Bridget in MD
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Post by Bridget in MD on Apr 23, 2024 13:18:13 GMT
I’m still curious how the Chinese law comes into play with this if the data is stored in the US. I’m not really sure what the answer is in terms of banning/not banning. I enjoy social media but lately I’ve been wondering if it had brought more harm than good to society. Anyone and everyone can come across like they know what they are talking about and people have a hard time knowing who to listen to and who not to. On instagram that happens more in the comment section but on tik tok those people also have more of a platform themselves. I’m concerned with the potential influence of the Chinese government but if that is addressed with the date storage issue, I’m ok with that. I have a feeling that isn’t the case, though. I believe that's why they moved it... they do not have rights to the data since it is owned and monitored by the US. Just like we wouldn't have any rights or access to the data if they were hosting it. Social media is a blessing and a curse. It is the wild west - it developed without rules and regulations, and now its kinda hard to put the horse back into the barn. Yesterday I experienced the best of both worlds. A friend I went to college with messaged me through FB. She lives in No. Virginia area, and I am in So. Maryland. Her son's high school is playing my son's high school and she wondered how far away I live from the school, bc she will be here to watch the game. I immediately texted that I'm 10 min away and I would TOTALLY come visit with her. It's probably been 25 years since we've seen each other. She and I have been at lacrosse tournaments, only to find out we were at the there at the same time but didn't know it. We had no idea and she wouldnt know my kid's HS if it hadn't been for FB, I am sure. Also, yesterday, I saw a creator on TT get such vile and disgusting comments, she was responding to those comments - she said she had thick skin, but there are teens on this app who may not. What was the reason for this vitrol? Apparently she didn't love the new Taylor swift album and she filmed herself reacting to it. People were telling her she was ugly, she should kill herself, etc. I gasped when I saw the comments. I also saw that some news outlets are publishing reviews of the album without the name of the author giving the review, bc last time this happened, the Swifties completely attacked that person - death threats and everything. I do not get it. It's keyboard courage and it's passion, but holy shit! it was just someone's OPINION....! But honestly, it is also gang mentality, and I feel like you see it in the schools just as much as you see it on SM. |
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Apr 23, 2024 13:39:18 GMT
I would give up Facebook any day of the week, before giving up TikTok. Same. I'd give up FB and IG before I give up TT. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 23, 2024 13:47:45 GMT
I’m still curious how the Chinese law comes into play with this if the data is stored in the US. I’m not really sure what the answer is in terms of banning/not banning. I enjoy social media but lately I’ve been wondering if it had brought more harm than good to society. Anyone and everyone can come across like they know what they are talking about and people have a hard time knowing who to listen to and who not to. On instagram that happens more in the comment section but on tik tok those people also have more of a platform themselves. I’m concerned with the potential influence of the Chinese government but if that is addressed with the date storage issue, I’m ok with that. I have a feeling that isn’t the case, though. I believe that's why they moved it... they do not have rights to the data since it is owned and monitored by the US. Just like we wouldn't have any rights or access to the data if they were hosting it. Social media is a blessing and a curse. It is the wild west - it developed without rules and regulations, and now its kinda hard to put the horse back into the barn. Yesterday I experienced the best of both worlds. A friend I went to college with messaged me through FB. She lives in No. Virginia area, and I am in So. Maryland. Her son's high school is playing my son's high school and she wondered how far away I live from the school, bc she will be here to watch the game. I immediately texted that I'm 10 min away and I would TOTALLY come visit with her. It's probably been 25 years since we've seen each other. She and I have been at lacrosse tournaments, only to find out we were at the there at the same time but didn't know it. We had no idea and she wouldnt know my kid's HS if it hadn't been for FB, I am sure. Also, yesterday, I saw a creator on TT get such vile and disgusting comments, she was responding to those comments - she said she had thick skin, but there are teens on this app who may not. What was the reason for this vitrol? Apparently she didn't love the new Taylor swift album and she filmed herself reacting to it. People were telling her she was ugly, she should kill herself, etc. I gasped when I saw the comments. I also saw that some news outlets are publishing reviews of the album without the name of the author giving the review, bc last time this happened, the Swifties completely attacked that person - death threats and everything. I do not get it. It's keyboard courage and it's passion, but holy shit! it was just someone's OPINION....! But honestly, it is also gang mentality, and I feel like you see it in the schools just as much as you see it on SM. I completely agree that there are two sides of social media and it's influences on society. I've seen a lot more nasty comments on Instagram in recent months as well and I just have to wonder what makes people think it's ok to say those things to people? Even if they don't care if they are being rude and mean to someone else, don't they realize that what is said stays on the internet? People they know may see their comments. I've even seen people who have their business listed on their profile make nasty comments. You would think the fact that others they know may see their posts would be another safeguard against nasty comments but it doesn't seem to bother many people. |
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Post by mom on Apr 23, 2024 15:17:48 GMT
