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Post by morecowbell on Feb 20, 2024 21:09:56 GMT
Take Trump out of it and look at it logically... Your neighbor is accused of running over someone and leaving the scene and the so called victim says no, they were not even hit, but the judge says that your neighbor is guilty anyway. You are discussing how you think that your neighbor is not guilty. Do you think that means that you are defending hit and run? Because that's exactly what you are claiming of me. Got it. You don't believe in laws, just opinions. Since we're talking about the OPINION of whether or not I'm defending fraud, your response doesnt actually even make sense here.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 20, 2024 21:12:53 GMT
That’s not logical. What you’re missing from your analogy is that the driver actually did hit the victim. The victim is saying it’s no big deal, perhaps because he’s afraid of retaliation from the driver. But the hit and run still happened under our laws. No, he did NOT hit the guy, there IS no victim. The word "victim" was only used to convey who we were talking about. My anology is just fine and it's completely logical. So in other words, you’re still claiming the judge is wrong. That sounds productive. 🙄
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 20, 2024 21:39:54 GMT
And I don’t think executives at Deutshe Bank actually testified that it wasn’t fraud. No one said they did. Actually you did here, here and here
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 20, 2024 21:50:55 GMT
No, he did NOT hit the guy, there IS no victim. The word "victim" was only used to convey who we were talking about. My anology is just fine and it's completely logical. So in other words, you’re still claiming the judge is wrong. That sounds productive. 🙄 Sorry that you're bothered that I won't bend to your will.🙄
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 20, 2024 21:51:11 GMT
I did. I also posted an opinion piece about the column. The entire opinion not just three sentences like you did. This: ... does not negate this: NY Times: "He is not up for this. He is not the campaigner he was five years ago. A campaign has certain assets. But the most desirable asset is the candidate. The Biden campaign does not treat Biden like he is a desirable asset. Step one, unfortunately is convincing Biden that he should not run again." -Ezra Klein You just show Josh Marshall's opinion that he didn’t want Ezra Klein to say something that he, Josh Marshall doesn't agree with. It does nothing to negate it. Thanks for posting it. I assume you read it.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 20, 2024 22:01:49 GMT
No one said they did. Actually you did here, here and here The hell I did. The ONLY thing I said they testified to was that "the bank said that they enjoyed doing business with Trump and looked forward to doing more business with him". No where in what you quoted is there anything saying "they testified to" any of that.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 20, 2024 22:03:36 GMT
This: ... does not negate this: NY Times: "He is not up for this. He is not the campaigner he was five years ago. A campaign has certain assets. But the most desirable asset is the candidate. The Biden campaign does not treat Biden like he is a desirable asset. Step one, unfortunately is convincing Biden that he should not run again." -Ezra Klein You just show Josh Marshall's opinion that he didn’t want Ezra Klein to say something that he, Josh Marshall doesn't agree with. It does nothing to negate it. Thanks for posting it. I assume yiu read it. It just shows Josh Marshall's opinion that he didn’t want Ezra Klein to say something that he, Josh Marshall doesn't agree with. It does nothing to negate it.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 20, 2024 22:28:54 GMT
Thanks for posting it. I assume yiu read it. It just shows Josh Marshall's opinion that he didn’t want Ezra Klein to say something that he, Josh Marshall doesn't agree with. It does nothing to negate it. 😂😂😂😂😂 You are so darn entertaining in the way you twist yourself around to avoid acknowledging something. 😂
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 20, 2024 22:38:44 GMT
It just shows Josh Marshall's opinion that he didn’t want Ezra Klein to say something that he, Josh Marshall doesn't agree with. It does nothing to negate it. 😂😂😂😂😂 You are so darn entertaining in the way you twist yourself around to avoid acknowledging something. 😂 That's astonishingly rich coming from you.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 20, 2024 22:43:02 GMT
Actually you did here, here and here The hell I did. The ONLY thing I said they testified to was that "the bank said that they enjoyed doing business with Trump and looked forward to doing more business with him". No where in what you quoted is there anything saying "they testified to" any of that. OK, if Deutsche bank didn't testify that it was fraud, where did they say it was fraud?
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 20, 2024 22:47:43 GMT
😂😂😂😂😂 You are so darn entertaining in the way you twist yourself around to avoid acknowledging something. 😂 That's astonishingly rich coming from you. 😂
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 20, 2024 23:10:22 GMT
Only 1 candidate is standing with our allies and standing up against Putin
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 20, 2024 23:24:16 GMT
Seems like a good approach for the Biden administration. Reminds me of the Lincoln Project paying for ads on Fox with a target audience of 1. They knew if they riled Trump up, he would sound crazy and it would keep him off his game. I know there's merit to the idea to not give Trump any more attention or air time, but that seems unrealistic. So maybe George Conway is right - show everybody the crazy. newrepublic.com/post/176153/make-trump-go-crazy-according-george-conwayEdith Olmsted, Ella Sherman / October 11, 2023/12:46 p.m. ET How to Make Trump Go “Crazy,” According to George Conway The Never Trump lawyer says the Democrats need to wage “psychological warfare” on the former president, and he has an idea how to do it.
Former Republican George Conway said Democrats need to wage a “psychological war” against Donald Trump until it makes him so “crazy” that he violates court orders.
“I think you have to wage psychological war on Donald Trump,” Conway, a lawyer and Never Trump activist, said during a panel discussion at The New Republic’s Stop Trump Summit on Wednesday. “I don’t think the Democrats have ever attacked Trump enough.”
