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Post by aj2hall on Apr 6, 2024 22:40:32 GMT
From one of Trump's billionaire supporters - Thomas Klingenstein, chair of the Clairmont Institute. It's anti-immigration and anti-American messagethreadreaderapp.com/thread/1776715082149347427.html?utm_campaign=topunrollThis is an utterly astonishing message for a candidate for the presidency to embrace. And, just a clue, it's not about virtues.
It starts with a command-even if you can't stand Trump, you must get behind him.
Has any candidate ever run like that? It gets worse.
2/GOP voters shouldn't care if he's a conservative, a role model for children, or modest & dignified--I suppose that's a good message because Trump is none of the things quite obviously.
The tone & pacing of the video carries an echo of WWII fascism that makes me feel queasy.
3/The important message Trump endorses about himself? "He knows we're in a war" & "he know how to win."
Who is the enemy? It's us. You & me. It's Democrats. It's anyone who doesn't support Trump, anyone who is other. Believe him when he tells us who he is before it's too late.
4/This isn't the kind of thread where you can like the tweets-it's too awful, but please do retweet it. Trump posted this on Truth Social. People need to see this. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/04/far-right-republican-donor-woke-thomas-klingenstein |
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 6, 2024 22:56:00 GMT
January 6 was armed, violent and an insurrection. They were trying to "Stop the Steal". They wanted to disrupt the counting of the electoral vote, their intent was to stop the peaceful transfer of power. Jan 6 |
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 6, 2024 23:10:40 GMT
"Tell me what company you keep and I'll tell you what you are." Trump donorsthreadreaderapp.com/thread/1776715925728678275.htmlTonight, Donald Trump is holding a billionaire fundraiser to pay his mounting legal bills.
Here are some of the scammers, racists, and extremists funding Trump’s failing campaign.
Trump donor John Paulson wants to cut Social Security and opposed financial regulations to protect Americans after the 2008 crash, which he profited off of
Trump donor Robert Bigelow complained he couldn’t evict tenants out of his buildings during the pandemic and supports Florida’s extreme Don’t Say Gay law
Trump donor John Catsimatidis compared taxes on the wealthy to Hitler killing Jews and his business has been forced to pay millions in lawsuits over unfair labor practices and consumer safety violations
Trump donor José “Pepe” Fanjul refused to fire his assistant who was married to (two!) KKK leaders, commenting via a company spokesperson that “we wouldn’t terminate them for that”
Trump donor Jamie McCourt pocketed over $10 million from her stock shares before public citizens were made aware of the pandemic’s severity, all while Trump played down the virus
Trump donor and failed GOP Senator Kelly Loeffler touted 2020 election lies, backed an anti-LGBTQ adoption agency, and supported ripping away health care from millions of Americans by repealing the Affordable Care Act
Trump donor Robert Mercer opposes the Civil Rights Act of 1964, calling it a major mistake, and believes the government is backwards for helping “weak people get strong”
Trump donor Jeff Yass has avoided $1 billion in taxes and wants to privatize Social Security
Trump donor Woody Johnson has repeatedly disparaged women for their looks and questioned why the Black community celebrates Black History Month
Trump donor Mike Hodges openly bragged about how his donations to Trump helped him fend off regulations so he could screw over working Americans and get rich
Trump donor Steve Wynn was accused by dozens of workers of sexual misconduct
Trump donor Todd Ricketts made his money screwing over retirees by shedding pension obligations and health care promises, and opposes the idea that the “government can serve to protect the public’s well-being” |
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Post by Merge on Apr 6, 2024 23:21:23 GMT
January 6 was armed, violent and an insurrection. They were trying to "Stop the Steal". They wanted to disrupt the counting of the electoral vote, their intent was to stop the peaceful transfer of power. Jan 6In this video, they say they're willing to "hang a bunch of crooked congressmen if that's what it takes." x.com/ryanjreilly/status/1743656421562970545"We're coming for you, Pelosi, you socialist c*nt! We know where you live!" x.com/ryanjreilly/status/1743665109644222913 |
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Post by morecowbell on Apr 7, 2024 1:27:54 GMT
You go on and on defending a 12 second video clipped in the middle of the sentence that actually debunks the meaning they're claiming. Then, you continue by not only doubling down, tripling down, and quadrupling down to defend it. NOW you want context? Then go find it yourself. Prove they weren't saying what they said. That's what *I* did. Nope. Not anything close to that. Of course it was on Twitter. So yes, it was equal, despite you trying to pretend it isn't. & from Snopes:The proclamation (reproduced in full below) was often framed as an atypical, worrisome, or unique action, and Klippenstein's article contended that the National Day of Patriotic Devotion declaration was one of more "troubling signs from the new administration":
