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Post by morecowbell on Feb 17, 2024 3:23:26 GMT
I have acknowledged mistakes and mis-steps that Biden made. A few days ago, he mixed up Mexico and Egypt, Recently he also mixed up leaders of France and then Germany. He also mispronounced Hamas and bumped into a flag on stage at the UN. A year ago, he mis-spoke and said Iraq instead of Ukraine. He mistakenly addressed the prime minister of the UK as Mr. President but quickly corrected himself and joked that he just demoted the prime minister. President Biden tripped at an Air Force graduation, fell off his bike and tripped going up the stairs of Air Force 1. President Biden sometimes acknowledges his mistakes. When has Trump ever admitted he made a mistake? Biden has a documented speech impairment and sometimes struggles with working memory and word retrieval. Trump has been slurring words in recent speeches. What is your excuse for that? Trump recently went on a bizarre rant, ranking his preferred methods of violent death, saying he would rather be electrocuted than eaten by a shark. Even for Trump, that was bizarre. Don't worry though, he has an excuse for his mistakes, he was just joking and being sarcastic. newrepublic.com/post/179029/donald-trump-unbelievable-excuse-constant-mix-upsDonald Trump’s recent memory failures sure do look like some kind of cognitive decline. In the last few months, Trump has mixed up President Joe Biden with former President Barack Obama, slurred his words, bragged about his favorite type of violent death and that he calls corn “non-liquid gold,” insisted you need voter ID to buy bread, and confused his GOP competitor Nikki Haley for California Representative Nancy Pelosi, claiming that the former failed to act during January 6.
But during a campaign rally on Wednesday, Trump had a new excuse for all that, claiming all of his short circuits are actually just sarcastic jokes.
“When I interpose—cause I’m not a Nikki fan, and I’m not a Pelosi fan. And when I purposely interpose names, they said, ‘He didn’t know Pelosi from Nikki. From Tricky Nikki. Tricky Nikki. He didn’t know.’ I interposed,” he added, seemingly forgetting the definition of the word “interpose,” which per Merriam-Webster means to put oneself between or intrude.
“And they make a big deal out of it. I said, ‘No, no, I think they both stink. They have something in common. They both stink.’ And remember this: When I make a statement like that about Nikki, that means she will never be running for vice president. She will never be running [unintelligible] vice president,” he added.What about these specific things he has said and done? not remembering, even within several years, defining milestones in his own life claims of recently speaking to people that died, some decades ago repeating same exact story, verbatim, within a couple of minutes to the same people promising not to make people uncomfortable anymore by touching them and then doing it again and upsetting a young child claiming he called a climate emergency when he hasn't saying "we're going to build a bridge across the Indian Ocean" shaking someone's hand then forgetting he just did and trying to do it again always being confused on HOW to leave the podium in recent years being confused about what office he's running for, he keeps thinking he's still running for senate repeatedly not understanding not to read the stage directions. standing trance like while holding an imaginary steering wheel? while looking off into the distance on stage while being asked questions being unable to follow directions of someone pointing exactly where to go often forgetting words, concepts, people's names, even that this is the Biden presidency -not the Harris presidency repeatedly admitting someone else is in charge of whether he can take questions and they will get mad at him being guided around with hands on, moving him around -being treated like a man in a diminished mental state rambling on about a guy named Cornpop while reminiscing about letting kids playing with his leg hair in the pool many false claims, incoherent rambllings, word salads etc
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 17, 2024 3:40:31 GMT
I have acknowledged some of President Biden's mis-steps and mistakes, but I'm not going to recognize your specific list. Still waiting for you to recognize any of Trump's ramblings, errors, slurred speech, incoherent words, word salads etc.
