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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 23:25:22 GMT
My family lives in the community with one of the military bases taking it kids. There will be up to 1200 kids housed here at a cost of $250 per day. They are in old open bay barracks (50-100 kids per room) It is requiring the importation of vetted people to stand watch, clean up after them, cook for them. They are only supposed to be here 30-45 days but the reality is most will be here longer because there isn't the ability to find other places for them to go fast enough and those coming in are arriving at a faster rate than the ones that are leaving. Child protective services can't just turn them over to anyone who says they are willing to sponsor a child. There must be background checks, home health checks etc first so they aren't giving the kids to pediphiles. That isn't a problem, according to Nancy Pelosi. None of this is a problem. I know. sigh. she hasn't seen the young faces staring through a chain link fence because they can't just be turned loose to roam city streets and these housing situations have NO play areas. They are military training areas. Not recreational areas. Not even a few basketball or soccer areas to play on. |
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Post by I-95 on Jul 4, 2014 23:42:24 GMT
Where did you get the information that they are given amnesty? Everything I've read said that the Mexican kids are being deported immediately (logical since Mexico is right there) and children from other countries are either being placed with family members already here, until a deportation hearing is held, or placed in a detention center until a deportation hearing is held. Many will simply not show up for the hearing and become part of the illegals already here, but those are the ones who have been placed with family members anyway so someone is taking care of them.
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Post by dawndoll on Jul 4, 2014 23:46:07 GMT
I think someone needs to stop it and quickly. As far as this country being able to take care of them, we have our own elderly, hungry, unemployed, under employed, and those that still need health care that we are not really taking care of. Yes, I can't imagine sending a child alone to another country not knowing what will happen to them or who will take care of them but we can't solve everyone's problems. We are not doing so great at solving our own problems. BINGO! When all of our citizens are taken care of, then we can look for others to take care of. Until then, let's keep our money working to take care of our own. |
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Post by I-95 on Jul 4, 2014 23:46:34 GMT
Shoot for that amount of money they should turn them over to the Marriott. It would be cheaper to stay at a hotel and be fed 3 times a day...and that would be with private rooms, maid service, plasma TVs, instead of 50-100 kids on cots in a barracks setting!! Craziness.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 4, 2014 23:51:01 GMT
Are we granting them all amnesty and letting them stay? (I should be, but have not been keeping up on this story, it's happening in my city, but I just am so burned out on this stuff right now I've tuned it out). Those from all countries except Mexico are granted amnesty as long as they are under 18. Which is encouraging parents to send under aged kids alone. If they come with adults they aren't automatically granted amnesty. Human traffic-ers are a booming business in these countries by charging families exhorbinate amounts to "safely" see the kids to the border. On the trip the kids are also sold into sexual activities. In the meantime their home countries are losing a generation of young adults who won't be around to support those countries aging population.
Once they are here they are too far behind in their English skills to be sent to most American public schools so their education comes to a halt and they hit adult hood wit no education, low literacy/language skills in English and aren't hireable as adults.
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Post by Kath on Jul 4, 2014 23:54:26 GMT
From the link posted earlier:
I am a little nervous about what's going on in these facilities. That's a lot of unaccompanied children being watched by men.
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Post by doxielady on Jul 5, 2014 0:55:56 GMT
This story has been big news in our area (San Diego - Murrietta area). Buses of children were turned away due to protesters in the streets blocking them. It's ongoing and more planes and buses will be arriving regularly.
I admit to not being on top of some of the politics of this, but I don't think I could be any more torn on a topic than this.
My heart feels for every child that is sent to a foreign country to seek a better life. I can't imagine the circumstances that bring someone to do that.
Yet, my brain thinks that there are SO many children here and now that need our support and financial assistance that aren't getting it. So many adults without jobs, health care and housing that need financial and social support that aren't getting it. We haven't got unlimited resources.
Then my heart realizes that we are almost all immigrants - we all came from other countries seeking a better life. We have a sign posted welcoming the poor and huddled masses.