Two peas thread was on twitter? You do understand there is a difference between offering an opinion and changing facts by lying? The subject of a National Day of Patriotism was on Twitter, a Pea thread was not.  I don't see anything that I said that would lead you to believe I said "a Pea thread was on Twitter." So, as I said: Information was left out to respond in outrage to a proclamation of Transgender Day of Visibility on Easter, just as information was left out to respond in outrage to Trump's National Day Of Patriotic Devotion. So yes, they are equal, despite your attempt at pretending they aren't. You said: So I provided examples, from the Peas and from out in the world. Sorry if that disputes your claim that it didn't exist. It clearly does. from Snopes: " The proclamation (reproduced in full below) was often framed as an atypical, worrisome, or unique action, and Klippenstein's article contended that the National Day of Patriotic Devotion declaration was one of more "troubling signs from the new administration". |
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Post by morecowbell on Apr 7, 2024 1:38:51 GMT
So the part about dictators like Putin was wrong but Trump did mention China and Russia in the clip, it wasn't completely out of left field. He was talking about enemies from the outside and within, making the point that enemies from within are more dangerous. China and Russia could be dealt with if you have a smart president. Trump did say they're very sick people, exactly what Biden-Harris HQ quoted. Trump - The border is the greatest problem this country has other than the enemy from the within. You know the enemy on the outside is Russia, China. We can handle them if we have a smart president. We have enemy from within. We have some very sick people. And I always said our country will never be a socialist country. And I was right. Unfortunately they went directly to communism, OK, they skipped socialism along the way.
Biden-Harris Trump says Americans who don’t support him are more dangerous than dictators like Putin: They are sick peopleAnd to repeat, Trump has used similar language in the past to describe political opponents www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/22/trump-threats-world-war-ii/Trump equates his domestic political opposition to WWII enemies abroad ‘It’s the people from within our country that are more dangerous,’ he told religious broadcasters on Thursday, ratcheting up his inflammatory language against Americans who oppose him “This time, the greatest threat is not from the outside of our country, I really believe this. It’s the people from within our country that are more dangerous. They’re very sick people.”The bigger picture that’s getting lost in this is the dangerous way that Trump talks about Democrats* You created the picture when you posted a tweet that claimed Trump said something in the video that he absolutely did not say. By an account that is known for clipping off Trump's actual words in order to present them as something ENTIRELY different than what he actually said. *Also, if it's dangerous for Trump to talk using violent rhetoric, then I'm sure you would agree, it's also dangerous for Democrats to talk using violent rhetoric. And they use it as well. |
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Post by morecowbell on Apr 7, 2024 1:40:00 GMT
Reality works the same for both sides. If you actually thought reality worked the same for both sides, you’d be voting Democratic. That's your opinion. I don't agree. |
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Post by morecowbell on Apr 7, 2024 2:05:23 GMT
I still believe it wasn't an insurrection. I'm curious what you would call it. I mean, look at the list of "weapons?" And that doesn't even include the gallows that was erected to hang Mike Pence, who they were looking for. So they could you know, HANG him. ETA OOPS gallows and rope is listed there. Items carried at US Capitol by some in the mob, per court filings: Guns, bear spray, hockey stick, baseball bat, taser, sharpened flagpole, knives, scissors, tourniquet, plastic knuckles, lacrosse stick Tomahawk ax Zip ties Strobe light Rope and gallows Tree Branch, Pipe, Stick, Baton, Crutch, Club Fire extinguisher Shields (stolen) Steel toed boots 4 ft rod Metal whip Sledgehammer Wooden plank Poles with nails in them PVC pipe Pitchfork Plywood Police barricade Electroshock weapon Wasp spray Crowbar If this isn't an insurrection to you, what is it? And a bigger question is, what would you have called it and how would you have reacted if this had happened from the Democrat side in 2016 when Clinton lost? Or if it had happened in 2001 from the Democrat side when Al Gore lost? There are a lot of unanswered questions that need to be answered before I