In an interview afterward with TNR, Conway explained that Democrats could wage a coordinated psychological campaign against Trump through a series of advertisements. “You can just run ads on TV in the local area where he is,” said Conway, whom Trump had once considered nominating for solicitor general.
Conway said that the ads could target the things Trump feels the most insecure about. “He knows he’s not that smart, he knows he’s not that rich, he knows that he’s not that good. And so, if you go and attack him for the things he knows he is not deep down, it makes him crazy.”
“He’s not that far from his bursting point,” Conway added. And making Trump nuts could impact ongoing his legal troubles.
“The more he gets attacked the more he will talk about things he shouldn’t be talking about,” Conway said. “I think you could even get him thrown into jail, by running the right ad,” he added.
Trump was slapped with a gag order in his New York trial after he made comments attacking New York Attorney General Letitia James, who has accused him and his associates of fraudulently inflating the value of their real estate assets. In the Georgia case, the conditions of his release on bail bar him from intimidating witnesses and co-defendants.
“You run ads that make him angry at those people, like [Mark] Meadows,” said Conway, referring to the former top Trump aide and co-defendant in the Georgia trial. “You run these creepy ads that get into his head, he’ll just go out there and he’ll violate his conditions of release.”
Conway went on to say that beating Trump requires the media to show America who Trump is. “I disagree with some of the critiques that you hear, I think predominantly from the left, about ‘You don’t give him oxygen; you don’t give him air time.’ No. You give him more. Show everybody the crazy.”
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 20, 2024 23:34:21 GMT
In addition to his daughter-in -law, Trump endorsed a candidate for the RNC who was suspended as a Fox analyst after he told a Black guest he was “out of his cotton-picking mind.” For so many reasons, Trump is not fit for office.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 21, 2024 1:31:23 GMT
Great perspective and comparison
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 21, 2024 1:38:25 GMT
NY Times columnist Ezra Klein calls on biden to step down.
"I think Biden, as painful as this is, should find his way to stepping down as a hero. That the party should help him find his way to that, to being the thing he said he would be in 2020, the bridge to the next generation of Democrats.
And then I think Democrats should meet in August at the convention to do what political parties have done at conventions so many times before, organize victory."
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 21, 2024 1:57:46 GMT
NY Times columnist Ezra Klein calls on biden to step down. "I think Biden, as painful as this is, should find his way to stepping down as a hero. That the party should help him find his way to that, to being the thing he said he would be in 2020, the bridge to the next generation of Democrats. And then I think Democrats should meet in August at the convention to do what political parties have done at conventions so many times before, organize victory." You were called out earlier today for cherry picking on this thread. For someone who proclaims to care a lot about context, you leave a lot out. You left out pages of high praise for Biden. And the important distinction that Ezra Klein makes between campaigning and the actual job of the president. www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/opinion/ezra-klein-biden-audio-essay.htmlA full transcript of this audio essay is available here:
Ezra Klein: My heart breaks a bit for Joe Biden. This is a man who has been running for president since he was young. He wins the presidency, finally, unexpectedly, when he’s old. And that age brought him wisdom. It brought an openness that hadn’t always been there in him. He’s governed as a throwback to a time before “I alone can fix it,” a time when presidents were party leaders, coalition builders.
Biden has held together a Democratic Party that could easily have splintered. Think back to the 2020 campaign, when he beat Bernie Sanders, when he beat Elizabeth Warren, when his victory was seen as, was in reality, the moderate wing triumphing over the progressive wing, the establishment over the insurgents.
But instead of making them bend the knee, instead of acting as a victor, Biden acted as a leader. He partnered with Bernie Sanders. He built the unity task forces. He integrated Warren’s and Sanders’s ideas and staff into not just his campaign but also his administration.
I had a conversation recently with Pramila Jayapal, the chair of the House progressive caucus, and I asked her why the Democratic Party hadn’t ruptured the way Republicans did. She pointed me back to that moment. Biden, she said, made this “huge attempt to pull the Democratic Party back together before the 2020 election in a way I’ve really never seen before.”
And it worked. Democrats had 50 votes in the Senate. Fifty votes that stretched from Bernie Sanders on the left all the way to Joe Manchin on the right. Biden and Chuck Schumer, they often could not lose even one of those votes, and at crucial moments, they didn’t.
With that almost-impossible-to-hold-together coalition, the Biden administration and congressional Democrats passed a series of bills — the bipartisan infrastructure deal, the Inflation Reduction Act, the CHIPS and Science Act — that will make this a decade of infrastructure and invention. A decade of building, of decarbonizing, of researching. They expanded the Affordable Care Act, and it worked — more than 21 million people signed up for the A.C.A. last year, a record. They did what Democrats have promised to do forever and took at least the first steps toward letting Medicare negotiate drug prices.
And the Biden team, they said they were going to run the economy hot, that at long last, they were going to prioritize full employment, and they did. And then inflation shot up. Not just here but in Europe, in Canada, pretty much everywhere. The pandemic had twisted global supply chains and then the economy had reopened, and people desperate to live again took their pandemic savings and spent. And the Biden team, in partnership with Jerome Powell and the Federal Reserve, got the rate of inflation back down, and we are still beneath 4 percent unemployment.
And I don’t want to just skip over that accomplishment. Most economists said that could not be done. The overwhelming consensus was we were headed for a recession, that the so-called soft landing was a fantasy. It got mocked as “immaculate disinflation.” But that is what happened. We didn’t have a recession. We are still seeing strong wage gains for the poorest Americans. Inequality is down. Growth is quick. America is far stronger economically right now than Europe, than Canada, than China. You want to be us.
