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Post by aj2hall on Apr 6, 2024 2:32:55 GMT
Trump talking about Americans who don't support him. In the past, he's said they're more dangerous than WWII enemies abroad and described them as our greatest threat. sick peopleTrump says Americans who don’t support him are more dangerous than dictators like Putin: They are sick peoplewww.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/22/trump-threats-world-war-ii/Trump equates his domestic political opposition to WWII enemies abroad ‘It’s the people from within our country that are more dangerous,’ he told religious broadcasters on Thursday, ratcheting up his inflammatory language against Americans who oppose him “This time, the greatest threat is not from the outside of our country, I really believe this. It’s the people from within our country that are more dangerous. They’re very sick people.”
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Post by morecowbell on Apr 6, 2024 2:38:38 GMT
sick peopleTrump says Americans who don’t support him are more dangerous than dictators like Putin: They are sick people No, he did not say that. This isn't even a case of twisting what he said. He didn't even say some version of that.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 6, 2024 2:54:46 GMT
Ok, so the Biden-Harris wording is not completely accurate. This is what he said. The border is the greatest problem this country has other than the enemy from the within. You know the enemy on the outside is Russia, China. We can handle them if we have a smart president. We have enemy from within. We have some very sick people. And I always said our country will never be a socialist country. And I was right. Unfortunately they went directly to communism, OK, they skipped socialism along the way.If he's not referring to the Democrats, who is he talking about? In the past, Trump has used similar language to describe people who don't support him. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/22/trump-threats-world-war-ii/Trump equates his domestic political opposition to WWII enemies abroad ‘It’s the people from within our country that are more dangerous,’ he told religious broadcasters on Thursday, ratcheting up his inflammatory language against Americans who oppose him “This time, the greatest threat is not from the outside of our country, I really believe this. It’s the people from within our country that are more dangerous. They’re very sick people.”linkDonald Trump claims the greatest problem we face as a country isn't the border, Russia, or China, but “the enemy from within.”
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 6, 2024 3:00:35 GMT
You just refuse to criticize trump. Any rational decent individual would find trump lying that he talked to family members of a murdered woman outrageous and say so. But not you. Your childish response was “he lies to”. How disgusting. By your own standard, you just refuse to criticize biden. Any rational decent individual would find that biden making every tragedy about himself and lying that he rode a train over a bridge that trains do. Not. Go. Over, outrageous and say so. But not you. You often let childish responses from your own side like “he lies too" stand and then complain when it comes back at you in return.How disgusting. I addressed both of these in another post. Problem you have is in your mind is that when both men commit an offense they are equal. An example are the lies being discussed. You believe they are equally offensive. That on a scale of 1 -10 both are a 10. President Biden said cars and trains went across the bridge that collapsed. trump claimed he talked to the members of the family of the woman that was murdered. A family member said that was not true. trump did not talk to anyone in the family. So of the two lies which is more disgusting? Claiming a train goes across some bridge that doesn’t? Or making a claim involving a family grieving the murder of a family member. A claim dumpster don made solely to make him look liked he cared, in other words to benefit him. I’m tired of the lies being hold but while I wish President Biden hadn’t said what he did I’m not going to throw a hissy fit over it. But IMO trump’s lie was cruel. Imagine how that family felt with trump making the claim he talked to some of them. And the only reason he did was to try and make him someone he’s not. So on a scale of 1-10 President Biden’s was a 1 and trump’s was a 10. Of course you will disagree. But then you refuse to see what a despicable individual that he is. A man with absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever. The bolded part makes no sense. 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by morecowbell on Apr 6, 2024 3:03:28 GMT
Ok, so the Biden-Harris wording is not completely accurate. Biden-Harris HQ does that a lot. They're the ones that clip off Trump's actual words in order to present them as something ENTIRELY different than what he truly said.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 6, 2024 3:07:10 GMT
Biden-Harris HQ is not actually Biden-Harris HQ, it’s an opinion site. They attached the wrong quotation to the wrong video clip. They should be more accurate and careful, but it’s not like Trump didn’t say what’s attributed to him. He just said it somewhere else.
ETA never mind, it actually is the rapid-response team for the Biden campaign. And they should be more careful, too.
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 6, 2024 3:21:03 GMT
To be honest, Biden-Harris HQ has a huge pool of trump saying disgusting things so it not surprising they mixed up the videos.