would know what to accurately call it. Many of those actions/inaction lead me to believe that it wasn’t actually an insurrection. I'm leaning towards a protest that turned into a riot. New information on the J6 gallows investigationThe Capitol Police Guidelines for Conducting an event on United States Capitol Grounds explicitly state, “(t)emporary structures of any kind may not be erected on Capitol Grounds,” which would imply that a gallows—a temporary structure—may not be allowed on Capitol Grounds and would immediately be addressed and/or removed once discovered. However, these gallows were left untouched by USCP officers from 6:00 a.m. on January 6 until later that evening. “It is inconceivable that a gallows could be constructed on U.S. Capitol property and left up all day,” said Chairman Loudermilk. Why didn’t the U.S. Capitol Police take down the gallows once it was seen on Capitol property, and why have the individuals never been identified? The Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol showed a video during its first hearing of protestors appearing to breach the Capitol chanting, “Hang Mike Pence,” followed by an image of the gallows, which had been erected hundreds of yards away. The Select Committee overlapped these chants with the image of the gallows, implying the crowd of Trump supporters built the gallows as a threat of violence against then-Vice President Pence.After January 6th, the noose from the gallows was recovered by an Australian journalist and turned over to the FBI. However, three years later, the FBI still has no suspects. Additionally, the Select Committee on January 6th seemingly did not review the USCP CCTV footage to identify the culprits behind the gallows, or if they did, they never released information about when the gallows were built and who built them—which can all be seen on CCTV footage from early in the morning on January 6. To date, the FBI has not named any suspects in this case. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 7, 2024 2:31:16 GMT
aj2hallLast I knew her DH is chairman of the NY Stock Exchange... Sure, nice employer, screw them with their pensions, take their promised healthcare and BTW, they want social security, Medicare and other safety nets to go away.
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 7, 2024 2:39:51 GMT
Two peas thread was on twitter? You do understand there is a difference between offering an opinion and changing facts by lying? The subject of a National Day of Patriotism was on Twitter, not a Pea thread.  I don't see anything that I said that would lead you to believe I said "a Pea thread was on Twitter." So, as I said: Information was left out to respond in outrage to a proclamation of Transgender Day of Visibility on Easter, just as information was left out to respond in outrage to Trump's National Day Of Patriotic Devotion. So yes, they are equal, despite your attempt at pretending they aren't. You said: So I provided examples, from the Peas and from out in the world. Sorry if that disputes your claim that it didn't exist. It clearly does. from Snopes: " The proclamation (reproduced in full below) was often framed as an atypical, worrisome, or unique action, and Klippenstein's article contended that the National Day of Patriotic Devotion declaration was one of more "troubling signs from the new administration"Now on to the two issues you claim are equally offensive. # 1 dumpster don’s proclamation and the reception it received. People voiced their opinions about, I read it last night and felt it was a piece of garbage like trump. There are many things trump is but a patriot is not one of them. It’s kind of people thinking he is a religious man when he’s not. So this idea he would come up with a proclamation on patriotism is ridiculous. And it seems a lot of people agree with me. Now on to #2 the manufactured outrage by some Republicans on Easter Sunday. What these Republicans did was claim that Joe Biden decided to make Transgender Day of Visibility. And to add fuel to the fire, there would be no religious symbols allowed on the Easter Eggs being used on Monday. More than a few Republicans voiced their outrage of what President Biden did. Except that he didn’t do anything. March 31st has been Transgender Day of Visibility as far back as 2009. As to the religious symbols on Easter Eggs there had been any for something like 40 years. So either these Republicans deliberately lied or were incredibly stupid. In either case their actions were worse than those who criticized dumpster don’s thing on patriotism. Of course you are going to disagree. One thing. You keep claiming you are comparing apples to apples when in fact you are comparing gold fish to killer whales. At one time one could compare the actions of both political parties on an apple to apple basis. But that ship sailed during the Clinton Administration when the Republican Party decided they no longer wanted to govern and the ship sank when trump took over the Republican Party and it became the party of getting and keeping power anyway they can. Which includes cheating if they can get away with it. Now of course you will this disagree with this as well because you are one of them. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 7, 2024 2:44:20 GMT