And yet Biden’s poll numbers are dismal. His approval rating lingers in the high 30s. Most polls show him losing to Donald Trump in 2024. Then comes the special counsel report, which finds no criminal wrongdoing in his treatment of classified information, which is — remember — the question the special counsel was appointed to investigate. But the counsel takes a drive-by on Biden’s cognitive fitness. Says a jury would think him a “well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory.” Says Biden doesn’t remember when his son Beau died.
And Biden, enraged, does what people have been asking him to do this whole time. He takes the age issue head on. And he gives a news conference full of fury.
And then, when he is about to leave, he comes back to take one more question — this one on Israel and Gaza, where he says that America is no longer lock step behind Benjamin Netanyahu’s invasion, and then describing the effort he put in getting President Sisi to open the Egyptian border for aid, he slips. He calls Sisi the president of Mexico. Makes the kind of slip anyone can make, but a kind of slip he is making too often now, a kind of slip that means more when he makes it than when someone else does.
Since the beginning of Biden’s administration, I have been asking people who work with him: How does he seem? How read in is he? What’s he like in the meetings? Maybe it’s not a great sign that I felt the need to do that, that a lot of reporters have been doing that, but still. And I am convinced, watching him, listening to the testimony of those who meet with him — not all people who like him — I am convinced he is able to do the job of the presidency. He is sharp in meetings; he makes sound judgments. I cannot point you to a moment where Biden faltered in his presidency because his age had slowed him.
But here’s the thing. I can now point you to moments when he is faltering in his campaign for the presidency because his age is slowing him. This distinction between the job of the presidency and the job of running for the presidency keeps getting muddied, including by Biden himself.
This is the question Democrats keep wanting to answer, the question the Biden administration keeps pretending only to hear: Can Biden do the job of president? But that is not the question of the 2024 campaign. The insistence that Biden is capable of being president is being used to shut down discussion of whether he’s capable of running for president.
I’ve had my own journey on this. I’ve written a number of columns about how Biden keeps proving pundits wrong, about how he’s proved me wrong. He won in 2020 despite plenty of naysayers. The Democrats won in 2022, defying predictions. I had, in 2022, been planning to write a column after the midterms saying there should be a primary because Democrats need to see how strong of a campaigner Biden still was. The test needed to be run. But when they overperformed, that drained all interest among the major possible candidates in running. That test wasn’t going to happen. But still, I thought, Biden might surprise again. I’d grown wary of underestimating him.
We had to wait till this year — till now, really — to see Biden even begin to show what he’d be like on the campaign trail. And what I think we’re seeing is that he is not up for this. He is not the campaigner he was, even five years ago. That’s not insider reporting on my part. Go watch a speech he gave in Pennsylvania, kicking off his campaign in 2019. And then go watch the speech he gave last month, in Valley Forge, kicking off his election campaign. No comparison here. Both speeches are on YouTube, and you can see it. The way he moves, the energy in his voice. The Democrats denying decline are only fooling themselves.
But even given that, I was stunned when his team declined a Super Bowl interview. Biden is not up by 12 points. He can’t coast to victory here. He is losing. He is behind in most polls. He is behind, despite everything people already know about Donald Trump. He needs to make up ground. If he does not make up ground, Trump wins.
The Super Bowl is one of the biggest audiences you will ever have. And you just skip it? You just say no?
The Biden team’s argument, to be fair, is this: Who wants to see the president during the Super Bowl, anyway? And even if they did the interview, CBS would just choose three or four minutes of a 15-minute interview to air. What if CBS chooses a clip that makes Biden look bad?
That’s all true. But that’s all true in the context of a team that does not believe that the more people see Biden, the more they will like him. There’s a reason other presidents do the Super Bowl interview. There’s a reason Biden himself did it in 2021 and 2022, that Trump said he’d gladly take Biden’s place this year.
I was talking to James Carville, who’s one of the chief strategists behind Bill Clinton’s 1992 campaign, and he put this really well to me. He said to me that a campaign has certain assets, but the most desirable asset is the candidate. And the Biden campaign does not deploy Biden like he is a desirable asset.
Biden has done fewer interviews than any recent president, and it’s not close. By this point in their presidencies, Barack Obama had given more than 400 interviews and Trump had given more than 300. Biden has given fewer than 100. And a bunch of them are softball interviews — he’ll go on Conan O’Brien’s podcast, or Jay Shetty’s mindfulness podcast. The Biden team says this is a strategy, that they need apolitical voters, the ones who are not listening to political media. But one, this strategy isn’t working — Biden is down, not up. And two, no one really buys this argument. I don’t buy this argument. This isn’t a strategy chosen from a full universe of options. This is a strategic adaptation to Biden’s perceived limits as a candidate. And what’s worse, it may be a wise one.
I want to say this clearly: I like Biden. I think he’s been a good president. I think he is a good president. I don’t like having this conversation. And I know a lot of liberals, a lot of Democrats are going to be furious at me for this show.
But to say this is a media invention, that people are worried about Biden’s age because the media keeps telling them to be worried about Biden’s age? If you have really convinced yourself of that, in your heart of hearts, I almost don’t know what to tell you. In poll after poll, 70 percent to 80 percent of voters are worried about his age. This is not a thing people need the media to see. It is right in front of them, and it is also shaping how Biden and his campaign are acting.
Democrats keep telling themselves, when they look at the polls, that voters will come back to Biden when the campaign starts in earnest and they begin seeing more of Trump, when they have to take what he is and what it would mean for him to return seriously.