Or any acknowledgment that he's not fit to hold office for any reason - you can pick
1. He's been convicted in court of defamation and proven sexual assault 2. He's been convicted of fraud 3. He tried to overturn the results of an election 4. He incited an insurrection 5. Many of his former advisors have said he should never hold office again 6. His dangerous authoritarian tendencies 7. His horrific plans for massive arrests, deportations and internments of undocumented immigrants 8. His racist, xenophobic and fascist remarks about vermin and poisoning the blood of our country 9. His plans to withdraw from NATO and let Putin take over Europe 10. His plans to consolidate executive power 11.His plans to gut the federal government 12. His plans for retribution and revenge 12. His plans to weaponize the Justice Department 14. His support of a 16 week abortion ban 15. He's an f'ing moron
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 17, 2024 3:48:35 GMT
I have acknowledged some of President Biden's mis-steps and mistakes, but I'm not going to recognize your specific list. No, you haven't. Acknowledging Biden mis-steps that you claim are mis-steps anyone could make when Biden makes them, but the exact same type show mental decline when applied to Trump is NOT acknowledging them. It's dishonest.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 17, 2024 3:54:39 GMT
Run while you still can, aj2hall. Get off the hamster wheel.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 17, 2024 3:54:49 GMT
I have acknowledged some of President Biden's mis-steps and mistakes, but I'm not going to recognize your specific list. No, you haven't. Acknowledging Biden mis-steps that you claim are mis-steps anyone could make when Biden makes them, but the exact same type show mental decline when applied to Trump is NOT acknowledging them. It's dishonest. No, the mistakes that Biden makes are not exactly the same as Trump. Trump is slurring words, rambling, incoherent, talking in word salads, talking about bizarre things like his preferred method of violent death etc. Trump is forgetting basic things like who is the current president, a common question in cognitive tests. And you haven't acknowledged or recognized any of Trump's errors, mis-steps, mistakes, word salads, slurred words etc. Or any of the legitimate reasons why he is unfit to ever hold office. But Lucy is right. This is pointless. You will most likely never acknowledge any of Trump's many faults. You will just keep defending him, regardless of what he says or does.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 17, 2024 4:07:59 GMT
No, you haven't. Acknowledging Biden mis-steps that you claim are mis-steps anyone could make when Biden makes them, but the exact same type show mental decline when applied to Trump is NOT acknowledging them. It's dishonest. No, the mistakes that Biden makes are not exactly the same as Trump. Trump is slurring words, rambling, incoherent, So is Biden. So is Biden. So is biden. While not the same, still a red flag for diminished mental faculties... standing trance like while holding an imaginary steering wheel? while looking off into the distance, away from Anderson Cooper, on stage while being asked questions by Anderson. BTW, Do you have proof that he said that? So is Biden, he kept calling it the Harris presidency, and he thinks he is running for senate. And he IS the president. Neither will you. But you continue to apply the standard that I can't talk about Biden without acknowledging Trump, while refusing to apply that standard to yourself towards talking about Trump. That's dishonest.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 17, 2024 5:57:17 GMT
No, the mistakes that Biden makes are not exactly the same as Trump. Trump is slurring words, rambling, incoherent, So is Biden. So is Biden. So is biden. While not the same, still a red flag for diminished mental faculties... standing trance like while holding an imaginary steering wheel? while looking off into the distance, away from Anderson Cooper, on stage while being asked questions by Anderson. BTW, Do you have proof that he said that? So is Biden, he kept calling it the Harris presidency, and he thinks he is running for senate. And he IS the president. Neither will you. But you continue to apply the standard that I can't talk about Biden without acknowledging Trump, while refusing to apply that standard to yourself towards talking about Trump. That's dishonest. All your little comparisons mean nothing. On his worst day President Biden is still a better President and a better man than dumpster don will ever be for this one reason. Your guy is hell bent on destroying this country. Tonight Rachel Maddow was on Alex Wagner and she summed it up nicely. “He "is promising to basically dismantle the American system of government." The institution that "bent the least, that has stood up the best, against his assault is the judicial branch of government. Is the rule of law. And we need to protect it" —@maddow”: Now as a true MAGA Gal you will not agree with this and that is your choice. It’s just too bad you refuse to see what is clearly in front of you and that is just how destructive the man is for the country. Yes I wish President Biden was younger but I have no problem voting for him in November. He is doing a good job. And if something should happen to him in his 2nd term then there is a qualified vice president to finish his term.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 17, 2024 10:46:17 GMT
More about Trump’s threats to withdraw from NATO and the implications, Republican complicity and Navalny’s death heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-16-2024People around the world have reason to wonder if the United States is committed to global leadership, she acknowledged. Americans, she said, must also ask themselves “[w]hether it is in America’s interest to continue to engage with the world or to turn inward. Whether it is in our interest to defend longstanding rules and norms that have provided for unprecedented peace and prosperity or to allow them to be trampled. Whether it is in America’s interest to fight for democracy or to accept the rise of dictators. And whether it is in America’s interest to continue to work in lockstep with our allies and partners or go it alone.” Harris spoke at least in part to people at home, saying that upholding international rules and democratic values “makes America strong, and it keeps Americans safe.” Isolating ourselves and embracing dictators while we “abandon commitments to our allies in favor of unilateral action” is “dangerous, destabilizing, and indeed short-sighted,” she said. “That view would weaken America and would undermine global stability and undermine global prosperity.” The Biden administration’s approach to global engagement is not “based on the virtues of charity,” Harris said, but rather is based on the nation’s strategic interest. “Our leadership keeps our homeland safe, supports American jobs, secures supply chains, and opens new markets for American goods. And I firmly believe,” she added, “our commitment to build and sustain alliances has helped America become the most powerful and prosperous country in the world—alliances that have prevented wars, defended freedom, and maintained stability from Europe to the Indo-Pacific. To put all of that at risk would be