Then my brain realizes that they are coming here illegally. There are so many people that work hard and follow the law to become citizens legally and it isn't fair to them to have other simply granted amnesty (if, in fact they are being granted amnesty) The sheer numbers are staggering. How will we ever be able to keep up with the volume of people coming here?
I am so torn. We have to find a way to be humane and yet we have to find a way to slow or stop the volume of children coming over.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 0:59:06 GMT
Where did you get the information that they are given amnesty? Everything I've read said that the Mexican kids are being deported immediately (logical since Mexico is right there) and children from other countries are either being placed with family members already here, until a deportation hearing is held, or placed in a detention center until a deportation hearing is held. Many will simply not show up for the hearing and become part of the illegals already here, but those are the ones who have been placed with family members anyway so someone is taking care of them. Exactly, nowhere have I read they are getting amnesty. Do you have a link for that??? |
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Post by doxielady on Jul 5, 2014 1:10:32 GMT
Here is excerpt from a news article that talks about the processing. I thought it was interesting and concerning at the same time.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 5, 2014 1:42:24 GMT
This story has been big news in our area (San Diego - Murrietta area). Buses of children were turned away due to protesters in the streets blocking them. It's ongoing and more planes and buses will be arriving regularly.
I admit to not being on top of some of the politics of this, but I don't think I could be any more torn on a topic than this.
My heart feels for every child that is sent to a foreign country to seek a better life. I can't imagine the circumstances that bring someone to due that.
Yet, my brain thinks that there are SO many children here and now that need our support and financial assistance that aren't getting it. So many adults without jobs, health care and housing that need financial and social support that aren't getting it. We haven't got unlimited resources.
Then my heart realizes that we are almost all immigrants - we all came from other countries seeking a better life. We have a sign posted welcoming the poor and huddled masses.
Then my brain realizes that they are coming here illegally. There are so many people that work hard and follow the law to become citizens legally and it isn't fair to them to have other simply granted amnesty (if, in fact they are being granted amnesty) The sheer numbers are staggering. How will we ever be able to keep up with the volume of people coming here?
I am so torn. We have to find a way to be humane and yet we have to find a way to slow or stop the volume of children coming over.
There are just no easy answers and I respect those who are trying to solve this crises. There are no easy answers. Just as in war, this is a horrific dilemma. Do you put countless lives at immediate risk to preserve the lives of those here, or do you allow yourself to be overrun and risk losing everything? My thoughts are pretty consistent. Women who want abortions are allowed to have them in this country at their own decision. The only thing I want is for those women to appreciate that they are ending a potential human life and they may choose that course to benefit the lives already here. All of these examples come down to the same question in the end. Is this something we must put an end to or can we afford to allow it to continue? |
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Post by happyOCgirl on Jul 5, 2014 2:18:14 GMT
We are not a rich country when you look at the amount of our debt. I'm curious (I really don't know the answer...): How much do we give to these countries? Did these countries help the U.S after Katrina or 9/11?
The message this sends to the rest of the world of America not able to stop thousands of children who are breaking the law is very troublesome.
If the government really had a concrete plan about deportation, I think many of us would be more than willing to help!
My Dad is a Purple Heart veteran who is disabled from the war. How we can refuse to help our own citizens in favor of non-Americans really baffles me.
I know the quality of life is very different there. Does anyone know if there is a travel advisory for these countries right now? I am off to look it up.
Thanks for listening! I worry about my beloved country. Wouldn't it be amazing if this turned out to be the feel good story of the year? America needs something positive!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 2:58:01 GMT
We are not a rich country when you look at the amount of our debt. I'm curious (I really don't know the answer...): How much do we give to these countries? Did these countries help the U.S after Katrina or 9/11? The message this sends to the rest of the world of America not able to stop thousands of children who are breaking the law is very troublesome. If the government really had a concrete plan about deportation, I think many of us would be more than willing to help! My Dad is a Purple Heart veteran who is disabled from the war. How we can refuse to help our own citizens in favor of non-Americans really baffles me. I know the quality of life is very different there. Does anyone know if there is a travel advisory for these countries right now? I am off to look it up. Thanks for listening! I worry about my beloved country. Wouldn't it be amazing if this turned out to be the feel good story of the year? America needs something positive!