But that is going to go both ways. When the campaign begins in earnest, they will also see much more of Joe Biden. People who barely pay attention to him now, they will be watching his speeches. They will see him on the news constantly. Will they actually like what they see? Will it comfort them?
That was why that news conference mattered. That news conference had a point. It had a purpose. The purpose was to reassure voters of Biden’s cognitive fitness, particularly his memory. And Biden couldn’t do that, not for one night, not for fewer than 15 minutes. And these kinds of gaffes have become commonplace for him. He recently said he’d been speaking to the former French president Francois Mitterrand when he meant Emmanuel Macron. He said he’d been talking to the former German chancellor Helmut Kohl when he meant Angela Merkel.
None of these matter much on their own. The human mind just does this. But it does it more as you get older. And they do matter collectively. Voters believe Biden is too old for the job he seeks. He needs to persuade them otherwise, and he is failing at that task — arguably the central task of his re-election campaign.
And that can become a self-fulfilling cycle. His staff knows that news conference was a disaster. So how will they respond? What will they do now? They will hold him back from aggressive campaigning even more, from unscripted situations. They will try to make doubly sure that it doesn’t happen again. But they need a candidate — Democrats need a candidate — who can aggressively campaign, because again — and I cannot emphasize this enough — they are currently losing.
Part of my job is talking to the kinds of Democrats who run and win campaigns constantly. All of them are worried about this. None of them say that this is an invention or not a real issue. And this is key: It’s not the age itself they are worried about. The age of 81 doesn’t mean anything. It’s the impression Biden is giving of age. Of slowness. Of frailty.
The presidency is a performance. You are not just making decisions, you are also acting out the things people want to believe about their president — that the president is in command, strong, energetic, compassionate, thoughtful, that they don’t need to worry about all that is happening in the world, because the president has it all under control.
Whether it is true that Biden has it all under control, it is not true that he seems like he does. Some political strategists I know think that’s why his poll numbers are low. That even when good things happen, people don’t really think he did them. One was telling me that what worries him most about Biden is how stable his approval rating is — it doesn’t really go up or down. Inflation has gone down a lot in recent months. People feel a lot better about the economy. You can see that in consumer sentiment data. But Biden’s approval rating, it has not gone up. His performance on Ukraine did not make it go up. The passage of the Inflation Reduction Act and the CHIPS Act did not make it go up. To this strategist, it looked like a lot of Americans just don’t give Biden credit for things even when he deserves them. And Biden isn’t now a capable or aggressive enough campaigner to win that credit for himself.
The arguments I see even some smart Democrats making so they don’t have to look at this directly are self-defeating. The one I hear most often is that Trump is also old. He’s 77. He also mixes up names — he recently called Nancy Pelosi Nikki Haley. He sometimes speaks in gibberish. And it’s all true. But that is a reason to nominate a candidate who can exploit the fact that Trump is old and confused. The point is not to give Trump an even match. The point is to beat Trump.
Another argument I see is that this is ageism. This is an unfair thing to point out about Biden. It is age discrimination and, I have actually seen people make this argument, age discrimination is illegal in the workplace. But it is not illegal in the electorate. If the voters are ageist and Biden loses because of it, there is no recourse. You cannot sue the voters for age discrimination.
And then there’s the argument you’ve heard on my podcast. An argument I’ve made before. Biden doesn’t look like a strong candidate, but Democrats keep on winning. Biden won in 2020. Democrats won in 2022. They’ve been winning special elections in 2023. They just won George Santos’s seat in New York. There’s an anti-MAGA majority in this country and they will come out to stop Trump. And I think that might be true. I still think Biden might win against Trump, even with all I’ve said. It’s just that there’s a very good chance he might lose. Maybe even better than even odds. And Trump is dangerous. I want better odds than that.
I think one reason Democrats react so defensively to critiques of Biden is they’ve come to a kind of fatalism. They believe it is too late to do anything else. And if it is too late to do anything else, then to talk about Biden’s age is to contribute to Donald Trump’s victory.
But that’s absurd.
It is February. Fatalism this far before the election is ridiculous. Yeah, it’s too late to throw this to primaries. But it’s not too late to do something.
So then what? Step one, unfortunately, is convincing Biden that he should not run again. That he does not want to risk being Ruth Bader Ginsburg — a heroic, brilliant public servant who caused the outcome she feared most because she didn’t retire early enough. That in stepping aside he would be able to finish out his term as a strong and focused president, and people would see the honor in what he did, in putting his country over his ambitions.
The people whom Biden listens to — Barack Obama, Chuck Schumer, Mike Donilon, Ron Klain, Nancy Pelosi, Anita Dunn — they need to get him to see this. Biden may come to see it himself.
I take nothing away from how hard that is, how much Biden wants to finish the job he has started, keep doing the good he believes he can do. Retirement can be, often is, a trauma. But losing to Donald Trump would be far worse.
Let’s say that happens: Biden steps aside. Then what? Well, then Democrats do something that used to be common in politics but hasn’t been in decades. They pick their nominee at the convention. This is how parties chose their nominees for most of American history. From roughly 1831 to 1968, this is how it worked. In a way, this is still how it works.
I’m going to do a whole episode on how an open convention works, so this is going to be a quick version. The way we pick nominees now is still built around conventions. When someone wins a primary or a caucus, what he actually wins is delegate slots. How that works is different in different states. Then they go to the convention to choose the actual nominee.
