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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2024 1:50:29 GMT
I’m just saying as a singer when you compare her to other women singers she is just so so. You're free to have your own opinion, obviously. I just don't see the point in disparaging her talent because you think doesn't sing as well as some other women. /shrug As to her interaction with her fans, that may be spreading to other entertainers. Glen Powell aka as Hangman has a new movie out and he’s gone to a couple of theaters showing the film and thanked the movie goers for choosing to watch the movie. That’s kind of neat. I'm sure it's not exclusive to T-Swizzle. I just know she's, literally, been doing it for years and years. Dropping easter eggs and hints and playing the long game. Just today she seems to have alerted everyone to a possible new album drop just by taking her SM pics and changing them to black and white. We're hoping for the announcement at the Grammys, but who knows? I hope your power continues to stay on! “LOOK AT WHAT YOU MADE ME DO, Taylor. You and Mr. Pfizer are now at the top of my enemies list. I don’t get too angry, I get even. Hey, Taylor, that would be a good song title for you!” To quote the Mastermind herself "There is one thing I've learned: My response to anything that happens, good or bad, is to keep making things. Keep making art. But I've also learned there's no point in actively trying to quote unquote defeat your enemies. Trash takes itself out every single time.” No one is “disparaging” her or her talent. There are always going to be comparisons and in this case she is being compared to one of the greatest singers of modern times. And when it comes to song writing she is like so many others in her field of writing their own music. What she has done, and it’s no small feat, is taken the talent that she has and become very successful with it. The question becomes if she didn’t have all the glamour and glitz in her shows that she does and just stood on the stage and sang with an orchestra behind her would she be as popular as she is today? Could she achieve the success she has today with just her singing? 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Feb 5, 2024 1:55:38 GMT
Well, that is just a fascist smoke and mirror show to get the inhabitants riled up to agree with/ accept prison style borders- borders which will be used to keep them in rather than anyone out. It's not an absolute. The number is for the purpose of scale. Democrats want to allow an absurd 5000 illegal crossings a day BEFORE they'll do their job and secure the border. That is a national security risk. So the counter is no. It will take zero for you to do your fucking job and secure the border. Now. Oh goody. Now do domestic terrorists and school shootings. You do support legislation that would keep kids safe, I’m sure.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2024 2:17:53 GMT
Unbelievable…
Aaron Rupar…..
”Wow. Stephanopoulos shuts down his interview with Vance and cuts him off after Vance insists that the president can defy the Supreme Court.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 5, 2024 2:24:50 GMT
On the border...
On Sunday, the group of vehicles came to Eagle Pass, TX.
Residents gathered in the city and called for the convoy to leave. One woman said she felt unsafe in her town for the first time.
I've always felt very safe here, so I would say it's a good place to raise your children," the woman explained. "Today, downtown, was the first day that I felt unsafe just walking down the street in broad daylight."
A clip of the woman's remarks was shared on X (formerly Twitter).
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2024 2:26:14 GMT
Chris Murphy…
”Minutes ago, the text of the bipartisan national security funding bill was released. It:
-funds Ukraine, Israel, and humanitarian relief -secures our border and reforms our asylum law
1/ As the co-author of the immigration provisions, here's a THREAD on the key elements:”
2/ First - it would be easy to just keep immigration and border policy as a political cudgel for another 40 years. But politics at its best is about finding bipartisan compromise on the toughest issues. That's what we've done here.
Here's a snapshot of what's in the bill.
3/ A quicker, fairer asylum process. No more 10 yr wait. Claims processed in a non-detained, non-adversarial way in 6 months.
A slightly higher asylum screening standard at the border.
Also, no more waiting for work permits. Most asylum seekers can work immediately.
4/ A brand new right to legal representation for all immigrants. Remember when Trump denied lawyers to victims of the Muslim ban? Never again.
And...the first ever government paid-for lawyers for young unaccompanied minors. A long standing injustice righted.
5/ A requirement the President to funnel asylum claims to the land ports of entry when more than 5,000 people cross a day. The border never closes, but claims must be processed at the ports.
This allows for a more a more orderly, humane asylum processing system.
6/ But...important checks on that power. It can only be used for a limited number of days per year. It sunsets in 3 years. Emergency cases that show up in between the ports still need to be accepted. The ports must process a minimum of 1400 claims a day.
