen is a liar. www.nytimes.com/2024/02/26/nyregion/trump-gag-order-hush-money-trial.htmlIn Trump Criminal Case, Manhattan D.A. Asks for Gag Order Before Trial Lawyers for Alvin L. Bragg, the district attorney, are seeking to protect jurors and witnesses in the first criminal prosecution of a former president.
Manhattan prosecutors on Monday asked the judge overseeing the criminal case against Donald J. Trump to prohibit the former president from attacking witnesses or exposing jurors’ identities.
The requests, made in filings by the Manhattan district attorney’s office, noted Mr. Trump’s “longstanding history of attacking witnesses, investigators, prosecutors, judges, and others involved in legal proceedings against him.”
In outlining a narrowly crafted gag order, the office hewed closely to the terms of a similar order upheld by a federal appeals court in Washington in another of Mr. Trump’s criminal cases.
The gag order in the Manhattan case, if the judge approves it, would bar Mr. Trump from “making or directing others to make” statements about witnesses concerning their role in the case. The district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, also asked that Mr. Trump be barred from commenting on prosecutors on the case — other than Mr. Bragg himself — as well as court staff members.
Mr. Bragg wants the judge, Juan M. Merchan, to protect jurors as well. His prosecutors asked that Mr. Trump be barred from publicly revealing their identities. And although Mr. Trump and his legal team are allowed to know the jurors’ names, Mr. Bragg asked that their addresses be kept secret from the former president.
If Justice Merchan approves the restrictions, he would be just the latest judge to impose a gag order on the former president. There was an order in the Washington case, a federal case that involves accusations that Mr. Trump plotted to overturn the 2020 election. And the judge in Mr. Trump’s civil fraud trial that recently concluded ordered Mr. Trump not to comment on court staff members.
The Manhattan criminal case was the first of Mr. Trump’s four indictments to be filed. Last year, the district attorney’s office accused Mr. Trump of 34 felonies, saying he had orchestrated a cover-up of a potential sex scandal with a porn star that could have hindered his 2016 presidential campaign. The trial is scheduled to begin on March 25.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers will most likely oppose the gag order and could appeal it if Justice Merchan adopts it.
The former president has reveled in public attacks on his former fixer, Michael D. Cohen, who is now one of Mr. Bragg’s key witnesses. Mr. Cohen paid $130,000 in hush money to the porn star to silence her story of an affair with Mr. Trump and was later reimbursed by Mr. Trump.
Mr. Bragg wants the judge, Juan M. Merchan, to protect jurors as well. His prosecutors asked that Mr. Trump be barred from publicly revealing their identities. And although Mr. Trump and his legal team are allowed to know the jurors’ names, Mr. Bragg asked that their addresses be kept secret from the former president.
If Justice Merchan approves the restrictions, he would be just the latest judge to impose a gag order on the former president. There was an order in the Washington case, a federal case that involves accusations that Mr. Trump plotted to overturn the 2020 election. And the judge in Mr. Trump’s civil fraud trial that recently concluded ordered Mr. Trump not to comment on court staff members.
The Manhattan criminal case was the first of Mr. Trump’s four indictments to be filed. Last year, the district attorney’s office accused Mr. Trump of 34 felonies, saying he had orchestrated a cover-up of a potential sex scandal with a porn star that could have hindered his 2016 presidential campaign. The trial is scheduled to begin on March 25.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers will most likely oppose the gag order and could appeal it if Justice Merchan adopts it.
The former president has reveled in public attacks on his former fixer, Michael D. Cohen, who is now one of Mr. Bragg’s key witnesses. Mr. Cohen paid $130,000 in hush money to the porn star to silence her story of an affair with Mr. Trump and was later reimbursed by Mr. Trump.
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