Many countries have helped us after natural disasters and 9/11. Sadly the news doesn't report it much.
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Post by jonda1974 on Jul 5, 2014 3:44:58 GMT
Both volt and raindancer make very valid points. This is tough, because if it were adults we would have an easier justification for deportation, but how do we really know who or where to send these poor kids back to? Imagine how many are lost to the sex trade or worse on the way. We not only have to find a way to stem the trafficking for the USA but to stem the danger these kids are in during the trip as well. I shudder thinking what they may be enduring.
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Post by BuckeyeSandy on Jul 5, 2014 4:01:31 GMT
I am very upset with many of our elected representatives, the current Administration, and not a few appointed folks for this "man-made" catastrophe.
The people I do not blame are the parents and the children (birth to early 20s) that were "sold a bill of goods" and are now trapped. Unable to return home and unable to stay where they are trapped now, and treated NOT AS SISTERS AND BROTHERS but as objects!!!
I am mad, even pea-vivid (if that is still possible).
There are those (the "powers that be") that just pack them and shuttle them around like they are boxes of goods. Where the "powers that be" place them, are less than welcoming and not equip to house them. This is worse (IMHO) than the interment of Americans of Japanese ancestry in WW II!!!
There are several faith-based charities that are trying to assist, but have been forbidden contact the "detainees" or even work under contract (or donate) to provide food, water, medical care, shelter, clothing, and activities.
I know of three Catholic religious communities (religious orders) that have tried to offer medical care and supplies, as well as organize for places to stay and activities (social and religious) and have been not even been granted the courtesy of a negative reply.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 5:23:14 GMT
Where did you get the information that they are given amnesty? Everything I've read said that the Mexican kids are being deported immediately (logical since Mexico is right there) and children from other countries are either being placed with family members already here, until a deportation hearing is held, or placed in a detention center until a deportation hearing is held. Many will simply not show up for the hearing and become part of the illegals already here, but those are the ones who have been placed with family members anyway so someone is taking care of them. It was a radio interview with a congressman out of Arizona. Sorry I don't recall his name, and Tom Colburn from Oklahoma. The kids can't just be handed over to "family" members. The family's have to be checked for suitability as any child being placed in foster care. And there are interstate transfer issues. A minor in an Oklahoma detention center can't just be put on a bus to New Jersey. The whole process is far more complicated than most of you seem to be aware.
I know Tom Colburn had a website up about the issues but I"ve got family visiting this next week and don't have the time, energy or focus to do the research. If you want to question it you'll have to research it.
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Post by I-95 on Jul 5, 2014 8:18:35 GMT
I truly didn't expect you to go do my research for me, I'm just not that kind of Pea!  Yes, I got from the articles I was reading that actually connecting the kids with family members takes weeks, but still, nothing was mentioned about amnesty in any of them. I would be gobsmacked if they were handing out amnesty just like that....some of them may be applying for amnesty, but that's a complicated process and takes a long time because they have to prove that their lives are in danger if they go back. Economic hardship does not qualify for amnesty. OK, off to see what the Congressman said...might that have been on NPR? I'll check out Tom Colburn first. Thanks  |
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Post by Skypea on Jul 5, 2014 8:26:29 GMT
it's no worse there now then it has been in the past.
the drug cartel is telling them (and charging them) to send their kids up here. that along with BOs announcements about immigration... why does Mexico have postings about getting foodstamps in the US?
it is keeping our border control away from watching the borders... and guess who is getting thru while our people are tending children?
nothing going on that isn't supported by bo and his admin. overrun our system til it fails...
a crisis a week... one to take the news off of the prev one...
how much did you hear about the missing 6B in the state dept?
how much have you heard about the 3M 'sign ups' for OC that are 'missing' - don't remember now if they were deleted or just not 'showing up' in any insurance co computers.