Missed piece.. Report released February 23, 2024 Committee on House Administration's Subcommittee on Oversight Chairman Barry Loudermilk (GA-11) released the following information related to the construction of the infamous gallows of January 6, 2021. *** Between 6:30 a.m. and 7:15 a.m., the group constructed the platform and two main pillars of the gallows, only leaving off the crossbeam. During this time, the apparent group leader along with one other person, left the group and walked down 3rd Street, heading north. They returned a few minutes later with coffee, and the entire group left the scene. Despite the leader’s distinctive clothing—he was wearing a long trench coat, long white scarf, fedora-type hat, and walking with a cane—he has never been identified publicly. At approximately 1:00 p.m., the group of five returned to the scene and the presumed leader, now wearing a baseball cap, installed the final crossbeam and added the noose made of bright orange rope. Shortly after construction was complete, all five men left the grounds. I wouldn't assign a lot of value to what Loudermilk has to say!! Hummm.... wearing same as Eastman... Might have been considered a platform? Crossbeam was not installed until afternoon. They knew what they were doing and who was coming Where do you think they were planning to hang Mike Pence. Surely it was not spontaneous, but rather planned!! cha.house.gov/2024/2/chairman-barry-loudermilk-releases-new-information-in-the-january-6-2021-gallows-investigation |
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 7, 2024 4:20:48 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 7, 2024 4:33:57 GMT
Also regarding the insurrection, 210 defendants who were charged with crimes said they were following Trump. www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/trump-incited-january-6-defendants/Two hundred ten defendants from 40 states and the District of Columbia who were charged for their participation in the January 6th insurrection have said they were answering Donald Trump’s calls when they traveled to Washington and joined the violent attack on the Capitol. CREW’s examination of court filings, transcripts, and news items regarding defendants in January 6th cases shows that defendants—ranging from convicted seditionists such as members of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers to individual members of the public—considered Trump their leader and believed they were following his lead by joining the insurrection.
In letters to federal judges, federal court filings, and appeals to the public, these defendants and their legal representatives have made it clear that Trump’s repeated false statements and calls to action drove their actions that day. These findings bolster those of the January 6th Select Committee which found Trump was the “central cause” of the attack on the Capitol. |
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Post by morecowbell on Apr 7, 2024 6:00:10 GMT
The subject of a National Day of Patriotism was on Twitter, not a Pea thread. I don't see anything that I said that would lead you to believe I said "a Pea thread was on Twitter." So, as I said: Information was left out to respond in outrage to a proclamation of Transgender Day of Visibility on Easter, just as information was left out to respond in outrage to Trump's National Day Of Patriotic Devotion. So yes, they are equal, despite your attempt at pretending they aren't. You said: So I provided examples, from the Peas and from out in the world. Sorry if that disputes your claim that it didn't exist. It clearly does. from Snopes: " The proclamation (reproduced in full below) was often framed as an atypical, worrisome, or unique action, and Klippenstein's article contended that the National Day of Patriotic Devotion declaration was one of more "troubling signs from the new administration"Now on to the two issues you claim are equally offensive. # 1 dumpster don’s proclamation and the reception it received. People voiced their opinions about, I read it last night and felt it was a piece of garbage like trump. There are many things trump is but a patriot is not one of them. It’s kind of people thinking he is a religious man when he’s not. So this idea he would come up with a proclamation on patriotism is ridiculous. And it seems a lot of people agree with me. That's completely different than what you had previously said. First you said you couldn't find any evidence of Democrats being bothered by Trump's proclamation, doubted there was any, and then asked me to provide examples. Now that I have given links to examples, you suddenly changed your tune to of course "people voiced their opinions, you think it's garbage and lots of people agree with you". As far as Biden "not doing anything" it IS interesting that in all the years Biden has been president, he has never made a "proclamation" about the Transgender Day of Visibility.