foolish.” Turning to the defense of Ukraine in the face of Russia’s invasion, she said: “we have joined forces with our friends and allies to stand up for freedom and democracy…. The world has come together, with leadership from the United States, to defend the basic principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity and to stop an imperialist authoritarian from subjugating a free and democratic people.” The European Union has recently committed $54 billion to support Ukraine in addition to “the more than $100 billion our European allies and partners have already dedicated,” she said, noting that that support makes it clear that Europe will stand with Ukraine. “I will make clear President Joe Biden and I stand with Ukraine,” Harris said. “In partnership with supportive, bipartisan majorities in both houses of the United States Congress, we will work to secure critical weapons and resources that Ukraine so badly needs. And let me be clear: The failure to do so would be a gift to Vladimir Putin.” “If we fail to impose severe consequences on Russia” for its invasion of Ukraine, she warned, “other authoritarians across the globe would be emboldened, because you see, they will be watching…and drawing lessons. “In these unsettled times, it is clear,” she said. “America cannot retreat. America must stand strong for democracy. We must stand in defense of international rules and norms, and we must stand with our allies.” “[T]he American people will meet this moment,” Vice President Harris said, “and America will continue to lead.” News that arrived just before Harris began to speak underscored her argument: Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny has died in a Russian prison a day after being recorded on video in court, seemingly healthy. Navalny’s crusade against Putin’s corruption had led Putin to try repeatedly to murder him, then finally in 2021 to imprison him on trumped-up charges. Navalny’s widow, Yulia Navalnaya, took the stage after Harris and vowed that Vladimir Putin and his allies “will be brought to justice, and this day will come soon.” Russian elections will be held next month, and while Putin is assumed to be the certain victor, his recent disqualification of Boris Nadezhdin, who was running on a platform that opposed the Ukraine war, suggests he is concerned about opposition. Eliminating Navalny at this moment sends a warning to other Russians that, as Anne Applebaum noted in a piece today in The Atlantic, courage in opposing Putin is pointless. In the U.S., Navalny’s apparent murder creates a political problem for Republicans. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson (R-LA) yesterday recessed the House for two weeks without taking up the national security supplemental bill that would support Ukraine in its fight against Russia, just as its supplies are running out. On Saturday, former president Trump told an audience he would encourage Russia to “do whatever the hell they want” to NATO countries that are not devoting 2% of their gross domestic product to building up their militaries. Meanwhile, former Fox News Channel personality Tucker Carlson has been in Moscow, interviewing Putin and favorably comparing Russia to the United States. On Monday, in Dubai, Egyptian journalist Emad El Din Adeeb asked Carlson why, when interviewing Putin, he “did not talk about Navalny, about assassinations, about restrictions on opposition in the coming elections.” Carlson replied by equating Russia and the U.S., saying: “Every leader kills people…. Some kill more than others. Leadership requires killing people.” The death of Navalny at just this moment appears to tie the Republicans to Putin’s murderous regime, and party leaders scrambled today to distance themselves from Putin. House speaker Mike Johnson, who has resisted passing aid to Ukraine and insisted the House would not be “rushed” into passing such a measure, released a statement saying that “as international leaders are meeting in Munich, we must be clear that Putin will be met with united opposition…. [T]he United States, and our partners, must be using every means available to cut off Putin’s ability to fund his unprovoked war in Ukraine and aggression against the Baltic states.” Republicans trying to carve out distance between themselves and Trump’s MAGA Republicans used the occasion to call out MAGAs, saying, as former vice president Mike Pence did, “There is no room in the Republican Party for apologists for Putin.” Senator Thom Tillis of North Carolina, who has pushed hard for Ukraine aid, wrote: “Putin is a murderous, paranoid dictator. History will not be kind to those in America who make apologies for Putin and praise Russian autocracy. Nor will history be kind to America’s leaders who stay silent because they fear backlash from online pundits.” Navalny attacked the Putin regime by calling attention to its extraordinary corruption, and somewhat fittingly, the corruption of former president Donald Trump, who won the White House with Putin’s help, was also on the docket today. In his 2022 documentary about Alexei Navalny, director Daniel Roher asked Navalny what message he would leave for the Russian people if he were killed. “Listen,” Navalny answered. “I’ve got something very obvious to tell you. You’re not allowed to give up. If they decide to kill me, it means that we are incredibly strong. We need to utilize this power to not give up, to remember we are a huge power that is being oppressed by these bad dudes. We don’t realize how strong we actually are.”
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 17, 2024 10:48:19 GMT
Regarding Trump’s fraud and corruption heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-16-2024Navalny attacked the Putin regime by calling attention to its extraordinary corruption, and somewhat fittingly, the corruption of former president Donald Trump, who won the White House with Putin’s help, was also on the docket today. In Manhattan, in the case concerning Trump and the Trump Organization’s manipulation of financial statements in order to get better loan terms and to pay fewer taxes, Justice Arthur Engoron ordered Trump and the Trump Organization to disgorge about $355 million in ill-gotten gains as well as more than $98 million in interest on that money from the time Trump obtained it through fraud. The total came to just under $454 million. Engoron also barred Trump from running a business or applying for a loan in New York for three years. The judge ordered Trump’s sons Donald Jr. and Eric to pay more than $4 million each and barred them from serving as officers or directors of any New York corporation or legal entity for two years. “[D]efendants submitted blatantly false financial data to…accountants,” Engoron wrote, “resulting in fraudulent financial statements. When confronted at trial with the statements, defendants’ fact and expert witnesses simply denied reality, and defendants failed to accept responsibility….” Engoron detailed the reluctance of the Trumps, including Ivanka, to tell the truth on the witness stand, and concluded: “Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological.” New York attorney general Letitia James, who brought the lawsuit, commented: “Donald Trump is finally facing accountability for his lying, cheating, and staggering fraud. Because no matter how big, rich, or powerful you think you are, no one is above the law.”