I’m still curious how the Chinese law comes into play with this if the data is stored in the US. I’m not really sure what the answer is in terms of banning/not banning. I enjoy social media but lately I’ve been wondering if it had brought more harm than good to society. Anyone and everyone can come across like they know what they are talking about and people have a hard time knowing who to listen to and who not to. On instagram that happens more in the comment section but on tik tok those people also have more of a platform themselves. I’m concerned with the potential influence of the Chinese government but if that is addressed with the date storage issue, I’m ok with that. I have a feeling that isn’t the case, though. Serious question - do you really trust the US government to be the one to decide who can/cant give information? Even if I supported the President, I would not trust any government with that much power. At some point, a person has to use common sense, do their own research and be responsible for what they are choosing to take in (and yes, just because people have a platform to talk about certain things doesn't mean you have to choose to partake it). Giving any government that much power is a very, very slippery slope and a slope that will be hard to come back from should we willingly slide down it. And yes, I agree, social media has brought more harm, overall, to society. But that cat is out of the bag and it will always be here now. |
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Post by mom on Apr 23, 2024 15:19:14 GMT
I’m still curious how the Chinese law comes into play with this if the data is stored in the US. I’m not really sure what the answer is in terms of banning/not banning. I enjoy social media but lately I’ve been wondering if it had brought more harm than good to society. Anyone and everyone can come across like they know what they are talking about and people have a hard time knowing who to listen to and who not to. On instagram that happens more in the comment section but on tik tok those people also have more of a platform themselves. I’m concerned with the potential influence of the Chinese government but if that is addressed with the date storage issue, I’m ok with that. I have a feeling that isn’t the case, though.
Social media is a blessing and a curse. It is the wild west - it developed without rules and regulations, and now its kinda hard to put the horse back into the barn. Yesterday I experienced the best of both worlds. A friend I went to college with messaged me through FB. She lives in No. Virginia area, and I am in So. Maryland. Her son's high school is playing my son's high school and she wondered how far away I live from the school, bc she will be here to watch the game. I immediately texted that I'm 10 min away and I would TOTALLY come visit with her. It's probably been 25 years since we've seen each other. She and I have been at lacrosse tournaments, only to find out we were at the there at the same time but didn't know it. We had no idea and she wouldnt know my kid's HS if it hadn't been for FB, I am sure. Also, yesterday, I saw a creator on TT get such vile and disgusting comments, she was responding to those comments - she said she had thick skin, but there are teens on this app who may not. What was the reason for this vitrol? Apparently she didn't love the new Taylor swift album and she filmed herself reacting to it. People were telling her she was ugly, she should kill herself, etc. I gasped when I saw the comments. I also saw that some news outlets are publishing reviews of the album without the name of the author giving the review, bc last time this happened, the Swifties completely attacked that person - death threats and everything. I do not get it. It's keyboard courage and it's passion, but holy shit! it was just someone's OPINION....! But honestly, it is also gang mentality, and I feel like you see it in the schools just as much as you see it on SM. You are correct --- that is why they moved it and have set up safeguards so that protections are in place. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 23, 2024 15:19:33 GMT
I’m still curious how the Chinese law comes into play with this if the data is stored in the US. I’m not really sure what the answer is in terms of banning/not banning. I enjoy social media but lately I’ve been wondering if it had brought more harm than good to society. Anyone and everyone can come across like they know what they are talking about and people have a hard time knowing who to listen to and who not to. On instagram that happens more in the comment section but on tik tok those people also have more of a platform themselves. I’m concerned with the potential influence of the Chinese government but if that is addressed with the date storage issue, I’m ok with that. I have a feeling that isn’t the case, though. Serious question - do you really trust the US government to be the one to decide who can/cant give information? Even if I supported the President, I would not trust any government with that much power. At some point, a person has to use common sense, do their own research and be responsible for what they are choosing to take in (and yes, just because people have a platform to talk about certain things doesn't mean you have to choose to partake it). Giving any government that much power is a very, very slippery slope and a slope that will be hard to come back from should we willingly slide down it. And yes, I agree, social media has brought more harm, overall, to society. But that cat is out of the bag and it will always be here now. I'm not aware of any US law that mandates that companies have to give that type of information to the government if they request it. But it does sound like you are ok with the Chinese government having that power, correct? Again, I want to know exactly what it means and doesn't mean that they moved the data storage to the US. The company is still owned by Bytedance, which has to abide by the Chinese law. |
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Post by mom on Apr 23, 2024 15:26:45 GMT
Serious question - do you really trust the US government to be the one to decide who can/cant give information? Even if I supported the President, I would not trust any government with that much power. At some point, a person has to use common sense, do their own research and be responsible for what they are choosing to take in (and yes, just because people have a platform to talk about certain things doesn't mean you have to choose to partake it). Giving any government that much power is a very, very slippery slope and a slope that will be hard to come back from should we willingly slide down it. And yes, I agree, social media has brought more harm, overall, to society. But that cat is out of the bag and it will always be here now. I'm not aware of any US law that mandates that companies have to give that type of information to the government if they request it. But it does sound like you are ok with the Chinese government having that power, correct? Project Texas has been designed to prevent that from happening. That the personal information have TT collects would not be touchable by the Chinese Government. |
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Post by mom on Apr 23, 2024 22:47:53 GMT
I was thinking about this thread while waiting to get a strep test.
