zella
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Post by zella on Jan 3, 2024 18:38:42 GMT
Thank you. You've all confirmed that I'm not, apparently, overreacting. That is something I very much needed to know. Like I said, I can't trust my own judgment anymore.
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wellway
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Post by wellway on Jan 3, 2024 18:47:54 GMT
If you can't trust your judgement, let the professionals figure out the truth. Everything you have written about this child and this situation screams professional invention is long overdue.
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Rhondito
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Post by Rhondito on Jan 3, 2024 18:58:31 GMT
My understanding is that yes, it was her military issue weapon. She is military police. Her ex, my daughter's current, should know to call her commanding officer. He was in the military too. That's where they met, I believe. He now works for the post office. Works 60-70 hours a week, thus rarely home. I won't call CPS for one reason only. I had it done to me. Twice. And it almost destroyed me. My daughter is so fragile... we know there is an age when a child can decide where to live for themselves. Other daughter and I are looking into this. It might be as young as 10. Granddaughter is miserable at both mother's and father's houses... hoping to get her here for spring break... get some more insight. She is incredibly mature. I need to talk to her. She is safer at her father's, but it mentally kills her there. Daughter is really capable of only parenting one child at a time effectively. I am in an awful position. If I call CPS, daughter will know it was me. Even if it wasn't, she'd always think it was. Damn it. That's why I was pushing hard for B to be inpatient... get an assessment. Please don't judge me harshly... I had doctors try to take my younger daughter away from me... I will never recover from that... it changed me forever... Fuck that. You're putting yourself and your daughter - both adults - over the well-being of children. You know a child is being abused and if you don't report it, you're just as complicit as your daughter.
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zella
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Post by zella on Jan 3, 2024 18:58:41 GMT
Am currently talking to family... figuring out next move.
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Post by Jamie on Jan 3, 2024 19:15:32 GMT
Sorry, but I would have been on the phone to CPS long ago. Your daughter may not be in the right frame of mind but she shouldn't be your concern, those children should be. By you not calling you aren't protecting the other kids in the home he is potentially molesting. By you not reporting the potential molestation you are just as guilty as your daughter and her significant other for allowing it to happen.
God forbid that happened to me growing up and knowing that my grandmother knew and decided not to protect me, sorry that is just a big no. You need to do everything to protect those children even if it means she disowns you. At least you knew you did what a responsible adult would do and hopefully those kids get the help they need.
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ellemkay
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Post by ellemkay on Jan 3, 2024 19:37:40 GMT
Not that it adds much to the story but it's unlikely the gun that was shot was the mother's service weapon. Why would she have that at home? Did she not have to go to the armory every day and get her weapon like every other MP or Security Forces member then return it at the end of duty day?
Either way, this needs serious attention now from someone who will give a damn about the welfare of the kids, especially that baby. Wtaf.
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Post by agengr2004 on Jan 3, 2024 19:39:16 GMT
I want daughter to make intervention herself, or rather, her fiance who is the bio father of the troubled boy. He NEEDS to do this. I really, really don't want to do something that may cause more distance, then how do I ever know if any of the kids are safe? Plus my ex son in law won't communicate with me, I don't think... then I may lose granddaughter too... my own FAMILY is telling me to wait... they claim I'm overestimating things due to my dementia. I don't know if my judgment is affected by my dementia... how could I? Who is it in your family that you trust thier judgement more than any of the others? Take this to them and see what they say. I ONLY say this because my grandmother had dementia and had some wild tales to tell when she had particularly stressful episodes.
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rodeomom
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Post by rodeomom on Jan 3, 2024 19:47:57 GMT
Just a few questions, if you don't mind. 1. B is not the child who fired the gun? 2. This did not happen at your daughter's house. 3. Who told you that B hurt the other children?
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Post by stormycat on Jan 3, 2024 20:04:26 GMT
It’s not up to you to investigate or decide how things happened, that is literally what CPS is for. To investigate and see if there is an issue of neglect and/or abuse. That is their job, yours is to speak up when you know something is wrong in that house. Stop thinking about it, stop taking with other people, you need to take action.
Today I sat in the Neurologist office seeing what other options there are for my son’s Epilepsy. He’s on a ton of meds and had half his brain disconnected surgically. If only someone made that call my son (who I adopted) might not have suffered a severe TBI at 5 weeks old. He might not have gotten 2 skull fractures. People in that family KNEW what was going on and did NOTHING to stop it.
I love my son more than life, and as much as I love him if I could go back in time and make it never happen, I would in a heartbeat, even knowing that means I would never be his mom. NO CHILD deserves to be let down by the grown ups in their lives. Those children are being let down by their parents/step parent and by YOU.