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 17, 2024 11:06:21 GMT
I’m not always a fan of Gavin Newsom, but I agree with him on this
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 17, 2024 11:16:31 GMT
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 17, 2024 18:52:05 GMT
No, you haven't. Acknowledging Biden mis-steps that you claim are mis-steps anyone could make when Biden makes them, but the exact same type show mental decline when applied to Trump is NOT acknowledging them. It's dishonest. No, the mistakes that Biden makes are not exactly the same as Trump. Trump is slurring words, rambling, incoherent, talking in word salads, talking about bizarre things like his preferred method of violent death etc. Trump is forgetting basic things like who is the current president, a common question in cognitive tests. And you haven't acknowledged or recognized any of Trump's errors, mis-steps, mistakes, word salads, slurred words etc. Or any of the legitimate reasons why he is unfit to ever hold office. But Lucy is right. This is pointless. You will most likely never acknowledge any of Trump's many faults. You will just keep defending him, regardless of what he says or does. When? Where? Link?
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Post by Merge on Feb 17, 2024 20:53:58 GMT
No, the mistakes that Biden makes are not exactly the same as Trump. Trump is slurring words, rambling, incoherent, talking in word salads, talking about bizarre things like his preferred method of violent death etc. Trump is forgetting basic things like who is the current president, a common question in cognitive tests. And you haven't acknowledged or recognized any of Trump's errors, mis-steps, mistakes, word salads, slurred words etc. Or any of the legitimate reasons why he is unfit to ever hold office. But Lucy is right. This is pointless. You will most likely never acknowledge any of Trump's many faults. You will just keep defending him, regardless of what he says or does. When? Where? Link? news.yahoo.com/trump-goes-bizarre-rant-preferred-155420964.html
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 17, 2024 21:25:21 GMT
Where's the video of him actually saying that? You know, complete with context and all. WHY did he bring it up? Where's that context? I'm sure he didn't just walk up there and start talking about a sinking boat, out of the blue. Where's the context?
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Post by Merge on Feb 17, 2024 21:40:12 GMT
Where's the video of him actually saying that? You know, complete with context and all. WHY did he bring it up? Where's that context? I'm sure he didn't just walk up there and start talking about a sinking boat, out of the blue. Where's the context? Gia, you know how Google works as well as I do. It was at a campaign event. x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1708587099706830853?s=46&t=5ZPLoWY3enez0Oe8WYfajwLet’s remember this post when you say I’m making it up that you carry water for white nationalists on this board, shall we?
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 17, 2024 22:02:27 GMT
Where's the video of him actually saying that? You know, complete with context and all. WHY did he bring it up? Where's that context? I'm sure he didn't just walk up there and start talking about a sinking boat, out of the blue. Where's the context? Gia, you know how Google works as well as I do. It was at a campaign event. x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1708587099706830853?s=46&t=5ZPLoWY3enez0Oe8WYfajwYeah, as you said, "you don't want to watch it" and see the truth for yourself, you just want to look at a 15 second clip, clipped in the middle of the story, devoid of the actual context, and let a headline do your thinking FOR you. Got it.👍 That wasn't at all what I said, but that's already been addressed elsewhere and it was shown that you actually DID make up what you said.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 17, 2024 22:10:19 GMT
Yeah, as you said, "you don't want to watch it" and see the truth for yourself, you just want to look at a 15 second clip, clipped in the middle of the story, devoid of the actual context, and let a headline do your thinking FOR you. Got it.👍 That wasn't at all what I said, but that's already been addressed elsewhere and it was shown that you actually DID make up what you said. And that was an obviously deceptive way to answer it. Here, where you can twist what I ACTUALLY said -in order to PRETEND I'm wrong- instead of answering it in the other thread, where you'd be faced with answering what I REALLY said.
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Post by Merge on Feb 17, 2024 22:55:21 GMT
Yeah, as you said, "you don't want to watch it" and see the truth for yourself, you just want to look at a 15 second clip, clipped in the middle of the story, devoid of the actual context, and let a headline do your thinking FOR you. Got it.👍 That wasn't at all what I said, but that's already been addressed elsewhere and it was shown that you actually DID make up what you said. No, Gia, no such thing was shown. Your delusions are not facts. 🙄 Actions speak louder than words. Your actions here - who you support or condemn, the ideas you protect - show us exactly who you are.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 17, 2024 22:59:31 GMT
Yeah, as you said, "you don't want to watch it" and see the truth for yourself, you just want to look at a 15 second clip, clipped in the middle of the story, devoid of the actual context, and let a headline do your thinking FOR you. Got it.👍
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Post by Merge on Feb 17, 2024 23:03:35 GMT
You’re showing us who you are again. The clip showed that he said what was claimed. There is no possible context where that was something a sane person would say in a stump speech. But keep defending the guy who spouts racist rhetoric every time he turns around and welcomes the support of white nationalist groups. We see you.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 17, 2024 23:11:46 GMT
I'm not sure why I'm bothering, it's pretty easy to find with a simple Google search. Also, I'm fairly certain you will have some explanation or excuse for Trump's bizarre ramblings. I have zero interest in watching his speech or engaging with you on it, so this will be my last post on his preferred method of violent death. If he were to die alone in the middle of the ocean, by electrocution or eaten by a shark, I would not miss him. www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UZePWtEnco&t=1030snewrepublic.com/post/175892/donald-trump-rant-violent-deathFormer President Donald Trump went on a bizarre rant on Sunday evening, ranking his preferred forms of violent death.