7/ You can't reduce arrivals at the border without allowing for more legal immigration. So, more visas! 50,000 extra employment and family reunification visas each year for the next 5 years.
And a brand new visa category to allow non-citizens to visit family in the U.S.
8/ A clarification of how humanitarian parole is used at the land borders, but NO changes to the President's ability to bring in vetted, sponsored migrants through the program known as CNHV (Cuba, Nicaragua, Haiti, and Venezuela parole).
9/ A new pathway to citizenship for Afghan parolees (the Afghan Adjustment Act) and the children of H1B holders (these kids are often currently subject to deportation when they become 21).
10/ The bill helps fix the border and reform our broken asylum system. But it doesn’t deviate from our nation’s core values.
We are a nation that rescues people from terror and violence. We are a nation that is stronger because of our tradition of immigration. Period. Stop.“
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 5, 2024 2:29:53 GMT
Unbelievable… Aaron Rupar….. ”Wow. Stephanopoulos shuts down his interview with Vance and cuts him off after Vance insists that the president can defy the Supreme Court.” In case you want to see the video. youtu.be/y9m30ldEyF0?si=mpRQN2q-Ks951nnk
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2024 2:34:30 GMT
No I’m not listening to her explaining anything, the idea she knows what’s in the Constitution is pretty far fetched never mind trying to explain it. Acyn… ”Kayleigh: I guess the Biden Administration doesn’t get the constitution. I’ll explain it for them. It’s up to them to actually internalize what I’m explaining.” x.com/acyn/status/1754327844795130002?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by Lurkingpea on Feb 5, 2024 2:36:45 GMT
You're free to have your own opinion, obviously. I just don't see the point in disparaging her talent because you think doesn't sing as well as some other women. /shrug I'm sure it's not exclusive to T-Swizzle. I just know she's, literally, been doing it for years and years. Dropping easter eggs and hints and playing the long game. Just today she seems to have alerted everyone to a possible new album drop just by taking her SM pics and changing them to black and white. We're hoping for the announcement at the Grammys, but who knows? I hope your power continues to stay on! To quote the Mastermind herself "There is one thing I've learned: My response to anything that happens, good or bad, is to keep making things. Keep making art. But I've also learned there's no point in actively trying to quote unquote defeat your enemies. Trash takes itself out every single time.” No one is “disparaging” her or her talent. There are always going to be comparisons and in this case she is being compared to one of the greatest singers of modern times. And when it comes to song writing she is like so many others in her field of writing their own music. What she has done, and it’s no small feat, is taken the talent that she has and become very successful with it. The question becomes if she didn’t have all the glamour and glitz in her shows that she does and just stood on the stage and sang with an orchestra behind her would she be as popular as she is today? Could she achieve the success she has today with just her singing? 🤷🏻♀️ You may not have been disparaging, but you were dismissive. The Beatles (Paul and George especially) don't have great voices, yet look how insanely popular they were and are. Mick Jagger isn't a great singer either. There are a lot of successful singers who really aren't great, or even that good. Being a popular or successful artist doesn't always have to do with actual singing. What Taylor Swift does is impressive, and I am not a Swifty by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2024 2:50:10 GMT
This is why Tucker Carlson went to Russia? To interview Putin? Unbelievable.
Ron Filipkowski…..
”It is going to be exceptionally pathetic and revealing to watch exactly who gushes over a fawning Tucker Carlson interview of Putin to see whose loyalty is with a free and democratic West, or with a murderous, oppressive autocrat who has despised the US his entire life.”