DO SOMETHING NOW
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johnnysmom
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Post by johnnysmom on Jan 3, 2024 22:10:29 GMT
Ok if you won’t call LE or CPS or the military,…what about the kids’ school? Do you know what school they go to? They probably won’t tell you anything (including if the kids even attend there) but they will most likely listen and then maybe, if you’re lucky, they will fill in the school counselor and have them build a relationship with the kids who will hopefully disclose their home life and then the school will report it. It’ll take a long time and it’s not guaranteed to work but since you’re not willing to do anything else….
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 3, 2024 22:19:12 GMT
I came into this thread (and your OP) prepared to say, oh, his life has been unstable, he is only nine, he needs stability and patience, but then I read his actual behavior and that kid is going to be in juvenile detention in no time flat and it's just a question of how serious the offense he commits is going to be. And frankly your daughter is fixing to as well.
He needs serious professional help. Now. Either mom needs to connect him to services and have a safety plan immediately or you really do need to get outside folks involved. I am sorry.
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Post by littlemama on Jan 3, 2024 22:26:53 GMT
Am currently talking to family... figuring out next move. Im glad you are talking to your family. If you feel that your judgement is impaired by your dementia, you have to take these things to your family and/or your therapist. They will be best equipped to sort through the situation and make sure what you believe is happening is accurate. On the surface, it is easy for all of us to tell you to get CPS involved; however, none of us is intimately familiar with your dementia's progression and what effect that may have on your interpretation of what is happening in that household. Your experience with CPS is NOT a reason not to involve them. If the children are truly in danger, they need to be involved.
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frankiegirl
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Post by frankiegirl on Jan 3, 2024 22:47:05 GMT
You mentioned pushing hard to get B into inpatient - are you talking psychiatric care? I don't know where they live but around here you are looking at a 6-12 month wait list. An assessment can take months and then inpatient is the last resort.
Even if CPS does nothing with the referral - it is still on record. And it is not up to the caseworker to remove a child. That is the courts decision. There are many horror stories about CPS but the number of positive stories far outweigh them. Make the referral.
In our state social workers are mandated to report animal abuse. So when a family tells me that their child is lighting a dogs paws on fire or throwing the cat against the wall to hear it cry I have to call the counties animal warden. And they do follow up on reports. Because that is not normal behaviors. And any time a child is harming an animal that behavior has to be flagged as "GET HELP NOW".
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Post by Lexica on Jan 3, 2024 23:17:43 GMT
I was under the impression that the military had very strict rules for their military families. This was relayed to me as part of a detailed story by the spouse of someone in the military so I am assuming it is factual. If it is, perhaps that is a good way to start. Especially if the weapon the boy used was a military one. And unfortunately since that episode did not result in consequences for this very disturbed young boy, he will not hesitate to do so again when the opportunity presents itself.
I got a bit lost in understanding which child is related to you, but that really doesn’t matter in this situation. Both the young girl and the toddler are in grave danger, undoubtedly hoping an adult steps up and protects them. I understand your distrust of you own mind, but please be reassured, just based on the facts you related, you are not wrong in your feelings of concern, but are feeling insecure due to things being said to you. Can your husband be the one to step up here and do the reporting so that no one can blame your health as being overreacting?
Please let us know how this progresses when you can.
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zella
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Post by zella on Jan 4, 2024 0:57:29 GMT
Just a few questions, if you don't mind. 1. B is not the child who fired the gun? 2. This did not happen at your daughter's house. 3. Who told you that B hurt the other children? We don't believe it was B who fired the gun. It happened at his bio mother's house. Not at my daughter's. We have asked many times and are assured the guns they have are all locked up, though this doesn't mean much to us as we know kids can always find a way. B said he hurt the toddler, but did so when under duress, i.e. when offered a reward for speaking "the truth." The fact is we have no clue what the truth is as we live across the country and haven't seen the family in a long time. This is all based on what my daughter said. We do hope that they have moved a nanny cam into B's room at least. He was sharing a bedroom with the toddler and toddler was getting hurt way too often... per my daughter.
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zella
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Post by zella on Jan 4, 2024 1:05:01 GMT
Thank you. This is incredibly complex. My daughter has no custody of B. His father, with whom my daughter lives, has split custody I think. His bio mother just dumped the child after she moved. Sent him for a summer visit a couple of years ago and never wanted him back. He was already damaged before that... the only stable home he's known has been with my daughter and her fiance actually. Very long, involved story.I worry he is too damaged already, at 9, to ever be really okay. I've worked with kids like that.