It is odd that he ONLY chose to do so when it coincided with Easter.
Could be nothing to it, but it is noteworthy.
Or a third option, one might say, is that they took note of him never choosing to make a proclamation about it. Until now.
Not based on a third option that you completely overlooked. Yes, I know, it's ALWAYS somehow magically different when your side does the same damn thing.  Said by a member of the party that creates hoaxes in order to influence elections. The same party that tries to censor and silence the other side, and jail their main political opponent. No, I disagree because of your logical fallacies. |
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Post by morecowbell on Apr 7, 2024 6:23:05 GMT
The gallows are only a minor piece of what happened on January 6. Whatever questions there might or might not be are only a tiny piece of the events of that day. No shit. There are a lot of unanswered questions ON ALL ASPECTS of that day and the investigation of it, that need to be answered before I would know what to accurately call it. Many of those actions/inaction lead me to believe that it wasn’t actually an insurrection. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 7, 2024 11:28:59 GMT
January 6 was armed, violent and an insurrection. They were trying to "Stop the Steal". They wanted to disrupt the counting of the electoral vote, their intent was to stop the peaceful transfer of power. Jan 6In this video, they say they're willing to "hang a bunch of crooked congressmen if that's what it takes." x.com/ryanjreilly/status/1743656421562970545"We're coming for you, Pelosi, you socialist c*nt! We know where you live!" x.com/ryanjreilly/status/1743665109644222913Surely not! Why, I am reliably informed that these were just tourists who wanted a…tour of Congress. 👀🥴👀 |
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Post by Merge on Apr 7, 2024 12:49:38 GMT
Now on to the two issues you claim are equally offensive. # 1 dumpster don’s proclamation and the reception it received. People voiced their opinions about, I read it last night and felt it was a piece of garbage like trump. There are many things trump is but a patriot is not one of them. It’s kind of people thinking he is a religious man when he’s not. So this idea he would come up with a proclamation on patriotism is ridiculous. And it seems a lot of people agree with me. That's completely different than what you had previously said. First you said you couldn't find any evidence of Democrats being bothered by Trump's proclamation, doubted there was any, and then asked me to provide examples. Now that I have given links to examples, you suddenly changed your tune to of course "people voiced their opinions, you think it's garbage and lots of people agree with you". As far as Biden "not doing anything" it IS interesting that in all the years Biden has been president, he has never made a "proclamation" about the Transgender Day of Visibility. It is odd that he ONLY chose to do so when it coincided with Easter. Could be nothing to it, but it is noteworthy. Or a third option, one might say, is that they took note of him never choosing to make a proclamation about it. Until now. Not based on a third option that you completely overlooked. Yes, I know, it's ALWAYS somehow magically different when your side does the same damn thing. Said by a member of the party that creates hoaxes in order to influence elections. The same party that tries to censor and silence the other side, and jail their main political opponent. No, I disagree because of your logical fallacies. 2021 www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/03/31/a-proclamation-on-transgender-day-of-visibility-2021/2022 www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2022/03/30/a-proclamation-on-transgender-day-of-visibility-2022/2023 www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/03/30/a-proclamation-on-transgender-day-of-visibility/So easily fact checked. But why bother when the lie fits your agenda so well, right? I don’t think you’d know a logical fallacy if it bit you in the butt, since your claim that Biden never made a proclamation before because you hadn’t bothered to look for one is literally a logical fallacy. The rest of your claims are also nonsense. Lev Parnas’ testimony makes it clear there has been ongoing Russian collusion with Republicans and the Trump campaign. Not a hoax at all. Just because the specific links Mueller was looking for didn't pan out doesn't mean it wasn't happening through other channels. (Another logical fallacy, BTW.) www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna144250www.newsweek.com/lev-parnas-accuses-donald-trump-working-russia-1885420And Trump finally being called to account for his life of lawlessness and his efforts to overturn the result of a free and fair election are nobody’s fault but Trump’s. If he didn’t want to go to jail, he should have followed the law. That’s not “having your political rival jailed.” Don’t be stupid. |
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Post by Just T on Apr 7, 2024 13:29:33 GMT