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2024 3:35:27 GMT
No one is “disparaging” her or her talent. There are always going to be comparisons and in this case she is being compared to one of the greatest singers of modern times. And when it comes to song writing she is like so many others in her field of writing their own music. What she has done, and it’s no small feat, is taken the talent that she has and become very successful with it. The question becomes if she didn’t have all the glamour and glitz in her shows that she does and just stood on the stage and sang with an orchestra behind her would she be as popular as she is today? Could she achieve the success she has today with just her singing? 🤷🏻♀️ You may not have been disparaging, but you were dismissive. The Beatles (Paul and George especially) don't have great voices, yet look how insanely popular they were and are. Mick Jagger isn't a great singer either. There are a lot of successful singers who really aren't great, or even that good. Being a popular or successful artist doesn't always have to do with actual singing. What Taylor Swift does is impressive, and I am not a Swifty by any stretch of the imagination. I’m not being dismissive. I just asked the question could she fill her venue and have the same popularity she has now without all the theatrics she has in her shows? The groups that you mentioned did fill their venues and did it with them just standing on a stage singing and playing their instruments. Well Mick Jagger did move around a lot. I think it’s a fair question that I have no idea what the answer is.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2024 3:40:29 GMT
Ron Filipkowski…
”GOP leaders in the Sen negotiated a deal in good faith w/Dems where neither side got everything they wanted but enough to fix systemic issues that have been there for decades. Many things that Trump wanted in 2018. It will pass easily in both Chambers, but Johnson won’t let it.”
”Since the bill CLEARLY and OBVIOUSLY provides a big chunk of funding for fentanyl interdiction, we can assume Republicans who pretended to care about that are as concerned about overdoses as they were during the opioid crisis when they couldn’t care less.”
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2024 3:51:01 GMT
He’s still an idiot but there is a lot of truth in this.
Dan Crenshaw…
“It’s important to address some of the more bizarre concerns right away.
“Why do we need new laws? Isn’t current law enough?”
Obviously we do need new laws. That’s why Republicans passed HR2, which was mostly new immigration law. Those advocating for HR2 can’t also claim we don’t need new laws. This bill isn’t HR2, but my simple standard will be “does it decrease illegal immigration or not?”
And if we didn’t need new laws, why was immigration so out of control even when Trump was President? Our laws have too many loopholes. Trump had to make an international agreement with Mexico to get the border under control.
It surprises me that I have to say this, but I will: WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO RELY ON MEXICO TO SECURE OUR BORDER.
We should be able to rely on laws that are clear enough so that no President can bypass them.”
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2024 5:13:02 GMT
Ron Filipkowski…
”Usually, House Leadership won’t bring something to the floor when they know they don’t have the votes to pass it.
In the case of the border bill, they won’t bring it to the floor for the exact opposite reason - they know it will pass easily with bi-partisan support.”
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Lou D…
”The House Republican leadership is about to “betray the trust” of the American people. That is a form of “treason” by definition. And make no mistake they are taking orders directly from Donald John Trump. He has demonstrated that he cares not about committing treason by his J6 actions & stealing top secret documents. So to him solving the border crisis is no big thing. If House Republican are not going to do their jobs then they should not be paid & the Speaker should be faced with a “motion to vacate” by someone who has the courage to do the right thing. It is time for House Republicans to feel the pain of the American people”
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2024 5:27:41 GMT
2/4/2024.
I don’t usually put polls on the misc thread. But decided to do one about Immigration here because there is already a fair amount of information about what is happening or not happening in Congress about immigration on this thread.
There will only be two questions and they are do you think the Senate bill should be brought to the House floor for debate, compromises, and voting on it? I’m leaving out the option to have President Biden do it by executive order. To me it’s a non issue and it’s my poll to set up. 😀
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 5, 2024 6:08:27 GMT
No I’m not listening to her explaining anything, the idea she knows what’s in the Constitution is pretty far fetched never mind trying to explain it. Acyn… ”Kayleigh: I guess the Biden Administration doesn’t get the constitution. I’ll explain it for them. It’s up to them to actually internalize what I’m explaining.” x.com/acyn/status/1754327844795130002?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwShe went to Catholic school and when she was spouting off while in the WH, the nuns, her former teachers, called her out.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 5, 2024 10:39:51 GMT
The Senate has released the new border bill. From the WaPo:
“After months of talks, Senate negotiators on Sunday released a sweeping bipartisan border security deal that is aimed at discouraging migrants from crossing the U.S.-Mexico border. The $118 billion national security legislation also includes billions of dollars in funding for Ukraine, Israel, the Indo-Pacific and humanitarian aid, but it has a politically perilous path ahead. Even before seeing its contents, lawmakers on both the right — and, to a lesser extent, the left — flanks in Congress have slammed the measure and House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) called it “dead on arrival” in the chamber. Former president Donald Trump, who has made the border a core campaign issue, opposes the deal.
Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) announced that he would hold the first procedural vote on the legislation on Wednesday, leaving the bill’s boosters little time to sell its provisions. “Senators must shut out the noise from those who want this agreement to fail for their own political agendas,” he said in a statement Sunday evening.
The legislation — a top priority for President Biden — would, if passed, mark the first significant action taken by Congress on immigration in decades. It attempts to close loopholes in the asylum process, limit the use of parole for migrants at the border and give the president new authority to effectively shut down the border to migrants when attempted crossings are high. “Get it to my desk so I can sign it into law immediately,” Biden said in a statement. An administration official also said Sunday the bill would help Israel “replenish its air defenses” as it continues its offensive against Hamas in Gaza, as well as provide funds for U.S. Central Command as it defends positions in Iraq and Syria and continues to clash with Yemen’s Houthis in the Red Sea. Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.), the lead Republican negotiator, called the bill’s changes to asylum “dramatic,” and predicted it would discourage migrants from attempting to come to the United States if passed.
“People come in mass numbers because they’re getting released,” into the country, Lankford said in an interview Sunday. “If the word gets out immediately that it’s not true anymore, people will come in a more orderly fashion.” The proposal would make it harder for migrants to apply for and qualify for asylum. The bill also encourages quicker resolutions to asylum cases at the border and creates a new removal authority to speedily remove migrants who don’t qualify for asylum.
The bill includes a trigger mechanism that would allow the border to be effectively shut down to migrants if crossings have been particularly high for several days in a row. (Around 1,400 migrants would still be able to qualify for asylum at ports of entry.) That “border emergency” provision, which expires in three years, would automatically kick in when crossings reached 5,000 per day for several days, but a president could choose to use the tool at a lower number, 4,000 per day. The legislation also scales back the Biden administration’s use of parole at land ports of entry and provides for the hiring of thousands of new Border Patrol and asylum officers, as well as increasing detention capacity.
The proposal also includes some Democratic priorities, including adding thousands more family-based and employment-based visas, allowing work authorization for spouses of U.S. citizens awaiting immigrant visas and guaranteeing access to counsel for child migrants in removal proceedings. The legislation also allows for work visas for those who do qualify for asylum. Republicans initially demanded a border policy change to pass $60 billion in Ukraine aid requested by the White House last year, and the final deal contains many tough border provisions that Republicans have long hoped to implement. But the politics of the deal abruptly changed when Trump and his allies began attacking the idea of passing any border legislation — fearful that addressing the border crisis might remove a potent campaign issue for him in an election year. Many Senate Republicans have signaled that they will not support the package, and some have mischaracterized its contents as negotiators took months to finalize the bill text.
It’s remarkable that we were able to change not just policy over the course of negotiations but the politics of the Democratic base that (they) accepted border security,” said one frustrated Republican senator who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak freely about the likely Republican presidential nominee. “And here we are, Trump once again snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.” Johnson said this weekend he planned a vote in the House on billions in aid to Israel without money for Ukraine or the border, further complicating the Senate deal’s prospects. “The House is willing to lead and the reason we have to take care of this Israel situation right now is because the situation has escalated,” he said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” before the release of the text.
In a letter to his Democratic colleagues, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) called Johnson’s new Israel-only bill “a cynical attempt to undermine the Senate’s bipartisan effort.”
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has been supportive of the deal, however, as he publicly fights for continued aid to Ukraine as it struggles to fend off a Russian invasion. Schumer has also firmly backed negotiations led by Lankford, Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (I-Ariz.) and the White House, arguing that it is the Senate’s responsibility to ensure Russian President Vladimir Putin does not continue his assault on a European nation. The United States has sent $44 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since the 2022 invasion, but the Biden administration warned late last year that it had reached the end of its ability to continue to arm Ukraine absent congressional help. Republican lawmakers began to object to sending more money to the nation last year as polls showed their voters souring on the idea. “The challenges we face will not resolve themselves, nor will our adversaries wait for America to muster the resolve to meet them,” McConnell said in a statement. “The Senate must carefully consider the opportunity in front of us and prepare to act.”