The whole convention structure is still there. We still use it. It is still the delegates voting at the convention. What’s different now than in the past is that most delegates arrive at the convention committed to a candidate. But without getting too into the weeds of state delegate rules here, if their candidate drops out, if Biden drops out, they can be released to vote for who they want.
The last open convention Democrats had was 1968, a disaster of a convention where the Democratic Party split between pro- and anti-Vietnam War factions, where there was violence in the streets, where Democrats lost the election.
But that’s not how most conventions have gone. It was a convention that picked Abraham Lincoln over William Seward. It was a convention that chose F.D.R. over Al Smith. I’ve been reading Ed Achorn’s book “The Lincoln Miracle: Inside the Republican Convention That Changed History.” My favorite line in it comes from Senator Charles Sumner, who sends a welcome note to the delegates, “whose duty it will be to organize victory.”
Whose duty it will be to organize victory — I love that. That’s what a convention is supposed to do. It’s what a political party is supposed to do: organize victory. Because victory doesn’t just happen. It has to be organized.
Everybody I have talked about this, literally everybody, has brought up the same fear. Call it the Kamala Harris problem. In theory, she should be the favorite. But she polls slightly worse than Biden. Democrats don’t trust that she would be a stronger candidate. But they worry that if she wasn’t chosen it would rip the party apart. I think this is wrong on two levels.
First, I think Harris is underrated now. I’ve thought this for a while. I’ve said this before, that I think she’s going to have a good 2024. Is she a political juggernaut, a generational political talent? Probably not. But she’s a capable politician, which is one reason Biden chose her as his running mate in the first place. She has not thrived as vice president. The D.C. narrative on her has turned extremely negative. But when Kamala Harris ran campaigns as Kamala Harris, this wasn’t how she was seen. And Harris, in private settings — she’s enormously magnetic and compelling.
Her challenge would be translating that into a public persona, which is — and let’s be blunt about this — a hard thing to do when you’ve grown up in a world that has always been quick to find your faults. A world that is afraid of women being angry, of Black people being angry. A world where, for most of your life, it was demanded of you that you be cautious and careful and measured and never make a mistake. And then you get on the public stage and people say, oh, you’re too cautious and too careful and too measured. It’s a very, very, very hard bind to get out of. But maybe she can do it.
Still, it is the party’s job to organize victory. If Harris cannot convince delegates that she has the best shot at victory, she should not and probably would not be chosen. And I don’t think that would rip the party apart. There is a ton of talent in the Democratic Party right now: Gretchen Whitmer, Wes Moore, Jared Polis, Gavin Newsom, Raphael Warnock, Josh Shapiro, Cory Booker, Ro Khanna, Pete Buttigieg, Gina Raimondo, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Chris Murphy, Andy Beshear, J.B. Pritzker — the list goes on.
Some of them would make a run at the nomination. They would give speeches at the convention, and people would actually pay attention. The whole country would be watching the Democratic convention, and probably quite a bit happening in the run-up to it, and seeing what this murderer’s row of political talent could actually do. And then some ticket would be chosen based on how those people did.
Could it go badly? Sure. But that doesn’t mean it will go badly. It could make the Democrats into the most exciting political show on earth. And over there on the other side will be Trump getting nominated and a who’s who of MAGA types slavering over his leadership. The best of the Democratic Party against the worst of the Republican Party. A party that actually listened to the voters against a party that denies the outcome of the elections. A party that did something different over a party that has again nominated a threat to democracy who has never — not once — won the popular vote in a general election.
That seems like an OK contrast to me.
Yes, the Democratic Party has been winning elections recently. But it is winning those elections in part because it takes candidate recruitment seriously. That was true in 2020. Biden wasn’t the candidate that set the base’s heart aflutter, but he seemed like the candidate with the best shot at winning. So Democrats did the strategic thing and picked him. And they won. In 2022, Democrats carefully chose candidates who fit their districts, who fit their states while Republicans chose MAGA-soaked extremists. And that is why those Democrats won.
The lesson here is not that Democrats don’t need to think hard about who they run in elections. It’s that they do need to think hard about who they run in elections. And they have been. They need to be strategic, not sentimental. And they have been. Because the alternative is Donald Trump. And Donald Trump is dangerous. And right now, Donald Trump is ahead.
I have this nightmare that Trump wins in 2024. And then in 2025 and 2026, out come the campaign tell-all books, and they’re full of emails and WhatsApp messages between Biden staffers and Democratic leaders, where they’re all saying to each other, this is a disaster, he’s not going to win this, I can’t bear to watch this speech, we’re going to lose. But they didn’t say any of it publicly, they didn’t do anything, because it was too dangerous for their careers, or too uncomfortable given their loyalty to Biden.
I’ve said on the show before that we live in a strange era with the parties. We’ve gone from the cliché being that Democrats fall in love and Republicans fall in line, to the reality being that Democrats fall in line and Republicans fall apart. I’ve mostly meant that as a critique of Republican chaos, but too much order can be its own kind of pathology. A party that is too quick to fall in line, that cannot break line, is a party that will be too slow, maybe unable, to solve hard problems.
So yes, I think Biden, as painful as this is, should find his way to stepping down as a hero. That the party should help him find his way to that, to being the thing he said he would be in 2020, the bridge to the next generation of Democrats. And then I think Democrats should meet in August at the convention to do what political parties have done there before: organize victory.