I'm leaning towards a protest that turned into a riot. Sure, because it's completely normal to show up to a protest carrying bear spray, guns, tazers, sharpened flagpoles, wasp spray, tomahawks, axes etc etc etc. They all knew what they were planning to do when they got there. Their sole purpose was not to protest, it was to enact violence in the hope of keeping the election from being certified because their leader made them believe the election was stolen from him. |
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Post by Merge on Apr 7, 2024 13:43:00 GMT
I'm leaning towards a protest that turned into a riot. Sure, because it's completely normal to show up to a protest carrying bear spray, guns, tazers, sharpened flagpoles, wasp spray, tomahawks, axes etc etc etc. They all knew what they were planning to do when they got there. There sole purpose was not to protest, it was to enact violence in the hope of keeping the election from being certified because their leader made them believe the election was stolen from him. Which is why several of the leaders were convicted of seditious conspiracy. A conspiracy is something you plan beforehand. Sedition is inciting revolt or violence against a lawful authority to destroy or overthrow it. This wasn't just a protest that got out of hand. That's ridiculous. These are the people - those who planned and orchestrated a revolt against the lawful authority of the united states to overthrow it - that Trump insists he will pardon. Are those the actions of a patriot? |
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Post by Merge on Apr 7, 2024 14:00:53 GMT
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Post by Just T on Apr 7, 2024 14:10:29 GMT
These are the people - those who planned and orchestrated a revolt against the lawful authority of the united states to overthrow it - that Trump insists he will pardon. Are those the actions of a patriot? Exactly. Upthread, someone mentioned how many hundreds of police were injured that day. Yet Trump is pro police? How can he claim that one when promising to pardon those who injured police that day? And again, I asked about what @cowbell would have thought if this had happened in 2016 or 2001. Republicans would have lost their damn minds and we all know it. And I was a Republican back then. (In 2001) It should not matter what party you are when something this horrific happens, and I am so sick and tired of the excuses and support of those who were responsible for this. ETA: I did not vote for Trump in 2016, but I remember watching his inauguration feeling a bit teary eyed that even when things are so divisive, we could have a peaceful transfer of power. I remember thinking that day, "How bad can it be? We have checks and balances." And we see how those checked and balanced him. |
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Post by Merge on Apr 7, 2024 14:21:11 GMT
These are the people - those who planned and orchestrated a revolt against the lawful authority of the united states to overthrow it - that Trump insists he will pardon. Are those the actions of a patriot? Exactly. Upthread, someone mentioned how many hundreds of police were injured that day. Yet Trump is pro police? How can he claim that one when promising to pardon those who injured police that day? And again, I asked about what @cowbell would have thought if this had happened in 2016 or 2001. Republicans would have lost their damn minds and we all know it. And I was a Republican back then. (In 2001) It should not matter what party you are when something this horrific happens, and I am so sick and tired of the excuses and support of those who were responsible for this. ETA: I did not vote for Trump in 2016, but I remember watching his inauguration feeling a bit teary eyed that even when things are so divisive, we could have a peaceful transfer of power. I remember thinking that day, "How bad can it be? We have checks and balances." And we see how those checked and balanced him. I remember the women's marches in 2017. We were angry. We were upset and scared. But I don't recall anyone in the DC march breaking into the capitol building or beating up the police. I don't recall anyone threatening to kill Republican legislators. In Austin, we marched to the capitol but no one broke in or threatened Greg Abbott or the Republican leadership. Still, marchers were roundly insulted by the right for our appearance, our pink hats, our “shrill” speech, and more. As it happens, our worst fears with Trump have largely been realized. Still, no one is breaking into the capitol building to threaten the lives of his allies in congress. |
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Post by Just T on Apr 7, 2024 14:28:51 GMT