Border officials in December processed the most migrants ever recorded in one month — around 300,000 — and Biden has said he wants congressional help to ease the crisis. A majority of voters disapprove of his handling of the border, polls show, making the issue a potential liability for him as he seeks reelection in 2024. U.S. faces ‘unprecedented’ border surge The overall aid package includes $14 billion in assistance for Israel, $60 billion for Ukraine and $4.83 billion to Indo-Pacific nations. It also has $9.2 billion in humanitarian aid for civilians in Gaza, the West Bank, Ukraine and other nations, as well as $20 billion in U.S. border funds. (The bill explicitly denies federal funding to UNRWA, the U.N. agency that aids Palestinians, following allegations that 12 of its 13,000 employees were involved in the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on Israel.) Its $118 billion overall price tag is now higher than the White House’s initial request of $106 billion. The talks have been unusual, given that past efforts at bipartisan immigration reform included discussions of providing pathways to citizenship for undocumented immigrants already living in the country demanded by Democrats, in addition to tightening border restrictions.
Some immigrant rights groups expressed dismay at the border deal on Sunday. Kica Matos, president of the National Immigration Law Center, said the bill would lead to “more families separated, more children detained, and more people sent back to face persecution, torture, and even death.” “Instead of enacting draconian policies that create more chaos, we urge the White House and Senate Democrats to change course, reject this framework, and recommit to building an orderly, humane, and functioning immigration system,” she said in a statement. Sen. Alex Padilla (D-Calif.) said on Sunday he was opposed to the bill, comparing it to “failed Trump-era immigration policies.” Republicans who support this deal are urging their colleagues to back it, arguing there is no way they would get border restrictions even if Trump is elected president, given that Democrats are unlikely to cooperate with him without demanding legalization for undocumented immigrants as part of the process.
This is a unique moment,” Sinema said last month. “And I think we should take it.” The politics of the issue rapidly changed after Trump signaled his displeasure with a deal and as he appears primed to lock up the Republican presidential nomination. A faction of Lankford’s home-state Republican Party even voted to censure him for his role in the negotiations. “I’m an optimistic person, period,” Lankford said Thursday. “And that’s one of the reasons I’m still standing here after being hit in the face repetitively for a while.” Biden pledge to shut down border points to policy shortfalls Johnson and other Republicans opposed to the deal have incorrectly argued, even before the text was released, that the bill would let more migrants into the country. “We’ll no longer have people just entering the country, and maybe going to court in the next seven or ten years,” Sinema said Sunday on “Face the Nation” on CBS. “Instead, we’ll make swift justice. Folks who do qualify for asylum will be on a rapid path, six months or less, to start a new life in America. And those who do not qualify will quickly be returned to their home countries.”
Senate Republicans have said they want at least a few days to read the legislation before voting behind closed doors to see how much support the deal has in the conference. And some senators, including Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), have said it’s unrealistic to begin voting on the legislation this week. If fewer than 25 Republicans support it, its fate is dim. “I, for one, think it is a mistake to send this bill to the House without a majority of the Republican conference,” said Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.), a booster of the negotiations who has argued he believes the deal would help solve the border crisis.
If the legislation does pass the Senate, it faces just a tough road in the House, where many Republicans have already come out against the legislation. The opposition puts pressure on Johnson, who is trying to corral a fragile and small GOP majority while simultaneously fending off threats to his job. He told his colleagues in a letter over the weekend that failure to include him in Senate negotiations “has eliminated the ability for swift consideration” of the bill. Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.), the House majority leader, declared in a social media post on Sunday that the deal would not receive a vote in the House. Lankford responded to Johnson’s criticism on Sunday. “If the House wants to be able to take it up and amend it that is completely within the right of the House to be able to do that,” he said.“
Oh. The House could amend it. Gosh, that sounds like a worthwhile idea; why not try, Speaker Johnson?