The Republican presidential candidate was speaking at a campaign event in Iowa on Sunday evening, when he randomly pitched the scenario of being stuck on a sinking battery-powered boat in the ocean. Getting into incredible detail, he claimed he would rather be electrocuted than eaten by a shark.
“I will take electrocution every single time,” he said, slurring his words. “Do we agree? I will take electrocution.”www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/02/donald-trump-electrocution-campaign-event-iowaFaced with a litany of criminal charges, Donald Trump on Sunday told a campaign rally in Iowa that he would prefer to die by electrocution rather than be eaten by a shark if he ever found himself on a rapidly sinking, electrically powered boat.
The former president and frontrunner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination delivered the bizarre remarks during a speech in the community of Ottumwa. He was pontificating over batteries for electric powered boats while recounting a conversation he claimed to have had with a boat manufacturer in South Carolina.
“If I’m sitting down and that boat is going down and I’m on top of a battery and the water starts flooding in, I’m getting concerned, but then I look 10 yards to my left and there’s a shark over there, so I have a choice of electrocution and a shark, you know what I’m going to take? Electrocution,” Trump said. “I will take electrocution every single time, do we agree?”
Trump then continued criticizing the prospect of any other sustainable energy technologies and claiming he would repeal the Joe Biden White House’s electric vehicle mandate.
“These people are crazy,” Trump said.www.axios.com/2023/10/04/trumps-words-turn-violent-pressure-buildsFormer President Trump's violent rhetoric — a staple of his political brand dating back to 2015 — has grown more extreme as the walls have begun to close in on his business empire, livelihood and personal freedom.
Why it matters: Since he left office, Trump's erratic behavior has been masked, numbed and normalized by the political fatigue permeating the media and the public. But his words' violent turn in recent weeks — calling for a U.S. military leader to be executed, mocking a potentially fatal assault on a congressional spouse, urging police to shoot shoplifters — suggest a line has been crossed. On Tuesday, Judge Arthur Engoron, who's presiding over Trump's civil fraud trial in New York, imposed a gag order on Trump after the defendant attacked Engoron's clerk online and posted a link to her Instagram account — while sitting in the same courtroom as her. Zoom in: Political scientist Brian Klaas has coined it "the banality of crazy," arguing that the press has wrongfully elevated concerns about President Biden's age and frequent gaffes while downplaying Trump's extremism.
Much of the public may not be aware of Trump's darkening rhetoric, Klaas writes, but "the people most likely to be radicalized by him or to act on his incitement already hear him, loud and clear." "Maybe, just maybe, it would be better for all of us if they knew about the other insane, dangerous rhetoric he spews on a daily basis," Klaas says. In speeches, interviews and on social media in recent weeks, Trump:
Said former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Mark Milley committed "treason" and suggested he be executed. Called for Judge Engoron to be disbarred, thrown out of office and criminally prosecuted, in addition to attacking the judge's clerk. Labeled New York Attorney General Letitia James — who's suing Trump for fraudulently inflating his wealth and assets on financial records — a "racist" and "a monster." Said special counsel Jack Smith — who's prosecuting Trump in the Jan. 6 and classified documents cases — is "deranged" and a "psycho" who "looks like a crackhead." Posted online, "IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I'M COMING AFTER YOU!" — one day after swearing in federal court that he would not intimidate witnesses in the election interference case. Mocked Paul Pelosi after he was brutally assaulted by a home intruder who was searching for Pelosi's wife, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) Called for police to shoot shoplifters on sight. Said migrants illegally crossing into the U.S. are "poisoning the blood of our country." Between the lines: Mainstream media rarely carry Trump's campaign speeches live anymore, so many Americans likely missed out on his expletive-laden impersonation of President Biden and his rambling musings last week about preferring death by electrocution to being eaten by a shark.
Trump's migration from Twitter to Truth Social also has shrouded his daily broadsides from mainstream view, as well as his routine elevation of users that traffic in QAnon conspiracy theories or white nationalism.
Elected Republicans rarely are asked or feel compelled to answer for Trump's extremism, offering tried-and-true excuses such as, "I didn't see it," or "It's just Trump being Trump." Trump's team did not respond to a request for comment.
Zoom in: The normalization of political violence — or at least the threat of it — has been one of the most jarring and lasting impacts of Trump's dominance of the GOP, especially in the wake of his four indictments this year.