But you are right in that they need to knock off the sloppiness.
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Post by morecowbell on Apr 6, 2024 3:30:39 GMT
I don't agree that posting a picture of Biden is "threatening his life". That's quite the leap. But let's apply your standard in the other direction. I don't recall your outrage over the possibility that Biden’s wishing to beat up Trump "could lead one of his crazier followers to try and kill, because of being painted by biden as his enemies." I also don't recall your outrage over the possibility that all the other democrats talking about violence towards Trump or supporters "could lead one of Biden’s crazier followers to try and kill, because of being painted by democrats as enemies." Exactly when did President Biden “wish to beat up dumpster don”? When exactly did Democrats talk about violence against trump? Provide examples of what you are claiming. You made accusations about how Democrats responded to trump’s patriotic thing he did when he took the oath of office. I went looking for examples of what you were claiming couldn’t find any. When I asked about it I believe you said it happened on this board. So I’m not looking anymore for what you claim happens. Want people to buy what you’re selling provide examples. Democrats inciting violence. & Biden wanting to beat up Trump. Awesome! It's like we're living in North Korea!The road to authoritarianism and all of the broken norms
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Post by morecowbell on Apr 6, 2024 3:33:23 GMT
But you are right in that they need to knock off the sloppiness. When they're clipping off Trump's actual words in order to present them as something ENTIRELY different than what he truly said, it's not sloppiness, it's downright dishonest.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 6, 2024 3:36:43 GMT
Yes, the Biden-Harris campaign needs to be more accurate. However, to be fair, Trump speaks in word salads and it's not always crystal clear what he is saying.
In this case, what he said is not entirely different from what they reported. He does not refer to the Democrats by name, but it's fairly clear who he's talking about when he refers to them as the enemy within and says they jumped right to communism. In the past, he's described political opponents as the enemy within.
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Post by morecowbell on Apr 6, 2024 3:43:58 GMT
In this case, what he said is not entirely different from what they reported. Yes, it absolutely IS. Entirely different. The claim: Trump says Americans who don’t support him are more dangerous than dictators like Putin There is nothing in that video that says anything even remotely close to that. Nothing that could even be twisted into believable.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 6, 2024 3:49:57 GMT
Political violence and encouraging political violence from either side is unacceptable.
However, the 2 sides are not the same when it comes to political violence. Only one side was incited to by a sitting president (and defeated candidate) to rise up in a violent insurrection to try to stop the certification of the electoral college and interrupt the peaceful transfer of power. Not the same. Stop the fake whataboutisms, false comparisons and false equivalencies.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 6, 2024 4:04:26 GMT
In this case, what he said is not entirely different from what they reported. Yes, it absolutely IS. Entirely different. The claim: Trump says Americans who don’t support him are more dangerous than dictators like Putin There is nothing in that video that says anything even remotely close to that. Nothing that could even be twisted into believable. So the part about dictators like Putin was wrong but Trump did mention China and Russia in the clip, it wasn't completely out of left field. He was talking about enemies from the outside and within, making the point that enemies from within are more dangerous. China and Russia could be dealt with if you have a smart president. Trump did say they're very sick people, exactly what Biden-Harris HQ quoted. Trump - The border is the greatest problem this country has other than the enemy from the within. You know the enemy on the outside is Russia, China. We can handle them if we have a smart president. We have enemy from within. We have some very sick people. And I always said our country will never be a socialist country. And I was right. Unfortunately they went directly to communism, OK, they skipped socialism along the way.
Biden-Harris Trump says Americans who don’t support him are more dangerous than dictators like Putin: They are sick peopleAnd to repeat, Trump has used similar language in the past to describe political opponents www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/22/trump-threats-world-war-ii/Trump equates his domestic political opposition to WWII enemies abroad ‘It’s the people from within our country that are more dangerous,’ he told religious broadcasters on Thursday, ratcheting up his inflammatory language against Americans who oppose him “This time, the greatest threat is not from the outside of our country, I really believe this. It’s the people from within our country that are more dangerous. They’re very sick people.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 6, 2024 4:07:37 GMT
Well of course. He doesn't consider Putin, Orban, Xi, KJU, MBS, all those guys dangerous to the United States!!
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 6, 2024 4:16:09 GMT
4 years agoFour years ago we were preparing for the Hunger Games to find a roll of toilet paper. Today, we’re talking about the #15MillionBidenJobs our economy has added since What’s His Name took our nuke secrets down to his gilded golf club.