Exactly. Upthread, someone mentioned how many hundreds of police were injured that day. Yet Trump is pro police? How can he claim that one when promising to pardon those who injured police that day? And again, I asked about what @cowbell would have thought if this had happened in 2016 or 2001. Republicans would have lost their damn minds and we all know it. And I was a Republican back then. (In 2001) It should not matter what party you are when something this horrific happens, and I am so sick and tired of the excuses and support of those who were responsible for this. ETA: I did not vote for Trump in 2016, but I remember watching his inauguration feeling a bit teary eyed that even when things are so divisive, we could have a peaceful transfer of power. I remember thinking that day, "How bad can it be? We have checks and balances." And we see how those checked and balnced him. I remember the women's marches in 2017. We were angry. We were upset and scared. But I don't recall anyone in the DC march breaking into the capitol building or beating up the police. I don't recall anyone threatening to kill Republican legislators. As it happens, our worst fears with Trump have largely been realized. Still, no one is breaking into the capitol building to threaten the lives of his allies in congress. Exactly! 2017 is what I consider a protest. Calling January 6 a patriotic protest is like calling a summer rainshower a category 5 hurricane. ETA HAHA I said that backwards! Calling January 6 a patriotic protest is like calling a category 5 hurricane a summer rainshower. LOL I also will always remember when Mitch McConnell said in the summer of 2016 that if Donald Trump becomes president, it will destroy the Republican party. That sure didn't age well. Yet just a few months later, they were all kissing his a$$ |
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 7, 2024 14:57:52 GMT
Exactly. This bears repeating. Trump pressured his VP to unilaterally reject electors. Biden, as VP, certified Trump’s win. One obeyed the Constitution; the other shredded it.
Conservatives like to make the false comparison that Hillary and the Democrats didn’t accept the results of the election. Joe Biden (VP at the time) did not have discussions with Hillary about rejecting the electoral college vote. Hillary did not pressure Biden to reject it. Not the same at all. Or, in 2001, can you imagine if Gore as VP refused to certify the election he lost? If either had happened, conservatives would have lost their damn minds. And that was only one part of Trump’s efforts to overturn the results of the election. |
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Post by Merge on Apr 7, 2024 15:18:48 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 7, 2024 16:00:12 GMT
Sure, because it's completely normal to show up to a protest carrying bear spray, guns, tazers, sharpened flagpoles, wasp spray, tomahawks, axes etc etc etc. They all knew what they were planning to do when they got there. There sole purpose was not to protest, it was to enact violence in the hope of keeping the election from being certified because their leader made them believe the election was stolen from him. Which is why several of the leaders were convicted of seditious conspiracy. A conspiracy is something you plan beforehand. Sedition is inciting revolt or violence against a lawful authority to destroy or overthrow it. This wasn't just a protest that got out of hand. That's ridiculous. These are the people - those who planned and orchestrated a revolt against the lawful authority of the united states to overthrow it - that Trump insists he will pardon. Are those the actions of a patriot? It IS ridiculous, and anyone who maintains that they were “tourists” or that they are “patriots” is either lying through their teeth, or they are a fool. Many of us watched it live. It is helpful that so many of us were shut-ins because of the pandemic, because we had plenty of time to watch the whole sorry mess. |
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Post by morecowbell on Apr 7, 2024 16:03:36 GMT
I didn't lie. I made a mistake. It happens sometimes. To all of us. I based it on what someone said, but thought I'd better verify. Based on what I put in the search bar the first article confirmed what they said and I assumed it was a recent article. Confirmation bias and all. My mistake. |
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Post by Merge on Apr 7, 2024 16:06:33 GMT
I didn't lie. I made a mistake. It happens sometimes. To all of us. I based it on what someone said, but thought I'd better verify. Based on what I put in the search bar the first article confirmed what they said and I assumed it was a recent article. Confirmation bias and all. My mistake. The lie someone else told fit your agenda. As you say, confirmation bias. |
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Post by morecowbell on Apr 7, 2024 16:25:26 GMT
I didn't lie. I made a mistake. It happens sometimes. To all of us. I based it on what someone said, but thought I'd better verify. Based on what I put in the search bar the first article confirmed what they said and I assumed it was a recent article. Confirmation bias and all. My mistake. The lie someone else told fit your agenda. As you say, confirmation bias. Yep. |
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 7, 2024 16:25:29 GMT
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