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zella
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Post by zella on Jan 4, 2024 1:08:21 GMT
Not that it adds much to the story but it's unlikely the gun that was shot was the mother's service weapon. Why would she have that at home? Did she not have to go to the armory every day and get her weapon like every other MP or Security Forces member then return it at the end of duty day? Either way, this needs serious attention now from someone who will give a damn about the welfare of the kids, especially that baby. Wtaf. Apparently it was boyfriend's weapon, but he was in military too. He was reprimanded in some way, but nothing that serious... no jail time or anything like that. Sorry, I didn't know about the armory. Was a military wife for a while, but in medical side.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 4, 2024 1:30:34 GMT
I’m a little confused. When did the gun incident happen? And when you say he is harming the younger child and animals, can you give more details on what he is doing?
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Post by guzismom on Jan 4, 2024 3:14:44 GMT
incredible...
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Jan 4, 2024 3:38:43 GMT
I don't want to beat a dead horse or pile up on you Zella. Not at all. I know in the past I have also felt as if when you came here with a problem, you poo poo'd everyone's ideas and thoughts and had so many excuses.
I also know you are now dealing with dementia, and from listening to a good friend of mine whose mom is in the early/mid stage of dementia, it does mess with you and cause all sorts of weird delusions, etc. For instance, my friends mom will call her in the middle of the night to tell her there is a snake upstairs. Multiple nights. She lives in an assisted living place. There is no upstairs, and certainly no snake. So again, I get that your mind might be distorted.
You seem pretty on top of this, though. And while I can also understand your apprehension, it can't be easy to think about your daughter cutting you off and not letting you see your grandchild, but you also won't see your grandchild if this little boy does something more drastic. What if he starts molesting her?? This causes life long ramifications! Trust me, I know what I am talking about sadly.
There are soooooo many warning signs with him. You say you want your daughter and his father to handle this, but the fact is, they are NOT handling this. Knowing that a 9 year old (NINE!!) has sexually abused his little sister is awful, and I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but every single adult who knew/knows this and did nothing should be ashamed. I would have called an authority the very second I knew this, no matter who it was. I honestly would not care at this point if my daughter cut me off for reporting this. It's horrifying. Like I said, I KNOW what this does to children and families as I have lived the ramifications of what it does to families. When children grow up and know that those who could have stopped it looked the other way and did nothing--that is hard to forgive.
He's hurting animals?? Again, horrifying. That is what almost every known serial killer did when they were children. Someone has got to do something!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 4, 2024 5:38:08 GMT
zella - I know it's hard when you're struggling. Please do what you can for these babies. Listen please - do what you can - you posted because you knew there was a problem - trust yourself that this is not okayl
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Post by smasonnc on Jan 4, 2024 14:06:05 GMT
I want daughter to make intervention herself, or rather, her fiance who is the bio father of the troubled boy. He NEEDS to do this. I really, really don't want to do something that may cause more distance, then how do I ever know if any of the kids are safe? Plus my ex son in law won't communicate with me, I don't think... then I may lose granddaughter too... my own FAMILY is telling me to wait... they claim I'm overestimating things due to my dementia. I don't know if my judgment is affected by my dementia... how could I? You want your daughter to intervene. That's the equivalent of thoughts & prayers. Hope is not a strategy. Unsecured firearms in the home? Porn? Molestation? I'm shocked that nothing was done after a gun was fired. Those kids are not safe in that environment. I'm glad you're consulting your family, but if they don't think CPS needs to be involved, they're the ones not thinking clearly. I grew up in a very dysfunctional environment. You don't realize how nuts things are until you're out of it. It may be your family's "normal" so they don't understand the gravity of the situation.
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Post by twinks on Jan 4, 2024 18:14:13 GMT
I have a couple of thoughts. This is not the first time your daughter has threatened you to keep your grandchildren away from you. This issues seems to be her MO when anything comes up. In the past, if you paid and were promised 3-4 days with granddaughter and only got 1 day, what realistic “hope” do you have that you can “get her away” from the situation in the Spring? What realistic hope do you have that you can protect your granddaughter and grandson with trying to convince your daughter to do something? It hasn’t worked in the past has it?
This step grandson, even without the problems, needed some serious support from professionals. Being “abandoned” by his mother can mess with anyone’s head. Since he is exhibiting some serious behaviors, it is all the more important that he get professional help. This is beyond anything you can do by “hoping.” It is beyond what your daughter can do. Please call CPS and the LE, both.
It seems to me, from the outside and from what you have posted, that this particular daughter has not always made the best choices for her. She seems to be always producing a lot of drama. In your current situation, is this good for you? You need to not be under so much stress. If you aren’t going to do something then don’t get so involved. You can be loving and supportive without putting undo stress and drama in your own life.
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