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 5, 2014 9:04:16 GMT
But comparatively we are doing a decent job (comparatively to developing nations, we are pretty behind other industrialized countries) and regardless of how well we allocate our funds, we are rich, rich, rich in this country. And as the children are in our country, it is our problem. And we are not doing much to solve it. Yes, I agree that it is our responsibility to offer a humane solution of some sort to those already here. I don't know the answer and evidently those whose job it is to solve it don't have the answer either. But we can't continue to allow these numbers. I still firmly believe we should be taking care of U.S. citizens first. If we are rich enough to take care of unlimited immigrants, why are we still faced with homeless and hunger? |
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 5, 2014 9:13:47 GMT
it's no worse there now then it has been in the past.
the drug cartel is telling them (and charging them) to send their kids up here. that along with BOs announcements about immigration... why does Mexico have postings about getting foodstamps in the US?
it is keeping our border control away from watching the borders... and guess who is getting thru while our people are tending children?
nothing going on that isn't supported by bo and his admin. overrun our system til it fails...
a crisis a week... one to take the news off of the prev one...
how much did you hear about the missing 6B in the state dept?
how much have you heard about the 3M 'sign ups' for OC that are 'missing' - don't remember now if they were deleted or just not 'showing up' in any insurance co computers.
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Post by agengr2004 on Jul 5, 2014 13:21:52 GMT
My family lives in the community with one of the military bases taking it kids. There will be up to 1200 kids housed here at a cost of $250 per day. They are in old open bay barracks (50-100 kids per room) It is requiring the importation of vetted people to stand watch, clean up after them, cook for them. They are only supposed to be here 30-45 days but the reality is most will be here longer because there isn't the ability to find other places for them to go fast enough and those coming in are arriving at a faster rate than the ones that are leaving. Child protective services can't just turn them over to anyone who says they are willing to sponsor a child. There must be background checks, home health checks etc first so they aren't giving the kids to pediphiles. I don't think we live in the same community but they are doing the exact same thing here. They are being housed in barracks at our Air Force base. |
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Post by raindancer on Jul 5, 2014 20:37:11 GMT
(comparatively to developing nations, we are pretty behind other industrialized countries) I dont know last year in London and Paris we saw tons of homeless people. In fact in Paris I probably saw more homeless people and more homeless families than I have ever seen before in my life collectively ( and I used to spend my summers with a friend on Houston st NYC and travel the Bowery area ) not sure what the deal was but it looked pretty bad there last summer. I spent a great deal of time praying over it. I do not think we are equipped to take in and care for 60,000 kids. And it will take congress to long to come to terms with what needs to be done to appropriately care for them. It crazy for anyone in any country to think they'd be safe and cared for here. I hit enter too soon. Non governmental groups are going to have to step forward to help, the bureaucracy in the government will take too long, they could starve before a decision was made. I'm telling you that as a nation, the US is very far behind other industrial nations in terms of many, many, many things, including poverty rates, infant and maternal mortality, crime rates, etc. Regardless of your perception, we have a lot of issues in terms of public health when compared to other countries as advanced as we are. |
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Post by raindancer on Jul 5, 2014 20:44:35 GMT
The solution is diplomatic. We have to work with the Mexican government to find a safe way to send them back to their own country. That's the only way I can see to stem this tide. And the world needs to address the humanitarian crisis that exists and is causing this to occur. There's a big elephant in the room. These kids are not coming from Mexico, they are coming in alone from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador. They are fleeing violence in their countries. And historically, the US has had a part in that as well, historically speaking. I know it's easy for people to disconnect individual events and try to see it at this micro level, but the reality is that we have played a role in the instability in that region, and continue to do so. Add to that the fact that our border is clearly not secure, and that congress refuses to work together at any level and we have this problem. We made our bed. And it's going to be a big problem to lie in it. |
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Post by gypsymama on Jul 5, 2014 21:17:08 GMT