I recognize there’s going to be a lot of questions and comments and pushback to this piece. So we’re going to do an “Ask Me Anything” episode next week — on this, on 2024 broadly. We’ve set up a voice mail box, if you want to leave a message that could get played on the show. Please keep them under a minute. We’re not going to use ones that are very long. The number for that is 212-556-7300. Or you can email us, both text and a voice note, at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 21, 2024 2:09:47 GMT
Biden tripped UP the stairs AGAIN today.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 21, 2024 2:29:25 GMT
From the NY Times: A.G. Salzburger He is a historically unpopular incumbent and the oldest man to ever hold this office. We've reported on both of those realities extensively, and the Whitehouse has been extremely upset about it.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 21, 2024 2:47:45 GMT
Again, you are cherry picking and left out important details and context, including criticism of the Times coverage. www.politico.com/news/2024/02/19/nyt-white-house-upset-biden-age-coverage-00142098The New York Times Publisher A.G. Sulzberger said Monday that the White House is “extremely upset” about its coverage on President Joe Biden’s age but the newspaper will “continue to report fully and fairly.”
“We are going to continue to report fully and fairly, not just on Donald Trump but also on President Joe Biden,” Sulzberger said in an interview with The Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism.
“He is a historically unpopular incumbent and the oldest man to ever hold this office. We’ve reported on both of those realities extensively, and the White House has been extremely upset about it.”
Criticism over coverage of Biden’s low approval ratings and, more especially, Biden’s age has sparked disapproval both from the Biden campaign and some members of the press. News stories of Biden’s age gained even more traction among the press as special counsel Robert Hur wrote in his recent report, entirely without prompting, that Biden was “an elderly man with a poor memory.”
Last week, former New York Times public editor Margaret Sullivan said she found the coverage of this news, specifically in her old Times haunt, completely overcooked.
Sullivan wrote that she wishes that Sulzberger would instruct his opinion editor and the top news editor to cease “going overboard with both coverage and commentary about Biden’s age” and “tone it down.”
“We are not saying that this is the same as Trump’s five court cases or that they are even,” Sulzberger said in the interview. “They are different. But they are both true, and the public needs to know both those things. And if you are hyping up one side or downplaying the other, no side has a reason to trust you in the long run.”
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 21, 2024 2:54:34 GMT
Biden tripped UP the stairs AGAIN today. If you want to see how many people, regardless of their age, trip on stairs, going up or down. Then watch America’s Funniest Videoa. There are a lot.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 21, 2024 2:54:50 GMT
I think Biden has really been underestimated and my hope is that in the State of the Union address and other events, we will see more of the President Biden who delivered the inspiring speech recently in Valley Forge and really knocked it out of the park. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/20/trump-biden-polling-elelction/There’s an obvious reason Biden isn’t dropping out of a tied race Analysis by Philip Bump National columnist February 20, 2024 at 5:45 p.m. EST Politicians are unquestionably risk-averse. Throughout their careers, they learn certain lessons about electoral politics that are hard to unlearn. This is enormously useful to campaign consultants who can sell candidates on pricey, not-terribly-useful plans of action if similar plans of action have gotten their clients elected in the past. What unwashed socks are to an outfielder on a hitting streak, a certain TV spot might be to a person running for Congress. Cut through the 2024 election noise. Get The Campaign Moment newsletter.
Over the past two presidential elections, the winning candidates learned lessons that it seems fair to assume might have colored the way they look at politics. The lesson Donald Trump might have taken away from 2016 is that his assessment that polling was undercounting his support was correct. Joe Biden might have extracted a similar lesson four years later, after a surprisingly poor performance in the first few nominating contests: The result that matters is the one in November.
It’s useful to remember 2020 when considering Biden’s path toward his reelection bid this year. Then, he and his staff took a very even-keeled approach to the nomination and the general election, watching allies and supporters get spun up into a sense of crisis while they simply pressed forward. To some extent, Biden’s team got lucky in the way any candidate might, but either way, the approach worked. Biden won.
So you can understand why Biden’s team might similarly be waiting out this moment of consternation among his allies and other observers. The report on his possession of classified documents from special counsel Robert Hur triggered a new round of analysis about Biden’s age and how perceptions of his age would affect the general election and so on. There has been no shortage of musing about how, hey, maybe Biden could just step aside? Maybe the Democrats could just pretend that the past 10 months or so didn’t happen and start some truncated sort of delegate-assigning process right now with a new slate of candidates? Maybe this could be Trump-vs.-Someone-Else after all?
Prompting the expected response from Biden’s team: no real response at all. Yes, you get the inside-baseball stories about how the State of the Union address will be a reset, but there’s no sign Biden won’t be the Democrat on the ballot in November. Just like Biden kept his head down until the South Carolina primary in 2020 and so on.
This is not as wildly deluded an approach as some seem to think.
First of all, the race remains close. Yes, four years ago, Biden consistently led in national polling at this point and, yes, Democrats needed to win the national vote by a healthy margin to keep the electoral college close in 2016 and 2020. That’s all true. But it is not the case that Biden is obviously losing any of the states he won in 2020. In part, this is because there aren’t a lot of polls yet and, in part, this is because polling this far out isn’t that useful.
Consider polling from March of each presidential year since 1968. Or, to be more accurate, let’s consider the polling averages compiled by 538, a useful assessment of the state of polling in each of those contests. In some cases, we have state-level averages; in some, we don’t. But if we look at the average March two-party margin in states (that is, the difference in support for the Republican and Democrat) and compare it with the actual margin in November, we see that, across about 300 data points, the average difference is seven percentage points. Yes, there’s correlation: States that Republicans win tend to have the Republican up in March. But that’s still a big difference.