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Post by morecowbell on Apr 6, 2024 4:34:04 GMT
Political violence and encouraging political violence from either side is unacceptable. However, the 2 sides are not the same when it comes to political violence. Yes, they are. The standards you apply to one side must be applied to both. Meaning you can't hold one side accountable, while making excuses for your side. No, they weren't. Trump tweeted: "Please support our Capital Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our country. Stay peaceful." & "I am asking everyone at the U.S. Capital to remain peaceful. No violence! WE are the party of Law & Order- respect the law and our great men and women in blue. Thank you! & SAID "Go peacefully to the capitol." Someone who wants violence does not ask for 10,000 national guard in order to prevent violence. Someone who wants violence does not repeatedly ask people to "go peacefully". Stop pretending it's ALWAYS somehow magically different when your side does the same damn thing. If the violent rhetoric could lead one of Trump's crazier followers to try and kill, because of being painted as his enemies, then the Left's violent rhetoric could lead one of biden's crazier followers to try and kill, because of being painted as his enemies. Reality works the same for both sides.
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 6, 2024 5:29:53 GMT
Exactly when did President Biden “wish to beat up dumpster don”? When exactly did Democrats talk about violence against trump? Provide examples of what you are claiming. You made accusations about how Democrats responded to trump’s patriotic thing he did when he took the oath of office. I went looking for examples of what you were claiming couldn’t find any. When I asked about it I believe you said it happened on this board. So I’m not looking anymore for what you claim happens. Want people to buy what you’re selling provide examples. Democrats inciting violence. & Biden wanting to beat up Trump. Awesome! It's like we're living in North Korea!The road to authoritarianism and all of the broken normsYou go on and on about edited videos and not getting the full story. Yet a very edited video is your proof of the Democrats saying unkind things about the Republicans. Where’s the rest of the story? In other words where are their full quotes. Now let me get this straight. On Easter Sunday more than a few Republicans were outraged because they claimed that President Biden declared March 31, Easter Sunday, as Transgender Day of Visibility. And declared that there could be no religious symbols on the Easter Eggs for the Easter Egg hunt at the White House on Monday. Even though March 31 was declared Transgendef Day of Visibility several years ago and there were no religious symbols allowed in the Easter Eggs for over 40 years. So what these Republicans did was deliberately spread misinformation and then manufactured outrage about a lie on twitter. And you think what the Republicans did is equal to a few peas on this board, not a public forum like twitter, voicing their opinion about trump’s patriotic whatever it was. Seriously? 🤦🏻♀️ But let’s be clear about one thing. The least patriotic person in this country is trump. The only interests that man cares about are his. Everything else is just one big con to him.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 6, 2024 5:32:32 GMT
Four years and 13 days ago I was in the ER. Spent 2 weeks on Covid unit and 3 weeks in rehab.
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Post by morecowbell on Apr 6, 2024 6:11:16 GMT
You go on and on about edited videos and not getting the full story. Yet a very edited video is your proof of the Democrats saying unkind things about the Republicans. Where’s the rest of the story? In other words where are their full quotes. You go on and on defending a 12 second video clipped in the middle of the sentence that actually debunks the meaning they're claiming. Then, you continue by not only doubling down, tripling down, and quadrupling down to defend it. NOW you want context? Then go find it yourself. Prove they weren't saying what they said. That's what *I* did. Nope. Not anything close to that. Of course it was on Twitter. So yes, it was equal, despite you trying to pretend it isn't. & from Snopes:The proclamation (reproduced in full below) was often framed as an atypical, worrisome, or unique action, and Klippenstein's article contended that the National Day of Patriotic Devotion declaration was one of more "troubling signs from the new administration":
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 6, 2024 6:37:35 GMT
You go on and on about edited videos and not getting the full story. Yet a very edited video is your proof of the Democrats saying unkind things about the Republicans. Where’s the rest of the story? In other words where are their full quotes. You go on and on defending a 12 second video clipped in the middle of the sentence that actually debunks the meaning they're claiming. Then, you continue by not only doubling down, tripling down, and quadrupling down to defend it. NOW you want context? Then go find it yourself. Prove they weren't saying what they said. That's what *I* did. Nope. Not anything close to that. Of course it was on Twitter. So yes, it was equal, despite you trying to pretend it isn't. & from Snopes:The proclamation (reproduced in full below) was often framed as an atypical, worrisome, or unique action, and Klippenstein's article contended that the National Day of Patriotic Devotion declaration was one of more "troubling signs from the new administration":
Two peas thread was on twitter? You do understand there is a difference between offering an opinion and changing facts by lying?