Between April and June, the percentage of Americans who agreed that "the use of force is justified to restore Donald Trump to the presidency" increased from 4.5% to 7%, according to the Chicago Project on Security and Threats. Threats to FBI personnel have risen more than 300% since agents executed a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago in August, according to the New York Times. Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), a prominent Trump critic in the GOP, revealed recently that he paid $5,000 a day for private security for his family after Jan. 6: "It only takes one really disturbed person," he told The Atlantic. The bottom line: Trump's courtroom debut this week provided a glimpse of whether he would tone down his rhetoric once his trials began. The early verdict is a resounding no.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 17, 2024 23:19:20 GMT
I'm not sure why I'm bothering, I'm sure you will have some explanation for Trump's bizarre ramblings. Or why I'm bothering to post when its pretty easy too find with a simple Google search. newrepublic.com/post/175892/donald-trump-rant-violent-deathFormer President Donald Trump went on a bizarre rant on Sunday evening, ranking his preferred forms of violent death.
The Republican presidential candidate was speaking at a campaign event in Iowa on Sunday evening, when he randomly pitched the scenario of being stuck on a sinking battery-powered boat in the ocean. Getting into incredible detail, he claimed he would rather be electrocuted than eaten by a shark.
“I will take electrocution every single time,” he said, slurring his words. “Do we agree? I will take electrocution.”www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/02/donald-trump-electrocution-campaign-event-iowaFaced with a litany of criminal charges, Donald Trump on Sunday told a campaign rally in Iowa that he would prefer to die by electrocution rather than be eaten by a shark if he ever found himself on a rapidly sinking, electrically powered boat.
The former president and frontrunner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination delivered the bizarre remarks during a speech in the community of Ottumwa. He was pontificating over batteries for electric powered boats while recounting a conversation he claimed to have had with a boat manufacturer in South Carolina.
“If I’m sitting down and that boat is going down and I’m on top of a battery and the water starts flooding in, I’m getting concerned, but then I look 10 yards to my left and there’s a shark over there, so I have a choice of electrocution and a shark, you know what I’m going to take? Electrocution,” Trump said. “I will take electrocution every single time, do we agree?”
Trump then continued criticizing the prospect of any other sustainable energy technologies and claiming he would repeal the Joe Biden White House’s electric vehicle mandate.
“These people are crazy,” Trump said.www.axios.com/2023/10/04/trumps-words-turn-violent-pressure-buildsFormer President Trump's violent rhetoric — a staple of his political brand dating back to 2015 — has grown more extreme as the walls have begun to close in on his business empire, livelihood and personal freedom.
Why it matters: Since he left office, Trump's erratic behavior has been masked, numbed and normalized by the political fatigue permeating the media and the public. But his words' violent turn in recent weeks — calling for a U.S. military leader to be executed, mocking a potentially fatal assault on a congressional spouse, urging police to shoot shoplifters — suggest a line has been crossed. On Tuesday, Judge Arthur Engoron, who's presiding over Trump's civil fraud trial in New York, imposed a gag order on Trump after the defendant attacked Engoron's clerk online and posted a link to her Instagram account — while sitting in the same courtroom as her. Zoom in: Political scientist Brian Klaas has coined it "the banality of crazy," arguing that the press has wrongfully elevated concerns about President Biden's age and frequent gaffes while downplaying Trump's extremism.
Much of the public may not be aware of Trump's darkening rhetoric, Klaas writes, but "the people most likely to be radicalized by him or to act on his incitement already hear him, loud and clear." "Maybe, just maybe, it would be better for all of us if they knew about the other insane, dangerous rhetoric he spews on a daily basis," Klaas says. In speeches, interviews and on social media in recent weeks, Trump:
Said former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Mark Milley committed "treason" and suggested he be executed. Called for Judge Engoron to be disbarred, thrown out of office and criminally prosecuted, in addition to attacking the judge's clerk. Labeled New York Attorney General Letitia James — who's suing Trump for fraudulently inflating his wealth and assets on financial records — a "racist" and "a monster." Said special counsel Jack Smith — who's prosecuting Trump in the Jan. 6 and classified documents cases — is "deranged" and a "psycho" who "looks like a crackhead." Posted online, "IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I'M COMING AFTER YOU!" — one day after swearing in federal court that he would not intimidate witnesses in the election interference case. Mocked Paul Pelosi after he was brutally assaulted by a home intruder who was searching for Pelosi's wife, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) Called for police to shoot shoplifters on sight. Said migrants illegally crossing into the U.S. are "poisoning the blood of our country." Between the lines: Mainstream media rarely carry Trump's campaign speeches live anymore, so many Americans likely missed out on his expletive-laden impersonation of President Biden and his rambling musings last week about preferring death by electrocution to being eaten by a shark.
Trump's migration from Twitter to Truth Social also has shrouded his daily broadsides from mainstream view, as well as his routine elevation of users that traffic in QAnon conspiracy theories or white nationalism.
Elected Republicans rarely are asked or feel compelled to answer for Trump's extremism, offering tried-and-true excuses such as, "I didn't see it," or "It's just Trump being Trump." Trump's team did not respond to a request for comment.