That’s the average since 1968. If we look at each year, you can see that the results jump around — and that years with strong independent or third-party candidates tend to see bigger differences.
Polls aren’t designed to predict the results of a contest nine months in the future. They’re not even designed to predict the results of a close contest the next day. People are often far too willing to assume that a poll showing a candidate up by two points was “wrong” if the candidate loses by one point — as though the pollsters didn’t tell people about the margin of error.
Let’s assume, though, that recent polling showing Trump up a point or two nationally is broken-clock-twice-a-day-style exactly predictive of where the race would be in November if nothing else changed. The thing about that is … things will change!
The race isn’t actually set. That’s not to say that Nikki Haley will be the Republican nominee instead of Trump; despite the Haley campaign’s insistence that she might be — and some of the media’s willingness to entertain that idea for the sake of keeping people interested — it will take something other than standard campaign machinations for that to occur. Instead, saying the race isn’t set means that Americans aren’t tuned into the idea that Trump and Biden will once again be facing off in November and/or aren’t paying attention to the race just yet. Democrats’ negative views of Trump have softened in recent months. Will that still be the case after five months of relentless campaign ads?
What’s more, voters’ decisions are historically influenced by things that, in 2024, haven’t yet happened. Research presented in 2012 showed that the presidential popular vote margin was influenced most heavily by income growth in the second quarter of the election year — that is, the quarter that won’t begin until April 1.
Things can also get worse for Biden, of course. Whether some manifestation of his age is one of those things, though, is hard to say. Perceptions of Biden’s age are heavily baked into the state of the race at the moment. It might be the case that there are people who might be persuaded not to vote for Biden by some seemingly age-related mistake between now and November, but it seems fair to assume that a lot of those who express concern about his age aren’t likely to change their vote anyway. Particularly since this year, like 2020, is shaping up to be a referendum not on Biden but on Trump.
Now take all of this and overlay the lesson that Biden’s team might have learned in 2020: storms pass. Does that seem like a recipe for Biden to decide now, this late, not to run?
Biden may well lose in November. This learned, perhaps performative sanguinity may not pay off the way it did four years ago. But it seems about as fair to think it might as to assume that it won’t. And that, in a nutshell, is why there’s little reason to think that Biden won’t be the Democratic nominee.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 21, 2024 2:55:31 GMT
Recent NBC poll
76% of voters say they have (I do believe it's up to 86% now in another) major (62%) or moderate (14%) concerns about Biden lacking the necessary mental and physical health to be president for a second term.
Perhaps most worrisomely for the president, 81% of independents and 54% of Democrats say they have major or moderate concerns about Biden’s fitness for a second term.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 21, 2024 2:56:57 GMT
Biden tripped UP the stairs AGAIN today. If you want to see how many people, regardless of their age, trip on stairs, going up or down. Then watch America’s Funniest Videoa. There are a lot. He didn't used to. Now he does.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 21, 2024 3:06:49 GMT
Recent NBC poll 76% of voters say they have (I do believe it's up to 86% now in another) major (62%) or moderate (14%) concerns about Biden lacking the necessary mental and physical health to be president for a second term. Perhaps most worrisomely for the president, 81% of independents and 54% of Democrats say they have major or moderate concerns about Biden’s fitness for a second term. Since you're apparently recycling previous posts and still not including full context, here are the NBC poll questions and my response (again) I'm not sure if you're accurately describing the poll or if we're just looking at it differently. Here's a recent poll that I found with the exact question. President Biden is 81 (a fact that the media is constantly reminding us) I think almost everyone could agree that because of his age, there are some risks to his physical and mental health. Add to that, the presidency is a highly stressful job. Here's my answer and I imagine a lot of others would agree. I would probably answer the poll with either major or moderate concerns. However, those concerns will not change my vote. I will not hesitate to vote for Joe Biden because I think he is the most qualified candidate. I trust the people around President Biden and none of them are saying he is not capable of performing the functions of his job. Biden meets with politicians on both sides of the aisle, world leaders etc and none of them are commenting negatively about Biden's ability to perform his job. In comparison, a lot of Trump's advisors have come out and said Trump is not qualified, not fit or should never hold office again. Seems like a pretty easy choice. And just to repeat, I don't put a lot of stock in polls 9 months out. Even closer to elections, they're not always accurate. Just look at the red wave that was predicted and never happened in 2022. I think the results of the elections in 2018, 2020, 2022 and the special election in NY are probably a better predictor of November. So you can keep repeating the results of the NBC poll, but 9 months out, but I'm not too worried. There's a lot that could happen between now and November. Haley just announced that she's not dropping out anytime soon. As long as she is in the race, she can chip away at Trump. Trump will have to contend with her, Biden and all of his legal battles. Trump is unravelling and more convictions for him will turn away more moderate and Independent voters. www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/bidens-age-fitness-top-list-voters-concerns-poll-finds-rcna137212Does each statement give you major concerns, moderate concerns, minor concerns, or no real concerns about that candidate? At 81 years old, Joe Biden not having the necessary mental and physical health to be president for a second term The choices were major concerns, moderate concerns, minor concerns and no concerns.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 21, 2024 3:13:27 GMT
I agree with her - I think this is classic Trump. He's projecting. But, who fed him the line about a Manchurian candidate? The words have too many syllables, he didn't come up with that on his own.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 21, 2024 3:15:00 GMT
The Trump campaign spent more than that on Trump's legal bills last year. His 2024 legal bills will probably be significantly more.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 21, 2024 3:21:47 GMT
Recent NBC poll 76% of voters say they have (I do believe it's up to 86% now in another) major (62%) or moderate (14%) concerns about Biden lacking the necessary mental and physical health to be president for a second term. Perhaps most worrisomely for the president, 81% of independents and 54% of Democrats say they have major or moderate concerns about Biden’s fitness for a second term. Not a single conversation YOU are having here is being made in "good faith", if all you can post on a thread about BIDEN’S COGNITIVE DECLINE is rapid fire -but, but, but Republicans/Trump.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 21, 2024 3:22:02 GMT
A compelling letter persuading Nikki Haley to endorse Biden www.meidastouch.com/news/dear-nikki-haley-a-letter-from-a-former-republicanDear Nikki Haley, A Letter From a Former Republican The case for you to endorse Biden this Fall. Ron Filipkowski6 hours ago I was a member of the Republican Party from the time I was an 18 year-old Marine stationed at Camp Pendleton. I grew up in the Party. Worked on dozens and dozens of campaigns. Oddly enough, my first campaign was against Joe Biden - at least for a little while, when he was in the 1988 Democratic Presidential Primary. I am sure that we share many of the same values and ideas, although we disagree on quite a bit as well. But that's ok, we're Americans. I was an appointee of Ron Desantis when I made the decision to openly support Joe Biden. I understood what that meant for me personally, but I knew it was the right and principled thing to do.