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 6, 2024 13:56:43 GMT
Yes, it absolutely IS. Entirely different. The claim: Trump says Americans who don’t support him are more dangerous than dictators like Putin There is nothing in that video that says anything even remotely close to that. Nothing that could even be twisted into believable. So the part about dictators like Putin was wrong but Trump did mention China and Russia in the clip, it wasn't completely out of left field. He was talking about enemies from the outside and within, making the point that enemies from within are more dangerous. China and Russia could be dealt with if you have a smart president. Trump did say they're very sick people, exactly what Biden-Harris HQ quoted. Trump - The border is the greatest problem this country has other than the enemy from the within. You know the enemy on the outside is Russia, China. We can handle them if we have a smart president. We have enemy from within. We have some very sick people. And I always said our country will never be a socialist country. And I was right. Unfortunately they went directly to communism, OK, they skipped socialism along the way.
Biden-Harris Trump says Americans who don’t support him are more dangerous than dictators like Putin: They are sick peopleAnd to repeat, Trump has used similar language in the past to describe political opponents www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/22/trump-threats-world-war-ii/Trump equates his domestic political opposition to WWII enemies abroad ‘It’s the people from within our country that are more dangerous,’ he told religious broadcasters on Thursday, ratcheting up his inflammatory language against Americans who oppose him “This time, the greatest threat is not from the outside of our country, I really believe this. It’s the people from within our country that are more dangerous. They’re very sick people.”The bigger picture that’s getting lost in this is the dangerous way that Trump talks about Democrats - communists, socialists, fascists, radical left, dangerous, enemy within, greatest threat etc. Add that to his violent rhetoric and it’s a very dangerous combination. Not surprisingly, acts of political violence have increased since Trump took office. Along with that, Republican acceptance of political violence has increased. Regarding political violence, the 2 parties are not the same. The majority of incidents of political violence are from the right. carnegieendowment.org/2022/03/31/rise-in-political-violence-in-united-states-and-damage-to-our-democracy-pub-87584According to nearly every measure of both beliefs and actual incidents, political violence is considered more acceptable than it was five years ago before then-President Trump took office.
While desire is bipartisan, violence is overwhelmingly on the right, suggesting a role played by political leaders: Despite similar sentiments regarding violence among Democrats and Republicans from 2017 to pre-election 2020, incidents of violence are overwhelmingly on the right.
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Post by Merge on Apr 6, 2024 14:03:20 GMT
So the part about dictators like Putin was wrong but Trump did mention China and Russia in the clip, it wasn't completely out of left field. He was talking about enemies from the outside and within, making the point that enemies from within are more dangerous. China and Russia could be dealt with if you have a smart president. Trump did say they're very sick people, exactly what Biden-Harris HQ quoted. Trump - The border is the greatest problem this country has other than the enemy from the within. You know the enemy on the outside is Russia, China. We can handle them if we have a smart president. We have enemy from within. We have some very sick people. And I always said our country will never be a socialist country. And I was right. Unfortunately they went directly to communism, OK, they skipped socialism along the way.