Zoom in: The normalization of political violence — or at least the threat of it — has been one of the most jarring and lasting impacts of Trump's dominance of the GOP, especially in the wake of his four indictments this year.
Between April and June, the percentage of Americans who agreed that "the use of force is justified to restore Donald Trump to the presidency" increased from 4.5% to 7%, according to the Chicago Project on Security and Threats. Threats to FBI personnel have risen more than 300% since agents executed a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago in August, according to the New York Times. Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), a prominent Trump critic in the GOP, revealed recently that he paid $5,000 a day for private security for his family after Jan. 6: "It only takes one really disturbed person," he told The Atlantic. The bottom line: Trump's courtroom debut this week provided a glimpse of whether he would tone down his rhetoric once his trials began. The early verdict is a resounding no.Ah, context. We love context; although there is no doubt some “reasonable” explanation for deciding that electrocution is preferable to being eaten by a shark. I mean, who among us hasn’t weighed in on this very important topic? And it’s a totally normal campaign riff. Right? 👀 🥴
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 17, 2024 23:25:58 GMT
I'm not sure why I'm bothering, I'm sure you will have some explanation for Trump's bizarre ramblings. Or why I'm bothering to post when its pretty easy too find with a simple Google search. newrepublic.com/post/175892/donald-trump-rant-violent-deathFormer President Donald Trump went on a bizarre rant on Sunday evening, ranking his preferred forms of violent death.
The Republican presidential candidate was speaking at a campaign event in Iowa on Sunday evening, when he randomly pitched the scenario of being stuck on a sinking battery-powered boat in the ocean. Getting into incredible detail, he claimed he would rather be electrocuted than eaten by a shark.
“I will take electrocution every single time,” he said, slurring his words. “Do we agree? I will take electrocution.”www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/02/donald-trump-electrocution-campaign-event-iowaFaced with a litany of criminal charges, Donald Trump on Sunday told a campaign rally in Iowa that he would prefer to die by electrocution rather than be eaten by a shark if he ever found himself on a rapidly sinking, electrically powered boat.
The former president and frontrunner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination delivered the bizarre remarks during a speech in the community of Ottumwa. He was pontificating over batteries for electric powered boats while recounting a conversation he claimed to have had with a boat manufacturer in South Carolina.
“If I’m sitting down and that boat is going down and I’m on top of a battery and the water starts flooding in, I’m getting concerned, but then I look 10 yards to my left and there’s a shark over there, so I have a choice of electrocution and a shark, you know what I’m going to take? Electrocution,” Trump said. “I will take electrocution every single time, do we agree?”
Trump then continued criticizing the prospect of any other sustainable energy technologies and claiming he would repeal the Joe Biden White House’s electric vehicle mandate.
“These people are crazy,” Trump said.www.axios.com/2023/10/04/trumps-words-turn-violent-pressure-buildsFormer President Trump's violent rhetoric — a staple of his political brand dating back to 2015 — has grown more extreme as the walls have begun to close in on his business empire, livelihood and personal freedom.
Why it matters: Since he left office, Trump's erratic behavior has been masked, numbed and normalized by the political fatigue permeating the media and the public. But his words' violent turn in recent weeks — calling for a U.S. military leader to be executed, mocking a potentially fatal assault on a congressional spouse, urging police to shoot shoplifters — suggest a line has been crossed. On Tuesday, Judge Arthur Engoron, who's presiding over Trump's civil fraud trial in New York, imposed a gag order on Trump after the defendant attacked Engoron's clerk online and posted a link to her Instagram account — while sitting in the same courtroom as her. Zoom in: Political scientist Brian Klaas has coined it "the banality of crazy," arguing that the press has wrongfully elevated concerns about President Biden's age and frequent gaffes while downplaying Trump's extremism.
Much of the public may not be aware of Trump's darkening rhetoric, Klaas writes, but "the people most likely to be radicalized by him or to act on his incitement already hear him, loud and clear." "Maybe, just maybe, it would be better for all of us if they knew about the other insane, dangerous rhetoric he spews on a daily basis," Klaas says. In speeches, interviews and on social media in recent weeks, Trump:
Said former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Mark Milley committed "treason" and suggested he be executed. Called for Judge Engoron to be disbarred, thrown out of office and criminally prosecuted, in addition to attacking the judge's clerk. Labeled New York Attorney General Letitia James — who's suing Trump for fraudulently inflating his wealth and assets on financial records — a "racist" and "a monster." Said special counsel Jack Smith — who's prosecuting Trump in the Jan. 6 and classified documents cases — is "deranged" and a "psycho" who "looks like a crackhead." Posted online, "IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I'M COMING AFTER YOU!" — one day after swearing in federal court that he would not intimidate witnesses in the election interference case. Mocked Paul Pelosi after he was brutally assaulted by a home intruder who was searching for Pelosi's wife, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) Called for police to shoot shoplifters on sight. Said migrants illegally crossing into the U.S. are "poisoning the blood of our country." Between the lines: Mainstream media rarely carry Trump's campaign speeches live anymore, so many Americans likely missed out on his expletive-laden impersonation of President Biden and his rambling musings last week about preferring death by electrocution to being eaten by a shark.