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Post by dawnnikol on Feb 5, 2024 11:34:39 GMT
I’m not being dismissive. I just asked the question could she fill her venue and have the same popularity she has now without all the theatrics she has in her shows? The groups that you mentioned did fill their venues and did it with them just standing on a stage singing and playing their instruments. Well Mick Jagger did move around a lot. I think it’s a fair question that I have no idea what the answer is. She set more records last night and I'm guessing her brand new album will continue to set records. We were expecting Reputation (TV), but got a brand new album she's been working on for 2 years... Again, I say, Mastermind.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 5, 2024 11:46:35 GMT
You may not have been disparaging, but you were dismissive. The Beatles (Paul and George especially) don't have great voices, yet look how insanely popular they were and are. Mick Jagger isn't a great singer either. There are a lot of successful singers who really aren't great, or even that good. Being a popular or successful artist doesn't always have to do with actual singing. What Taylor Swift does is impressive, and I am not a Swifty by any stretch of the imagination. I’m not being dismissive. I just asked the question could she fill her venue and have the same popularity she has now without all the theatrics she has in her shows? The groups that you mentioned did fill their venues and did it with them just standing on a stage singing and playing their instruments. Well Mick Jagger did move around a lot. I think it’s a fair question that I have no idea what the answer is. Ummmm, that IS the point of a live show. The performance - theatrics and all. She’s already listed multiple successful & famous performers who are successful because of their performance skills ( yes skills those are skills ) I don’t see you questioning or nitpicking those artists she listed. Why? They are men. They are successful men. Check your implicit biases. No worries Taylor is used to it. There’s a song or 2 about it. Why do women just revert to tearing successful women down with petty bullshit, nit picking etc. this isn’t any better than all the men tearing Taylor down for the NFL TV cameras panning to her watching the games. Getting angry over something she has NO control over.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 5, 2024 16:22:25 GMT
Note the name Daines(R-MT) supporter of the big lie... Been at it a long time. Also 4th of July Russia visitor with Rand Paul.. and Daines posted a fake video of he and his wife in DC while they were in Russia.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2024 19:47:03 GMT
This…
Jake Sherman….
”WOAH -- in a new statement, @speakerjohnson, @stevescalise, @gopmajoritywhip and @elisestefanik have a new statement on the Senate supplemental. It reads, in part:
“Any consideration of this Senate bill in its current form is a waste of time. It is DEAD on arrival in the House. We encourage the U.S. Senate to reject it.”
Prompted this response….
Simon Rosenberg…
”Can we now start talking about the most consequential invasion of America today - Putin's invasion of MAGA and the GOP?”
“Republicans are now officially blocking a massive border security bill and doing everything they can to help Putin win.
Good luck selling that to the public.”
Keep in mind a large part of their job is to write legislation to resolve issues in this country. In the past Congress has done just that when it came to immigration, written legislation that waoukd address the issues that pop up about immigration. That is what the American Peoole pay them to do.
A response…
”Apparently, Republicans don't believe there is currently an emergency at the border. They do not want a solution to the problem. They want a campaign talking point.”
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 5, 2024 21:51:24 GMT
Instead of acknowledging they were wrong about the content of the bill, Republicans have doubled down on their lies www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/05/gops-false-amnesty-claims-give-away-game/ When Donald Trump and his allies set about falsely claiming that an impending Senate immigration deal would greenlight 5,000 undocumented immigrants per day, lead GOP negotiator Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.) predicted what would happen when the actual text of the deal was released and they were proved wrong.
“None of those folks are going to look at it and come to the press and apologize,” Lankford said last week. “They’ll find something different.”
The text of the bill was released Sunday night. It doesn’t support Trump allies’ claims. And not only are they not apologizing; they’ve ramped up the rhetoric in stunning ways, with some falsely labeling the bill “amnesty.”
And the counterfactual claims they made certainly bolster the argument, as Lankford and others have posited, that they would rather not pass anything in this election year, when the border crisis is bolstering Donald Trump’s 2024 hopes. “Amnesty” was the watchword Sunday night. It was invoked by scores of House Republicans and some GOP senators. Rep. Mary E. Miller (R-Ill.) said, “The Senate AMNESTY bill erases our borders.” Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) wagered that anyone who voted for the “open border amnesty bill must be paid off by foreign interests and is acting as a foreign agent.” Donald Trump Jr. used the a-word in four consecutive posts on X. Sign up for The Campaign Moment newsletter
The core of the argument is that the deal mandates a shutdown of the border once there is a daily average of 5,000 border apprehensions in one week. Trump, House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) and many others have suggested that this amounts to proactively allowing that number in. Some have extrapolated it to suggest that the bill greenlights 1.8 million people over the course of a year.