Biden-Harris Trump says Americans who don’t support him are more dangerous than dictators like Putin: They are sick peopleAnd to repeat, Trump has used similar language in the past to describe political opponents www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/22/trump-threats-world-war-ii/Trump equates his domestic political opposition to WWII enemies abroad ‘It’s the people from within our country that are more dangerous,’ he told religious broadcasters on Thursday, ratcheting up his inflammatory language against Americans who oppose him “This time, the greatest threat is not from the outside of our country, I really believe this. It’s the people from within our country that are more dangerous. They’re very sick people.”The bigger picture that’s getting lost in this is the dangerous way that Trump talks about Democrats - communists, socialists, fascists, radical left, dangerous, enemy within, greatest threat etc. Add that to his violent rhetoric and it’s a very dangerous combination. Not surprisingly, acts of political violence have increased since Trump took office. Along with that, Republican acceptance of political violence has increased. Regarding political violence, the 2 parties are not the same. The majority of incidents of political violence are from the right. carnegieendowment.org/2022/03/31/rise-in-political-violence-in-united-states-and-damage-to-our-democracy-pub-87584According to nearly every measure of both beliefs and actual incidents, political violence is considered more acceptable than it was five years ago before then-President Trump took office. While desire is bipartisan, violence is overwhelmingly on the right, suggesting a role played by political leaders: Despite similar sentiments regarding violence among Democrats and Republicans from 2017 to pre-election 2020, incidents of violence are overwhelmingly on the right. I have never heard anyone at a Democratic rally suggesting that all Republicans should be tried for treason and hung, like the Trump supporter said of Democrats in that video. Combine that with living in a red state where the leadership thinks everyone should be armed all the time and the response to any altercation is to shoot first and ask questions later - how safe do you think we feel here? Though I live in a blue area, I've removed all political signs/stickers from our house and my vehicle. There are way too many crazy people here who have been conditioned to believe that Democrats are child groomers, baby killers, communists, etc. I also don't indicate to anyone in person that I teach in a public school. My goodness - to some of these folks you might as well say you round up children and eat them for breakfast. ETA: to anyone still reading here, please consider donating to Colin Allred for Senate. He is running against Ted Cruz and is currently tied in the polls with him. He's pretty moderate, has good name recognition here, and we hope has a chance of removing Ted from the Senate.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 6, 2024 14:31:57 GMT
Reality works the same for both sides. If you actually thought reality worked the same for both sides, you’d be voting Democratic.
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Post by Just T on Apr 6, 2024 15:39:45 GMT
I still believe it wasn't an insurrection. I'm curious what you would call it. I mean, look at the list of "weapons?" And that doesn't even include the gallows that was erected to hang Mike Pence, who they were looking for. So they could you know, HANG him. ETA OOPS gallows and rope is listed there. Items carried at US Capitol by some in the mob, per court filings: Guns, bear spray, hockey stick, baseball bat, taser, sharpened flagpole, knives, scissors, tourniquet, plastic knuckles, lacrosse stick Tomahawk ax Zip ties Strobe light Rope and gallows Tree Branch, Pipe, Stick, Baton, Crutch, Club Fire extinguisher Shields (stolen) Steel toed boots 4 ft rod Metal whip Sledgehammer Wooden plank Poles with nails in them PVC pipe Pitchfork Plywood Police barricade Electroshock weapon Wasp spray Crowbar If this isn't an insurrection to you, what is it? And a bigger question is, what would you have called it and how would you have reacted if this had happened from the Democrat side in 2016 when Clinton lost? Or if it had happened in 2001 from the Democrat side when Al Gore lost?
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 6, 2024 19:41:34 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 6, 2024 19:53:01 GMT
A great reply to Trump's nonsense that he's being prosecuted for the American people. Trump comparing himself to true patriots and heroes like Navalny and Nelson Mandela is just offensive. modern day Nelson MandelaSo selfless of President Trump to be willing to sacrifice his freedom to defend the cherished, God-given right each of us has to falsify business records to cover up the hush money we pay to the porn stars we adulterously bang.
Thank you, sir.
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Trump says on Truth Social that it would me “my great honor” to go to jail for violating Judge Merchan’s gag order and that it will make him a “modern day Nelson Mandela.”
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Post by Merge on Apr 6, 2024 21:37:07 GMT
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Post by Merge on Apr 6, 2024 21:37:38 GMT
A great reply to Trump's nonsense that he's being prosecuted for the American people. Trump comparing himself to true patriots and heroes like Navalny and Nelson Mandela is just offensive. modern day Nelson MandelaSo selfless of President Trump to be willing to sacrifice his freedom to defend the cherished, God-given right each of us has to falsify business records to cover up the hush money we pay to the porn stars we adulterously bang.
Thank you, sir.
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Trump says on Truth Social that it would me “my great honor” to go to jail for violating Judge Merchan’s gag order and that it will make him a “modern day Nelson Mandela.”Let’s give him that great honor, then.
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Post by casii on Apr 6, 2024 21:55:40 GMT
It was an armed insurrection. End of story. Full stop. As someone who lives where it was LOCAL news and had an adult child who works in downtown DC, it's insulting to assert it was anything but. A vote for Trump is a vote to end our democratic republic.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 6, 2024 22:26:24 GMT
Unfortunately not only the ones in the DC jail. He is talking about ALL of them....whether they are jailed, imprisoned or served their time! ALL OF THEM,!!
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