Trump's migration from Twitter to Truth Social also has shrouded his daily broadsides from mainstream view, as well as his routine elevation of users that traffic in QAnon conspiracy theories or white nationalism.
Elected Republicans rarely are asked or feel compelled to answer for Trump's extremism, offering tried-and-true excuses such as, "I didn't see it," or "It's just Trump being Trump." Trump's team did not respond to a request for comment.
Zoom in: The normalization of political violence — or at least the threat of it — has been one of the most jarring and lasting impacts of Trump's dominance of the GOP, especially in the wake of his four indictments this year.
Between April and June, the percentage of Americans who agreed that "the use of force is justified to restore Donald Trump to the presidency" increased from 4.5% to 7%, according to the Chicago Project on Security and Threats. Threats to FBI personnel have risen more than 300% since agents executed a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago in August, according to the New York Times. Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), a prominent Trump critic in the GOP, revealed recently that he paid $5,000 a day for private security for his family after Jan. 6: "It only takes one really disturbed person," he told The Atlantic. The bottom line: Trump's courtroom debut this week provided a glimpse of whether he would tone down his rhetoric once his trials began. The early verdict is a resounding no.Ah, context. We love context; although there is no doubt some “reasonable” explanation for deciding that electrocution is preferable to being eaten by a shark. I mean, who among us hasn’t weighed in on this very important topic? And it’s a totally normal campaign riff. Right? 👀 🥴 Exactly. I'm sure the voters in Iowa really wanted to know. I'm sure it's relevant to their lives and something important to them.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 18, 2024 0:01:23 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 18, 2024 0:11:50 GMT
This is like his bizarre claim that they will change the name of Pennsylvania if he loses. NY voted for Biden by a wide margin of 2 million votes. Most NYers are probably cheering the verdict.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 18, 2024 0:13:17 GMT
You’re showing us who you are again. The clip showed that he said what was claimed. You're showing us who YOU are. As you said, "you don't want to watch it" and see the truth for yourself. You just want to look at a 15 second clip, clipped in the MIDDLE of the story, devoid of the actual context, and let a headline do your thinking FOR you. He was talking about environmental awareness, electric vehicles, and telling a story about a conversation he had with a boat manufacturer in South Carolina. Possible. Sane. He didn't just walk up to the podium and start talking about ways he'd rather die -as your headlines are telling you to think that he did. With you repeating those headlines, without an ounce of critical thinking on your own. That's completely sane. 🙄
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 18, 2024 0:17:40 GMT
I don't know what world you're living in but to go from talking about electric vehicles to being stranded alone in then middle of the ocean, death by electrocution and being eaten by sharks and which violent death you would prefer is not normal at a campaign rally. I can almost certainly guarantee that no other candidate, Democrat or Republican, has ever talked about it.
eta - I know I said I wouldn't post again but the assertion that Trump's bizarre ramblings are normal is ridiculous.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 18, 2024 0:32:16 GMT
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 18, 2024 0:35:56 GMT
I don't know what world you're living in but to go from talking about electric vehicles to being stranded alone in then middle of the ocean, death by electrocution and being eaten by sharks and which violent death you would prefer is not normal at a campaign rally. I can almost certainly guarantee that no other candidate, Democrat or Republican, has ever talked about it. eta - I know I said I wouldn't post again but the assertion that Trump's bizarre ramblings are normal is ridiculous. It was an entire flow. From being environmentally responsible, to electric vehicles, to electric vehicle batteries, to the reliability of the charge of those batteries, to talking to a boat manufacturer about their batteries and telling a story. Telling a story and being entertaining is important in a political rally. To take a 15 second clip -clipped in the middle of the story- and parrot the headline like he just walked up to the podium and started talking about would he rather die this way or that way, is what's bizarre.
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Post by Merge on Feb 18, 2024 0:36:21 GMT
You’re showing us who you are again. The clip showed that he said what was claimed. You're showing us who YOU are. As you said, "you don't want to watch it" and see the truth for yourself. You just want to look at a 15 second clip, clipped in the MIDDLE of the story, devoid of the actual context, and let a headline do your thinking FOR you. He was talking about environmental awareness, electric vehicles, and telling a story about a conversation he had with a boat manufacturer in South Carolina. Possible. Sane. He didn't just walk up to the podium and start talking about ways he'd rather die -as your headlines are telling you to think that he did. With you repeating those headlines, without an ounce of critical thinking on your own. That's completely sane. 🙄 No one said he just walked up and started talking about it. Now who’s making shit up? 🙄 It’s still not something a sane person would talk about in a speech, but since you’re his target audience, you and he probably find it just fine. I choose not to listen to the world’s stupidest narcissist ramble on because everyone who listens to him is stupider for having done so. I don’t believe he has anything of value to say. Why would any sane person listen to that? Again, the context in no way improves what he said, and I told you that without having to listen to it. Regardless, we all see you as a person who is willing to go to bat for a guy who told white nationalist militias they were “very special” after they had stormed the capitol and tried to overturn the election on his behalf. We see you. You can’t deny who you are.
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