In 2020, I faced a hard choice. I never voted for Trump - in 2016 I voted 'None of the Above' for president. Maybe like you, although I didn't like Trump or share his values, I believed that the Republican establishment would reign him in and harness his darker impulses. As we have heard from insiders who have spoken out about their time in the Trump White House, there were plenty of those. Those attempts at containment went on right up until the last day. He fired Mark Esper when he tried to stand up to him. Bill Barr fled right before J6. The entire WH Counsel's Office as well as every Deputy AG threatened to resign over his attempt to install lackey Jeff Clark as AG to overturn the election. You know all of this is true.
If you have paid attention to everything Trump has said and done since being forced (he was forced) to leave the WH, you know that he has said his greatest mistake last time was that he failed to appoint people who were completely loyal to him. This time, there will be no Cabinet officials telling him no. Nobody will stop him from running roughshod over the Constitution. You know this as well as I do. John Bolton is certain Trump intends to cut off aid to Ukraine on Day 1 and seek to sever and dismantle the NATO alliance at a critical time. Don Jr. has said his father intends to do exactly that, and he isn't saying it without his father's blessing.
You know that the very fabric of our Constitution will be torn asunder in a second Trump term. You understand he has no use for any limits on presidential powers, no respect for the courts, or for separation of powers. The collective security alliances that have kept the world free of global conflict mean nothing to Trump. He despises them, scoffs at and belittles them. He has an understanding of the world that is equivalent to a xenophobic, uneducated neanderthal.
Just look at the vile and personal attacks Trump and his campaign have made on you. You once denounced him for being sympathetic to the KKK. He was that and more. Aside from repeatedly calling you "Birdbrain," he has attacked your husband for serving overseas - it was his vile attack on John McCain's POW captivity that was the final straw for me. How can his attack on your husband and your marital relationship not have the same impact on you? His surrogates have repeatedly accused you publicly of extramarital affairs. His campaign spokesman today continued the stream of vile, misogynistic rhetoric, saying that you will eventually "drop down to kiss his ass." Will you?
It was my intention to become an Independent after the 2020 election. After January 6, 2021, I decided to make the switch to Democrat. I did so not because of Trump, but because I felt the party was irretrievably broken and would never return to the party I spent my life serving. The last three years, and this primary, have proven me right. When will you see that too, I wonder?
There are many lifelong Republicans who have left the party - people you respect. Former Campaign Managers for Republican Presidents, Cabinet Officials, Members of Congress, Generals, Admirals. Each of us did so at personal cost - some more than others - but we sleep better at night. We certainly don't agree with our new party on every policy issue, I don't agree with Biden on everything, but I don't believe that he will dismantle our institutions, our global alliances, or fundamentally alter the course of our Constitutional Republic. I also don't think that Biden is mentally unstable or psychotic, like Donald Trump.
I believe that suburban women will decide this election in November. I also believe that you connect with those voters far more than the running mate that Trump thinks will help deliver them (Elise Stefanik). I also believe that your endorsement, months after the dust has settled on your primary but before November, will have a bigger impact at that point in this campaign than anyone else's.
I'm asking you to decompress when your race is over and think long and hard about the future of this country if Trump returns to power. Surely, you see that is a frightening prospect. You don't even have to look at it as an endorsement of Biden - it will be an endorsement of the Constitution, rule of law, and American alliances that have kept this nation safe and secure in a dangerous world.
It would be an endorsement for the protection and preservation of American institutions - which is the core principle of classic conservatism, not the warped 'America First' amalgamation that has taken over the party. The most conservative thing you can do is stand up and oppose Donald Trump by endorsing Biden this fall.
History will treat you well for it.
By Ron Filipkowski Ron Filipkowski is a former federal and state prosecutor. A Marine and former Republican, Filipkowski has amassed a massive following for his reporting exposing those who threaten American democracy. Filipkowski is the editor-in-chief of MeidasTouch.com and co-hosts the hit podcast 'Uncovered' on the MeidasTouch Network.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 21, 2024 3:24:00 GMT
If you want to see how many people, regardless of their age, trip on stairs, going up or down. Then watch America’s Funniest Videoa. There are a lot. He didn't used to. Now he does. How do you know he “didn’t use to”. Where is your data to support your claim?
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