this quote - Ironically, it was former President Bush which signed into law the Homeland Security Act of 2002, which requires that any unaccompanied minor who isn’t from Mexico caught at the border be taken into custody and transferred to the Office of Refugee Resettlement. They are then either sent to a suitable relative or put into long-term foster care. In other words, they stay in the United States and now that there are a lot of them – fleeing drug wars and hunger – Republicans don’t like that compassionate law any more. came from this page. i know nothing of their accuracy it just came across my fb feed |
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Post by raindancer on Jul 5, 2014 23:34:16 GMT
this quote - Ironically, it was former President Bush which signed into law the Homeland Security Act of 2002, which requires that any unaccompanied minor who isn’t from Mexico caught at the border be taken into custody and transferred to the Office of Refugee Resettlement. They are then either sent to a suitable relative or put into long-term foster care. In other words, they stay in the United States and now that there are a lot of them – fleeing drug wars and hunger – Republicans don’t like that compassionate law any more. came from this page. i know nothing of their accuracy it just came across my fb feed That is really interesting. |
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 6, 2014 1:15:09 GMT
From the link posted earlier:
I am a little nervous about what's going on in these facilities. That's a lot of unaccompanied children being watched by men.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jul 6, 2014 1:30:26 GMT
this quote - Ironically, it was former President Bush which signed into law the Homeland Security Act of 2002, which requires that any unaccompanied minor who isn’t from Mexico caught at the border be taken into custody and transferred to the Office of Refugee Resettlement. They are then either sent to a suitable relative or put into long-term foster care. In other words, they stay in the United States and now that there are a lot of them – fleeing drug wars and hunger – Republicans don’t like that compassionate law any more. came from this page. i know nothing of their accuracy it just came across my fb feed |
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Post by paulaj3266 on Jul 6, 2014 1:38:27 GMT
I don't understand any parent putting their child on a plane to go to another country. What are these parents thinking? What if they are never reunited with their child? They will spend the rest of their lives searching for them.
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Post by txdancermom on Jul 6, 2014 2:04:54 GMT
I can't imagine being in a situation where I felt that my children would be better off being sent to another country on their own. but then I don't have armed gangs/armys etc roaming where I live.
The children for the most part are innocents and except for some of the older ones do not understand the political implications of the decision their parents made sending them here. As americans, our country was built on people escaping bad situations. And these are children, and do not deserve to be kept in jails/warehouses. I agree with the Dallas County Commissioner who is opening up places in our county to house and take care of the kids.
It is a problem, but turning them back when they cross isn't the answer, helping the countries where they are coming from is - and how we do that I don't know.
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Post by betazed on Jul 6, 2014 3:04:57 GMT
I don't understand any parent putting their child on a plane to go to another country. What are these parents thinking? What if they are never reunited with their child? They will spend the rest of their lives searching for them. These children are not being put on a plane by their parents. They wouldn't even be allowed to get on a flight without proper documentation ( passport, visa to enter the USA). These kids are making their way to the US border and somehow crossing over. They might have been sent by their parents, hoping for a better life for them. In some instances they may not have parents or much family left behind in their country. Sad situation, overall.... |
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Post by raindancer on Jul 6, 2014 3:50:54 GMT
I don't understand any parent putting their child on a plane to go to another country. What are these parents thinking? What if they are never reunited with their child? They will spend the rest of their lives searching for them. These children are not being put on a plane by their parents. They wouldn't even be allowed to get on a flight without proper documentation ( passport, visa to enter the USA). These kids are making their way to the US border and somehow crossing over. They might have been sent by their parents, hoping for a better life for them. In some instances they may not have parents or much family left behind in their country. Sad situation, overall.... I think that it is not at all difficult if you do some research on what is going on in some of these locations around the world. Children die from diarrheal diseases, malaria, and violence, thousands and thousands every day. As a parent, it would tear my heart out to send them, but if I thought it might mean that they would live to adult hood, even if it was far away from me? I cannot say I wouldn't make the same choice. |
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Granting amnesty just encourages this.