For an app that is supposedly bad for our country, why are there so many Represenatives and Senators with verified accounts on there? If the intelligence that they have seen (but not shared with the public) is so horrible, you'd think they'd delete their account. Just they aren't. Rep. Omar posted to her account just yesterday. This ban really feels like 'do as I say, not as I do'.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Apr 23, 2024 23:23:10 GMT
It's not about selling user information (and the government has gone after Meta and other platforms plenty for various things) - it's about the risk of Chinese state access to user information, the ability to shape narratives and misinformation, and the potential to put malicious code in the app. ByteDance only needs to divest from its US holdings; the rest can go on as-is. It doesn't feel this way to me. I feel like Meta has lined the pockets of politicians, so they aren't really all that worried about my data. Come on. Also, it's funny that China is invested in so much of the US besides TT - they own a stake in our housing industry and own land here, they are invested in our healthcare, our food & water supply, our natural resources, our technology, our finances... everything that is essential for every day life and ALL that is with the blessing of our govt. So why is this app, and THIS technology such an emergency? IMO it is bc our govt sees it as a threat to keeping us in the dark. Tons of people get news and info, and share ideas on TT. They aren't worried about misinformation spread on our news sources on TV or in print! Nope, just on TT. Our govt -instead of promoting the coming together to share ideas and benefit many together - is trying to keep us scattered.
Yes, China owning our land and being invested in these things should really make people stop and think. They now own our farmland and land near some of our bases? That is just crazy to me.
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Post by smasonnc on Apr 24, 2024 0:20:28 GMT
I have spent a lot of time in China and with the Chinese people to know that most of what comes out of China should not be trusted and this Tik Tok bs is just another thing that should not be trusted at all. I lived in Hong Kong and I don't trust the Chinese government at all. To do business in China, the CCP makes demands and companies cave because the market is so large and lucrative. The main goal of the Chinese government is to be the world's largest economy and to defeat the USA for dominance. I don't think it's a conspiracy theory at all after all I saw over there. They're up to something shady. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Apr 24, 2024 15:43:40 GMT
Tucked into the measure is a provision that gives TikTok's Beijing-based parent company, ByteDance, nine months to sell it or face a nationwide prohibition in the United States. The president can grant a one-time extension of 90 days, bringing the timeline to sell to one year, if he certifies that there's a path to divestiture and "significant progress" toward executing it.
The administration and a bipartisan group of lawmakers have called the social media site a growing national security concern.
TikTok said will wage a legal challenge against what it called an "unconstitutional" effort by Congress.
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Post by katlady on Apr 24, 2024 17:58:02 GMT
Well, Biden signed the bill. TT now has 9 months to divest. It will probably be longer than that for anything to happen if TT goes ahead and challenges the decision in the court system, which they will. TT has too much $$$ to lose if they are banned in the US, and I doubt they will divest.
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Bridget in MD
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Post by Bridget in MD on Apr 24, 2024 18:01:47 GMT
very disappointing, but not unexpected. I expect to see a bunch of lawsuits now.
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Post by mom on Apr 24, 2024 18:13:22 GMT
Well, Biden signed the bill. TT now has 9 months to divest. It will probably be longer than that for anything to happen if TT goes ahead and challenges the decision in the court system, which they will. TT has too much $$$ to lose if they are banned in the US, and I doubt they will divest. Yeah, Im getting comfy waiting for the lawsuits to start. |
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Post by katlady on Apr 25, 2024 18:10:09 GMT
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Post by mom on Apr 25, 2024 20:13:09 GMT
1. I think it's quite possible they would win in court. So walk away without selling could be irrelevant. 2. I've read TT only has like 6% of daily views from the US -- but 1/4 of its revenue comes from us. I don't think they would give it up willingly. It's a bluff. |
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