The almost instantaneous pushback from the congressional right Sunday night was a sight to behold. Despite Lankford’s helping to craft a bill that his Senate GOP allies have labeled a remarkably conservative one — one that is certainly more conservative than other recent immigration efforts, in that it includes no new protections for undocumented people already in the country — plenty of Republicans quickly served notice that they will go to great lengths to kill it.
House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-La.) invoked the 5,000 number late Sunday while saying flatly that the House won’t vote on the deal. He claimed it “accepts 5,000 illegal immigrants a day.”
This is false. That’s merely the point at which a very restrictive process kicks in (it would also kick in if crossings reach 8,500 in a single day). At that point, no new asylum claims from those apprehended would be considered, and anybody caught crossing the border would be removed.
The key here is that, under existing law, those apprehended right now must go through a process as long as they make it to U.S. soil. If they claim asylum, that must be considered. They can’t instantly be deported. And even under the current system, as Glenn Kessler reported in The Fact Checker, in the past six years, fewer than 15 in 100 people who claimed asylum were ultimately granted it, according to the Justice Department.
The bill also makes that asylum process quicker and more difficult. It raises the standard for those claiming that they face a “credible fear” of persecution in their home country and requires them to show they couldn’t simply move somewhere else. It aims to ensure that their cases are decided within months rather than the current average of years, in part by empowering U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to make decisions — rather than backlogged federal immigration courts. The word “amnesty” gets thrown around a lot by border hawks whenever there is a significant effort at immigration reform. But rarely has it been so overextended.
One could argue that the Senate bill doesn’t go far enough in cracking down on abuses of the asylum system. But that’s not really the argument being made; instead, the suggestion is that the bill would somehow actually be a boon to those who would cross the border.
The fact that the rhetoric so quickly went there after the release of the bill would seem to reinforce the idea that Republicans have buyer’s remorse about asking for changes to immigration law as part of a deal to send more money to Ukraine. They’ve spent years asking for a tightening of asylum rules, including in recent years during the Biden administration. But when it looked like Lankford and the Senate were about to actually produce that, the critics set about moving the goal posts. Suddenly, those new immigration laws weren’t really even needed — just a president with the will to enforce the existing laws. (Never mind that Trump himself asked for such changes during his own “crisis” as president.) Does Biden need a new law to ‘shut down the border’?
That highly expedient shift was telling, and the building push to label the bill amnesty is certainly of a piece.
Or as Lankford himself put it Monday morning: “The key aspect of this, again, is: Are we as Republicans going to have press conferences and complain the border is bad and then intentionally leave it open?”
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2024 22:04:51 GMT
Taylor Swift. In comparing her singing/voice to Marilyn McCoo and Barbra Streisand annoyed some. Words like dismissive & disparaging were used along with “why do women revert to tearing successful women down”.
What was ignored was while I think McCoo & Streisand have better voices than Tay I acknowledged the success she has had on and off the stage. I mean seriously do you think I would be against anyone who has pissed of the Republicans the way Tay has? Really?
Why I say she is not in the same category of singer as McCoo & Streisand is because, IMO, her voice does not have the same richness and depth these women have.
So I got annoyed and decided that I would find more singers who I think are as good as McCoo & Streisand. So I started listening to various women singers I’m familiar with. Here is what I found.
Are these singers in the same category as McCoo & Streisand?
Diana Ross - Nope Ann Wilson from Heart - Nope Grace Slick from Jefferson Starship - Nope Gloria Estefan - Nope Gladys Knight - Nope Aretha Franklin - Nope Annie Lennox from Eurythmics - Nope Mama Cass from the Mamas & The Papas - Nope Dionne Warwick - Nope Sheena Easton - Close Celine Dion- I thought she might but nope Judy Collins Singer Songwriter who wrote my favorite song “Send in the Clowns“ - Nope Roberta Flack I love “Killing me Softly with his Song” & “Will you Still Love me Tomorrow?” - Nope. Taylor Swift - Nope
Each of these woman were/are successful, they’ve had hit songs, some wrote the hit songs. Taylor Swift is in good company.
As good as they are, when you compare their voices to McCoo & Streisand it became clear to me these two women are extraordinary singers.
There is always going to be comparisons and there is always going to be someone better.
And in this case just because I think McCoo & Streisand have better voices than Tay doesn’t mean I’m being “disparaging “ or “dismissive “ or “attacking successful women”. That would only apply if I attacked every little thing she does.
Which I’m not. I appreciate what she has accomplished and I love the fact she is getting under the Republicans skin. Especially trump’s, he just can’t stand the idea someone is more popular than he is. Especially a woman.
That is enough about Taylor Swift.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 5, 2024 22:06:53 GMT
Republicans admit to prioritizing obstruction to prevent President Biden from having a win. They don't want to help Americans, if it means possibly helping President Biden win re-election. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/01/grassley-republicans-biden-border-deal/But Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) isn’t sure about the legislation. After all, he said on Wednesday, “passing a tax bill that makes the president look good — mailing out checks before the election — means he could be reelected, and then we won’t extend the 2017 tax cuts.”
Never mind that the mailing-out-checks thing is explicitly prohibited in the bill’s language. As for that explicit admission from Grassley that a (short-term!) benefit to low-income parents isn’t worth it if it might mean another four years of President Biden? That’s 15 years of Republican strategy, said out loud.
“I will not help the Democrats try to improve [Biden’s] dismal approval ratings,” Rep. Troy E. Nehls (R-Tex.) said to CNN, referring to immigration legislation. “I’m not going to do it. Why would I?”
Well, theoretically because your party is making immigration a central issue during the election because of the immediate risks it purportedly poses to the country. But, as with Grassley, this is simply a recognition, however tacit, that a big chunk of the GOP base is either fine with being politically obstructive or willing to vote for Republicans anyway.
The private, devious Republican effort to block Obama-Biden before 2012 is now often an open, explicit effort to block Biden-Harris.
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samantha25
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Post by samantha25 on Feb 5, 2024 22:12:39 GMT
Who is McCoo? and great that's your opinion on those singers. Not all would agree on your assessment.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 5, 2024 22:16:21 GMT
Republicans admit to prioritizing obstruction to prevent President Biden from having a win. They don't want to help Americans, if it means possibly helping President Biden win re-election. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/01/grassley-republicans-biden-border-deal/But Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) isn’t sure about the legislation. After all, he said on Wednesday, “passing a tax bill that makes the president look good — mailing out checks before the election — means he could be reelected, and then we won’t extend the 2017 tax cuts.”
Never mind that the mailing-out-checks thing is explicitly prohibited in the bill’s language. As for that explicit admission from Grassley that a (short-term!) benefit to low-income parents isn’t worth it if it might mean another four years of President Biden? That’s 15 years of Republican strategy, said out loud.
“I will not help the Democrats try to improve [Biden’s] dismal approval ratings,” Rep. Troy E. Nehls (R-Tex.) said to CNN, referring to immigration legislation. “I’m not going to do it. Why would I?”
Well, theoretically because your party is making immigration a central issue during the election because of the immediate risks it purportedly poses to the country. But, as with Grassley, this is simply a recognition, however tacit, that a big chunk of the GOP base is either fine with being politically obstructive or willing to vote for Republicans anyway.
The private, devious Republican effort to block Obama-Biden before 2012 is now often an open, explicit effort to block Biden-Harris.No different then when they yelled caravans are coming, see the caravans, which immediately disappeared after the elections.... Create havoc repeatedly!!
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2024 22:27:28 GMT
Who is McCoo? and great that's your opinion on those singers. Not all would agree on your assessment. You have no idea who Marilyn McCoo is? She was in the group called the 5th Dimension. You should listen to them sometime, they’re good. I’m well aware it’s my opinion. Having said that one can agree or disagree with one’s opinion without using words like “ disparaging”, “dismissive” and comments like “why do women revert to tearing successful woman down” when said opinion included support for the success she has accomplished both on and off the stage.
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samantha25
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Post by samantha25 on Feb 5, 2024 22:31:21 GMT
No idea and don't really classify Streisand as a known singer as you don't hear her songs on the radio
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 5, 2024 22:36:13 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2024 22:38:21 GMT
Here we go again. Let the American People decide. Drag this issue on for another year. Typical of the Republicans to kick the can down the road instead of doing what they were elected to do. Aaron Rupar…. On Fox News “On the topic of his opposition to the bipartisan border bill, Jim Jordan on Fox Business says Congress should "let the American people decide" in November” x.com/atrupar/status/1754614133712990412?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 5, 2024 22:39:23 GMT
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